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#997705 - 03/18/14 09:14 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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After driving my car every day for the past week or so, I WANT to do this with my car as well...

If anyone else goes yarding and finds an extra one or two RKE modules, I'm sure I'd be interested in picking one up.


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#997851 - 03/20/14 04:21 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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I DD a 99 Lumina (just a four door MC), I will look and find and take pictures of it's placement for you guys. I am going to do this to my SS also. Just need to get to a yard!


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#998021 - 03/22/14 05:36 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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I was able to grab two setups today, only one key fob though from another car, those are harder to find since they get taken right away almost it seems. Both cars had trunks closed, no key so I took the wiring that I could, about 12-15" off the connector but not the little connector, couldn't trace it even sliding as far into the trunk as I could.


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-81'Grand LeMans Safari Wagon 350 CCC Q-Jet/CZF 2004-r/8.5" 3.73
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#998745 - 03/30/14 02:51 AM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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Pb86ss, that connector is there. It was pretty tucked in when I got mine out. Still got to install mine. Good luck!

#998949 - 04/01/14 03:51 AM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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The connector isn't necessary, correct? I only started getting ready to install it, I believe the connector wire is the black wire that needs to be grounded to program the fobs if my glancing at the schematics is correct.


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-87'LS 350 MAF/SD TPI- CRF 2004r-7.5" 3.42
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#999781 - 04/10/14 02:26 AM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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what donor cars should I look for this on

#999906 - 04/11/14 06:34 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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I found mine on 97-99 Montes. Just peel up the package tray and you'll see it on the passenger side.


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#999934 - 04/12/14 04:01 AM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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Sorry for never checking/updating this or my PM's. I just don't get on forums like I used to. Lots of PM mail that never got addressed, sorry. I didn't figure so many people would have trouble finding a module. They are everywhere locally. As I said, the best option I know of is the 98-99 Monte Carlo module. It may also be found in 98-01 Luminas, but most of those won't have RKE except maybe if it is an LS, or definitely if it is the fairly rare LTZ model. If it is used in other vehicles, I don't know what they are. Typing in the module part number shows it to only be used by 97-01 Lumina/Monte Carlo. Most Monte Carlos have RKE unless they are base. If it is a steel wheel/hub cap car, it probably won't have it. Maybe they get swiped a lot of something, but most had it. Lift up the rear package shelf and it will be under there on the passenger side.

Now the reason for this post. Since there seems to be interest in other modules/ inability to find 98-99 Montes locally for some people, I'm posting what I know about other stand-alone systems from GM. If you want something from another automaker, there are probably dozens of options, but you're own your own there, lol.

There are as far as I know, two previous generations of systems than the one 98-99 MC one I posted. The first was used from the late 80's to around 1994 (definitely 94 in the w-body cars). It uses a single 8 pin connector and the older square fob. I would stay away from these. It seems they had a 100% fail rate, not exaggerating. Personally speaking, I have two bad ones and no good ones. W-body.com members never seem to fair better than myself. The solder joints were faulty. The problem joints aren't visible, so if you do want to use this one, you will need to resolder all the joints on the larger circuit board and it will work again like a champ. Done this twice now after recently repairing my Turbo GP's module. RKE works fine again.

Picture of module:


Picture of circuit board inside module. The larger one will likely need resoldered. The smaller antenna board is probably ok.


Picture of older square fob. Note difference in design from the one in original post. They had the make's logo on them (although there are generic replacements available). This is my Turbo GP fob I recently purchased:


Wiring diagram of this module from my 1990 Grand Prix. I'm not positive, but I would think the pinouts would be the same for any module of this generation. The pin A and D that go up off the page are both B+ circuits. Click photo for a slightly larger one.




The second module is the module used from about 1995 up to the late 90's before BCM control took over everything (except our 98-99 Monte module!). This module has two connectors. It uses the exact same square fob design, but I'm not sure if the fob is internally compatible with the first generation, although I believe it is. This module seems reliable. My brother, my sister, and I have each owned a w-body with this module and all three worked fine.

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Diagram from a Camaro that should have this module. Again, If I had to guess, I would think the pinouts shown here would be the same for any vehicle using this module. Click picture for a slightly larger one.


So there's what I know for anyone wanting to use something else. Remember, range for that older fob is zilch. You have to be within 10 feet of the car for it to work. The later design fob of the 98-99 MC module shown on the first page isn't great, but is generally better.


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#1000637 - 04/20/14 02:32 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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Why go through all this? Why are aftermarket alarms w/ keyless "junk?" Why are they "bad news"
I have a Viper from Directed Electronics. Didn't have to go to a junkyard, buy remotes, solder anything, and I have keyless entry w/ trunk release, alarm w/ anti theft, anti-code scanning technology, a 2 way remote (alarm activations are sent to my remote) a valet switch, virtually no programming, and great range w/ easy wiring. All for $100 shipped to my door. Why is that inferior to using OEM GM parts cannibalized from other GM vehicles or rolling around in a filthy, wasp-infested junkyard to get old parts that don't do 1/5th of that, you don't know are working or not, and will likely fail long before the new aftermarket parts?

#1000727 - 04/21/14 06:31 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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Maybe I'm not an expert but I'll put a few reasons, that are enough for me:

- $80-100 cheaper

- I haven't heard of GM units failing, probably as reliable as aftermarket at least

- Not everyone wants or needs a noise alarm for their car or other items mentioned

- Some people don't mind (and gasp, even like) junkyards

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I still haven't hooked mine up but the wiring looks pretty simple. Re-using stuff readily available, cheaper and proven to work is hard to argue against, IMO.

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-87'LS 350 MAF/SD TPI- CRF 2004r-7.5" 3.42
-81'Grand LeMans Safari Wagon 350 CCC Q-Jet/CZF 2004-r/8.5" 3.73
-07'TBSS Stockish daily driver
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#1000732 - 04/21/14 06:49 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: bad88ss]  
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Originally Posted By: bad88ss
Why go through all this? Why are aftermarket alarms w/ keyless "junk?" Why are they "bad news"
I have a Viper from Directed Electronics. Didn't have to go to a junkyard, buy remotes, solder anything, and I have keyless entry w/ trunk release, alarm w/ anti theft, anti-code scanning technology, a 2 way remote (alarm activations are sent to my remote) a valet switch, virtually no programming, and great range w/ easy wiring. All for $100 shipped to my door. Why is that inferior to using OEM GM parts cannibalized from other GM vehicles or rolling around in a filthy, wasp-infested junkyard to get old parts that don't do 1/5th of that, you don't know are working or not, and will likely fail long before the new aftermarket parts?


they same could be said for the whole car....why mess with 30 year old car when they have new ones on the lot every day....


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#1002047 - 05/08/14 03:01 AM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: Mick]  
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They have new G Body montes? Cause I'd buy one if they did. I mess with this car because there is no new equivalent. Or maybe there is and I just don't know about it...LOL

#1002712 - 05/17/14 10:39 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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Just completed this, finally. I mounted it in the glovebox area velcro-ed to the back duct work out of the way. I probably have more wires back there than most with the TPI swap, wires run behind the glovebox in that area. Works great, I programmed my fob by holding lock/unlock before grounding it. I have a good 50 feet of range too. I found a fob on ebay for $10 shipped that had only lock/unlock and trunk, I didn't want the annoying (at least to me on my Regal) panic button especially since it would be useless.

Great write up, thanks again for the idea and motivating many of us to help bring our cars into the 21st century.


-86'SS 383 CCC QJet- BRF 2004r-8.5" 3.42
-87'LS 350 MAF/SD TPI- CRF 2004r-7.5" 3.42
-81'Grand LeMans Safari Wagon 350 CCC Q-Jet/CZF 2004-r/8.5" 3.73
-07'TBSS Stockish daily driver
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#1002996 - 05/22/14 07:51 AM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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This is a nice write up. I will be doing this to my Monte SS and Grand Nationals.


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#1004536 - 06/10/14 04:59 AM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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I just finished the install on my 86 442, thanks for the detailed, easy to follow instructions.

A couple of things that tripped me up: The door lock relay gets its ground through the screw that holds it to the body. I initially tried to get the system to work before putting everything back together.......couldn't figure it out, thought the relay was bad, swapped in a different relay.....until I fastened it to the body and it worked. Also, I grabbed a couple of FOBs at the yard but they were not compatible with my unit despite visually looking the same. I purchased a FOB on ebay from a 98 monte for $15 and all is good.

#1004960 - 06/15/14 04:11 AM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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Range is greater than 100 feet, with the unit mounted behind glove box. Pretty cool locking/unlocking doors, popping the trunk on a mid 80s car with a factory gm fob......maybe i'm just easily amused....

#1006966 - 07/07/14 06:25 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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Can you guys give an exact location of where these are in the donor cars? I looked around in the trunk of many 90's montes and luminas and could not find one.

Also what other cars did these come in?

If all else fails... Can someone get me the GM part number off of the box? Looking to add this to my 87 suburban!


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#1007034 - 07/08/14 01:10 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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On the rear package tray, passenger side. Need to pull/peel off the package tray, enough anyway. Only held on by velcro so pretty easy to take out. Not all of them will have it, I think it was 97-99's and even then, not all but a good percentage will. Need to get to them from the backseat area, IIRC.


-86'SS 383 CCC QJet- BRF 2004r-8.5" 3.42
-87'LS 350 MAF/SD TPI- CRF 2004r-7.5" 3.42
-81'Grand LeMans Safari Wagon 350 CCC Q-Jet/CZF 2004-r/8.5" 3.73
-07'TBSS Stockish daily driver
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#1011958 - 09/08/14 08:16 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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I know im gunna sound like an idiot on here but ive been to 3 different yards and I cant find the module on any of the cars would anyone want to sell me the set up if they can find it the module, wire harness,and key faub or give me the part number for the faub and ill order it i found the module on ebay but it does not have the harness pig tail which u obviously need to wire it up

#1012770 - 09/20/14 03:56 AM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: 1987mcss]  
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Originally Posted By: 1987mcss
I know im gunna sound like an idiot on here but ive been to 3 different yards and I cant find the module on any of the cars would anyone want to sell me the set up if they can find it the module, wire harness,and key faub or give me the part number for the faub and ill order it i found the module on ebay but it does not have the harness pig tail which u obviously need to wire it up

I've got an extra module with pigtail. I don't have the fob, but they are $15 on ebay. Pm if interested.

#1014467 - 10/19/14 12:27 AM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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It's crazy, I just did the same thing and made a write up on the Malibu site. Our write ups are almost the same, even used the same electrical diagrams. I wish I saw yours sooner and saved myself some time. I installed mine behind the glove box and connected the pink and blue wires so the interior lights work with the remote.


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#1014639 - 10/22/14 03:06 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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Wow, I hit the junk yard this morning and BAM. 3 luminas with RKE modules. Took all of them home with me. Now I just need a few key fobs with the ABO1502 FCC IDs.


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#1015059 - 10/31/14 02:52 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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Also gm part number 16255859 is the same RKE module but it mounts different. The part numbers on the circuit board are the same. Used on Malibu 97-99, Olds Achieva 97-99 and Cutlass 97-99. The wire harness colors are different but the diagrams above have the pin numbers.

#1019740 - 02/14/15 02:10 AM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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New to the site .I have both modules and going to install one this weekend .however the 859 board is slightly different and has a "P" o the circuit board .with that said the canadian part number is the same also the signal number the same .a stated above the harness has different colors and the only change i see is both power wires are orange and the trunk is black with tracer .it also has one additional wire in the harness .Great write up thanks for the Add
PS dont ow a SS Monte but every says nice Monte to my GN

#1019776 - 02/14/15 09:38 PM Re: Adding GM keyless entry [Re: jman093]  
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the 859 module does work i tested it .however if you have factory security it will not arm and disarm using the keyfob and if you arm with door switch and disarm with fob the alarm sounds

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