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#908871 - 12/19/11 02:58 AM 87 SS Monte restoration  
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Well I'm finally going to document my "restoration" so to speak. I've been on the site for a long time but have never really posted pics, just reading and soaking in the info!! thumbs I'm taken back on the projects you guys do and the quality of so many of the builds here.

This monte is my first car, I've been fortunate enough to be able to keep it along the way. I got the car in '96 when I was a sophmore in high school. It served me well for quite awhile as it was a daily driver even through the winter, (salt conf). I havent done much to it over the last 7-8 years or so after the ls1 transplant the 4l60 dumped and the car mostly sat.
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I hope to get started with taking the body off the frame and doing some major rust repair. [img:left][/img] [img:left][/img]
We'll see where it goes and how it progresses from there. I welcome any and all feedback and hopefully I can contribute some good info back to the site.

I'll be back with some pictures shortly ok finally got some pics to work!




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'87 Monte SS With a stock 11,000 mile '98 LS1/T56.

#909295 - 12/21/11 09:59 PM Re: 87 Monte restoration....warning slow progression [Re: ]  
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You do have some rust repair to do, but when it's all back together, it will be worth the work.



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I have a rust hole just under the door hinge area, thats the one that I'm most concerned with. The others wont be easy but should be straight forward.

I've noticed that you changed your t56 out for the 200-4r, was there something about the 6 speed that caused you to swap it?

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#930056 - 04/29/12 02:03 AM Re: 87 Monte restoration/ RUST repair [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Today I separated the body from the frame. I "hung" the front so I had access to remove the whole inner and outer rocker sections, from the front body mount back to the rear wheel houses.




I do have to repair about 8 or so of the body mount holes some only need minor fixes while others will need cut out and replaced.




I plan on doing the drivers side first, its the worst. Hopefully I've braced it well enough, we'll see.


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#932734 - 05/20/12 02:05 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Well today I got the rocker cut out, I have to admit I was a little nervous doing that but all went well





I got to test fit the new rocker sections that I got from Texas_aero smile thanks for those parts Tex!




I have a floor w/ rockers that I got quite awhile back from Randy ( ss4ever ) that I plan on using the parts off to finish my rockers. He may not even recall its been so long. think smile

Other than that its been busy, I got my body bushings (energy suspension 3.4141G) ordered up new bolts from fastenal and got some washers for frame repair but I messed up and ordered the ones with a 1.5 NOMINAL inside dimension they measure 1.625 and are a little sloppy doh I'll have to order the 1 3/8" it looks like to get the 1.5" i.s. diameter.

Thanks for checkin her out



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Today I took a break from spot weld cutting and tried my hand at fixing the body mount hole on the frame. I know there are other ways to do it but I used a jigsaw with a metal blade I had already and cut out the hole. This is the other side but it was the same as what I started with.





I welded it in using the flux core wire I had. Then ground the welds down and shot it with some rattle can paint for now so it aint bare. I didnt think it came out too bad for a rookie smile






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Not much happenin lately, but I did finish up my body mounts and I just got my core support repair parts from SS4ever so I will get that in shortly.

I spent my day cutting apart the hooker long tubes that are on the ls1. When I did the swap I had a guy in town do a small amount of work to get the headers to fit. In reality they needed more work. The headers were to the point that they would bolt up but they still rubbed. My focus has been the passenger side as three of the four tubes were rubbing in various places.



Well I should've known I wouldnt get them done so quick, but oh well made some progress at least smile Here is where I'm at with the passenger header. The second tube in from the right was the main problem area. (you can see where the header was previously worked by the rusty welds) It was hard on the frame but a little slice in the back side of the tube gave me all I needed to gain clearance. I have some 1-3/4 j bends that will replace a couple of sections (used the parts I cut off for a trial and error), right now they all clear and the last one only has to clear the lower a arm mount which looks pretty doable. Once they are done I'll send 'em out to get re-ceramic coated. thumbs thumbs


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#939319 - 07/16/12 05:43 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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I do remember you getting that floor pan/rockers from me but that has been a while. Glad to see you are getting some good use out of them.


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#945873 - 09/19/12 02:22 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ss4ever]  
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Well I got the passenger header finished up today and put back on for now. I'm pretty happy with the finished result, although I'm still learning/practicing my welding skills. When I got these I had a local guy do some work to get them to fit, but it wasnt very good, a case of "you get what you pay for!" It was pretty cheap. smile

The header came out fairly good, but I had to adjust the rear of the collector down to accomodate the slight upward tilt of the incoming tubes. I'm clearly no expert but since I had these already and they were cut I thought what a good place to try my hand. I figured I'm really not out if these dont work, nobody would buy them being cut up already dunno so what the hey!!


My main problem area was the tube on cylinder #4. It was against the frame pretty hard before but, now I have roughly 3/8 to 1/2 inch of clearance.
I also had clearance issues with #6 & #8 hitting the engine/trans on the inner area, and along with that the collector position put the exahust against the outer hump of the crossmember.


I'm going to start on the driver's side next and try to straighten out the outward kick of the collector. I dont have any interferance issues with this side but I want it pointed back like it should.
I also ended up not having the header hang below the frame, it's just about flush. smile


I'm considering installing the ball socket joint to help accomodate any miss-alignments, and since I have to fix the drivers side collector I thought I might as well.
http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance-Products/555/30692/10002/-1?parentProductId=1353765

Once I get the drivers one done I plan to send them out and have the re-ceramic coated.

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#945901 - 09/19/12 12:12 PM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Nice work!

Where did you get your washers from for the frame repair? Fastenal? I assume you found dimensions somewhere for the inside diameter?

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Thanks! The collector kinda bugs me but being the first try at something like this it coulda been worse! smile

Yeah fastenal, It took me a couple of tries but I looked up the part number for the washer on fastenal's site. The first time I ordered the washers it was by a nominal 1 1/2" and they were too big, in turn I ended up ordering 1 3/8" nominal and they were 1 1/2" actual.

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#946076 - 09/20/12 12:34 PM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Great, thanks for the tip. I'll be needing to do this soon enough.

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I wanna say I ordered p/n 33808, its what the local store could get.


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I got the driver's side buttoned up today. It was a little easier 'cause it only needed straightened. There were no interferance problems just the goofy kick out.


Here is the almost finished product..





and for comparison this is before...



and after...




This side does seem to hang 1/4" or so lower than the passenger side. It was getting close to the bottom of the floor and I didnt want to chance a problem there so I left it as is.

I'll order up the ball and socket ends for the collectors and then have them coated, then they will be finished! smile


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#956961 - 12/29/12 03:21 PM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Dang, wish I had me a heated garage!


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Well got me some work done today, I plan on getting the frame cleaned and painted this summer. With that I fitted the other 7.5" 10 bolt I had with the "LS1" rear brakes. I wasnt sure if they'd clear the frame but everything looks ok, other than the shocks.



I'll be looking for some ideas on moving the bottom inward a bit.


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#1004703 - 06/12/14 02:59 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration....Update 6-11-14 [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Definately been awhile...

I've gotten my frame blown apart and the entire thing wire wheeled. Its got a coat of rust converter and a coat of rust encapsulator on it.



I was on the fence about boxing the center section of the frame as this will be a street car mainly but since I had already bought the steel I decided to go ahead. I should be able to run my fuel/brake lines right in the same spot also. I made an elongated hole for easy acces to body mount #3.








Aside from the frame I've also been working on getting the front susupension parts ready I still need to buy rotors and pads and for now I'm takin a chance with the used wheel bearings, they are Timken's & there's no play in 'em so dunno

These calipers were used ebay specials that were unpainted. I used a preval paint sprayer with the duplicolor caliper paint kit. I ran the first sprayer out of propellant and the second one seemed to spray so much better, must have gotten a bad one to start with but over all I think they came out pretty good.



I got a shipment of bolts from gmpartsdirect, I went ahead and got all new bolts for the control arms front and rear upper and lower, the only one not available was the front lower rear bolt - prolly have to get a gr. 8 I guess. Anyway I should be ready to assemble the front end and rear when my frame is finish painted thumbs thumbs whiteside

Control arm bolts & GM Part# for reference:

Part Number 11516073 NUT (sold in 10 pk) M12 x 1.75 pitch metal lock nut
Part Number 461854 Front Upper A arm bolt w/ serrated shank under head Grade 10.9 M12 x 1.75 pitch x 66mm
Part Number 11502603 Upper and lower rear control arm and front lower rear-only Grade 10.9 M12 x 1.75 pitch x 95mm
Front lower front-only Grade 10.9 M12 x 1.75 pitch x 110mm

* The front lower control arm has a longer bolt on the engine cradle side (or front-most bolt) it is discontinued by GM.

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Looking good so far keep up the good work!


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Thanks D town I appreciate it! thumbs

Well got a little more done today I set the engine in and realized it needs a good cleaning.



I modified my crossmember as the hole for the tranny mount was offset and put the driveline in a bind agaist the engine to frame mounts.





It's nice to finally seem some progress, albeit minor as I'll have to tear the driver's front spindle off when the junkyard gets me another as I found the arm is bent on it conf

Anybody got some ideas on cleaning the aluminum engine & trans housing??

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Originally Posted By: ls1_monte
I was on the fence about boxing the center section of the frame as this will be a street car mainly but since I had already bought the steel I decided to go ahead.


I am not on the fence, its getting done. What rust convertor / encapsulator company did you go with? I am wanting to do this as well, but there is a million different products on the market.

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Mac, thanks! thumbs

I went with Eastwood products except the initial rust converter I used the stuff at farm n fleet it was only 5 bucks a can, as opposed to eastwoods 15 a can. I then coated the frame with Eastwood's rust encapsulator, sprayed the Eastwood internal frame coating, and finally top coated it with Eastwood extreme chassis gloss black.

My order from eastwood was:

4 12515Z Internal Frame Coating 14 oz w/Spray
6 11172Z EW Extreme Chassis Black High Gloss Aeros
5 16060Z Eastwood Rust Encapsulator Black Aerosol

I have 1 1/2 cans of rust encapsulator and 1 chassis black left

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Awesome build so far!

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Thanks Steve burnout, Unfortunatly lately I havent gotten a whole lot done just a little work on the crossmember again as I realized the trans tail was a bit too high, now though if anything it should be low but that can easily be shimmed.

Also I'm working on the 7.5 rear getting some brackets made for the brake line from the caliper, the emerg. brake cable and relocating the shock to clear the "LS1" calipers.

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Cool, those are the same brakes I'm going with, I picked up the big bearing ends that moser makes for a 9" that would bolt up to the backing plate

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looks like this will be a nice build. Keep up the good work!


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These frame-off threads are getting me excited to start mine.

Looks like great progress. Gonna be awesome when finished!


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Thanks guys I do appreciate it, considering this is a novice's garage/budget build. thumbs


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Well this is where I'm currently at with winter and all I havent taken care of the no-heat situation in the garage yet so C'mon spring! smile

Anyhow I did manage to get the trans crossmember notched as the one I had was for a 4L60E and I'm changing it to a T56

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I also got my proportioning valve (PV4) from CPP, I think most companies sell the same valve and this being my first order from them it kinda took awhile for them to ship it, but it got here just fine.

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I went with Cunifer lines from Fedhill, this stuff is very easy to work with, although I've only used vinyl coated steel otherwise. I'd order from them again thumbs The rear brake lines are done on the axle and I'm in the process of finishing the front to rear line. I'm thinking I will have to change the stainless lines to loop down instead of upward, have to double check that still.

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One of the last things I've gotten done is my emergency brake cables with the "LS1" rear brakes. I was able to use factory cables all the way to the rear ( ac delco oe cables from rock auto, cheap looking ) with some brackets from Bruin brake cables off ebay.

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What allowed this to work was modifing the camaro emergency brake brackets that also gave me a spot for my Stainless brake lines to mount as I didnt much care for hose clamping a bracket to the axle tube, just a preferance thing as I'm sure it would work fine that way. dunno

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Well its coming along, I got the power steering box cleaned and reassembled with a seal kit from rock auto. With that back on I was able to tie up the rest of the steering linkage too.

Today though I mocked up the exhaust, I had all these parts for some time just never got to putting the crossover pipe in.



After mocking up I wanted to check ground clearances and everything is tucked up nice and neat, hopfully when I set the body on floorpan clearances will be the same thumbs





The next nice day I hope to pull the engine and finish all the brake lines, its nice to see the pile of parts starting to dwindle around the garage smile


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Looking great! do you have a link for where you got those parking brake brackets to use the stock cables and ls1 rear brakes?


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Thanks!

I bought them off Ebay, Bruin brake cables.

They were sorta a p clip with the only opening being the hole that hooks onto the arm sticking out of the backing plate. I had to make a notch in the "P" part of the clip to make them work. The "L" shaped steel was just basic flat stock that was bent up for the cable end to mount to.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bruin-Parking-Br...046&vxp=mtr

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Awesome, thank you! I have been wanting to do the ls1 rear brake swap, but have been putting it off because of the whole parking brake deal.


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I've never delt with bruin but something I was considering but already had the stock cables was to email them and see if they would just put the "ls1" style end on the monte's stock cable design....seems that would simpify things.


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you say novice but it looking pretty pro built to me , keep up the good work thumbs thumbs

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I appreciate it mainer, thanks driving


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Well I've gotten the driver's side rocker fitted into place for almost the last time. I'll take it off once more to clean it and prep it for welding and it'll be there for good.







Once that is done I'll tackle the other side, and it should be easier since I've got one under my belt now. I will have to replace the lower section of the inner door jamb as you can see its pretty rusty. I've got a patch ready to go so once I get the old junk dropped of the car I can fit it first and the end plan is to not move the lower hinge mount.






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Well I bit the bullet and purchased a Hobart 140 and have layed a couple of tacks..... Boys I'm ready to make some real progress rockband

One thing with that is if anyone goes that route make sure the correct size drive roll is include, since the .24 wasnt I lost out on a completely free weekend.


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On the Miller 140 it came with a .024 and .030 drive, you just flip the roller to change wire size.
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On the Miller 140 it came with a .024 and .030 drive, you just flip the roller to change wire size.
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My Hobart 185 has one roller with both sizes as well, just a quick flip.


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Well thats what I had thought but when I actually got it home the roller was for .30 and .35, one of them being flux core.


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Well just a few more welds and some more clean up and the driver's side rocker and door jamb will be all finished up. Tommorrow I will finish it and move on to the passenger side.


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Was a good long day, I got the drivers side buttoned up and got the passenger side cut out, the inner leg on the door jamb patched up and was able to get the rocker assembly mocked up a couple of times, its coming along smile


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Fellas I could use some help, does anyone have a picture of the passenger side quarter window opening. I'm particularly interested in how the bottom seams (of the window opening) line up between the inner and outer sections of the quarter.

In the pictures do all have the "tab" I'm wondering if the quarter should be closer to flush to the top of it?





I've got the passenger rocker in, measured the in's and out's and up's and down's multiple times before I placed it for good, and it's just is not lining up with the door on. I've been messing with it and I'm to the point that I believe the passenger quarter (replaced 20 or so years with a used one)is low.

On the driver's side I ran a steel rule up from the rocker to the bottom of the body line (where the 87-88 stickers are) and it was approx. 6" and measuring on the passenger side the same way it was approx. 5 3/4" - 5 7/8". So this along with what looks like the quarter is low at the bottom of the quarter window is making me think the quarter is the problem.

I adjusted the door up ( that main body line is now high on the rear of the door) and the door to rocker looks a whole lot better.


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Well at this point the rockers are all in, along with the door jambs inside and out, two small patches at the firewall to floor seam, the floor pan itself (Actually camplete, firewall to trunk), the bucket seat bracing, and the rear under seat brace are all welded in place.

It's coming along right now I'm fitting the rear wheelhouses and the upper trunk pan. It feels good to make some progress thats for sure smile


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Rear wheelhouses and upper trunk pan in, also replaced the entire section on the passenger side of the spare tire well, right now it is prepped and screwed and clamped untill I get the other trunk part I need.

Updating pics



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A helpful link on console placement brackets, I had 3 3/4" for the rear bracket but it gets you real close.

http://www.oldspower.com/vb/showthread.php?t=49580


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Missing some of the pictures, sometime I'll get caught up with that, but the driver's side trunk pan came in today from OPGI. Pretty nice part and fit fairly well too, just some minor trimming on one edge by the spare tire.



It's not welded yet but fit into place for now. I'll need to take the body off the frame and address a couple of items before I weld all of the trunk seams together for good, just not sure if I'll get a chance before winter sets in.


Catching up pics

Drivers side trunk drop off

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Any updates?

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Any updates?


Not a lot to speak of with it being cold. I'm mapping out the fuel system and going to purchase the materials shortly. Here is my chicken scratches so far:



It does look like I'll be hooking up my original charcoal canister to the vent purge on the LS1, probably with a canister rebuild. From what I read it will work and keep the car from smelling like gas fumes. thumbs

I did find this 6AN to 3/8 inverted flare Adaptor to help simplify the number of fittings I'll be using which is always good.

I thinking about mounting the vette filter along the pass. frame rail near the #4 body mount and run cunifer to the front and from the filter back to the exhaust heat shield area where it'll meet with the stainless flex line that'll go to the tank. I've considered putting the 'vette filter under the raised portion of the trunk as well as thought about getting rid of the rear hard lines and running the flex line down to the filter if I keep it by the #4 body mount. Haven't finalized it yet.


I'm looking at stainless sending units, on the first go around I ordered a stock replacement 4.3 monte sender and it was in the car around 6 years or so and when I started to revisit the fuel system and pulled the sender to find this I decided to look into something a little more rust resistant.






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That sending unit looks terrible. Is that what everyone's would like? Make want to sell mine and switch to an ls3 kit.

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A good source for Cunifer is Fedhill. I bought 10' of 1/2" when I upgrade the fuel system.
http://store.fedhillusa.com/38fuelhydraulicline.aspx

How is the condition of the tank inside, hard to believe that sender looks that way in only 6 years. Does the car sit for long periods over the Winter without treating the fuel?
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I purchased my brake materials from fedhill and had great customer service through email on a few questions I had. I'm definitely buying there again. thumbs

Admittedly yes it did sit without a fuel treatment, when I dropped the tank there was a minor bit splashing around in it still and it sat some more that way.

Not real sure dunno I know the treatment would keep the fuel from braking down but would it protect from rust? Was it the broke down fuel that caused the rust or just crappy galvanization? It was just a run of the mill parts store replacement, that doesn't give me a whole lot of faith in the quality.

I'll see if I can get a pic of the inside of the tank


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Got this done today, need to clean up the seam above the qtr window still.


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Really cool! I am definetly going to brace the inside before I cut mine as well. Really good job. You had some serious rust there . I thought mine was bad in those areas . The top seam is really strange to whats on the car as far as the new panel goes I notice. The window flange At the top is definetly going to be tricky. I really want it to fit under the outer layer like the factory . Do you have a picture of how you braced the inside of the car to keep it square ? I really didnt know u were as far as you are! Good job. I figured you were in the beginning lol

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Here's a couple



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Here's the first fitment of the qtr




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Thx for the pics. Just realized u have a t top car lol. I see why there is so much bracing . Wow love the quarter panel fitment now it really come together what I have to do . That seam I wish they made like it once was . I have the same panels as you waiting to be picked up smile . You have done some serious work too and it looks great.

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Thanks Matt I appreciate it and I agree on the qtr seam just makes it more complicated


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Ya little more welding but hey look what we both have done so far . Rest should be easy . They say if u can do a floor u can do it all. Teaches you all about the 100's of spotwelds lol . I shoul at that stage in a few weeks . Have to remove my driver quarter then replace. The wheel houses and trunk pan like yours . Rest is solid really lucky . I have to weld in some braces in the next few days . Like you did . Starting to Weld in my brace tomorow can't wait to sit on the floor lol . Eat off the bottom lol


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Did u cut the roof line just below or on the crease ? Can u take a pic of the back window flange .


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I used one inch tape and followed the roof edge line as a guide, the actual edge of the roof line not where the roof skin and qtr skin overlap. I used a cutoff wheel on the grinder and cut below the tape another eighth inch or so to have some wiggle room.


Here is a pic of the rear window flange. The new qtr will basically butt weld to the roof flange on the side and back edge.

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And just cause I like this one...


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Looking great! Its a lot of work but worth it in the end.


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Thanks! If mine is half as clean as yours I'll b happy

It's nowhere near done I set the front clip up there while doing a little cleaning in the garage.

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It's coming along



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Nice man. I have my quarter off and working on the trunk now. Looks good i any wait till mine is at that point . How's the roof edge working out. Are you doing both quarters or just one side


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I'll have to do both sides and the roof seam is real close I think just one more trim and I'll be there



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Looks good. I picked up my rh quarter today and seat mount brackets. Your build is inspiring as well . Rust is running away from us scared and hiding smile


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I read somewhere that GM used some sort of sealer that would run into the seams when the panel's are welded, you'd put it near the seam then with the heat it would close up the gaps. I wonder if a guy needs to look into something like that on the wheelhouses to qtr seam?


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Definetly ! Or like a panel bonding glue . I could see sealant on the seams and on the wheelhouse lips . That sealant you talking about that sounds interesting . I'm going to coat the inside of my quarters and the car structure before I put the quarters on . Have been thinking of what to seal the seams with


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Ya i have to do some homework on it, but here's what I've gotten done today





The seam was borderline so I decided to go ahead with cleaning it while it was easy to get to.

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Nice man . I have been busy lol. How's the quarter fitting now? Any pics of the tail light area? Did u have to trim the panel at all . Another thing I noticed I have to do is transfer the door latch striker bolt backing plate . Once I cleaned the old quarter around striker hole to see spotwelds mine had some shotty work done there lol.might be goin to a yard to cut out those brackets. Another question how's the trunk goin lol . Mine is all removed now an i have ordered floor assembly with body mounts driver side , wheel house assembly driver side , spare tire well, passenger trunk floor with body mounts . Can't wait till all these parts are installed . Car will look like a skunk with a white stripe down its back lol

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Well good and bad, the door to qtr gap isn't very good on the qtr side it's not straight as in wavy near the top, not real sure what to do there. The other issue was at the tail light, the top part of the qtr to trunk alignment wasn't right but I think I've gotten that mostly addressed as a small slice on the back allowed that to sit down.

I did get the striker plate on mine the other day , so it's coming along.

As far as trimming I did clearance the lower section where the qtr overlaps the rocker. Also had to open up the qtr window holes as they were off, and drilled the top hole for the taillight as it wasn't there. I also trimmed the top edge of the door jamb by the t top hold down.

The other thing i haven't gotten finalized is the studs that hold the rear bumper cover, I don't think that'll be too bad though.

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Passenger side fitted just working on trunk and tail light fitment




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Right on! I have been busy with yard work lately . I almost have one quarter fitted. Can you send me a pic of the back corner where the quarter meets the back window area . I guess the back of the quarter seam. Also if u could take a measurment from the top roof line to the quarter window opening edge . I'm close with mine just want a comparison thanks . Looks really good . I'm still alot behind you lol


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#1039073 - 05/13/16 05:41 PM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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How is your door to qtr gap?

It seems like both of mine the qtr side of the seam is not straight, or in other words it doesn't follow the the door evenly. The gap is even from the bottom up past the side stripes a few inches then it gets wider on up to the door top.


I'll get some pics neither qtr on mine is welded yet as I wanted to fit the trunk and tail lights.

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#1039313 - 05/18/16 01:19 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Let me know how your measurements compare, from the top of the roof down to the the flange on the qtr it's an inch



As far as the measurements to the qtr window it's hard cause the aftermarket panel doesn't have too many sharp edges most are rounded but the front edge is right near an inch and a quarter



And the rear edge about an inch and a half



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#1039484 - 05/21/16 07:27 PM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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I posted a pic of my roof seam so far .still some small trimming to do wondering if the repro doors will fit the repro quarters better as far as body gaps go

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#1039493 - 05/22/16 02:46 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Whoops I forgot to post that pic of the rear qtr seam I'll get it shortly






I'm thinking a little scrap filler welded in on the rear finished with lead.

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#1041051 - 07/04/16 04:15 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Well I was able to make some progress over the last couple of days got the door/ qtr gaps cleaned and adjusted, and got the rear gaps straightened.

The welded on studs for the rear bumper were in bad shape so for now I took them off and put stainless bolts in place, might leave it that way.

But the rear came together which is a good feeling after all the metal that has been replaced on the car.


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#1041261 - 07/08/16 08:00 PM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Well took the front window out and cleaned up the last bits of the wiper assembly in preparation for getting the car blasted and primed.

This morning I found this which I'd have to believe contributed to the rust on the passenger side...



You can see daylight through it so you know water flowed through on down the inside of the door jamb, good to find now.


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#1042099 - 08/05/16 03:48 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Well got some good help the other day...



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#1042830 - 08/26/16 03:01 PM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Hey my friend . I have been busy with other life things lately. Monte is still waiting for me to do more work. Still waiting on my trunk parts. Looks like you have made some good progress ! Any pics of the trunk pan


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#1042864 - 08/28/16 04:19 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Hey Matt, kinda in the same boat but the last thing accomplished is the drivers qtr is all welded in cept the roof seam, and ready to do the same to the pass one.

What area of the trunk do you want pics of?


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Thanks Mick for the patch panel!

This is one of the last few PCs I had to repair.





What I did get taken care of was the rear studs for the bumper cover. I bought some metric bolts an inch long and cut off the damaged studs, stuck the new bolts through a hole in the same position and welded them in worked out great.

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#1044692 - 10/25/16 09:31 PM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Nice patch . I'm back working on the car again. Replacing the inner and outer rocker on the passenger side right now . Almost have the outer off. The trunk pan u said fit ba where the filler knock goes I was wondering how it looks . Also the quarter to door gap how did u fix the gap on it any pics of that . Car looks great all back together . Can wait till I'm there . In still a bit behind you . Going to post some pics of the passenger rocker work . I also need to replace my windshield pillars at the bottom . The water didnt go inside the door posts thankfully. I have been looking at the t top pillars and Im pretty sure they can be used on a hard top. just modified to weld to the roof

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#1048683 - 03/06/17 01:30 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Hey 84ss been awhile! Hope things are going well your way.

As far as the door to quarter gap it seemed all the bends on the aftermarket quarter were soft, basically not sharp 90 deg. bends or whatever they are, so what I did was lightly hammer, on the qtr edge, about half way down to the bottom on the door jamb face and it seemed to get me what I needed and really did not distort the face of the quarter either.

I don't have any pics of the filler neck I'll see if I can get some.

Here's what I was working on tonight, the RR weather strip channel. You can see the aftermarket one on the right it didn't have the back edge to it so if there is a leak somewhere it would dump back into the roof structure, I just didn't care for that so I bought some 16 ga and bent my own.

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Good to know any pics of install


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Thats great ! See you have the roof seam on the quarter welded up . Lookin good . Was waiting for an update lol. I cant wait till i can get the 84 going forward again . See you have wheel houses are you replacing them as well. Your quarters are on just wondering how your going to do that . Roof seam looks good , good work . Can u post a pic of that and the back window quarter area thanks


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Those wheel houses are extras I bought before I found the complete ones, inner and outer, I swapped in as a whole.


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Ah cool . Ya i have driver side complete wheel house . I still need the passenger side . What you going to do with them .


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#1065442 - 03/15/20 02:41 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Been awhile for sure but the body is in primer on the rotisserie. Really hoping to see some paint on it this year.

Stopped by to say hi to anyone hanging around, glad to see the board still kickin.

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Hell ya buddy ! Been creeping .my ss is almost ready to come off the frame .last side to finish welding on tje quarter .good job stay safe ,mat


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Hell ya buddy ! Been creeping .my ss is almost ready to come off the frame .last side to finish welding on tje quarter .good job stay safe ,mat.camt believe its been 3 yrs since i posted last on your thread


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Congrats man! That was a mountain of work!


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