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#994517 - 02/09/14 11:22 PM 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap  
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I hope this is in the correct section. I will be starting the tear down process. I'm not sure if the members here want to see those pics, since many here have done them multiple times.

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-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#994522 - 02/09/14 11:55 PM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Yes, sir post away with lots of pics. Im sure it will also allow us to better help you if you have any questions along the way.

#994524 - 02/10/14 12:12 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Let's see them and good luck along the way!


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#994552 - 02/10/14 02:37 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Post away. Always like to see projects come along and see the progress and work.


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#994582 - 02/10/14 05:55 PM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Post away. I'm sure I'll learn a thing or 2.:)



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#994981 - 02/15/14 12:39 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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I'm planning on starting tomorrow. Does anyone have a preference as where to start?

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-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#995092 - 02/16/14 03:48 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Well since no one chimed in with their opinion, I decided to start with draining the radiator.







The radiator out of the car...just 13 months ago, I replaced the radiator, water pump, fan belts and fan clutch.












About to separate the heater core hose from the water pump



Disconnected Accelerator cable and Power booster vacuum hose.




Lastly, unbolted the engine ground strap.




Last edited by jmireles; 02/16/14 03:48 AM.

-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#995099 - 02/16/14 04:38 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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I would remove the hood, fenders and nose piece so its out of the way and you have alot more access and you can clean up everything once engine is out. Good start though keep us posted.


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#995167 - 02/17/14 12:22 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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I may yet remove those.


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#995203 - 02/17/14 07:44 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Here's a bit of an update:

I worked all day and just finished up today's work about half hour ago! I guess I work a bit slow, but at least I know everything is being done correctly. Plus, labeling all of the disconnected wires and hoses takes time. smile



Care for a sip? LOL!




Not looking forward to spending several hours underneath the car.







Decided to empty the engine oil and some of the tranny oil.







Separating the Cat from the rest of the system.





Dropping the Y-pipe






Headers are a pain the butt!!







Does anyone know what this tan color vacuum hose goes to? It T's into the Cruise control.




Are there replacement plastic "inserts" for the tranny shifter bracket? Also can this shifter bracket be used with the 4L60e?




Tranny wiring harness has seen better days!


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Motor mount bolts look great.


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Can't say the same for the motor mounts!

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With any luck I'll have the engine/tranny out tomorrow....goodnight fellas I'm beat!


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#995208 - 02/17/14 12:46 PM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Yes you can get replacement bushings for the shift linkage but someone else will have to chime in about using it with the new trans. Keep up the good work, looks like you are making nice progress.


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#995246 - 02/17/14 08:23 PM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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As far as the tan vac hose, without seeing the entire area under the hood, do you have a vacuum ball and are the hoses connected to it? Possibly goes there.
My Cruise vacuum lines do not have that tee there.

#995622 - 02/21/14 01:51 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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I haven't done too much these last few days. I've been layed up with a nasty cold. Today is the first day in about 5 days that I have felt good. Hoping to pull the motor this weekend.


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#995807 - 02/23/14 06:56 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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An update:


I finally managed to pull the engine and tranny out. I took a few pics but when I tried to post them, MonteCarloSS.com kept logging off. I logged on several times but no luck...kept getting kicked out. I can however, post messages on my phone.

Maybe tomorrow I'll have better luck.


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#995857 - 02/23/14 09:44 PM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Here are a few pics that I took last night...


In 214K miles, the car only quit on me once...charred ignition coil wire. A bit blurry, sorry.




Lots of clean up ahead...








Now for your input.
1. I'm planning on rebuilding the front suspension.
2. New seals on the steering geer.
3. Buying a Grand National AC condenser.
4. Replacing evaporator and Resealing HVAC box.

What order should this be done?
How do I start sorting the harness? i.e. the wires I'll need to keep and clean up and the ones to separate.


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#997275 - 03/14/14 02:11 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Awesome build so far, I think you are doing it all in the right order. I would tear down the suspension, clean, degrease and paint the frame and firewall after the hvac box reseal. Then I would replace the motor mounts while the spring and shock is out of the way then re assemble it all. The nose, hood and fenders would come off for a thorough cleaning then I would black out the whole engine compartment, inner fenders included

Last edited by JAWSS; 03/14/14 02:12 AM.


86 Monte Carlo SS T-top
69 Cutlass S Convertible
70 Chevelle Malibu (Second owner, grandma car)
12 Cadillac CTS-V Wagon
#997414 - 03/15/14 04:32 PM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Thanks Jawss, I've starting the suspension tear down to ease in cleaning....not to mention replacing all of the suspension parts. MOOG is expensive! I already bought the control arm bushings but that's about it. I also purchased boneyard S10 blazer spindles, hub, calipers and rotors...al for $125!

Here's a few pics of yesterday's work:

About to drain the caliper and master cylinder.




Removed the sway bar stabilizer link. You can see the shock absorber on the ground as well.




Tie rod end separated...a couple of whacks with a tie rod end separator was all that I needed. The upper ball joint was a totally different story! Lol!




I used a wire brush, then a wire brush bit with my hand drill to remove the crud and expose the rivets. I used a punch to start drilling them out.







Originally, I was going to remove the coil spring before removing the ball joints but I just couldn't get in there. Plus, I found that I had to completely take the spring compression tool apart and then install within the coil...pain in the a$$!







Final look of the carnage....



I think I may have to remove the steering shaft to remove the upper control arm. As far as the lower control arm, I will call around to see how much it is to have the lower ball joint pressed out. I could go to Harbor Freight and purchase their 12 ton hydraulic press...only $130. I'm financially exhausted for this month! Lol!

Let me know what you guys think.


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#997432 - 03/15/14 09:12 PM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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You may be able to tap those upper control arm bolts out to remove the UCA. But if you don't already have one, get an upgraded steering shaft from MC87SS on this site. Located in the Rolling chassis parts for sale section.


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#997440 - 03/15/14 10:14 PM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Very nice progress, I second the steering shaft upgrade, the 86, 84 and 96 Roadmaster all got them. The road feel is amazing in comparison to the rag joint steering shaft.



86 Monte Carlo SS T-top
69 Cutlass S Convertible
70 Chevelle Malibu (Second owner, grandma car)
12 Cadillac CTS-V Wagon
#997476 - 03/16/14 08:38 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Joe and Jawss,
Thanks for the steering shaft upgrade. I was looking into it today. What years is that Jeep steering shaft from?

Jawss, does that '96 Buick have the LT1 in it?


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#997557 - 03/17/14 02:59 PM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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I also used a 4l60 with my swap.

Used 1" setback adapter plates with CTS-V oil pan. Had issues getting the motor in with the frame pads bolted to the frame and trying to get the clam shells to rest over them, lifted the motor at plenty different angles and nothing worked well for me.

I ended up with the adapter plates bolted to the motor, then clam shells bolted to those, then placed the frame pads into the clam shells and dropped the moror down with everything together at once, was easier getting it in there without scratching the xxxx out of my firewall not to mention putting any more holes in my HVAC box.

I also could not use the old chain method to drop the motor in, there is like no room to bolt a chain to the back of the head when placing the motor in. Even if you got the motor in I would be curious how the hell people are removed the bolt and chain afterwards. I dented the firewall a little trying that method. I bought a LS1 valley cover lift plate to drop motor an tranny in, worked out great.

If you go with these 1" setback adapter plates notch the AC box if you did not already know.

Used fbody pacesetter headers like everyone else that uses 1" setback. They fit, but I had to do some mods for them to fit great or at least much better.

Far as the wiring goes, I'm using dakota digital VHX gauges so on the engine harness side for the firewall connector I de-pinned and removed all the wires except the two red power wires and the purple starter wire, everything else got removed and tossed in the trash.

Used a 4l60e G-force transmission crossmember, it did not line up with the trans mount or any of the frame mounting positions. I used the passenger sides farthest rear position, then driver side I had to drill new mounting holes to bolt it in.

You could use the factory crossmember but i suggest notching the driver side for exhaust, you will need to drill new mounting holes in the frame on both sides to reuse the original crossmember.

Drive shaft will need to be shortened, I still haven't taken that to get done so not sure yet how much will be removed.

Using a B&M 5ft shifter cable with the 4l60 and monte floor shifter. The detent plate on the factory shifter has a notch in it for every gear with the 4l60 except for 1st after playing around with adjusting it. I drilled a hole in the front of the shifter and used a threaded rod with 4 locking washers and 4 nuts to mount the cable to it.

Last edited by RELL88SS; 03/17/14 03:06 PM.
#997592 - 03/17/14 08:30 PM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Originally Posted By: jmireles
Joe and Jawss,
Thanks for the steering shaft upgrade. I was looking into it today. What years is that Jeep steering shaft from?

Jawss, does that '96 Buick have the LT1 in it?


Here's the info for the jeep shaft and yes my roadmaster does have the LT1 in it. It is a limited with the grand touring suspension, g80 posi rear from the factory and is an awesome color combo in my opinion.







86 Monte Carlo SS T-top
69 Cutlass S Convertible
70 Chevelle Malibu (Second owner, grandma car)
12 Cadillac CTS-V Wagon
#997740 - 03/19/14 03:07 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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Jawss,
I really like how that LT1 looks in the engine bay. I sold an LT1/4L60e out of a '95 Z28. I still need to sell the rest of the car! Lol! I was going to use that set up until I came across the LS2 deal....just too good to pass up.


RELL88SS,
I'm using 1" setback motor mounts from BRP. In addition to headers and Hummer LH8 oil pan. I'm also going with the G force tranny crossmember. It is not installed yet but I'm hoping things go smoothly.


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#999460 - 04/07/14 04:22 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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I BENT THE DRIVER SIDE LOWER CONTROL ARM!! Not too bad but I think it is enough where things would be rubbing, where full range of motion is needed....DAMN!

I bought a 12 ton hydraulic press from Harbor Freight for the ball joints and control arm bushings. The upper ball joint rivets were drilled out and popped out with a separator and the lower ball joints came out easy enough with the press.

The lower control arm bushings are a little tricky as they do not lend themselves to be driven out easily. They're driven in from the outside of the control arm, so you need access to the inside. I saw several methods on you tube to removing them but I wanted to use the press....jackass! It is not too bad but still needs to be straightened out. I'll post some pics tomorrow.

Has anyone ever had to straighten out C.A.'s? How'd you do it?

Last edited by jmireles; 04/07/14 04:25 AM.

-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#999462 - 04/07/14 05:29 AM Re: 1987 MC SS LS2/4L60e swap [Re: jmireles]  
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I have spare lower arms but that distance is a pain. Pm me if you are interested. I love the LT1 but this is just a beater car right now. I don't blame you for going with an LS2. I'm driving an LS3 camaro and I have gears turning in my head.



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69 Cutlass S Convertible
70 Chevelle Malibu (Second owner, grandma car)
12 Cadillac CTS-V Wagon
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