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#865745 - 04/08/11 08:55 AM The SickSpeedMonte
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I figure I'd start a build blog, since I'm finally getting some time to start working on the car. Alot of what I'll be doing is just going back and cleaning up past projects from my younger years (and "professional" installs like the alarm and stereo). Don't have a lot of funds right now for playing with my toys, so I'm trying to do things that are more labor intensive than checkbook intensive.

Here is a link to the Electrical Box I put together to house the fuse panel and 5 relays. It will control the electric fans and the H4 headlights through plug-in electrical bulk head connectors. I will mount it behind the dash or under the console with a wrapped wiring harness.



The next step was to modify the dash board. At first, I was thinking I would overlay fiberglass directly on the old dash, just for simplicity. But the more I looked into it, the more I worried about it separating down the road. Plus it would be added weight (on the wrong side of the CG.) So the plan now is to take my split and cracked to hell dash and use it as a buck after modifying it to my taste. The buck will then be filled, sanded, sanded, sanded, sanded some more, and then waxed a few times. I might go with a release gel, after talking with a friend of a friend who knows 'glass. I'll use the buck to make a mold, and then use the mold to make a new fiberglass dash. Then I have to decide how to finish the dash. Right now I'm leaning towards getting it upholstered.

I'm going to make a new console from scratch, using foam and filler to make a buck. Because I don't have to make dimensionally accurate replica of anything to start with, I might just use the foam to make a positive mold and remove the foam after it hardens. We'll see how the dash goes first... I might offer them for sale if the mold holds together.

So last night I started with the modifications to my dash. I'm not going crazy with this, I want it to resemble something that Chevrolet might have produced. I'm removing the extrusion where the heating/AC controls and the radio were, and making that flow flush from the top of the dash and into the console. The only other thing I'm doing to the structure is to lose the big protruding box that the instrument cluster sits in. I want to set the gauges into the dash and build a small hood to keep the light off of them, similar to modern cars. I plan to relocate the dash about 3-4" towards the driver and fill in the difference at the windshield side. Enough talking, here are some pictures of the current progress.







I learned the hard way that cutting on the dash is alot harder than it looks. I had a body saw in there, and as it cut, it would melt the plastick near it. Then it would solidify together on the other side of the saw, accomplishing nothing. I ended up using a 4.5" angle grinder which did the trick.

Next step is to get some foam and start forming the center of the dash and the instrument cluster area, and then start the body filler work.

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#865747 - 04/08/11 09:23 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I had the same experience cutting alot of plastic pieces on my interior! Good luck!
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#865769 - 04/08/11 01:46 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Sixtoes1313]
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#865843 - 04/08/11 10:24 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 406monte]
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Bernie I have to say that part of building is by fare the best. You have a nice little project there and I can't wait to see the progress.

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#865980 - 04/09/11 05:17 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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Thanks! I'm enjoying myself so far. I found the 2 part foam mix online, so I'll probably order that (now that congress passed the budget in the 11th hour, which means I'll have a job till at least October when they F it all up again). In the mean time, I'll start working on a form, probably just out of cardboard, to pour the foam on. Remove the form, shape it, and put bondo on it, and I'll have my mold.

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#865988 - 04/09/11 05:29 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#865990 - 04/09/11 05:38 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 86ttop]
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So...when are we gonna work on that thing? Let me know when the build party at your house is!!

My car is done for a little while so I finally have time to hang out!!!
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#866500 - 04/12/11 09:14 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SicMonte]
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Originally Posted By: SicMonte
So...when are we gonna work on that thing? Let me know when the build party at your house is!!

My car is done for a little while so I finally have time to hang out!!!


Will do, I need to get some more materials for the fiberglass. I'm thinking I'm going to need to vacuum bag it to get it to work right.

We got our fence almost completed yesterday, which means we can start taking the thing off our pool (it was covered with wooden beams by the bank). We just need to hang some more of the wire mesh on the split rail, and put one more board on the gate we build the other day. Hopeully it doesn't cost a fortune to get the pool up and running, it would be great for entertaining.

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#866502 - 04/12/11 09:33 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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and it would be great for seeing hot chics in bikini's....just saying.
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#866503 - 04/12/11 09:49 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SicMonte]
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lmao!

Next project... Tiki bar and palm trees B)

I could use some welding help relocating the lower mounting points for the dash Doug smile

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#866505 - 04/12/11 10:07 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#867064 - 04/14/11 03:40 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SicMonte]
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Ordered my pour foam today, should arrive early next week so that I can start re-forming my dash.

Going to grab some body filler on the way home and start filling in the cracks on the top. I might cut across, just rearward of the defroster vents so that I can section in the extra 3-4" and retain the stock upper mounting locations. I have to find a way to secure the pieces together whilie I bridge the gap. I'll probably just use some 2X2 wood as a brace underneith.

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#867081 - 04/14/11 05:59 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Wish I was close enough to help out with this. I love being able to make messes at other people's house and then just walk away. And that foam and body filler is going to be a hellacious mess.

Doug, have fun!!!! And make a little extra mess for me.

Bernie, good luck!!!
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#867886 - 04/19/11 12:12 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Duts87SS]
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#868617 - 04/23/11 10:26 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Little more progress, waiting on JB Weld to dry right now. Going to add some more bracing, lay down a base, and pour the foam into the void to connect the two pieces of the top of the dash.








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#869596 - 04/27/11 03:41 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Huh, so what's the plan WRT to attaching them back together? I take it that you plan on using the foam to make the shape, the 'glass to give it some strength, but how are you planning on finishing that?

So what happened with the console you were working on a while back, did you ever finish that or do more 'glass work since then?
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#874128 - 05/19/11 10:10 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Silverback]
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The plan is to use this as a buck once I get the shape right. Use the buck to make a mold, and use the mold to make a new dash. I might just skip the mold step and form a layer or two over this and see if it fits. If so, I'll build it up from the inside and just use that as the dash. Body filler on that to smooth it out, and then either paint or take it to an upholstery shop.

I did finish the console and I covered it myself with matting and vinyl. Turned out alright for a first time around, but it's time to clean it up. I'm going to make a new console and integrate it with the dash.

http://sickspeedmonte.com/Interior2.htm

Here's the latest progress with the dash. Not pictured is two scrap metal bars JB Welded to the two pieces of the dash on either end to support the shape. I'm still working on the shape of the transition from the dash to the console. I need to mock it up and remove some more material.

Next step is to foam the gap on the top of the dash and smooth that over. Then I'll mock it up and refine the transition to the console.














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#874833 - 05/23/11 10:36 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Shape is pretty much there now. I made a template that followed the curvature of the top of the dash and reversed it for the bottom. At the very bottom, it kinda dove-tails out to flow into the console... but that part isn't final yet. I need to see it with the console mocked up after I form that.



Top filled in



Measurements for the new left-most A/C vent location and centerline of instrument cluster



Instrument cluster visor form in place, ready for foam tonight.



Little sneak preview with the trim panel in place



Pouring the instrument cluster visor tonight and then depending on weather either working on my truck outside, or the dash indoors. Next step to set the form up for the console and get the rough shape for that and then fine tune the transition/joint.

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#874843 - 05/23/11 11:46 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Wow, Bernie looks like it's coming together. Are you going to use light filler on the foam to fill in the little imperfections? This should be pretty cool looking when you are done. I'll be watching this one.
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#874852 - 05/23/11 12:27 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 406monte]
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Nice job, I'm guessing that the dash is going to come out farther with the extra foam that you use in the gap. Very cool idea.
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#874867 - 05/23/11 01:46 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: miker82]
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Originally Posted By: 406monte
Wow, Bernie looks like it's coming together. Are you going to use light filler on the foam to fill in the little imperfections? This should be pretty cool looking when you are done. I'll be watching this one.


Yes I have bondo that I will fill in the cracks in teh dash and smooth over the foam with. Then I'll need some mold release and gel coat. A couple of my friends are big into jet skis and one used to work for a guy that built skis and boats, so they have some good sources.

Originally Posted By: miker82
Nice job, I'm guessing that the dash is going to come out farther with the extra foam that you use in the gap. Very cool idea.


Thank you! Exactly, I didn't like how the dash felt so far away and I wanted to make it a little more like a modern car/cockpit feel. I like the basic design of the stock dash, so this seemed like the best way to go about it.

This piece will just be used to make a full fiberglass dash, and then be stored away in case I ever want to make another.

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#874869 - 05/23/11 02:30 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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You're making some progress there Bernie. I can honestly say I never have even attempted to do something like this. But now that your started it don't look all to bad. But don't get me wrong I'm glad it's your car and not mine. laugh When will you extend the sides and lower mounting points? For me that's when I'll get the clear picture of the look. I'm kinda getting a vision similar to my 1996 SS Z28 with the depth on top going into the windshield.

The more I think about it, some additional rake on the windshield would compliment that dash well. Maybe I can help you there.... laugh

One big plus is going to be all that working room under the dash.


Edited by 1 slow ss (05/23/11 04:49 PM)

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#875063 - 05/24/11 08:01 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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Well last night I poured some foam for the gauge visor, it still needs some more. I couldn't get the shape all in one pour. The sides are flat, so I'm thinking I'll make a template of the shape where it meets the firewall, and then just extend the sides straight out and cut the shape 4" further forward. I honestly hadn't even thought about the sides until you mentioned it. It would have become too complicated to move them forward with the top all in one piece, I think.

The way I did the top piece retains the stock mounting points. The lower 3 will be moved forward on the metal pieces. I plan to have someone weld extensions and extra bracing on (unless I happen upon a cheap MIG before then)

I know what you mean Ron, there have been a few "OMG, WTF am I doing?" moments here and there, but it's got to be a LOT easier when you are starting with a junk dash like I am. The hardest part is being out in the current BEAUTIFUL weather, knowing I can't drive my baby for a while. I started wiring in the electrical box on Sunday just because I had an itch to drive it and I didn't care about the lack of interior. I ran out of wire instead frown

I'm also in the process of swapping the 14 bolt in my truck, so that's taking up my time as well.

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#881632 - 06/27/11 12:10 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I got the cluster hood poured and shaped. The top surface is pretty close, the underside will get carved out a little more so its not that bulky.





And then mocked it up in the car. I needed to fit it so that I could start building the form for the mold.





Here is where my electrical box is going to go. Right behind the radio, hopefully I can get it out if I need to service it without having to pull the dash. I also got power to the box and the wires running out to the fans. It has it's IGN hot signal and the ground for the control side of the relays wired in. If I wire in the switch, I will be able to power on the fans. I want to get the console done first though so I know how long to make the wires to the console mounted switch.



I put the seat back in to get the width right on the console and the height of the console lid/armrest





After installing and removing the console a few times, I had a finished form for the foam.





And I started filling it with foam.



Now I need to make little retaining walls so that I can lay it on its side and fill in the sides with foam. Once I have the sides formed, I'll remove the cardboard and start shaping the console.

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#881634 - 06/27/11 12:23 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Man, that's some awesome looking stuff. Thanks for the progress updates. Good stuff.
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#881641 - 06/27/11 12:42 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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That's a lot of work Bernie! hail
I like the overall shape improvement, it looks more like the late model cars with the nicer dash design...
My only concern would be to have enough space for the shifter, so you don't end up punching 3rd gear into the radio/dash.

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#881650 - 06/27/11 01:24 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 84 ZZ4]
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That's a lot of work Bernie! hail
I like the overall shape improvement, it looks more like the late model cars with the nicer dash design...
My only concern would be to have enough space for the shifter, so you don't end up punching 3rd gear into the radio/dash.

x2! Hope you haven't been working out wink
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#881715 - 06/27/11 07:43 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Sixtoes1313]
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I rowed her through the gears a few times to make sure. While making engine noises. It's been a while since I've driven her alright? lmao

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#881720 - 06/27/11 08:10 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Coming along very nice. Way to be different!
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#881734 - 06/27/11 09:00 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 84supersport]
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#881804 - 06/28/11 07:22 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: MonsterCarlo]
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Thanks everyone!

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#881813 - 06/28/11 08:51 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Bernie , looks very good !! Now that’s thinking out side of the box !!!
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#881909 - 06/28/11 07:24 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Hey-O]
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Bernie you have made some great progress. You might hit one out of the park with this mod? thumbs

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#881968 - 06/28/11 10:43 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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Yes,don't break the mold after the first pull.You may be onto something...I like!
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#882004 - 06/29/11 07:43 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Fireball69]
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I'm going to do my best to keep the mold in one piece by using mold release. I might have to make a new console mold from the final piece when it's done... not sure how the 2-lb foam will hold up.

I'm hoping to final shape the console and dash this weekend and start adding body filler. I don't know if I will get it into primer or not, but at that point it will give you a really good idea of how the final product will look.

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#883693 - 07/08/11 09:15 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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pretty cool!
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#884114 - 07/11/11 07:27 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Swaggasaur]
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Removed the cardboard.





Did some test fitting and shaping, a few times.







Had to add some in a couple places.



I did some more work but didn't get pictures. I'll try to get one tonight of the current progress. I have it shaped pretty much the way I want it, just need to round off the corners. I also started putting body filler on the left side of the console. I got the regular jar of bondo... and I don't think that is what I want to use. It goes on really thick, and it doesn't smooth out when you spread it on. So that means there is a lot of sanding I need to do before it is smooth... There are also a lot of little holes in the filler that will need to be gone over again, which means I'd have to sand it back down all over again...

Does anyone know if there is a thinner body filller that I sould use?

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#884122 - 07/11/11 08:41 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Very cool, Bernie!

The shifter on the ZF tranny looks a little close to the driver's seat compared to the T5s and T56s that I'm used to seeing in a Monte.

Any difficulty in shifting because of that?

If you were to do the tranny swap again, would you go with the ZF 6 speed or a T56?
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#884124 - 07/11/11 09:09 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SS Ninja]
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Thanks Dave.

Yes, the shifter is offset quite a bit.



I like where it sits, I can reach it while sitting back comfortably and it doesn't interfere with anything. If I had big seat boulsters, I'd imagine my elbow would be into it while shifting into 2nd/4th/6th/reverse. The throw on this thing is pretty long, but there is a Hurst short throw available.

I believe the ZF is harder to make fit than the T56 most likely, judging by all of the cutting that I had to do, and parts/knowledge are much harder to come by. I do like the cool factor though, and those strait(ish) cut gears whining in the black-tag smile I'm planning on having the black-tag bullet-proofed and either useing the currently installed blue-tag in another project or sitting on it as a spare.

I think the biggest issue with the ZF is the fact that the 'vette uses a dual mass flywheel to damp torsional vibrations. If you have a 2pc. rear main seal, it will cost you a small fortune to have a dual mass made up, and the dual masses aren't that great to begin with. So you are limited to a special clutch which uses a damped disc. Otherwise, you get annoying noises like I have, which are harmless, but they sound terrible. I only know of one company making the special "hybrid" clutch, so to speak.

The clutch hydraulics are nice though, the vette slave accepts a standard inverted flare, so you have options unlike the T56 setups. Again though, nobody is going to make it for you, so you can make it how you want it, but you'll be the one doing the leg work.

Oh, and it accepts a 700-R speedo housing, which means my mechanical stock speedo works smile

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#884831 - 07/15/11 08:35 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Did a little blocking last night. I definately need to get some thinner filler. Gonna stop at a place tonight.



I got down the the foam in a couple spots while blocking, which is fine. It just means I have a low spot in the middle that I need to add filler to.

I decided to block the rest of the foam before adding putty, to make my life easier later. Before I was just using a small hand-held sanding block. Last night, I took some sand paper and wrapped it around a 12" section of 2X4 so that I could get a much flatter, more uniform surface.



I still have to round the edges. I got a little carried away with starting the body filler, and forgot to do that part doh. Shoudln't be a big deal though.

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#884843 - 07/15/11 10:54 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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That’s very impressive , well done !
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#884845 - 07/15/11 11:09 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Hey-O]
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Thanks Ulli!

This weekend I might swap out my steering box and jeep shaft that I got from Adam (Sixtoes) and put on my new sway bar from Doug (Sicmonte). It will be nice to turn wrenches once again... all this rubbing on foam is getting tedious.

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#884849 - 07/15/11 11:51 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I was at an upholstery shop up the street from my house that will be doing parts of my car . There was a 69 Camaro that had a fiber glass console that ran front to back all the way up the back seat to the back window . Like me he starts out with cardboard , then ¼ inch plywood , then covers it with fiberglass . It was painted the same color as the car , stripes and all . The floor was all leather per customers request . The Camaro was worth 250,000 dollars !!! The interior for the Camaro cost 18,000 dollars . He said it took 7 cows … LOL . This guy is sharp . When I get that far they said they’ll come by and help lay out my interior ……. But not for 18,000 bucks , not happening !!!! … LOL .
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#884853 - 07/15/11 12:11 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Hey-O]
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'Icing' filler is thinner but not sure about getting too thick with it,might be best to go over your bondo with icing to fill the defects then sand, At Installer Institute they showed us a mix of bondo, fiberglass resin, and mekp hardener, mixed properly you can 'pour' it smooth to self level instead of using a bondo spreader, takes some technique and usually better for flatter projects.


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#885065 - 07/17/11 12:35 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: gmguy3car]
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I think bondo actually makes like a "gold" or "proffessional" version that goes on smoother. You could also try a finishing glaze putty. Those are always alot thinner and plyable
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#885170 - 07/17/11 05:50 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Sixtoes1313]
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Lookin good I like the center console gives the dash a more modern look can't wait to see how it comes out
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#885263 - 07/18/11 09:52 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: texboi709]
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Here is the stuff that I got from the parts store:



And here is the console with some of it put on and sanded down. The metal glaze goes on a lot thinner than the bondo, so they both seem to have their place as far as building and finishing the surface.



To be honest, I got a little carried away and wasn't thinking about what I was doing... I put the body filler on the whole thing before I realized that I hadn't rounded off the corners... that was a big mistake in terms of time wasted.



It's a little further along than this at the moment. I did go back and start laying filler on the now rounded edges. It takes about 3 coats before it's smooth. This is a very tedious and time consuming process.

I managed to re-motivate myself a bit this weekend. With the fans operational, I took the car to the parts store to get the metal glaze and some sandpaper. No dash, no console, a bit of a hole in the floor through which you can watch the slip yoke do it's thing... pretty damn cool. The trans makes all kinds of cool slight whining and clunking noises while driving and shifting, it sounds like a race car.

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#886467 - 07/23/11 04:20 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Looking good Bernie! The only thing I'd recommend is just an aesthetic thing - I think the armrest section would look better with a bit more of a contour - something like this.



IMO, it looks a little boxy now when compared with the smooth curves and modded gauge cluster housing.


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#887249 - 07/28/11 06:14 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: TPI Monte SS]
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Bernie, you can thn bondo with laquer thinner or acetone to the point of being able to spray it through a gun. That's what my oldest son said they used to do when he worked at Tim Mcamis race cars. I don't know what that would do the foam though so try it at your own risk.
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#888327 - 08/03/11 09:53 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 84LS1T56SS]
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Bernie that looks awesome.
If you stick the can of bondo in the sun for a little while before mixing it makes it a little more creamy so it spreads better. Don't use as much hardener or you won't have as much working time with it.
As said above you can also thin it a little, acetone works best from what i have found.
The metal glaze should only be used for very small pin holes and scratches.
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#888376 - 08/04/11 07:31 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: MC87SS]
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Good advice guys! I learned the thing about too much hardener the hard way, so I really backed off from the reccomended amount.

Unfortunately, I haven't had any time to work on it lately, and probably won't have any time this weekend either. frown

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#890681 - 08/17/11 02:28 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: MC87SS]
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Nice work !!! Looking good !!!
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#893642 - 09/06/11 03:17 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
Thanks Ulli!

This weekend I might swap out my steering box and jeep shaft that I got from Adam (Sixtoes) and put on my new sway bar from Doug (Sicmonte). It will be nice to turn wrenches once again... all this rubbing on foam is getting tedious.


haha a month and a half later I finally got this ^ done!

I took the steering box in to work and stuck it in the parts washer, and then threw some paint at it.



And here is the steering shaft. I just need to drill a hold in it for the stock bolt. Thinking about tightening up the tilt column, but I'm a little apprehensive about the "special tools" needed.



Don't have any pictures of the sway bar installed, but it's in there.

I also fixed some wiring on the power window switches. I had a wire sever from the terminal on the driver side switch which actually made the passenger side window stop working all together (from either switch). Turns out the passenger window switch grounds through the driver switch. I found an online store that sells the little post connectors and got that straightened out. I should have window motors coming in today and I plan on removing, cleaning, greasing, and reinstalling the window tracks on both sides as well. Hoping that speeds up the windows considerably.

Not much else has been done on the console and dash.

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#893644 - 09/06/11 03:35 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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The rest of my recent progress has been in the parts gathering/planning department...

I picked up all of this from Doug (sicmonte)

4340 forged steel Eagle crank



Forged eagle H-beams with forged SRP aluminum pistons and ARP rod bolts



1970 010 casting 4 bolt main 350, .030 over, honed, decked



Dart Pro 1 215 cc heads, should make about 8.5:1 compression with the dished pistons




Timing chain, oil pump, crank bearings, (cam bearings are installed), (incorrect) lifters... need to get retrofit roller lifters, rings, and pushrods



Here's a picture of the Hellwig bar that is installed. The travel limiting straps are not installed yet.


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#893650 - 09/06/11 03:52 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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And I have been slowly refining my wish list.

Engine control:

  • MegaSquirt II v3, unassembled from DIY Autotune
  • MegaSquirt Stimulator v2.2, unassembled, DIY Autotune
  • 12-foot MS wiring harness, DIY Autotune
  • Innovate LC-1 wideband lambda sensor, DIY Autotune
  • Stim power supply cord, DIY
  • Lead bending tool, DIY
  • Temperature controlled soldering iron station, Amazon (ordered)
  • Various GM sensors for temperature, MAP, etc
  • Radioshack PCB and resistors/LEDs/pin connectors to practice soldering


Ignition

  • EDIS-8 kit, boostengineering.com, (2 EDIS-8 Coils, Ignition module, VR sensor, 36-1 wheel, fuel pump shut-off switch
  • EDIS Coil spark plug wire conversion kit, boostengineering.com
  • Universal spark plug wire boot/terminals, boostengineering.com
  • 8.5mm MSD Superconductor wire p/n 34013, 25 feet
  • New plugs


Induction

  • Victor-E EFI manifold p/n 29785
  • BBK 4bbl throttle body kit with TPS, p/n 1716
  • 4150 style carb hat, superiorairflow.com, o-ringed
  • 1405 Felpro intake gaskets
  • GMPP thermostat housing, p/n 809-10108470
  • MRG 740 thermostat housing gasket, FEL QP70165 distributor seat gasket


Fuel System

  • 65 lb/hr injectors, 306508 dfperformance.com
  • Edelbrock 3630 fuel rails
  • Aeromotive 13101 fuel pressure regulator
  • Aeromotive A1000 11101 fuel pump
  • GM306C Quanta Products 4.3L Monte fuel tank
  • Hard line, few sections of soft fuel injection line, filters, and required fittings ($$ I know)

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#893708 - 09/06/11 07:55 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Man- looks like your diving further than expected...typical project LOL. I like the plan so far!! Keep up the updates!
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#893718 - 09/06/11 08:25 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Sixtoes1313]
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Looking good Bernie! Is this engine getting forced induction?
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#893719 - 09/06/11 08:31 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Sixtoes1313]
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WOW , very impressive to say the least !!!! As far as a month and a half later , life’s that way . That steering box looks new . That steering shaft will make a big difference . I did mine when I put in the new engine . When I went for that first ride I thought for a moment the new engine made it handle better , forgot I had put it in .. LOL . It got rid of all that nasty play I had .

Forged this and forged that , your well on your way to a very stout engine , they’ll be no regrets there . Looks like your plan is to only do this once , good for you !!!! Keep it up !
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#893753 - 09/06/11 10:11 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Hey-O]
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For sure a very exiting time when the parts start to accumulate. I look forward to the build thread. beer

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#893801 - 09/07/11 08:04 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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Originally Posted By: Sixtoes1313
Man- looks like your diving further than expected...typical project LOL. I like the plan so far!! Keep up the updates!


haha, I have been planning on doing all of this for years. I just finally have a little bit of spare coin coming in. This is only phase 1 of the plan...

Originally Posted By: Onebadbowtie86
Looking good Bernie! Is this engine getting forced induction?


I guess the engine specs are a dead give-away huh? That's phase 2...

Originally Posted By: Hey-O
WOW , very impressive to say the least !!!! As far as a month and a half later , life’s that way . That steering box looks new . That steering shaft will make a big difference . I did mine when I put in the new engine . When I went for that first ride I thought for a moment the new engine made it handle better , forgot I had put it in .. LOL . It got rid of all that nasty play I had .

Forged this and forged that , your well on your way to a very stout engine , they’ll be no regrets there . Looks like your plan is to only do this once , good for you !!!! Keep it up !


Thanks Ulli! I can't wait to drive it with the new box, shaft, and sway bar.

Originally Posted By: 1 Slow LS3 SS
For sure a very exiting time when the parts start to accumulate. I look forward to the build thread. beer


Definately. It's slow progress which is agonizing, but exciting at the same time.

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#893841 - 09/07/11 11:06 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Nice build you have going on!

One comment though:

I haven't heard many good things from tuners when it comes to combining EFI with those MSD plug wires. Evidently they're "noisy" and can cause issues with EFI due to their ultra-low resistance.

SDCE in particular isn't a fan of them, and they know their stuff.
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#893938 - 09/07/11 05:49 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SS Ninja]
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Hmm, I never would have guessed that, thanks!

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#894535 - 09/11/11 02:14 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Any more progress on dash. Cant wait to see when its finished.
I am working on my dash to. ill post a pic. I didn`t get to creative as u did thor.

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#894794 - 09/13/11 09:05 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 4893fei]
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No, I had to take a break from the dash and work on a few other things. Hoping to get back to it soon.

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#896069 - 09/21/11 11:32 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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NICE ENGINE!!!! lol.

btw..I have your cam and springs.
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#896109 - 09/21/11 04:37 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SicMonte]
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haha, thanks!

I'll have to grab those the next time I see you. I wish I could go to OC this year, but gotta save for the honeymoon wink

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#896111 - 09/21/11 04:55 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Bernie, can you explain to me the travel limiting straps that you are going to use with the Hellwig front sway bar? Do they take the place of the bump stops? Oh and keep up the great work on the project.
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#896211 - 09/22/11 08:08 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Fred SS]
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Fred,

The straps are for the rear. The drop springs in the rear can fall out before the shocks reach their full droop travel limit.

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#896229 - 09/22/11 09:40 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
Fred,

The straps are for the rear. The drop springs in the rear can fall out before the shocks reach their full droop travel limit.


...and that's why I am getting coil overs in the rear...this weekend!
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#896265 - 09/22/11 03:02 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thanks Bernie.
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#896279 - 09/22/11 04:32 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Fred SS]
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4" exhaust anyone?



haha, I wish... that's for the truck.

Damn rusty exhaust



Had to drill out all 6 bolts, now I have to tap the holes



Have all of the holes drilled except for one.... and there's a cobalt bit stuck in it.

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#896288 - 09/22/11 05:05 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I feel your pain!

My WRX has been down for over a week as I snapped a bolt in the subframe trying to fix the steering rack.

I had a pilot hole drilled all the way through the bolt; Instead of continuing to drill it out I decided to be smart and use an extractor. Broke the extractor in the bolt and now I have to drill that out as well! I HATE rust! mad
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#896334 - 09/22/11 08:20 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SS Ninja]
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Man how the heck did that thing get on the road like THAT?!?!? wink
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#896344 - 09/22/11 09:38 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Sixtoes1313]
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Good luck on the engine Bernie, they say it is great to be blown...
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#896391 - 09/23/11 07:48 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Sixtoes1313]
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I feel your pain!

My WRX has been down for over a week as I snapped a bolt in the subframe trying to fix the steering rack.

I had a pilot hole drilled all the way through the bolt; Instead of continuing to drill it out I decided to be smart and use an extractor. Broke the extractor in the bolt and now I have to drill that out as well! I HATE rust! mad


Last night, between a whiz wheel and further drilling, i got it to where I can move it left/right, but I can't pull it out. I guess it's just going to take more trying. I just hope I don't screw up the flange too badly.

Originally Posted By: Sixtoes1313
Man how the heck did that thing get on the road like THAT?!?!? wink


Hmm... all this rust has occured in the time that I have owned the truck..... its quite unfortunate really. wink

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#901646 - 10/31/11 08:24 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Last weekend I got the passenger window back together. The window was always slow, and then one day it wouldn't go back up at all, it didn't even try. So I tore into it, knowing that I wanted to replace the motor and clean/grease the tracks anyway. It turned out that the initial problem was caused by a wire that had come loose on the passenger switch. The power for the passenger motor comes from the fuse box, through the driver's switch, across the firewall (inside the cabin) to the passenger switch, and then to the motor. So with that one wire loose, the passenger window couldn't be raised by either switch. I was able to find the terminals to repair the harness here:

http://www.repairconnector.com/products/...ors-5-Pack.html

And I bought two new switches from advance auto just to replace the peeling stockers. It turns out the passenger side switch was a dud right out of the box, which threw me off for a little bit. I took a multimeter to the stocker and figured out how it worked, and the new one didn't contact on the lowering circuit.

So I got it all cleaned, greased, repaired and reinstalled, and now the passenger window beats the driver's side up. I have the parts to do the driver's side, so I just need to find the time. I also want to tighten up the tilt column next.

I've got the fuel tank and lines out of the truck. I'm going to clean up the tank and replace the sender and lines, and that is the last of the rusty tubing under the truck.

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#912616 - 01/12/12 12:01 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Can't let this one just drift to the bottom!

So what's the status Bernie, it's been a while??? No excuses either we want to see progress pics of that dash board. poke laugh

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#912773 - 01/13/12 12:36 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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He's gonna get tired of walking to the gas station's eventually and finish up the dash! He just needs some motivation! -CONSIDER THIS AN INTERVENTION!! WE WANT DASH! WE WANT DASH!
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#913539 - 01/17/12 03:56 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Sixtoes1313]
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lol! I should post that picture of where she drifted to a stop...

The latest progress was that I got some fleece because where I cut the dash to extend it and then filled in with the pour foam, I wasn't able to follow the contour of the dash. There is a very slight concave shape, and by moving the cowl piece away from the main part of the dash, I was unable to follow the compound curve. So I got some fleece and hot glued it across the top of the dash, stretching across the gap. I don't have any pictures yet, but the next step is to cover it in resin so that it holds its shape for he mold. I might have to reinforce it with some glass too though, I'm not really sure.

Other than that, I'm just saving money so I can skim off enough to get my megasquirt and injection parts lmao . Booking the honeymoon and the holidays set me back quite a bit, but I'm getting there.

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#922099 - 03/07/12 01:09 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I need some suggestions.

Where I extended the dash out, I messed up the compound curve.



So I got some fleece and stretched it over. Now it is nice and smooth, but I am afraid that when I put resin on the fleece, it is going to touch the dash just below it (probably ~1/2" gap) and stick... making the fleece pointless. I thought 3M super trim adhesive might stiffen it up, but it didn't help at all. Now I'm thinking maybe just build primer or something. Any ideas? Spray varnish maybe? If I can get it stiff enough and put the top surface of the dash on a vertical plane, I can paint resin on it and that will hold it's shape so I can then lay glass on it for structure.

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#922897 - 03/13/12 08:31 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I've been spending a good bit of time in the garage trying to get a few things off my plate so that I can work on the SS. I bought my dad a utility trailer back at Christmas, but it was rough so I offered to clean it up for him. I disassembled the whole thing, stripped the paint and rust, primed, painted, and started assembling it. I have new plywood for the deck that I need to seal and then just finish assembling it. Once that's out of the garage, I'll have a lot more room to move around.

I also have been trying to outfit the garage to make fabrication possible. I got a bench grinder from Lowes, and also got a buffing wheel to restore some stock tail lights that I picked up for my truck at the yard.





And the one thing that I have been wanting to get for a long time...



Hobart Handler 190 MIG welder, 220V. I put the circuit in last night and bought the bottle this past weekend. I cut an old mower blade in half and welded it back together twice, and I think I did a pretty good job for someone who'd never MIG'd before, and only TIG'd for about 10 minutes. I got a pretty, stacked bead on top, and on the second try I penetrated the whole way through and had a tiny bead on the back side. I got it at Tractor Supply, along with the rest of the welding equipment (mask, etc) with a 10% off coupon. Even before the coupon, it was cheaper than any online site (even before you added shipping).

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#922899 - 03/13/12 08:42 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Looking good Bernie, those are the two main things that I am wanting to get still. I want the buffer so I can try and buff all my old chrome on the car back from the dead. I looked at the same one at tractor supply a while back. I need one so I can do my spare tire delete plate and notch the rear frame. That buffer sure did bring that light back to life.
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#922901 - 03/13/12 09:19 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 406monte]
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If you do get the bench grinder, get the buffer wheel and compound from eastwood. Get a "loose" buffer wheel. I found info by searching "polishing tail lights" and there was a website where the guy did the entire rear light assembly on a 3rd gen trans am. I just did what he did, but I also had to wetsand with 2000 grit to get some of the more stubborn spots. Then I did my headlights and marker lights and the front looks much better. It's nice being able to wetsand in the utility sink under running water lmao

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#922904 - 03/13/12 09:50 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thanks for the info. Have you tried to do any old chrome or aluminum pieces with it? I have all my SC trim that I want to polish?
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#922906 - 03/13/12 09:57 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 406monte]
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No but I could try the bumper of my truck or the grill and take a few pictures.

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#922912 - 03/13/12 10:47 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Could you Bernie, that would be great. I just want to get an good idea of how they would turn out from being so so shiney to mirror shiney I hope.
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#922977 - 03/13/12 06:52 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 406monte]
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It did a LOT better than i thought it would. Its not perfect like the day it comes out of the chrome tank, but i guess it depends on how bad your trim is. Do you have a picture of what you want to buff out?

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#922981 - 03/13/12 07:11 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Well, basically all the lower door and fender trim on my SC also the window trim both front and rear.
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#923743 - 03/18/12 07:48 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 406monte]
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#923745 - 03/18/12 07:50 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#923749 - 03/18/12 08:05 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Nice work Bernie, you should be pretty proud of those welds. Looks like you got nice penetration and they look nice. That thing should hold up for ever.
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#923753 - 03/18/12 08:28 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 406monte]
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That really should help you out a lot with all that added leverage! I kinda thinking you lost your man pedal though... laugh

It's nice having a welder for those small fab jobs.

Good job Bernie!

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#923817 - 03/19/12 07:39 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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That really should help you out a lot with all that added leverage! I kinda thinking you lost your man pedal though... laugh

It's nice having a welder for those small fab jobs.

Good job Bernie!

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lol! Better than loosing my left knee! It hurts whenever I drive that car for more than 45 minutes or so, and I test drove a C5 a couple weeks ago and felt the way it is supposed to feel. The C5 felt like the pedal was very easy to hold in once you got it down, and it was easier to get started too. Hopefully I got mine worked out the same way. I'm going to try to figure out a way to test it in the car before I finalize anything.

Thanks for the compliments guys smile

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#923994 - 03/20/12 07:22 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#923999 - 03/20/12 07:56 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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cool man , your car has always been one of my favs. is the new dash going to be fiber glass or carbon fiber ?
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#924017 - 03/20/12 10:54 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: jarid]
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It will be fiberglass. And thanks!

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#925052 - 03/26/12 07:43 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#925789 - 03/31/12 03:19 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#925791 - 03/31/12 03:24 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Not sure why the video wont embed...

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#925878 - 03/31/12 10:48 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Its because that pedal is too light!! Thats why!! Nice work though! I might have to copy your set up to see if I can ease my pedal. Glad we got her working again. I need to bring the real racecar next time I head up there
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#925910 - 04/01/12 09:17 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: Sixtoes1313]
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Yea you do. Its coming back out to paint, ill trace out the last pedal bracket and i already have the template for the firewall bracket

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#926869 - 04/07/12 12:36 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Took the SS out to a paper chase yesterday and my pup got her forst ride in it. She had never ridden in anything that loud, but she seemed to be fine.



Today my buddy Don came over to help with the dash project. He used to work for a custom jet ski shop so he knows his 'glass. I couldnt take pictures throughout the process, but here is where we stopped for the day.








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#926885 - 04/07/12 02:04 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Well done Bernie !!! I’ve never had a car you could push the clutch in that easily . One of the reasons I don’t have one , old and bad knees . I only drove sticks for years . You and Adam are both a trip , don’t change , I enjoy it ……. Hey , I love that dash . If something comes up and you don’t like the out come , which I doubt !! If you need a new one and Ron doesn’t want it , I have one , we’ll talk .
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#926891 - 04/07/12 02:45 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: Hey-O]
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Thanks Ulli! I was kinda worried about needing a backup plan in case this doesnt work out well in the end. After today, my hopes are up, but that could just be from breathing the fumes!

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#927119 - 04/09/12 07:44 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Seems like one step forward, two steps back. I went to pull the car back in the garage and heard a loud metal on metal bang when the engine fired, and another when it shut down. I fired it back up to see if I could track it down, and noticed the crank pully wobbling. So I removed the pully and rigged up a dial indicator to see what the runout was.







A good 20 thousandths of runout, so I guess it's time for a new pully.

Removing the pully allowed me to remove the cover for the timing marks that was on the damper, and then I noticed that the outter ring of the damper was loose from the inner hub, and could be spun as it screwed on or off the hub... so I pulled that.





So I need a new damper. This one was like 2-3 years old, Summit brand. I guess I'll be going with ATI this time around. That's gonna hurt the car fund frown IDK if the cover might have prevented air flow on the damper and it got hot or what, but the next damper will have timing marks engraved on it so I don't have to use the cover.

In the process of removing the damper, I managed to gack up the threads in the crank like a total idiot, so that's going to have to be drilled out to 1/2" more than likely. If you pay close attention to the pictures, you can probably figure out my bonehead move. frown

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#927214 - 04/09/12 05:28 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Ouch man....Don't even say you didn't put the spacer into the harmonic balancer hole first????

Also That's not an accurate way to measure TIR Bernie. Mount the pulley then set up on it and spin the thing.

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#927254 - 04/09/12 09:55 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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AHA I KNEW the noise was in the accessory area!... unfortunately it a little bit of a pricey fix. Theres alot of nice small block balancers floating around- I'd look used before buying new
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#927300 - 04/10/12 06:07 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: Sixtoes1313]
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Ron, wouldnt that still be able to tell me if the pully is bent on the mounting face? It was very consistent while i spun it a few times.

And yes on the spacer.

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#927313 - 04/10/12 09:21 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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You can't be getting accurate numbers like that. I would want a measurement closer to the belt also. When it's bolted down things could change a little as it's tight to the water pump face. It might be even worse then depending on the water pump TIR? But I never have indicated a pulley. I have used laser alignment on some long corvette belts in the past though. Along with a belt tension tool to measure the frequency of the belt in hertz to manufacture specs.

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#927337 - 04/10/12 01:11 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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This is the crank pully, but I get what you are saying now. I could bolt it back up to the hub of the old damper, but I can't think of a very good way to rotate it other than just assuming the backside of the hub is normal to the axis of rotation and spinning it on a steel plate... which probably isn't all that great either.

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#927341 - 04/10/12 02:04 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Yes I knew it was the crank pulley but for some reason I wrote water pump.....LOL

I really don't think those parts are that tight in the beginning. I would get a new harmonic balance wheel and then check it out on the crank. Just pull the plugs and rotate the crank with a socket. If you have .020 TIR I would think that's damn good.



Edited by 1 Slow SS (04/10/12 02:10 PM)

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#927352 - 04/10/12 04:04 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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lol, sounds good. I suspect it could be higher than that, as that was indicated very close to the center of the pully. It might end up being quite a bit more out at the grooves if it doesn't straighted up when it's clamped down by the bolts.

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#927900 - 04/14/12 06:53 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Hell Bernie, you can feel mine wobble a little with your finger when the engines running. Just turns some old v-belts, I wouldn't worry about it. I also have one of those covers on a stock balancer and haven't had any issues for the couple years it's been on there.
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#927901 - 04/14/12 07:31 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: 84supersport]
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Man. See that puller in....bad bad boy. I used sevral summit balancers all did the abot same length of time. Ati
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#928015 - 04/15/12 10:30 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: pazzo1969]
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Adam and Doug (Sixtoes and sicmonte) came over yesterday because Doug was in the area. We had a little shop day and got a stock balancer installed. Thanks to Mark (benchseatracin) for the screamin deal on the balancer!! The new bolts that I got weren't threaded far enough and the shoulder would have hit the threads before the balancer was seated. The stock bolt went back in after cleaning up the thread, and torqued to 60 ft-lbs. I might still get a 3" bolt and see if the shoulder isn't too long to install that.

The pulley still wobbles a bit, but the balancer doesn't wobble at all so that's good news.

Can't wait for the next shop day with my bros! We are planning a get together/car show/shop day at doug's shop at a date TBD, but probably after mother's day (and the OC cruise). Anyone is invited smile

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#928016 - 04/15/12 10:37 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Adam and Doug (Sixtoes and sicmonte) came over yesterday because Doug was in the area. We had a little shop day and got a stock balancer installed. Thanks to Mark (benchseatracin) for the screamin deal on the balancer!! The new bolts that I got weren't threaded far enough and the shoulder would have hit the threads before the balancer was seated. The stock bolt went back in after cleaning up the thread, and torqued to 60 ft-lbs. I might still get a 3" bolt and see if the shoulder isn't too long to install that.

The pulley still wobbles a bit, but the balancer doesn't wobble at all so that's good news.

Can't wait for the next shop day with my bros! We are planning a get together/car show/shop day at doug's shop at a date TBD, but probably after mother's day (and the OC cruise). Anyone is invited smile


Yes anyone on these boards is invited...but they have to show up in a hot rod!! And yes I consider a modified monte a hot rod...lol. If all goes well there should be some wicked pro-touring and race cars coming.


Edited by SicMonte (04/17/12 10:53 AM)
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#929213 - 04/23/12 12:17 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SicMonte]
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Made some mounts for the dash since its 4" further from the firewall. I think i might triangulate some. I test drove it, and even without the screws in the defroster vents, its pretty sturdy. The console will help too.











I also chopped up the original gauge cluster housing so it fits in the modded dash. The dash will need to come out for more glass, but at least i can put a speedo in it and finally drive the car again.


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#929241 - 04/23/12 04:08 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Pssh, you don't NEED a speedo to drive the car (Or a working gas gauge if it comes down to it couch )


The new dash is coming along! When are you going to start cutting into the firewall? smile
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#929307 - 04/23/12 11:37 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: SS Ninja]
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Well it's got a good look through the windshield. Kinda reminds me of the mid 90'S F body's.

I would like to add my constructive twocents.....

I would remove the pointed edges that meet into the door panels. That whole outward sloped end on each side of the dash should be inverted. Then it would conform into the door panel reveal better IMO. And free up those window switches a bit.

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#929314 - 04/24/12 12:00 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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Well it's got a good look through the windshield. Kinda reminds me of the mid 90'S F body's.


I thought the same thing when I saw that pic.


Originally Posted By: 1 Slow SS
I would like to add my constructive twocents.....

I would remove the pointed edges that meet into the door panels. That whole outward sloped end on each side of the dash should be inverted. Then it would conform into the door panel reveal better IMO. And free up those window switches a bit.


Nice idea! Since you're glassing it anyway, it's probably easy enough to cut it back 1-2" and make a gentle curve instead of the triangle point that it has now.
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#929494 - 04/25/12 06:00 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 3/26/12 [Re: TPI Monte SS]
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Well i get checked by MP's every day to work, so id need one for that lol.

I agree about the ends, i might just get rid of the flare, ill have to stare at it for a while and see what i come up with.

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#932899 - 05/21/12 08:04 AM The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I was driving the SS the other day and realized how uncomfortable the seat was and that there was a metal rod digging into my hip. I have another set of buckets that are faded, but I figured I'd put that back in as it turns out it had a lot better support. While the seat was out, I figured I should fix the inner mounts, since my car was originally a 1-piece bench and now I have a welder. So out comes the other seat and the carpet. And then I see this...



And a bit later I have this...



After trying to make a patch panel, I realized that witout a bead roller, it's going to be too flimsy. I think I'll order a floor pan or find a used one and just replace the whole section.

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#932902 - 05/21/12 09:05 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I think Anthony had to do the same thing to his car. frown
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#932932 - 05/21/12 12:42 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: 86ttop]
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How is that pinch seam at the firewall attached? Are there spot welds behind the AC box or what?

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#932939 - 05/21/12 01:28 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Yes indeed that looks inviting laugh ..... I would just lift the body up while you're into it Bernie. Then the body mounts and frame mounts could be hit in one shot then you're done with the under body repairs. I'm certain the floor pans need attention else where too.

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#932953 - 05/21/12 04:30 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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im afraid to look at mine.....
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#933009 - 05/21/12 09:57 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SicMonte]
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#933042 - 05/22/12 05:27 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: ls1_monte]
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Youre right Ron there is more rot in the trunk pans. I was hoping to get better at welding and wait till winter to pull the body off so i can drive it this season. The frame needs modification when it comes out too. Plus that way i can save some more money so the project doesnt stall out.

I tried to practice MIG welding on 20 gauge last night so that I can dial in the machine (Hobart Handler 190) and figure out what I'm doing. I was able to get it down to where I could weld a 1" bead without blowing it out on a solid piece (not welding 2 together), and get great penetration on the other side. It kept popping and spitting though, especially starting on cold metal. If I started/stopped, it sounded pretty good by starting on the red metal. I'm using .035 wire with the heat on 1 or 2 out of 7 (both seem to work about the same... wishing it was a rheostat now instead of a dial) and the wire feed on ~17 out of 100 and 75/25 Argon/CO2 gas set on 21 cfm(?) when the trigger is pulled. The ground is good, I wire brushed the clamp and took a flap-disc to the base metal (which is a section out of an old tailgate). My buddy said that .035 is a thick wire to heat up without burning through the 20 gauge, so I'm going to pick up a small spool of .022 and see how that does, hopefully tonight.



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#933060 - 05/22/12 09:10 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Hello Berine,


That popping can be frustrating as it usually burns through in that moment on thin metal. I run the smaller wire myself but with about 30-35 feed on the same welder.

Gas quality can be the deal breaker also. I had the same issue not to long ago that came out of nowhere, it was the gas quality.


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#933063 - 05/22/12 09:45 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#933095 - 05/22/12 01:18 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SicMonte]
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teach me your ways master....teach me your ways....


You're the man with the BG yellow funnel.... lmao

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#933096 - 05/22/12 01:23 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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I stopped by NAPA with a buddy and figured I'd ask about MIG wire, and they had it. Only .030 and .035, but he's getting the .022 in later today for me. He's also getting in spot weld drills, so that saves me a trip down to Keen. I ordered the floor pan from a local place this morning and that should be in this week sometime, and it was $50 cheaper than Summit after the truck freight smile

Ron - I know what you mean. The back side of my sheet looked like a porcupine from all the wire blowing through and then arcing on the side of the hole. I hope it's not the gas... I have 90% of the bottle left and it was working great on the 3/16" plate I was welding. I checked the flow and cleaned the tip. I did find a big piece of slag in the tip but after cleaning it out it didn't seem to have made much difference. I was watching OCC on TV the other day and when they MIG sheet, they have a smaller nozzle, and they stick it right on the base metal... no stick-out at all. It also looked like the thinner wire. That gives me a few ideas to try out. It definately seemed to work a lot better for them than it does for me.

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#933099 - 05/22/12 01:28 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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30-35 with the smaller wire, and what do you use on the heat?

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#933102 - 05/22/12 01:40 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Mine I run #1 for sheet metal. But if you run a continuous bead you will warp it on body panels. And or burn through if butt welding two pieces. I stagger spot welds every inch then come back and hit them in the center and repeat the process on body panels. Floor pans you can throw a bit more at it lets say one inch stitch welds with no bad outcome due to the thicker gauge and multiple plies of material.

Once you get the feel on the machine you're assessment abilities will be quickly learned.

And for sure if your too fare off the substrate the shielding gas can't do it's job too well.


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#933104 - 05/22/12 01:58 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I stopped by NAPA with a buddy and figured I'd ask about MIG wire, and they had it. Only .030 and .035, but he's getting the .022 in later today for me. He's also getting in spot weld drills, so that saves me a trip down to Keen. I ordered the floor pan from a local place this morning and that should be in this week sometime, and it was $50 cheaper than Summit after the truck freight smile

Ron - I know what you mean. The back side of my sheet looked like a porcupine from all the wire blowing through and then arcing on the side of the hole. I hope it's not the gas... I have 90% of the bottle left and it was working great on the 3/16" plate I was welding. I checked the flow and cleaned the tip. I did find a big piece of slag in the tip but after cleaning it out it didn't seem to have made much difference. I was watching OCC on TV the other day and when they MIG sheet, they have a smaller nozzle, and they stick it right on the base metal... no stick-out at all. It also looked like the thinner wire. That gives me a few ideas to try out. It definately seemed to work a lot better for them than it does for me.

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When ytou do the floors please call me so I can come up to help. I want to "practice" on your car...lol
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#933112 - 05/22/12 03:06 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SicMonte]
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#933113 - 05/22/12 03:22 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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think Something tells me that's a bad idea flux core boy lmao


funny thing is this...I can't mig for anything...but I can tig just fine.
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#933144 - 05/22/12 08:36 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SicMonte]
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Thanks for the advice Ron! That was 100 times easier! I set it on about 32 and it looks good to my untrained eye at least smile

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#933153 - 05/22/12 09:30 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Looking good Bernie! I have a parts monte that has solid floors and trunk ect if you end up needing any pieces.
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#933164 - 05/22/12 10:31 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: Onebadbowtie86]
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That .35 wire is killing you... I run a .30 and im able to do sheet metal with it on the lowest setting on my lincoln 140 and crank it up and it does 5/16 with no problem.

Looks like your spot welds are still a bit to hot. That dark color change tells me its about to blow through when you cut the trigger off.
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#933166 - 05/22/12 10:40 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: Jameson]
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You mean the ring around the HAZ? So less trigger time? Its already on heat setting 1.

I got the outer seat mount off the floor just now.



I might blast it at work tomorrow and hope the rust isnt too bad...

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#933167 - 05/22/12 10:42 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: Onebadbowtie86]
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Looking good Bernie! I have a parts monte that has solid floors and trunk ect if you end up needing any pieces.


Thanks Jason, i have a pan ordered for this side, but ill let you know if I end up needing anything else smile

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#933260 - 05/23/12 07:42 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Dear lord what have i done???

That seat mount cleaned up without any rot-through, bt there are pits where the rust was. Should i just prime it and weld it to the new pan?

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#933405 - 05/25/12 08:55 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Picked this up yesterday...



Here's the spot weld drill that I got from NAPA. I drill a little pilot hole with a second drill and then use the spot weld drill.







I drill the spot out with this and then take a chisel and hammer and try to seperate the brace from the floor. It is so hard to find some of those spot welds!

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#933406 - 05/25/12 08:58 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Should I use epoxy primer to prime the bare metal? Is that different form self-etching primer?

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#933407 - 05/25/12 09:03 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Bernie,
Max adhesion is etch primer. But most primer sealer has phosphates that promote very good adhesion. I etch prime for piece of mind. Is it necessary?? I don't think so with today's high grade sealers. But I still do as I'm a creature of habit. laugh

BTW I read every PDF on any product that I use. I don't trust the word of mouth. I have been given information from so called pros. In many cases they were completely wrong from the manufacture recommendations.


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#933431 - 05/25/12 11:16 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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Try using a flap wheel with a light pressure to remove the paint/primer, usually the spot weld will show up as a low spot.
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#933441 - 05/25/12 12:08 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: ls1_monte]
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Thanks for the tips.

I'll look for some primer this evening. I have the driver side seat mount off to sandblast too.

I was trying scotch brite which was only a little helpful, I guess it knocked off the paitn even in the low spots. I also found that the red scotch brite is almost the exact same color as my floors (the original oxblood) lmao Where is that pad again?? think

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#933574 - 05/26/12 06:52 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Got a bunch of the floor out today. Going to take more out by the tunnel, i just wanted to get the spot welds on the rocker out first.





I painted the one seat mounted with self etching primer, can i weld it back on like that or do i need weld through primer?

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#933637 - 05/27/12 11:38 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I would assume Weld through primer is best- as its made for it...but if you hold the welder on there long enough it'll burn through it ;-p !! Your going head first into this one- I love it. lol
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#933730 - 05/28/12 02:38 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: Sixtoes1313]
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#933802 - 05/29/12 01:34 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/21/12 [Re: Sixtoes1313]
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Scared to pull my carpets... Looking good.
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#933995 - 05/31/12 06:52 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/31/12 [Re: jaywos]
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I got a little time in last night and started trimming the new pan to fit. I had to hammer and dolley a relief in for the exhaust. It still needs a little work there, but not too bad for my first time with a hammer and dolley.



I still have a bit more trimming to do and I need to get some weld-through primer. Overall, I think the pan fits pretty well so far.

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#934294 - 06/01/12 09:29 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/31/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Make sure to COVER the glass and stuff- Its very easy to get Weld slag on. I have some slag burns on the inside of my front windshield from patching my floor and being careless. Looks great so far though
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#934299 - 06/01/12 09:49 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/31/12 [Re: Sixtoes1313]
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Thanks for the advice Adam. I made sure to cover the windshield with cardboard.

I LOVE the sandblaster!! This picture makes it look easy, but the pitting was very bad on the battery tray and it took a while.




Here is where i got into the support while drilling the spot welds out. I wish i would have ground them all like i did by the kick panel.


And here is after i welded the holes shut


I tack welded a long scrap of sheet metal in the frame rail to protect the fuel line.

I also got the floor fitted very well and it should go in tomorrow. I have to add one small piece of metal to fill a gap so I'll do that and then trim it before starting to weld in the floor pan.

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#934300 - 06/01/12 09:57 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/31/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Good work Bernie. Keep at it & it will be looking great in no time.
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#934373 - 06/02/12 05:12 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 5/31/12 [Re: Monte_ExpreSS]
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Well today so far has been one step forward two steps back. I knew the rocker had a little rust in it here, but i didnt know how far it went...





Primed the support underneith with cold galvanizing compound.



Tried to make it one piece at first



Ended up cutting it in half



I also had to add a little to the pan where i cut it too short. I'll trim this down after i make a new scribe.









I was really hoping to have the floor in today frown

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#934443 - 06/03/12 11:24 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Got the rocker finished today and now im about to start on the floor. I need to drill for the plug welds and trim that one spot i welded on first. I have a buddy coming over too so maybe we'll make good progress.



I really surprised myself at how well i got the patch to fit before I started welding it in.


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#934795 - 06/06/12 08:05 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Started welding in the pan last night.

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#934798 - 06/06/12 08:22 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Keep up the good work Bernie!
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#934807 - 06/06/12 09:37 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: 1984Monte]
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Great job, keep up the good work! thumbs

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#934812 - 06/06/12 10:18 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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looking good!!

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#934929 - 06/07/12 09:20 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: CruizinKev]
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nice, started the same work on mine yesteday

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#934941 - 06/07/12 12:01 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: Semper]
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Thanks for the encouragement guys!

Semper, when at all possible, grind the spot welds off instead of drilling them! It saves a ton of work later. I have to re-use my floor braces though, so I couldn't grind them up.

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#935076 - 06/08/12 10:34 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#935387 - 06/11/12 08:09 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: Gruvin]
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Thanks!

At this point, I need to do the driver's floor, the trunk pan, some trunk braces, and fix some body mounts. I'm thinking I should have just gotten a solid roller to cut up, but it's not too late for it to still be worth it. I could also modify the parts car's frame and swap my body onto it when it's ready. I could also mock up the turbo stuff without having any downtime on my car. I know if I can find a solid monte, it would be easier to just have it painted... but I have a big sentemental attachment to my car, and I kinda like doing the repairs. It's just more of me in the car that way, and I'm learning along the way.

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#935389 - 06/11/12 08:24 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I am in the same exact boat as you ^^^ We tore mine down and are currently doing all of the rust repair stuff. It is just worth it to me since it was my first car.
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#935416 - 06/11/12 12:25 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: robs 85ss]
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It's got a coat of paint over the primer pictured here now.

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#935433 - 06/11/12 03:24 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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amazing work!!!
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#935571 - 06/12/12 06:17 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: SicMonte]
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Do you guys reccomend trying to replicate what the factory has here with these spot welds, or do you think i should cut out the whole seam and butt weld in a strip?




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#935578 - 06/12/12 07:24 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/3/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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If it were me I would cut one strip of metal and cap the entire seam. Then from under the car seam seal the entire run after you metal prep it.

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#936545 - 06/20/12 07:25 AM The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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I had some wood laying around from the makeshift cover they put on the pool before we bought the house, so I cut up a few 2X6 boards and made these stands. I'm planning on ordering the front driver's floor pan quarter today so that I can wrap up the floors and move on to the wheel housings and the seam b/w the floor pan and trunk pan.




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#936893 - 06/23/12 03:04 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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These are my lovely body mounts...



Preparing to lift the body off.



Havent started cutting yet, going to get the body off first, but here is what im thinking.

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#936898 - 06/23/12 03:54 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Just gonna toss the idea out there, but if you were ever planning to mini tub the car, this would be a great time.
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Thats why the tape is layed out like that smile

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#936924 - 06/23/12 07:54 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#936930 - 06/23/12 08:43 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: Monte_ExpreSS]
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Somebody got a case of "Whileimatitimightaswell..." poke

Looks good Bernie.
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#936937 - 06/23/12 09:34 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: MC87SS]
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You've awakened a monster...



no j/k, your car doesnt look too bad rust wise, but good work tackling it all, its the fun part!! smile
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#936947 - 06/23/12 10:04 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: MC87SS]
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Somebody got a case of "Whileimatitimightaswell..." poke


Boy aint that the truth... This all started when I wanted to swap seats...

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#937551 - 06/28/12 11:34 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I'm dying to see how the dash comes out.

Good luck on the frame off, Ohh might ne in a couple weeks, Haha. I have the same problem, you work on one thing, find something that you can also.do, it all ads up fast, too fast for most to keep up.

But really good luck with it all.
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Thats why the tape is layed out like that smile

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#937552 - 06/28/12 11:34 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I'm dying to see how the dash comes out.

Good luck on the frame off, Ohh might ne in a couple weeks, Haha. I have the same problem, you work on one thing, find something that you can also.do, it all ads up fast, too fast for most to keep up.

But really good luck with it .


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#937585 - 06/29/12 10:31 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: Snowboi]
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Yeah I would rather have the car solid first and then work on it from there. I'm excited about the dash too, but there are only so many hours at the end of the day that I can work on the car unfortunately.

Made a bunch of progress in the last few nights.

I started by getting a couple of 8' 4X4's and putting them under the body and frame. I put a couple more blocks on the body seam and started jacking the 4X4 from the center underneith. This got the body up a little and I was able to hold it up with some jack stands and a couple more 4X4 blocks that were cut down. Once I got it high enough, I was able to take 3-4' sections of 4X4 boards and use it as a lever. I put one end of the board b/w the body and frame, and rested it on the trans crossmember. Then I jacked up the part that stuck out until I could get the full 8 foot board to go through. This was a pain with the engine and trans still in, and they are going to end up coming out of the frame anyway... but I don't have a hoist and I didn't want to loose time waiting on one. (My damn truck is down again and my buddy with the hoist doesn't have a way to transport it).





Once I got to this point, above, it was a piece of cake. I took the wheel stands that I made and used that to support a little Pep Boys jack, and lifted the 4X4 boards up high enough to get the frame out from underneith.







I learned while putting the chassis back under for the night that I should have just removed the rear springs, as that gives plenty of clearance.

Anyways, 6/12 of the body mount locations look like this...





There was really nothing from the rear axle back holding the body to the frame, and one of the #4 bushing locations is rotted out too... There is also some rot through by the very back of the driver side rear frame horn.

I was planning on sectioning the frame for bigger rear meats like Monte4ever did:

http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=717692&page=1

But now I think I need to consider fabricated rear frame rails, like the ones intended for back halfs.

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#937587 - 06/29/12 11:07 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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That is wild seeing the nose still on and in the air like that. But the enlarged holes will be a easy fix.
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#937592 - 06/29/12 11:48 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: Spider_carb]
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Oh My Bernie...you do have it bad... laugh


WhileImatitis I'm speaking of.


You do realize that you can't make one part of that frame look good, without making everything else around it look worse, right?


I still think the frame part is easier than bodywork and paint though, so at least you have that going for you. Good luck...keep posting progress pics...I'm subscribing now.
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#937593 - 06/29/12 11:49 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: Spider_carb]
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Yeah, I was kinda worried about the stress on the fenders, but I had seen that Monte4ever did his with it still on, and I removed the heavy steel front bumper too. It doesn't really sag if you lift up on it, so I guess it's ok.

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#937594 - 06/29/12 11:50 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I know Lance, I have it bad. I'm treating this as a full on build now (which was always the plan... "eventually". I guess eventually is now), except for the bodywork and paint which is done (and I'm not even 100% sure I'm leaving the body alone(!)).

I think that because I want to hack up the frame rails anyway... I might be better ordering a pair of these:

http://www.swracecars.com/store/Custom-Frame-Rail-OSCARItem_447=10-030.aspx

And have them a little longer where they flatten out under the trunk. That way I can pie cut them to kick them out and hit the factory body mount locations. That would be a much cleaner end result.

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#937595 - 06/29/12 12:00 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Holy cow!

2 things:

1. I'm jealous that there is yet another frame-off build (I need to step up my game).
2. How nervous were you lifting the body? poke


Keep up the good work, man! I'll definitely be checking in on this thread frequently.
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#937597 - 06/29/12 12:11 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SS Ninja]
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The pucker factor was off the charts! There is no good way to lift the front, other than using the engine hoist with a chain to the door hinge bolts or something like that. The seam is so close to the frame aft of the front tires that there isn't much to grab onto. If I had more room, I'd probably have the doors and front clip off first. I just don't have anywhere safe to put them.

The rear is fairly easy. If I would have had a hoist for the front, I wouldn't have been that nervous.

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#937601 - 06/29/12 01:31 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I can just imagine the look on my wife's face if she walked out while I was doing what you were there... laugh And I've been married for over 20 years.

How'd the new Mrs Bernie handle the carnage?
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#937604 - 06/29/12 01:47 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SSLance]
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lmao

Great actually! I couldn't believe it, but I had the body up in the air and needed to figure out how to get the beams above the frame instead of under it like in the first picture, and when she poked her head in the garage she asked me if I needed a hand! She's helped me once before when we swapped the trans in my old S10, but that was something that I needed to get done b/c it was my only means of transportation.

I asked her if she had ever seen this done before, and she said "No." So I said, "Good, because I have no idea what I'm doing so I won't look quite so clueless!" She came right at the best time too, it would have been pretty hard to do it without her. Once I got the beams above the frame and resting on the cinder blocks, I was comfortable with leaving it overnight.

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#937613 - 06/29/12 03:32 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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love love love this......
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#937614 - 06/29/12 03:48 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SicMonte]
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Thanks Doug!

Oh, BTW... look at the picture where I'm pushing on the front tire to roll the chassis out...

Just above my left hand, right in front of the stands at the garage door...

Sarah got me a sawz-all at the local auction the other day! We can take care of your cage wink haha j/k

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#937617 - 06/29/12 04:56 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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lmao

Great actually! I couldn't believe it, but I had the body up in the air and needed to figure out how to get the beams above the frame instead of under it like in the first picture, and when she poked her head in the garage she asked me if I needed a hand! She's helped me once before when we swapped the trans in my old S10, but that was something that I needed to get done b/c it was my only means of transportation.

I asked her if she had ever seen this done before, and she said "No." So I said, "Good, because I have no idea what I'm doing so I won't look quite so clueless!" She came right at the best time too, it would have been pretty hard to do it without her. Once I got the beams above the frame and resting on the cinder blocks, I was comfortable with leaving it overnight.



Young love!!! smile
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#937622 - 06/29/12 05:16 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thanks Doug!

Oh, BTW... look at the picture where I'm pushing on the front tire to roll the chassis out...

Just above my left hand, right in front of the stands at the garage door...

Sarah got me a sawz-all at the local auction the other day! We can take care of your cage wink haha j/k


Dude...I have portable sawzall...cage cutting would be no problem...I just don't want to do it!!!!!
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#937623 - 06/29/12 05:18 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SicMonte]
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#937630 - 06/29/12 06:28 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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So you were able to take the body off the frame without taking the front clip off first. Good to know as I just bought a frame. It is mint condition, had been sandblasted & POR15ed. So i can knotch it, box it, add support to the suspension mounts to support the 450ish hp I'm told I'll have to the rear wheels & put under the car.
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#937654 - 06/29/12 10:23 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: Tunedss86]
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Yes it can be done, but I would recommend removing the nose. Otherwise, the nose has to support the weight of the metal bumper. I guess you could support it otherwise though if all you are doing is a frame swap and it won't be like that for a very long time.

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#937680 - 06/30/12 08:34 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Great build! I love the rims and tires, do you know where I can get them? I can't seem to find them anywhere.

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#937691 - 06/30/12 11:26 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: a/fuelguy]
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Great build! I love the rims and tires, do you know where I can get them? I can't seem to find them anywhere.


Ive looked... From my understanding is there no longer made...

Bernie your making great progress man!!!
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#937703 - 06/30/12 02:05 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: Jameson]
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Thanks guys

The wheels are discontinued. As long as my brakes fit inside of them, they will be getting widened.

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#937718 - 06/30/12 04:41 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#937729 - 06/30/12 08:47 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thanks guys

The wheels are discontinued. As long as my brakes fit inside of them, they will be getting widened.


I found a shop locally that can widen my aluminum wheels. I want to put 315s on the back, so do I need a 10" or 1.5" wheel? And do I have the 8" ones on the front widened to 10/10.5 and have a 6/6.5" backspacing & use it on the rear & put the 9.5" wide ones on the front, or have the 9.5" ones widened to 10.5 & have 6" backspacing & keep the 8" wide ones on the front. Not alot of difference, but a little.
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#937872 - 07/02/12 07:36 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: Tunedss86]
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According to tire rack, you'll want a 10.5 at least. If you go on there and "shop by size" and then put in 315/35/17, you can see all of the different tires. I just looked at the Eagle F1 GS-D3, but pick which one you want and then click the specs tab. It will tell you the rim width range for that size and model tire.

For a 10.5" rear tire you'll want 6" backspacing. I don't know if a 10" wide wheel will fit up front.

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#937876 - 07/02/12 08:15 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I've ben toying with the idea of mini-rubbing the rear as well... My rear frame ends are shot and I figured while I need to fix it I might as well make some room... Lol
Definately let us know which route you take with the rear frame. Good luck!

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#937878 - 07/02/12 08:27 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: 86ssct]
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#937880 - 07/02/12 08:32 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
According to tire rack, you'll want a 10.5 at least. If you go on there and "shop by size" and then put in 315/35/17, you can see all of the different tires. I just looked at the Eagle F1 GS-D3, but pick which one you want and then click the specs tab. It will tell you the rim width range for that size and model tire.

For a 10.5" rear tire you'll want 6" backspacing. I don't know if a 10" wide wheel will fit up front.


I don't think a 10" wide wheel will fit on front either. Question is, will a 9.5" wheel fit up front?

I have 8" & 9.5" wide wheels. So either widen the 9.5 to 10.5 with 6" backspacing for the rear & keep the 8" wide up front.

Or widen the 8" to 10.5" with 6.5" backspacing in the rear & put the 9.5" wide up front.

And thinking about doing something like this in the middle:

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#937905 - 07/02/12 12:19 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: Tunedss86]
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I was thinking about doing something like that as well, as I believe diagonal bracing will have the biggest impact on stiffening the frame. My idea is a little different, but I don't know if it will be feasible yet. I am planning on buying a copy of solidworks with FEA to try it out, but I need to get my 8 year old laptop working again.

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#938212 - 07/04/12 05:20 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 6/20/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I have NX (formerly Unigraohics), I think it has the FEA package, if not I can get it (Since I work for the company that makes the software :-) but no idea how to use it.
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#938323 - 07/05/12 07:08 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/5/12 [Re: Tunedss86]
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Yeah it would take me some time to figure out too. I thought I could get the "student version" which was just missing features, but I heard that you might have to provide proof of being a student to get it. frown

Time for an update on today. I had to dip into the car fund a little for this one, but it was very uncomfortable without it and I think this has made me more productive for sure.



I cut out the left wheel well.







I would have probably made the cuts a little differently if it weren't for the rust underneath, but this allows me to work on the piece outside of the car. I really need to build a welding table, working on the floor still sucks.

The bottom piece here is trash. It's very rusty, and should be relatively easy to reproduce. It includes part of the wheel well piece, which had to be replaced.



You can see the piece that was cut out of the wheel well still attached to the trunk pan.



Tacked in.



This should help me reproduce some of the patches I need. I will probably need to get at least one more set of dies to make deeper beads. I borrowed it from my boss actually.



Overall, it's been pretty slow progress due to all of the rust repair, and the fact that I have been trying to stop and think a few steps ahead often, which will hopefully save me time from screw ups later. I found a great metal supply place not far from home and got a 3X4' sheet of 20ga for $10.

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#938372 - 07/06/12 12:01 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/5/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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LOL, I have an AC in my garage too!

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#938661 - 07/09/12 12:48 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/5/12 [Re: Gruvin]
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All welded up



This shows the relief for the trunk hinge. I don't think the tire is going to hit it, the wheel well narrows a lot by the time you get this high, so it would be hitting in other spots too anyway. Dan didn't cut his hinge down either.



The patch panel that I had to put on the wheel well warped a bit when I welded it up. I guess I got impatient. So I did a little reading and decided to give this a try. I heated up the high spots until there was a HAZ, and then sprayed it with water to shrink it down.



It worked out great, the panel is much straighter now. I also read about hammer welding, where you tack the piece on every 3/4", and then start in the middle of the seam and lay a bead from one tack to the next. Then you grind down the weld to just a hair above the base metal. Then you hammer and dolley the weld to release the stress, which gets rid of the shrinkage and prevents warping in the surrounding metal. Then repeat. I'll give that a try the next time.

And here is what the bottom of the trunk pan looks like, just behind the left rear tire.



I'm hoping to pick up a sand blaster today to see if this can be saved. I also have to blast the insides of the rockers from underneith, and I'll probably end up blasting the entire underside of the car to apply undercoating when it's all done.

I didn't get any pictures, but all three of the panels that connect the package tray area to the floor pan, behind the rear seat, were stress cracked. That will be welded up, and I will be fabricating cross braces out of thin wall tubing to stiffen up that area.

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#939727 - 07/19/12 09:42 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Had an idea the other day and this really works well.



I bent a flange into this piece to weld to the wheel well. This is a test fit before i made the final trim.



Once i had it fitting well in the car, I put a few tacks in it and pulled it out to hammer and dolley the seam as I welded it together. This is where its at now.



And this is the piece of the seam that had a little rust starting inside. I am going to sandblast it a little tomorrow to get the last of it. It looks like it will fit pretty well.



In hindsight, the big piece with the ribs shouldnt have been cut out, but I originally planned to section the floor here for the minitub. The section with the seam could have stayed on too if I had seen the rust in it before cutting the big tub/floor section out. The other side should go smoother knowing what I know now.

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#939749 - 07/20/12 09:28 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Dang Bernie, looks like your becoming quite the fabricator and welder. Nice Work.
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#939754 - 07/20/12 09:52 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: 406monte]
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Thanks Eric smile

I joined the FSAE team at UMD because I liked engines and suspensions and racing, and somehow I became the go-to guy for sheet metal fab. I made some pretty cool stuff with 22ga aluminum and an air powered pop rivet gun.

I'm enjoying this work quite a bit. I think it will really pay off when it's all together.

I ran out my 2lb spool of .023 that I got from NAPA the other day, and got a 10lb spool of .024 from tractor supply. For some reason, it seems a bit harder to get this to burn immediately. There is a bit more spitting sometimes before it gives me a nice buzz. I'm also welding on sandblasted metal in some cases instead of grinded or flap disc'd metal, so maybe that's part of it? Or maybe I need to turn down the wire speed a little bit due to the increase in wire diameter... I'll have to do some playing around tonight. I just calculated the cross sectional area of each wire diameter, and it's almost a 9% increase with the .024".

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#939755 - 07/20/12 10:00 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Yea, that wire size will do it. When I was doing alot of welding in the body shop I worked at we would run into that occasionally. The fix was to slow down the wire speed a hair. This usually gave us a better burn through. I forgot is your welder a 110 or 220 volt?
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#939758 - 07/20/12 10:20 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: 406monte]
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It's a 220V hobart 190, set on 25A for the 20 gauge.

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#939760 - 07/20/12 10:26 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thanks, I am wanting to get the same one for my garage.
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#939763 - 07/20/12 10:36 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: 406monte]
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No problem. I got mine from tractor supply. It was ~$700, but my buddy got a "%10 off your entire order" coupon in the mail, so that got me down to $630 which was cheaper than anywhere online, even before shipping was added. I also got my helmet, gloves (which fell apart), and jacket from there too. Then I bought a gas bottle from the local Keene welding supply shop so I don't have to rent that. The welder came with the gas hookup kit.

You'll have to order a "drive roll" (Hobart terminology) from somewhere like cyberweld.com, becaues nobody stocks them (at least not up here) if you want to weld .024" range wire. Mine came in the mail 2 days later, very happy with them. Hobart PN 237338. TSC stocks the tips for .024". The welder comes with 2 lbs of .030 flux core, but I just put that on the shelf.

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#939766 - 07/20/12 10:51 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Cool, thanks for the info. I wonder if they do military discounts? I plan on buying a tank as well.
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#939768 - 07/20/12 11:52 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: 406monte]
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Nice weld & fab work Bernie!

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#939777 - 07/20/12 12:51 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: 84 ZZ4]
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Cool, thanks for the info. I wonder if they do military discounts? I plan on buying a tank as well.


The one here doesn't. Home depot and Lowes do, I think HD might carry Miller. Sears also carries Miller, worth looking into.

Originally Posted By: 84 ZZ4
Nice weld & fab work Bernie!


Thanks Dave!

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#939902 - 07/21/12 10:48 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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That's good to see you dug into it. You will be happy in the end Bernie, great work! thumbs

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#939933 - 07/22/12 11:58 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#939936 - 07/22/12 12:52 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#940001 - 07/23/12 12:47 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: Hey-O]
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very nice looks great! good work!

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#940008 - 07/23/12 07:08 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: CruizinKev]
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Thanks fellows!

Going to start filling in the strip from the minitub hopefully tonight. The wife helped me make a template for the first third of it yesterday.

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#940012 - 07/23/12 08:19 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Bernie, what are you doing to the frame? You moving the suspension mount points inward too? If so, gotta move the mounts points on the rearend?
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#940014 - 07/23/12 09:48 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: Tunedss86]
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I'm not 100% set on what I want to do to the frame yet. I could do something as simple as sectioning the rear tire area for the added clearance, picking up the LCA points in the cut-out area and moving them inboard as well. This would require the axle tube mounts to move in too (which will be required no matter what I do, due to rear wheel interference). The UCA's could remain in place.

Another option is to build custom frame rails from the #2 body bushing back. I can order the rear "over-the-axle" sections to my dimensions, and use straight 2X4 box tubing for the middle rails and the rear crossmember/LCA mounts. I'd be going to coil-overs and a watt's link, with probably a single UCA for a 3-link arrangement.

Yet another option I have been mulling over is a complete custom frame, front to rear. If I go this way, I'd try to get a C5 front suspension and dimensions for the pickup points. I'd have to build a jig for those points and build the frame to accomodate. This would give me improved front end geometry, rack and pinion steering, and room to run wide front tires with C5/C6 brakes on vette hubs/uprights. I'd want an experienced welder to at least watch over and ensure that I'm doing a proper job... and maybe even buy a TIG machine to do it... or just tack it together and have it professionally welded.

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#940083 - 07/23/12 08:35 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Im trying to figure out how to add some stiffening to the lower control arm frame mounts. I have 3" duals with X pipe from Torque Tech. I have about this much room between the muffler & the stock LCA frame mount bracket: |<----->|

I am using offset/offset mufflers as Torque Tech says. Maybe can use center/offset to gain a little, not sure how that will effect the tailpipe fit.

I would love to move the frame rails in & put some 335's out back, No way with the exhaust I have.



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#940088 - 07/23/12 09:09 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: Tunedss86]
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Flowmaster reccomends offset offset, and thats what the factory uses i think. Thats what I have too, but im not very concerned considering I'm going to need a new setup anyway.

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#940095 - 07/23/12 09:39 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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That's what I got. Maybe I gonna have to "un"weld (LOL) some pieces & get them in tighter to the driveshaft tunnel
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#940121 - 07/24/12 07:31 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: Tunedss86]
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Started filling the gap in last night.



In this shot, you can also see where I seam welded the back seat brace and tried to clean up some of the factory welding b/w the two pieces.


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#940270 - 07/25/12 08:52 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Got another ~1/3 of the filler done tonight. There is a bit of a jog in the wheel well where the trunk hinge is, so it was a complicated shape. Without someone to help me, i bridged the gap with painters tape, shined light from behind, and traced the outline. Then i cut it out and transfered that on to a cereal box and tried to see if that fit. After a few adjustments, I transfered it onto metal.



Here is the rest of what I need to replace on this side, including the braces underneith.


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#940303 - 07/26/12 05:24 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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very nice man!!!

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#940365 - 07/26/12 09:49 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: CruizinKev]
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#940391 - 07/27/12 09:56 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: 85_SS]
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One down, one to go! The rest of the work on the driver's side there is rust repair (and a little grinding, I need to find a use for metal dust!). Jason (onebadbowtie) is going to send me some pieces from his parts car, which will be VERY helpful smile





I'm also going to recreate the function of the little brace that connects the trunk hinge housing to the wheel well, but I'm going to do it on the inboard sides.

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#940416 - 07/27/12 04:47 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Lookin good, the payoff will be the meat under those tubs in a rear photo of the car! man that'll be awsome thumbs
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#941835 - 08/10/12 08:13 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: ls1_monte]
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Pluggin away at the other side.














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#941864 - 08/11/12 05:45 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Im lovin it. Ive always been a huge fan of that car. Beautiful
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#942116 - 08/13/12 07:42 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: Bad86SS]
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Cruising along huh? Are you keeping the spare tire well or plugging it off with a flat piece? I want to get rid of mine.
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#942179 - 08/14/12 12:22 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: 406monte]
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I'm going to cover it with a flat piece and center the fuel tank. I'll have to put a jog in the filler neck.

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#942262 - 08/15/12 11:37 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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looks really really good!
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#942312 - 08/15/12 08:49 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SicMonte]
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Nice job Bernie!
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#942359 - 08/16/12 01:10 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: 84 ZZ4]
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Thanks guys smile

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#942360 - 08/16/12 01:22 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Hey Bernie, you are doing such a good job, when you get done, come to Virginia Beach & I'll let you help me do the same. LOL
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#942377 - 08/16/12 04:39 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: Tunedss86]
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haha thanks Scot! It's going to be hard to build another while I'm on the track kicking Doug's butt though! wink

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#942380 - 08/16/12 04:49 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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DAMMIT. I gotta get mine done so I can come play too.
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#942381 - 08/16/12 04:58 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
I'm going to cover it with a flat piece and center the fuel tank. I'll have to put a jog in the filler neck.


You runnin a stock monte tank or a fuel cell?
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#942401 - 08/16/12 08:53 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: ls1_monte]
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4.3 tank from quanta

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#944973 - 09/10/12 10:33 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I ordered the body mount pockets from Conrad Lozier, and here is what came in the mail. (They were all assembled, but I removed the hardware from the cages.)



I ended up sandblasting the paint off of them, as there was a little bit of surface rust under the hardware where the paint didn't reach, as they were assembled and then painted.

Here is what I cut out of my car.



A good bit of trimming, and I had a decent fit. (This was before the sandblasting)



One of the patches welded in.



And finally, I made a patch for the trunk pan section that was rusted out. This is ready to be welded in one night this week.



Once that is done, I can start fitting the body mount that goes under this piece. I am also ready to fit the body mount just behind the passenger rear tire.

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#945132 - 09/12/12 07:38 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#946685 - 09/25/12 12:54 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Modified Conrad Lozier's body mount since I didn't have any of my existing one left to attach this too...



And I have to cap it off, since the mini-tub is occupying the space where this goes.


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#951578 - 11/13/12 07:41 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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All welded up



Capped off the other body mount too



This panel was rusty on both sides, so I had to replace this side too.



Next, the wheel well is ready to go in after a little paint prep. I'll probably POR15 the seam and then grind off the spots where I want to plug weld.

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#951582 - 11/13/12 09:51 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Looks very good,That's next on my to do list. Hey I have a rust free spare tire well.


Edited by DSMonteSS (11/13/12 09:53 AM)

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#951591 - 11/13/12 10:37 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: DSMonteSS]
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Thanks for the offer smile

Mine is rust free as well, but I don't plan on putting it back in. I am going to cap off that spot with a bead-rolled panel and then center the fuel tank to make exhaust routing a little easier with the mini-tub.

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#951605 - 11/13/12 01:00 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte 7/19/12 [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Yup I did the same thing caped it off and made a a few spin's with the bead-roller

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#951995 - 11/16/12 05:45 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Monte88 LS]
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so are you putting all of the electronics in their own box? that's awesome. under my dash is tons of wires, and personally, i hate the fact that they're inside the car. personally i'd put them in a sealed box under the hood near the break booster

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#952044 - 11/17/12 07:47 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: KsCustoms]
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In the box are 5 relays (3 for my fan setup, and 2 for headlights) and a fuse panel. It's really just to support electric accessories that have been added to the car. The box doesn't really reduce the amount of exposed under-dash wiring though. It just provides a nice enclosure which can be un-plugged and removed for service. It also gives a clean solution to pull power for accessories that the stock wiring and fuse panel don't support, like the fans, electric fuel pump, etc.

My dash is 4 inches deeper than stock now, so I have plenty of room under it to mount the box. I do plan on coming up with a different solution for the main power lug supplying the box though. It shouldn't be exposed like that. And it's the one part of the box that doesn't simply unplug.

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#952244 - 11/19/12 12:58 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Nice work!! Just read the whole thread.

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#952266 - 11/19/12 04:32 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: jrherald420]
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Wow, that's a lot to read. haha, thanks!

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#955626 - 12/17/12 02:30 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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good build thread, loving the work

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#957114 - 12/30/12 01:53 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Got the other wheel well welded in. Now i have to fill in the 3" gap and the rear is done.






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#957118 - 12/30/12 02:32 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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That looks great!!! I think your getting the hang of that… LOL .
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#957140 - 12/30/12 05:52 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Lol! Thanks! I have to make a block-off for the spare tire well and make new mounting brackets for the fuel tank. Then modify the filler neck and I can move on to the drivers floor pan and one body mount up there.

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#957402 - 01/02/13 08:20 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Template for the cover panel

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#958180 - 01/10/13 03:45 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Started filling in the gap. First of three pieces mostly welded up here. It's actually all done as I write this, and the second of three is fitted and tacked in.

I also ordered the Energy body mounts, a Woodward Fab bead roller (mostly for the dies) to make the spare tire well block-off and fix the driver's floor, and I found the bolts I need for the body mounts through Fastenal. I have the washers needed to fix the frame as well. Hoping to get a lot done this weekend! All I need is time!


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#958236 - 01/11/13 08:24 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Finished up with the third piece last night. I just have some grinding to do on the welds. (I don't grind them all the way to the base metal, just knock them down some.) So the body portion of my minitub is pretty much done laugh

Next will be making the panel for the spare tire well, addressing the driver's floorpan, and fixing the one #2 body mount up front.

Then I'll start welding the washers in the frame (these suckers are thick! It will be a challenge I think... I might even grind them down some.

There's so much to do to the frame... I'm thinking after I get the washers welded in I might just install new brake/fuel lines and put the car back together and then get another frame to modify or build one from scratch. If I go that route, I'll be talking with my cousin who owns a chassis fab shop.

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#958237 - 01/11/13 08:38 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Looking good! I can relate about "all you need is time". It seems like everytime I start something on the Monte something else take priority over it. That life LOL
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#958239 - 01/11/13 08:43 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Yes, life has a way of getting in the way doesn't it? I was hoping to work on it all weekend, but I have to go to a company party with my wife tomorrow night and probably have to fix my sisters car 2 hours away on Sunday...

Here is the washer size that I ordered from Fastenal. These guys are expensive (~$50 for 16)... I wish I would have asked the price before I ordered more than I needed.




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#958262 - 01/11/13 01:36 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Have you seen this thread?

http://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?95795-Garage-built-Buick-GN

Looks like he's doing something very similar. May want to ask him about his filler for the spare tire well?
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#958265 - 01/11/13 02:01 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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No I hadn't. Wow he sure made that look easy!

It looks like he just put a couple of U beads in his filler. I want to try to use a step die to make something that resembles the main part of the trunk floor. IDK how hard it will be to turn the hard corners though... I'll practice on some scrap first.

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#958368 - 01/12/13 09:54 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Here is what I am going to roll with a step roller.


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#958370 - 01/12/13 09:55 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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That should look sweet, good luck.
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#958392 - 01/13/13 02:07 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I suppose you're getting a whole new respect for custom car builders/welder. Everything that looks like it'd be "easy" on tv always turns out to be ALOT harder/more time consuming then you originally planned. I LOVE What that buick guy did with the rear of his GN. I'd like to tub the next car I build
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#958401 - 01/13/13 10:01 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Ahhh ... Fab work is looking awesome. I see what you were saying about the step roller work now. I have a nice supply of tools from building cabinets for years, that type of work i would make a wood die and heat and beat the metal into it. Never figured i would need a bead roller. Now i have one so, yeah a little easier. Good to see you doing all the work. Pazz
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#958482 - 01/14/13 07:32 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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My wife and I bead rolled that panel last night and it warped a good bit. I don't have a torch at home so I wasn't able to heat it as I worked. I brought it into work today, hopefully I can relax it some. By rolling that pattern, I believe it effectively shrunk the center of the panel. If you try to straighten it, you can see a bow in the edge. I'm hoping I can heat up the edges and then cool them to shrink them down. We'll see.

Adam, yes they do make it look easy on TV, and in most build threads even.

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#958666 - 01/15/13 08:20 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I really wish I had a good torch, the little handheld propane wasnt cutting it. Eventually by heating, working, and quenching the metal and making one relief cut and welding it, it settled down. It would have been a lot easier if I could have gotten the metal red though.

I'm pretty proud of how this turned out. The lines line up with the factory floor really well, even through transferring to my template, then to the steel, then rolling and finally fitting the panel.


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#958674 - 01/15/13 09:32 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Wow.....I have to say that really looks good. The entire project has come along very well. thumbs

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#958677 - 01/15/13 09:56 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Nice work Bernie! That looks factory.
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#958689 - 01/15/13 11:32 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Very nice work!!!!
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#958696 - 01/16/13 12:14 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Nice job, want to make another.
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#958715 - 01/16/13 09:25 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thanks for the compliments guys, that means a lot coming from you guys and knowing how clean your work is.

I was thinking about making more, they'd have to be oversized a bit and trimmed to fit by the end-user. I'd like to figure out a way to avoid warpage when rolling the panel. I was thinking about planishing where the pattern is first and then rolling it.

I spoke with the guy at the local weld shop the other day and I'm going to work towards an oxy-propane setup. That would help me build the clutch pedals I want to offer too.

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#958727 - 01/16/13 10:36 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Bernie that thing came out sick!!! headbang IF you do decide to make more of them put me first in line for one. I think that looks perfect just like the factory trunk.
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#958734 - 01/16/13 11:21 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#958738 - 01/16/13 12:07 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Alright, I'm definately going to make at least one more just to see if my idea for beadrolling without warpage works out. I'm very optimistic. If it comes out well, I'll make a few more. I'll keep you guys posted.

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#958746 - 01/16/13 12:40 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#958765 - 01/16/13 03:31 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: pazzo1969]
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#958804 - 01/16/13 09:27 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Second one. Warped a lot less. It might even straighten out more as its welded and the perimeter shrinks a bit.





A couple spots could use a little filler. I tried to metal bump this as best I could with my hammer and dolley.



It took me about 4 hours to this point. If I had an english wheel i could cut that in half easy. I think my bead rolling helper has lost interest in cranking too frown

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#958851 - 01/17/13 07:58 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I think my bead rolling helper has lost interest in cranking too frown



Aaaahhhhhh..... Young love... laugh

Just be thankful that she ever even started helping out with the cranking in the first place.


Second one looks great, I've got no desire right now to do this mod on my car...but if I did, I'd be in line for a reproduction too.

Curious how stiff the filler panel is the beads rolled in? does it still flex pretty easy or did it stiffen up quite a bit?
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#958856 - 01/17/13 08:18 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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haha, I know. I was surprised she wanted to help at all. Now I'll have to get a power driver for the roller. Oh darn. lmao

I think it stiffened up the panel a lot. Because rolling the inside of the panel pulls that metal in from the outside, it has two "relaxed" states right now, which are slightly twisted from a flat panel. Once it's installed in the car, it will be held flat, and then I can really tell how stiff it is. I'm hoping to install the first one I made tomorrow or Saturday.

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#959244 - 01/20/13 01:30 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Mocked up with self-drilling screws. I need to pull it out,trim one corner off, and paint the edges with weld thru primer. My last rattle can of it clogged up and I can't clear it for the life of me. Shame too, it's about 3/4 full by the way it feels.

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#959253 - 01/20/13 04:35 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Awesome work Bernie - love it!
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#959462 - 01/22/13 07:45 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#959470 - 01/22/13 09:36 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#962113 - 02/14/13 11:14 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#962115 - 02/14/13 11:33 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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awful amateur work... J/K

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#962132 - 02/15/13 09:09 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Hey Bernie, when you coming to VA...... LOL

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#962133 - 02/15/13 09:46 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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lol, thanks guys!

I'm finding it hard lately to get out into the cold garage and push foward.

I'm also trying to figure out a good way to strip the underside and prepare it for POR15. I bought a heavy duty wire wheel for my angle grinder, but it doesn't cut through the paint like I thought it would... I'm wondering if I should figure out a way to get it to a sand blaster.

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#962185 - 02/15/13 07:11 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Bernie, I used a scraper some carb cleaner and then a small torch to heat up the stubborn areas and then hit it with a scraper. I used a quart of Silver POR15 and got two coats on the whole underside.
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#962202 - 02/15/13 10:26 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 406monte]
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Ah...remember those days all too well, even though it was 5 years ago now.



I tried everything...flapper discs, wire brushes, WD40, gasoline, 3m scotch pads...you name it, I used it.

What used to piss me off more than anything was using a wire brush on the grinder to quickly clean the undercoating off, only to then realize it was just moving it from the surface I was working on and depositing it on another surfaces somewhere else on the bottom of the car.

It's worth all the elbow grease though...in the end.



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#962552 - 02/19/13 12:59 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SSLance]
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Bernie, I used a scraper some carb cleaner and then a small torch to heat up the stubborn areas and then hit it with a scraper. I used a quart of Silver POR15 and got two coats on the whole underside.


Never thought about carb cleaner... that works well? I'll have to wait for warmer weather and have the garage door open I'd think.

Originally Posted By: SSLance
I tried everything...flapper discs, wire brushes, WD40, gasoline, 3m scotch pads...you name it, I used it.


What do you think is the best method if you were to start all over again? Luckily, The passenger floor was replaced, so there's a big chunk there that should be relatively easy. I'd like to get rid of the factory paint on it though, and POR15 it.

What I wouldn't do for a lift!!

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#962555 - 02/19/13 01:11 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I was mainly fighting undercoating...which is a nightmare to remove. That and surface rust.

I wouldn't really worry about getting the paint off of it if it was still in good shape. I'd just get it prepped enough for whatever you are re-coating it with to stick to it well.

3M sanding discs on a right angle grinder powered by air would be my weapon of choice, mainly because it is light and can get real aggressive grits of discs then smooth out from there.



And I'd also heavily suggest Eastwood coating products over POR 15 any day.

I'd scuff the bottom, get everything loose off and as smooth as you want it, prep with Eastwood's Pre really REALLY well...then coat with their aerosol Rust Encapsulator then top with Chassis black.

But that's just me. wink
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#962560 - 02/19/13 01:43 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Why Eastwood over POR-15?
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#962563 - 02/19/13 02:02 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I just believe in their products after using a ton of them over the past 5 years. They cost a bit more up front but they way they cover and the way they lay down are impressive to anyone who uses them for the first time. Everything on my car is covered with something from Eastwood except the exterior paint and I haven't had a failure yet.

I've never used POR 15 myself but have read plenty of both positive and negative reviews of it. A downside of it to me is the difficulty of use factor. It also when brushed on doesn't leave as nice of a finish as a sprayed on product.

Just my humble opinion, I know others differ and that's cool.
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#962575 - 02/19/13 04:23 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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^^x2 another vote for Eastwood's products, they work even better than I expected. The chasis black is pretty resistant to hammers and torches, far beyond what I would expect of any paint. They touch up nicely too.
Just expect the epoxy paint to cure 1-2 days until it hardens completely. Where I live it's usually 40-50 % moisture, so your dry times may be diferent.

For removal of gunk I used several braided wire wheels on a grinder, when it got fouled up, I would toss it not a pan w gasoline, and used a cleaner one.
You can get several at Northern Tool, and you will tear them up and toss them, so get several. They will leave the metal practically polished. I would use a paint prep w scotch pads (red ones) after and wipe down, pretty much ready to paint right after it dries.
The chasis black going on bare metal does not need any primer, but you can use rust encapsulator as a primer on areas not entirely down into clean metal.

Another good solvent is oven cleaner, and/or marine solvent. Just careful of overspray floating around, and use in a ventilated area (of course).

I you're doing this rolling on the ground keep using a leaf blower to rid the floors of any wire brush debris. The will stab you right through heavy gloves.
Full head cover like Lance used is a great idea too, I kept finding stowaways in my scalp for an extra day, and I had a cap on..

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#962651 - 02/20/13 07:30 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Wow thanks for the detailed info. guys. I will definitely use the Eastwood products instead going forward. Back when we used POR-15, we thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. But now I see the underside is going to need work again pretty soon, so Eastwood it is. Especially good idea with leaf blower cause I will be on the ground and you just saved me some pain.
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#962653 - 02/20/13 07:40 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SSeabee]
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Wow thanks for the detailed info. guys. I will definitely use the Eastwood products instead going forward. Back when we used POR-15, we thought it was the best thing since sliced bread. But now I see the underside is going to need work again pretty soon, so Eastwood it is. Especially good idea with leaf blower cause I will be on the ground and you just saved me some pain.
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Your underside will need work again, and it was coated with POR15? I have seen comparisons between Eastwood rust encapsulator and POR15, and the POR did better. It's not that bad to apply IMO, but I have never used the Eastwood stuff.

I have a bottle of POR marine clean, maybe I should see if that removes the paint.

Lance, I love those Roloc wheels! I use them to prep for welding, but they wear out quickly and are VERY expensive for how quickly I go through them. The high speed also tends to melt undercoating or thick paint, and then it just smears it around.

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#962654 - 02/20/13 07:48 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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OK, anybody out there that has used both products?
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#962660 - 02/20/13 08:12 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Another vote for Eastwood! I have used both & to be honest, POR15 doesn't seem any different that a standard can of Tremclad but with a bigger price tag. Not saying it's a bad product at all, but the Eastwood Chassis black is more durable & lays on way nicer IMO
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#962661 - 02/20/13 08:27 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I have seen comparisons between Eastwood rust encapsulator and POR15, and the POR did better.



I guess the question is, did better at what exactly?

Rust conversion? Adhering to the coated surface?

The complaints I've heard about POR are that it either peels away from the surface over time or looses it's color.

The first part of that comes down to proper prep which is important no matter what coating you are using. The second is a property of the coating itself.

I treated the Rust Encapsulator like it was a primer. Prepped the surface for paint, sprayed the Encapsulator coating everything, let it set up good and hard then top coated with Chassis black for the finish coat. I have seen zero peeling, anywhere on my car and the the color has held up perfectly as well. In fact, I'm pretty certain that I used Rust Encapsulator as a primer on every part of the car that I took down to bare metal before repainting. All of the small parts I bead blasted first, cleaned thoroughly with Pre then primered with Rust Encapsulator before painting. Probably overkill and spendy...but I didn't want to do it again, and 5 years later, I still haven't had to on anything.

As far as converting rust, I was always taught that in order for rust to happen, it required oxygen...and a complete and thorough coating prevents oxygen from reaching the metal letting rust expand. I didn't have anything other than light surface rust to deal with as far as converting rust though, so I can't really speak to that.
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#962667 - 02/20/13 09:46 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Bernie, I used the roloc wheels and the same thing happened to me, they would heat up and smear the undercoating. I just used a stiff scraper and alot of elbow grease laying on my back.

After I got it cleaned up, I wiped it all down with a degreaser and then a pre-cleaner. Then used the POR15 prep and finally 2 good coats of the silver on it. I had a quart and even had some left over and that was after using it on the bottom of my quarters under my chrome trim and in the back under the lights and bumper cover.
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#962670 - 02/20/13 10:28 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Gas soaked wire wheels* on my big 4" grinder were my final weapon of choice for removing the undercoating.



*for professional use only, kids do NOT try this at home...



At that point, I really didn't care if I set the car or myself on fire...it was on and I wasn't stopping until the deed was done.
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#962676 - 02/20/13 12:36 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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eek One spark is all it takes!

I have heard that the POR15 is better at preventing rust, which is what I really want. I'd like to be able to drive the car whenever and not worry so much about getting caught in a rain storm. I'm not going to daily it in the winter or anything, but I wan't to drive it. I don't care if the underside turns colors, but I've only ever heard of that being a problem for POR15 with UV exposure.

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#962681 - 02/20/13 01:54 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Seeing that test makes me feel good i chose por15. Good find
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#962725 - 02/20/13 07:56 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SSLance]
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Mine is over 3 years old and still looks as good as the day I put it on.

Originally Posted By: SSLance
Gas soaked wire wheels* on my big 4" grinder were my final weapon of choice for removing the undercoating.



*for professional use only, kids do NOT try this at home...



At that point, I really didn't care if I set the car or myself on fire...it was on and I wasn't stopping until the deed was done.


Lance you crazy LOL.
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#963053 - 02/23/13 12:59 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 406monte]
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I use a small propane torch warming up the undercoating and I use a rounded edge putty for fast removal.

On the small left over thin areas, solvent and rags clean it up really nice.

FrankOC tipped me off on this great way to remove undercoating fast.


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#963061 - 02/23/13 03:41 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: 1 Slow SS]
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I use a small propane torch warming up the undercoating and I use a rounded edge putty for fast removal.

On the small left over thin areas, solvent and rags clean it up really nice.

FrankOC tipped me off on this great way to remove undercoating fast.

I agree. Just keep a extinguisherisher close by.
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#963303 - 02/26/13 07:19 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thanks for the tips.

What kind of solvent? I tried the POR Marine Clean over the weekend and it didn't do anything.

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#964166 - 03/05/13 12:18 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Just in case you guys interested in the different rust converters haven't seen it, I'm doing my own little test of Eastwood's Rust Encapsulator detailed here

Big steel deck with previous rust, wire wheeled, wiped with lacquer thinner and one coat of Rust Encapsulator sprayed on topped by a coat of Eastwood's Rubberized Undercoating.

Can't wait to see how well it holds up.
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#964213 - 03/05/13 08:20 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thanks for the tips.

What kind of solvent? I tried the POR Marine Clean over the weekend and it didn't do anything.


I use lacquer thinner and works great.

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#964255 - 03/06/13 12:17 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I had to remove under coating from my frame. I used a braded wire wheel on my grinder. Ro-Locs in smaller hard to reach places. Wiped it all down with Eastwood Pre and then brushed on rust encapsulator finally 2 coats of spray on chassis black. So far so good.
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#964712 - 03/11/13 07:02 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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The weather warmed up this weekend!

I lined the chassis up under the body using a make-sift plumb bob. I used the hole by the left side #2 body mount and the rear body mount that was mostly in-tact. Then I verified by making sure that the rear tires were centered with the wheel lips.



I took one of my washers for the body mount hole repair and put a piece of duct tape over the hole. I marked the center and used that to position the washer directly under each body mount. Then I traced the washer on the frame, and later sprayed primer over it to mark where to cut out.

I pulled the chassis out of the garage and backed it in next to the body.



Then I got to work on repairing the frame.





So that's 2 down, 5 to go. I still need to fix the body at the #2 mounts on both sides, and then I can mark the chassis for the washers there. I couldn't work on the frame or fix the #2 body locations with the chassis under the body though, so I'll have to re-align it again later.

I'll get some more pictures of how I'm enlarging the holes with the jig saw, but it's pretty simple.

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#964720 - 03/11/13 09:02 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#965115 - 03/14/13 08:48 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#6 on the driver side




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#965116 - 03/14/13 09:00 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#6 on the passenger side



I used a jig saw with a metal blade to make radial cuts first. This was done because the jig saw cannot turn tightly enough without knocking them out one section at a time.





There was a very thin spot on the side of the frame rail as well.



So I cut it out.



The hole was filed until the washer fit.



I then used the bench grinder with a coarse wheel to chamfer the edges to promote weld penetration. I used a medium wheel to knock the coating off.



The frame was prepped with a flapper wheel. Here you can see that there is a bit of an angle where the frame jogs upward around the hole for the washer. If I had thought of it, I would have not chamfered the washer around this area to close up that gap some.



Held with a magnet and tacked in place.



Fully welded. Not the prettiest weld in the world... unfortunately there's no easy way to clean the inside of the frame rail, and so the weld gets contaminated. I did one pass to burn off any impurities, and a second pass to get rid of any pores in the weld. This seemed to work pretty well, as there were no pores while grinding the welds down. The angled part of the frame was welded to the washer by making a few passes on just the washer to build it up before welding it to the frame material.



Then I dressed the weld.



Now to fill in where the thin spot was cut out. First I made a template.



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#965117 - 03/14/13 09:01 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Then I cut the pattern out of a piece of 1/8" bar stock that I had laying around.



Tacked in and then I used a hammer to shape it a little closer.



All finished!


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#965144 - 03/14/13 10:52 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Very nice work!! The jig saw trick with the relief cuts...did you learn that in wood shop in high school? laugh

Getting the hole of the patch washer in the exact right spot to match the body is what I'd be most afraid of on a job like this. I'm not sure how much margin for error there is there never seeing the bushing come off the frame, but it has to be pretty tight right?

Hope they all come out as nice as that one for you, it looks fantastic.
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#965175 - 03/15/13 05:44 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thanks Lance!! Lmao! I actually figured it out after breaking the blade twice. They dont let kids take wood shop anymore frown. We got to build towers from raw spaghetti and elmers smirk

I located the holes with a plumb bob and painted over a washer to leave a pattern. There is actually about a 1" diameter hole worth of tolerance but I should be much closer than that. The body bolts have that much play in the body mount pockets.

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#965178 - 03/15/13 07:10 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Looks good, you'll be droppin that body on in no time!
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#965181 - 03/15/13 07:25 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thanks Josh!

Oh, btw Lance, the #6 passenger side looks like I may have placed the new hole in the wrong spot when you look at what I started with, but I also replaced the body pocket on that side too. I tried to get the body pockets as close to original as I could, but I guess I missed the mark a bit. I know #7 on the passenger side is off by about 1/2" or more, but it's fine really because that frame hole was rotted out too.

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#965190 - 03/15/13 08:22 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
They dont let kids take wood shop anymore frown. We got to build towers from raw spaghetti and elmers smirk


WHAT? that is a travesty!! I took 3 years of wood shop in high, it made me what I am today!!

Even back in my Junior year, I was taking on projects to make something better while making it nice at the same time. My dad reloaded his own ammo at the time and kept breaking the tables he attached his reloading press to, so I made a 3' tall 6' long 18" deep butcher block table in wood shop for him. Everyone in class thought I was crazy, but it turned out great and worked like a champ.
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#965191 - 03/15/13 08:24 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Oh, btw Lance, the #6 passenger side looks like I may have placed the new hole in the wrong spot when you look at what I started with, but I also replaced the body pocket on that side too. I tried to get the body pockets as close to original as I could, but I guess I missed the mark a bit. I know #7 on the passenger side is off by about 1/2" or more, but it's fine really because that frame hole was rotted out too.


Well it sounds like you had a plan to get the frame holes where they needed to be regardless. I'm sure there will be a little bit of puckering when you set it down the first time, but if I know you, it'll all work out fine.

Keep up the good hard work.
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#965210 - 03/15/13 10:56 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SSLance]
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WHAT? that is a travesty!! I took 3 years of wood shop in high, it made me what I am today!!

Even back in my Junior year, I was taking on projects to make something better while making it nice at the same time. My dad reloaded his own ammo at the time and kept breaking the tables he attached his reloading press to, so I made a 3' tall 6' long 18" deep butcher block table in wood shop for him. Everyone in class thought I was crazy, but it turned out great and worked like a champ.



Yeah, it is disappointing. I'm sure some kid cut themself badly enough and that was the end of it.

Originally Posted By: SSLance
Well it sounds like you had a plan to get the frame holes where they needed to be regardless. I'm sure there will be a little bit of puckering when you set it down the first time, but if I know you, it'll all work out fine.

Keep up the good hard work.


Yeah, I sure hope it works out. I triple checked each hole and the alignment of the frame with the body, and checked that the rear axle/tires were centered under the body.

One more to do (#7 on the passenger side) and then I'll fix the #2 body pockets and mark the frame for those.

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#965256 - 03/15/13 03:41 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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awesome work!!

I remember one of the kids in woodshop cut about half way up his thumb nail(dead center like he was cutting the nail in half) with the band saw blade.

Wood shop was awesome, we designed & made balsa wood bridges that we broke by pouring sand in a bucket. We also made cutting boards, a small book shelf, and CO2 cars! Those were awesome! I went to UIL regional competition with mine.
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#965268 - 03/15/13 05:26 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Bernie,

Are you plannin to box in your frame rear of the trans crossmember? I've heard pro's and cons and am debating wheather or not to do it on mine. I have the steel here, just not sure.
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#965272 - 03/15/13 06:05 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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No im not going to box it. I definitely would if i was keeping this frame, but there is too much that i want to do to it... I'd might as well build one.

Im putting this together to drive and ill work on the frame while enjoying the car

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#965286 - 03/15/13 07:48 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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No im not going to box it. I definitely would if i was keeping this frame, but there is too much that i want to do to it... I'd might as well build one.

Im putting this together to drive and ill work on the frame while enjoying the car


That's the best way IMO. I plan to build another frame for my car down the road possibly with C4 suspension.

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#967662 - 04/04/13 06:29 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Finished the last mount behind the axle. Now all that's left is the pair of #2 mounts up front.









I also got a new Porter Cable 15" drill press, mainly for my other project I'm working on. Stay tuned for that smile

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#967677 - 04/04/13 08:36 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Good Job Bernie, same way I did mine.
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#968005 - 04/07/13 08:37 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Started on the #2's today. This one (right) was slightly worse than the other. I dont have a starting pic of the left.



Here is the left with the rust removed and cold galv compound.



New metal welded on.



The right had rust on both layers of metal.









And then my $20 angle grinder bit the dust. I've put it through hell so I cant complain.

Anyone have any suggestions for that spot in the rocker structure just rearward of the right mount?

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#968012 - 04/07/13 09:12 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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The last one I had that was about that bad so I hit up a donor car for the whole section. I overlaid the new part on good metal from the bottom staggering the material layers outward. You’ll be a ply thicker in the end but it will be structurally sound.

I see a nice monte in the parts section with real nice floors. Or Jason Onebadbowtie86 might have it??

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#968017 - 04/07/13 09:33 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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If its the passenger side I have a clean complete passenger side pan, Except I cut the rear foot well for the back seat ot of it and the bottom of the body mount. I can get a pic if you want.

Basically a solid passenger front pan.
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#968052 - 04/08/13 07:44 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Yes, its the passenger side, but its only a ~2" spot. The whole pan is new repro.

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#969228 - 04/19/13 01:20 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Another day in the garage...







The body mount work is now pretty much done. I have to fill in that little triangle spot, and grind down that #2 passenger mount, and that's it. The frame is finished and the repaired areas are painted. I also patched a spot in the driver's floor board and have two spots to go. Then I need to strip the underside and POR15 the whole thing. Bend some hard lines for the frame and then I can start reassembly.

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#970725 - 05/05/13 09:35 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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What a miserable two days lol. Tried aircraft stripper on the underside which didnt work very well. It pulled up paint in a few spots but it didnt do anything on the majority. So I figured if that wont get it off, the paint can stay there, its done its job for the last 28 years and its still putting up a fight soi t can stay. Then I broke out my $30 hand held syphon sandblaster and went through almost an entire big bad of black beauty fine abraisive. The main target areas were the driver's rocker area where the frame goes and the #4 body mount area. There was a little scale in these areas but nothing rotted out. I also tried to hit the entire underside to give the POR15 something to bite. I will be using their Marine Clean, Prep and Ready, and then black chassis coat.











I also got a new brake line from the prop to the diff bent up and flared and new fuel supply/return lines bent up.

And I also caught myself on fire with sparks while cutting 1/4" plate lmao


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#970732 - 05/05/13 10:06 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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NOOOOOOooooooooOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo!!!!!!! you killed the farmer bernie-alls?!?! How can life continue! But anyway, the floors look great- can't wait to see em all shiny
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#970750 - 05/05/13 10:57 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Lmao!!! lmao

Oh ill still wear them. (I have them on right now actually.) They just have more character now. You arent a true hotrodder until you catch yourself on fire at least once wink

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#970865 - 05/06/13 07:13 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Inner seat mount for bucket seats.



This is kinda a big deal, because way back on page 7, I opened up a can of worms after trying to install a proper inner mount for the bucket seats. A frame-off later, I finally was able to start on it.

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#970866 - 05/06/13 09:00 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Great job on the progress, that has to feel nice smile
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#970868 - 05/06/13 09:23 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Great job on the floors man. Wow, I can only imagine how messy a job that was, but it will be so worth it!
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#970884 - 05/06/13 12:29 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thanks guys.

Dealing with that aircraft stripper was pretty bad. I had on my coveralls, tyvek coveralls over them, two layers of latex gloves, a third over the sleeves of the coveralls and duck taped, a pair of dishwashing gloves over those, a respirator and a face shield. I don't know if that stuff made it any easier on the wire wheel and sandblaster, but it didn't do as much as I was expecting. The paint blistered up and scraped off in a few spots, but definately less than 10% of the area.

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#970885 - 05/06/13 12:51 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Bernie, what is that big old hole in your trans tunnel for?


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#970890 - 05/06/13 01:09 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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This:



The ZF6 is offset quite a bit to the driver's side. I will be covering that with some sheetmetal after I get the seat mounts taken care of.

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#970897 - 05/06/13 02:23 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Manual shift seems to be a popular project for these cars. I might look into replacing my automatic with one to keep the wife from driving it.
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#970932 - 05/06/13 09:43 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Let me know if you need a clutch pedal setup.

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#970960 - 05/07/13 07:28 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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More progress on the seat mounts.

Here's the pattern used to make the piece above.



And all welded up with a bolt installed.



In place and fitted to the floor.



That ~14ga is too thick to bend easily, so I just welded the next one.


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#970983 - 05/07/13 01:14 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Looks nice and solid good work !
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#971017 - 05/07/13 08:53 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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And I also caught myself on fire with sparks while cutting 1/4" plate lmao



Been watching the progress from afar recently but had to comment on this. As a kid I always asked my dad if those sparks were hot when he'd grind on something, he always said no, stuck his hand in the sparks to demonstrate. A while ago while taking a welding class he came home with the chest of his sweatshirt burned out. We all asked him what happened:

Me: Dad, happened?
Dad: Remember when you were little and asked about the grinding sparks being hot?
Me: Yea, you always said no, they aren't hot.
Dad: I lied lmao

You're doing great work, keep it up! Posts like these always scare me because I know my car must be in similar or worse condition frown

Makes me dread the day that I decide to switch seats lol. I don't think I have the skill to do all the patch work you've done on the body and frame...
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#971020 - 05/07/13 09:20 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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hahaha lmao

Yeah, the sparks aren't hot until there are a lot of them concentrated in one spot for a while. It's really bad if you are cutting a channel in a piece and the sparks are directed by the cut into a stream. I've felt that through my thick welding gloves and had to take it off because it retained the heat so well.

Thanks for the compliments. I've never worked with sheet metal before this, it's all just practice and patience.

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#971135 - 05/08/13 09:38 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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These definitely needed go-faster holes...




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#971225 - 05/09/13 07:36 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Going to fit this and butt weld it for the needed clearance around the trans

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#971343 - 05/10/13 09:23 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#971939 - 05/17/13 04:41 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Marine Clean applied, Sarah helped me rinse it off, now we wait.

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#971942 - 05/17/13 05:07 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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You getting ready to coat the underside and inside of the floor?

If so, what di dy ou decide to use?
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#971965 - 05/17/13 10:14 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Yes, i am going with POR15. The prep and ready was done and rinsed, now it has to dry out again and i can paint.

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#972017 - 05/18/13 01:00 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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What a tedious job... Almost through the forst coat and been at it since 9:30 this morning.

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#972027 - 05/18/13 03:10 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#972140 - 05/19/13 03:34 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Bernie, it looks great already. Man, I remember laying on my back and doing that same thing with it. I was aching for two days from applying two coats. Well, worth it in the end though.
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#972156 - 05/19/13 07:13 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Nice work it will be worth all the effort.
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#972212 - 05/20/13 06:10 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thanks fellows. I still need to install the seat belt boss (or whatever you call it) to the floor on the side with the new pan as well as the brace for the driveshaft loop, but i had the help this weekend to get the paint on, and i wanted POR15 under the big brace anyway. I will just have to take the paint off in a few spots to finish those two things and then re-coat them.

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#973003 - 05/27/13 06:38 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Wilson?

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#973129 - 05/28/13 09:57 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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lmao

That does look remarkably similar...

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#973424 - 05/31/13 09:25 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I guess technically im body dropped now lol.

The body went back on, but not without a fight. What I wouldnt do for a lift an ld a set of those roller skate things. The hardest part was dropping it back down, everything lined up no problem.



Heres the extra room from the minitub. Ill modify a different frame while I drive the car.


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#973427 - 05/31/13 10:20 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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WOOT!!!!
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#973569 - 06/02/13 10:27 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte


I guess technically im body dropped now lol.


Looks good, the por15 looks really good on the inside, never thought of that for inside.
What body bushings are they? Or did you cut them yourself? I'm all about getting my body lower.
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#973575 - 06/02/13 11:13 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Great job bro!! Looks really good!
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#973594 - 06/02/13 02:18 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thanks guys. They are energy suspension bushings with ~0.400" cut off. I didnt want to raise the body from where it sat with the old worn out bushings. I might have some trans clearance issues but I cant really tell until I drive it.

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#973598 - 06/02/13 02:46 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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So, when's the initial test drive? laugh
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#973609 - 06/02/13 03:48 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Hopefully one night this week. I still have a few things to take care of befor i set it on the ground. Need to hook the fuel pump up to the new hard lines, put the exhaust back on, weld on the passenger inner seat mounts and por the welds, tidy up some wiring, put some of those pish in plastic fasteners in the bumper covers, add fluids, and I was wondering about priming the engine since its sat for so long. Maybe just crank it with the coil unplugged?

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#973611 - 06/02/13 05:11 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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<---- needs to get his act together.


I have so much I want to do to my car...but im poor. Fail.
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#973614 - 06/02/13 06:15 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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After seeing all of Bernies pics, I'm realizing just how much of a lifelong commitment this will be, lol.
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#973619 - 06/02/13 07:12 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Doug, I haven't really bought much for parts over the last year. Thats coming up when i switch to EFI but that will be budget minded too. Its all just bee time and effort to get to this point.

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#973621 - 06/02/13 07:13 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Haha yea Mike, this car isnt going anywhere. It would have been much easier to start with a clean one, but I couldnt let this one go.

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#973624 - 06/02/13 07:50 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
Haha yea Mike, this car isnt going anywhere. It would have been much easier to start with a clean one, but I couldnt let this one go.


That would make no sense to cut on a clean car. That's why I did what I did to Slow.

It was hard for me to dump the original drive train for the build I have going now. I often think about putting it back to stock and dumping the LS3 and 12 bolt. But I also had the car since it was new. goodevil

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#973714 - 06/03/13 05:23 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
Heres the extra room from the minitub. Ill modify a different frame while I drive the car.


After you just fixed all the body mounts on this frame? Or are you planning on a heavily modded frame that has more than just a wheel tub?
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#973783 - 06/04/13 09:48 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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The body mounts on the frame were relatively easy, but the next frame will be in good shape to begin with. I am planning to section the rails for the tires, convert to a 3-link, and completely revise the front geometry. Plus box the rails and add cross bracing and LCA bracing at the rear. I might end up using the next frame as a template to create a jig for a scratch built frame. I am a vehicle dynamics test engineer by profession so i'm probably going to nerd out in the chassis big time with simulations and testing.

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#973787 - 06/04/13 11:49 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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SickSpeddMonte: Amazing job.

Good Luck.
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#973869 - 06/05/13 07:17 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Thank you smile

Made some good progress in the last two nights. I should be able to test drive it after installing the brake lines from the master to the prop, bleeding the brakes and clutch, and installing the inner fenders and battery.

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#973880 - 06/05/13 08:53 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Nice!

Let us know how it drives with 50% more body mount to body interaction! smile
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#974019 - 06/06/13 12:57 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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I really thought we would get the car driving last night, but we couldn't get fluid to the rear brakes. I ended up taking the sensor out of the combination valve and trying to re-center the piston, but it was hard to feel anything so IDK if I was able to. Good news is we were able to get fluid to come out of the rear outlet port of the prop valve, but we didnt' go any further than that because it was after midnight and my buddy and I both had to work early today. There was a question as to whether it could be the rear flex line, so I picked up one of those today to have just in case. Tomorrow night we are boarding for a sailing trip, so tonight is the last chance for a week.

I did fire it up last night though. Cranked it for a few seconds with the coil unplugged and got oil pressure. Then it fired right up as soon as it got fuel in the new lines. It sounded so nice to hear that.

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#974022 - 06/06/13 01:03 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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SWEET!!! Don't rush it, make sure everything is right before letting it roll out under it's own power.

How's the clutch pedal feel? laugh
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#974025 - 06/06/13 01:18 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Empty right now, haha. I welded up a bunch of holes in the firewall from previous iterations of my pedal, and now I only have one tear-drop shaped hole which works perfectly. I'll get some pictures of that and my sweet seat mount pedestals. It's the same parts that I was using before the frame off, and I was very happy with the setup so I figured I'll leave it alone. Eventually I will modify my OPG pedal to have the pinch sleeve like my "SSM" pedal does. The one I sent to Dave was perfect when I tested it out on my spare pedal bracket.

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#974375 - 06/09/13 02:57 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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How can I get a pedal setup. Do you have any pictures.

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#974901 - 06/13/13 11:58 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Check out this link.

http://sickspeedmonte.com/Clutch.html

There is an install page too with some pictures. I dont want to post pictures that are so detailed as to give away the geometry that I spent a lot of effort to develop.

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#975855 - 06/24/13 12:23 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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She's back on the road!



Drove it in to work a few times. I'm almost positive that the floor is touching the transmission, so that will take some doing to fix. Other than that, no real issues to speak of.

Feels so good to drive it again!!! laugh

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#975866 - 06/24/13 01:42 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Now come to VA & help me! LOL

Glad you're on the road again, wish I was....
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#975893 - 06/24/13 07:08 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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A lot of hard work!
Congrats Bernie!
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#975911 - 06/24/13 08:51 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
I really thought we would get the car driving last night, but we couldn't get fluid to the rear brakes.

Back when I worked doing brake jobs in high school, we used to have one person step on the brakes hard while another guy opened a line on the opposite end of the balancing valve. This would usually pop the valve back to center without having to chase it back and forth, at least after the initial learning curve.
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#975918 - 06/24/13 09:25 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Right on Bernie!
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#975919 - 06/24/13 09:28 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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#975926 - 06/24/13 11:17 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Looking good Bernie! On a side note, I noticed the rear of your car is sitting much higher then usual? Are those still the A-body springs?
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#975936 - 06/25/13 07:06 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: Jameson]
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Thanks everyone laugh

Originally Posted By: 87_lt1_ss
Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
I really thought we would get the car driving last night, but we couldn't get fluid to the rear brakes.

Back when I worked doing brake jobs in high school, we used to have one person step on the brakes hard while another guy opened a line on the opposite end of the balancing valve. This would usually pop the valve back to center without having to chase it back and forth, at least after the initial learning curve.


We tried just stomping on the brake, but never while opening the front system like that. The rear brakes will lock up now, but it feels like the fronts aren't getting much power. When I bled the master, I would get a stream from the rear line the whole time I pushed the pedal. The front line only had pressure for the first half of the pedal it seemed. Then I submerged the lines coming from the master in the reservoir and got some more air out so maybe it was just sucking in air the whole time or something. I did actually remove the prop valve and that little piston in the middle under the electrical switch appeared to be centered. I think I may need to bleed the fronts more.

Originally Posted By: Jameson
Looking good Bernie! On a side note, I noticed the rear of your car is sitting much higher then usual? Are those still the A-body springs?


They are the A-body springs, same as in this pic:



(My driveway is pretty uneven there too.)

I do wish that it sat lower in the rear with these springs, but I think that part of it may be due to the LCA relocation brackets pushing the rear end back, which makes the springs go in kind of crooked. They definately aren't as low as the cut IROC's in this pic:



The next chassis will be getting coil-overs so that I can set her just right smile

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#975943 - 06/25/13 09:02 AM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Nice to see it back on the road!

So what's next for projects?
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#975957 - 06/25/13 12:28 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Finish the dash board, insulate the floor, paint the interior and put it back together. Then I want to work on making the car more comfortable. It has an issue with the clutch/trans where there is no torsional vibration damping due to the setup. That makes it make a terrible sound at around 2k RPM which is harmless, but I can't make myself drive through it. I need to get a new clutch with a sprung hub to fix that.

After that, I want to get another frame and start modding it or fabbing a scratch-built frame. There will be a lot of measuring and modeling of the suspension to get it to handle well. It will be stronger and stiffer than stock to handle the power for the next phase, which involves EFI and twin turbos.

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#975962 - 06/25/13 12:59 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Speaking of measuring, have you seen Lance's thread on p-t.com?

http://www.pro-touring.com/showthread.php?98063-Need-a-little-help-figuring-something-out

It gets really good about half-way in.
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#975964 - 06/25/13 01:10 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Yeah I read through it quickly the other day. That will be really exciting if they come up with an affordable steering knuckle that fixes the camber behavior.

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#975989 - 06/25/13 05:02 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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The measuring is set to commence after my next autocross this Sunday... I'm pretty stoked to say the least.
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#975997 - 06/25/13 06:37 PM Re: The SickSpeedMonte [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
Yeah I read through it quickly the other day. That will be really exciting if they come up with an affordable steering knuckle that fixes the camber behavior.



Definitely!

Of course, then I'll have to weigh the performance increase versus cost to replace everything that. I. Just. Bought. Damn...
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