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#908871 - 12/19/11 02:58 AM 87 SS Monte restoration  
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Well I'm finally going to document my "restoration" so to speak. I've been on the site for a long time but have never really posted pics, just reading and soaking in the info!! thumbs I'm taken back on the projects you guys do and the quality of so many of the builds here.

This monte is my first car, I've been fortunate enough to be able to keep it along the way. I got the car in '96 when I was a sophmore in high school. It served me well for quite awhile as it was a daily driver even through the winter, (salt conf). I havent done much to it over the last 7-8 years or so after the ls1 transplant the 4l60 dumped and the car mostly sat.
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I hope to get started with taking the body off the frame and doing some major rust repair. [img:left][/img] [img:left][/img]
We'll see where it goes and how it progresses from there. I welcome any and all feedback and hopefully I can contribute some good info back to the site.

I'll be back with some pictures shortly ok finally got some pics to work!




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'87 Monte SS With a stock 11,000 mile '98 LS1/T56.

#909295 - 12/21/11 09:59 PM Re: 87 Monte restoration....warning slow progression [Re: ]  
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You do have some rust repair to do, but when it's all back together, it will be worth the work.



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#909299 - 12/21/11 10:37 PM Re: 87 Monte restoration....warning slow progression [Re: 84LS1T56SS]  
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I have a rust hole just under the door hinge area, thats the one that I'm most concerned with. The others wont be easy but should be straight forward.

I've noticed that you changed your t56 out for the 200-4r, was there something about the 6 speed that caused you to swap it?

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'87 Monte SS With a stock 11,000 mile '98 LS1/T56.

#930056 - 04/29/12 02:03 AM Re: 87 Monte restoration/ RUST repair [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Today I separated the body from the frame. I "hung" the front so I had access to remove the whole inner and outer rocker sections, from the front body mount back to the rear wheel houses.




I do have to repair about 8 or so of the body mount holes some only need minor fixes while others will need cut out and replaced.




I plan on doing the drivers side first, its the worst. Hopefully I've braced it well enough, we'll see.


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'87 Monte SS With a stock 11,000 mile '98 LS1/T56.

#932734 - 05/20/12 02:05 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Well today I got the rocker cut out, I have to admit I was a little nervous doing that but all went well





I got to test fit the new rocker sections that I got from Texas_aero smile thanks for those parts Tex!




I have a floor w/ rockers that I got quite awhile back from Randy ( ss4ever ) that I plan on using the parts off to finish my rockers. He may not even recall its been so long. think smile

Other than that its been busy, I got my body bushings (energy suspension 3.4141G) ordered up new bolts from fastenal and got some washers for frame repair but I messed up and ordered the ones with a 1.5 NOMINAL inside dimension they measure 1.625 and are a little sloppy doh I'll have to order the 1 3/8" it looks like to get the 1.5" i.s. diameter.

Thanks for checkin her out



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#934321 - 06/02/12 04:55 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Today I took a break from spot weld cutting and tried my hand at fixing the body mount hole on the frame. I know there are other ways to do it but I used a jigsaw with a metal blade I had already and cut out the hole. This is the other side but it was the same as what I started with.





I welded it in using the flux core wire I had. Then ground the welds down and shot it with some rattle can paint for now so it aint bare. I didnt think it came out too bad for a rookie smile






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#939196 - 07/15/12 04:28 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Not much happenin lately, but I did finish up my body mounts and I just got my core support repair parts from SS4ever so I will get that in shortly.

I spent my day cutting apart the hooker long tubes that are on the ls1. When I did the swap I had a guy in town do a small amount of work to get the headers to fit. In reality they needed more work. The headers were to the point that they would bolt up but they still rubbed. My focus has been the passenger side as three of the four tubes were rubbing in various places.



Well I should've known I wouldnt get them done so quick, but oh well made some progress at least smile Here is where I'm at with the passenger header. The second tube in from the right was the main problem area. (you can see where the header was previously worked by the rusty welds) It was hard on the frame but a little slice in the back side of the tube gave me all I needed to gain clearance. I have some 1-3/4 j bends that will replace a couple of sections (used the parts I cut off for a trial and error), right now they all clear and the last one only has to clear the lower a arm mount which looks pretty doable. Once they are done I'll send 'em out to get re-ceramic coated. thumbs thumbs


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#939319 - 07/16/12 05:43 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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I do remember you getting that floor pan/rockers from me but that has been a while. Glad to see you are getting some good use out of them.


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#945873 - 09/19/12 02:22 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ss4ever]  
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Well I got the passenger header finished up today and put back on for now. I'm pretty happy with the finished result, although I'm still learning/practicing my welding skills. When I got these I had a local guy do some work to get them to fit, but it wasnt very good, a case of "you get what you pay for!" It was pretty cheap. smile

The header came out fairly good, but I had to adjust the rear of the collector down to accomodate the slight upward tilt of the incoming tubes. I'm clearly no expert but since I had these already and they were cut I thought what a good place to try my hand. I figured I'm really not out if these dont work, nobody would buy them being cut up already dunno so what the hey!!


My main problem area was the tube on cylinder #4. It was against the frame pretty hard before but, now I have roughly 3/8 to 1/2 inch of clearance.
I also had clearance issues with #6 & #8 hitting the engine/trans on the inner area, and along with that the collector position put the exahust against the outer hump of the crossmember.


I'm going to start on the driver's side next and try to straighten out the outward kick of the collector. I dont have any interferance issues with this side but I want it pointed back like it should.
I also ended up not having the header hang below the frame, it's just about flush. smile


I'm considering installing the ball socket joint to help accomodate any miss-alignments, and since I have to fix the drivers side collector I thought I might as well.
http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performance-Products/555/30692/10002/-1?parentProductId=1353765

Once I get the drivers one done I plan to send them out and have the re-ceramic coated.

Last edited by ls1_monte; 09/19/12 02:28 AM.

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#945901 - 09/19/12 12:12 PM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Nice work!

Where did you get your washers from for the frame repair? Fastenal? I assume you found dimensions somewhere for the inside diameter?

#945983 - 09/19/12 08:57 PM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: SickSpeedMonte]  
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Thanks! The collector kinda bugs me but being the first try at something like this it coulda been worse! smile

Yeah fastenal, It took me a couple of tries but I looked up the part number for the washer on fastenal's site. The first time I ordered the washers it was by a nominal 1 1/2" and they were too big, in turn I ended up ordering 1 3/8" nominal and they were 1 1/2" actual.

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#946076 - 09/20/12 12:34 PM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Great, thanks for the tip. I'll be needing to do this soon enough.

#946166 - 09/21/12 02:11 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: SickSpeedMonte]  
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I wanna say I ordered p/n 33808, its what the local store could get.


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#947233 - 10/01/12 12:06 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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I got the driver's side buttoned up today. It was a little easier 'cause it only needed straightened. There were no interferance problems just the goofy kick out.


Here is the almost finished product..





and for comparison this is before...



and after...




This side does seem to hang 1/4" or so lower than the passenger side. It was getting close to the bottom of the floor and I didnt want to chance a problem there so I left it as is.

I'll order up the ball and socket ends for the collectors and then have them coated, then they will be finished! smile


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#956961 - 12/29/12 03:21 PM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Dang, wish I had me a heated garage!


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#999150 - 04/03/14 02:53 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration - RUST removal [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Well got me some work done today, I plan on getting the frame cleaned and painted this summer. With that I fitted the other 7.5" 10 bolt I had with the "LS1" rear brakes. I wasnt sure if they'd clear the frame but everything looks ok, other than the shocks.



I'll be looking for some ideas on moving the bottom inward a bit.


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#1004703 - 06/12/14 02:59 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration....Update 6-11-14 [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Definately been awhile...

I've gotten my frame blown apart and the entire thing wire wheeled. Its got a coat of rust converter and a coat of rust encapsulator on it.



I was on the fence about boxing the center section of the frame as this will be a street car mainly but since I had already bought the steel I decided to go ahead. I should be able to run my fuel/brake lines right in the same spot also. I made an elongated hole for easy acces to body mount #3.








Aside from the frame I've also been working on getting the front susupension parts ready I still need to buy rotors and pads and for now I'm takin a chance with the used wheel bearings, they are Timken's & there's no play in 'em so dunno

These calipers were used ebay specials that were unpainted. I used a preval paint sprayer with the duplicolor caliper paint kit. I ran the first sprayer out of propellant and the second one seemed to spray so much better, must have gotten a bad one to start with but over all I think they came out pretty good.



I got a shipment of bolts from gmpartsdirect, I went ahead and got all new bolts for the control arms front and rear upper and lower, the only one not available was the front lower rear bolt - prolly have to get a gr. 8 I guess. Anyway I should be ready to assemble the front end and rear when my frame is finish painted thumbs thumbs whiteside

Control arm bolts & GM Part# for reference:

Part Number 11516073 NUT (sold in 10 pk) M12 x 1.75 pitch metal lock nut
Part Number 461854 Front Upper A arm bolt w/ serrated shank under head Grade 10.9 M12 x 1.75 pitch x 66mm
Part Number 11502603 Upper and lower rear control arm and front lower rear-only Grade 10.9 M12 x 1.75 pitch x 95mm
Front lower front-only Grade 10.9 M12 x 1.75 pitch x 110mm

* The front lower control arm has a longer bolt on the engine cradle side (or front-most bolt) it is discontinued by GM.

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#1004704 - 06/12/14 03:27 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration....Update 6-11-14 [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Looking good so far keep up the good work!


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#1007572 - 07/15/14 03:19 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration....Update 6-11-14 [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Thanks D town I appreciate it! thumbs

Well got a little more done today I set the engine in and realized it needs a good cleaning.



I modified my crossmember as the hole for the tranny mount was offset and put the driveline in a bind agaist the engine to frame mounts.





It's nice to finally seem some progress, albeit minor as I'll have to tear the driver's front spindle off when the junkyard gets me another as I found the arm is bent on it conf

Anybody got some ideas on cleaning the aluminum engine & trans housing??

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#1007583 - 07/15/14 11:29 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration....Update 6-11-14 [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Originally Posted By: ls1_monte
I was on the fence about boxing the center section of the frame as this will be a street car mainly but since I had already bought the steel I decided to go ahead.


I am not on the fence, its getting done. What rust convertor / encapsulator company did you go with? I am wanting to do this as well, but there is a million different products on the market.

Looking good beer


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#1007655 - 07/16/14 02:04 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration....Update 6-11-14 [Re: MecGen]  
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Mac, thanks! thumbs

I went with Eastwood products except the initial rust converter I used the stuff at farm n fleet it was only 5 bucks a can, as opposed to eastwoods 15 a can. I then coated the frame with Eastwood's rust encapsulator, sprayed the Eastwood internal frame coating, and finally top coated it with Eastwood extreme chassis gloss black.

My order from eastwood was:

4 12515Z Internal Frame Coating 14 oz w/Spray
6 11172Z EW Extreme Chassis Black High Gloss Aeros
5 16060Z Eastwood Rust Encapsulator Black Aerosol

I have 1 1/2 cans of rust encapsulator and 1 chassis black left

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#1013850 - 10/06/14 11:42 PM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration....Update 6-11-14 [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Awesome build so far!

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Thanks Steve burnout, Unfortunatly lately I havent gotten a whole lot done just a little work on the crossmember again as I realized the trans tail was a bit too high, now though if anything it should be low but that can easily be shimmed.

Also I'm working on the 7.5 rear getting some brackets made for the brake line from the caliper, the emerg. brake cable and relocating the shock to clear the "LS1" calipers.

whiteside


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#1013861 - 10/07/14 01:08 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Cool, those are the same brakes I'm going with, I picked up the big bearing ends that moser makes for a 9" that would bolt up to the backing plate

#1013871 - 10/07/14 07:29 AM Re: 87 SS Monte restoration [Re: ls1_monte]  
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looks like this will be a nice build. Keep up the good work!


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