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#848287 - 01/18/11 04:03 PM NEED TV CABLE HELP! FROM ALL EDELBROCK CARB GUYS
Bad86SS Offline
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Registered: 01/24/10
Posts: 367
Loc: Kentucky
IVE POSTED THIS A LONG TIME AGO, BUT HERE'S MY PROBLEM. I HAVE A FRESHLY REBUILT TRANNY AND IVE RECENTLY RE-DONE UNDER MY HOOD. MY TRANSMISSION GUY SAID I HAVE TO BUY A $250 CORRECTOR SYSTEM FROM BOWLER TRANSMISSION (ILL POST A LINK LATER, IM AT WORK) AND HE SAID ITS THE ONLY WAY OF CORRECTLY HOOKING UP MY TV CABLE WITHOUT FRYING MY TRANNY. THERE HAS TO BE OTHER WAYS BECAUSE EDELBROCK CARBS ARE VERY POPULAR AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ALL DIDNT BUY THIS $250 PART. WHAT CAN I DO? I WANT TO DRIVE MY SS ASAP (ITS BEEN PARKED CLOSE TO A YEAR NOW). ANYTHING HELPS, ESPECIALLY PICS. 600 CFM ELECTRIC CHOKE (#1406) CARB IF THAT HELPS.
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#848308 - 01/18/11 06:22 PM Re: NEED TV CABLE HELP! FROM ALL EDELBROCK CARB GUYS [Re: Bad86SS]
twinturboSS Offline
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Registered: 10/22/08
Posts: 238
Loc: Houma, Louisiana
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-8031/
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EDL-8018/
time to find someone that knows what they are talking about.

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#848341 - 01/18/11 08:35 PM Re: NEED TV CABLE HELP! FROM ALL EDELBROCK CARB GUYS [Re: twinturboSS]
Bad86SS Offline
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Registered: 01/24/10
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Loc: Kentucky
You havent had any issues with this setup?
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#848363 - 01/18/11 10:58 PM Re: NEED TV CABLE HELP! FROM ALL EDELBROCK CARB GUYS [Re: Bad86SS]
twinturboSS Offline
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Registered: 10/22/08
Posts: 238
Loc: Houma, Louisiana
its no different then a stock set up. just made fro that specific carb. i use a holley bracket just like that for a holley carb and 700-r4 detent. no issues. used it with a TH350 and a 200 never any issues. you adjust the cable. the brackets just hold them in place so they dont move. the tab is to mount to the carb to attach the detent to.

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#848371 - 01/18/11 11:06 PM Re: NEED TV CABLE HELP! FROM ALL EDELBROCK CARB GUYS [Re: twinturboSS]
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Registered: 10/22/08
Posts: 238
Loc: Houma, Louisiana
i saw this in pics here i was just looking at. there are tons of different brackets you can use. this is on of the cheaper ones but they still work.http://www.montecarloss.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=3221

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#848373 - 01/18/11 11:09 PM Re: NEED TV CABLE HELP! FROM ALL EDELBROCK CARB GUYS [Re: twinturboSS]
Retro Offline
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Registered: 01/02/08
Posts: 1991
Loc: Macon,Ga.
You need this also for the Eddy carb. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-700203/
This corrects the TV cable's geometry on the Throttle linkage.

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#848408 - 01/19/11 07:42 AM Re: NEED TV CABLE HELP! FROM ALL EDELBROCK CARB GUYS [Re: Retro]
twinturboSS Offline
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Registered: 10/22/08
Posts: 238
Loc: Houma, Louisiana
Originally Posted By: Retro
You need this also for the Eddy carb. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-700203/
This corrects the TV cable's geometry on the Throttle linkage.
that would take the place of the stud i posted.

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#848929 - 01/22/11 05:50 AM Re: NEED TV CABLE HELP! FROM ALL EDELBROCK CARB GUYS [Re: twinturboSS]
FinallySS Offline
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Registered: 01/04/08
Posts: 948
Loc: Nice Sunny Hawaii
I have two SS with http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-700203/ and have no problem.

Just wanted to make sure. Since you have Eddy carb, you do have a distributor with vacuum can and if you took off the computer, some kind of lock-up kit, right?

Since the carb won't be hooked up to the computer, distributor won't have any spark advance. And for lock-up, if you don't have computer, it won't lock up.

As for the carb bracket (to hook up the throttle and TV cable), I use the bracket off of 200-4R equipped G-body Gutless. It looks something like this.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/TCI-376700/
Just make sure you adjust the TV cable right. You don't want to fry the tranny right after that $xxxx rebuild.

And I agree. Find someone better!
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1986 Silver MCSS - Poly bushing and Hotchkis spring w/Bilstein, Posi w/3.73, MSD 6-AL, E-Brock 600cfm, Aluminum 2-row radiator.
1986 Black MCSS - R.I.P............Finally.

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#848973 - 01/22/11 10:35 AM Re: NEED TV CABLE HELP! FROM ALL EDELBROCK CARB GUYS [Re: FinallySS]
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Registered: 05/05/07
Posts: 1441
Loc: Johnston, Iowa
Over at bowtieoverdrive.com they have some under carb bracket set ups for eddys. There is quite a bit of range for adjusting the TV cable. The site is good and has quite a bit of information on how the cable works and how to adjust the cable.

http://www.tvmadeez.com/about.php

Here is their system:

http://www.bowtieoverdrives.com/catalog/catalog_inc/viewitem.php?ITEMID=213

It comes with a new TV cable (worth $40 to them). They might give you a break if you only buy the base plate. You also need to add a throttle bracket with our without cruise:

http://www.bowtieoverdrives.com/catalog/catalog.php?Action=GETSUBCAT&CATID=WA4

Not sure how the bracket with cruise would work for our vac pot set up.

We used a quadrajet on a performer intake on a vortec engine. We simply rebent the original bracket and welded a couple of pieces on to allow us to get the gas pedal, cruise control and TV cables all about the same distance from the carb as the originals were. After than we adjusted the TV cable to be the right tension.
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1988 MCSS T-Tops. Frame off restoration, 330HP 350 crate engine, 700R4 transmission.

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#848974 - 01/22/11 10:39 AM Re: NEED TV CABLE HELP! FROM ALL EDELBROCK CARB GUYS [Re: MattsMonte]
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Registered: 05/05/07
Posts: 1441
Loc: Johnston, Iowa
Look on the left hand side of this page - it has an installation guide for several carbs:

http://www.tvmadeez.com/pressure_test/index.php
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1988 MCSS T-Tops. Frame off restoration, 330HP 350 crate engine, 700R4 transmission.

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#849009 - 01/22/11 03:23 PM Re: NEED TV CABLE HELP! FROM ALL EDELBROCK CARB GUYS [Re: MattsMonte]
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Registered: 01/14/00
Posts: 2583
Loc: Pottstown, Pa
We installed a complete Bowtie OD stage two kit in a 67 Camaro 350, with a 650 Thunder carb on the engine. This included their Edel carb TV setup. I was newer happy with the way the car progressed through the shifts and downshifted.

Could never get the engine to run well on the street with the Thunder carb and have since swapped the Air Gap intake for a Edel RPM spreadbore and I built a Qjet for him. No matter what jets, primary rods, springs, and even bought new venturi and did some modifying of the idle circuit to get that Thunder to run better in the part throttle and power circuits. The conclusion was the Thunder doesn't like a cold intake manifold, big cam(Comp 278 roller), and engine vacuum on the low side at idle.

Back to the trans TV cable to carb question. Initially I built a 1972 qjet for install on his car. It didn't have a TV cable hookup so I welded one onto the carb using this info supplied from here:
http://www.tciauto.com/Instructions/Files/gm_tv_cable_adjust.pdf
Another similar info is here:
http://www.cpttransmission.com/Files/tec2.jpg

What we found was the Bowtie TV carb bracket installed on the Thunder carb was less than ideal for proper TV operation. The first PDF above is what GM uses for TV cable positioning. Measured several Qjets from 200R and 700R vehicles which confirmed the TV point on the carb needs to be 1.016 to 1.125" from the throttle shaft center, and about 22-25 degrees rearward. The Bowtie is only about 10 degrees rearward and I believe not close to 1.125" from the center. This changes the pull on the cable due to the arc of the pivot point, which changes the pressure in the trans at different throttle positions.

We only did a preliminary drive in the car since the manifold/carb swap, due to the over abundance of nuisance snow here in the East, but the trans behaves much better, shifting and downshifting is much improved. In Dec I built him a 1980, 17080298, Qjet with stock TV hookup, this is now on the car.

Didn't want to rant to long on this but know that the TV attachment to the carb is crucial to proper 200R shifting. Bowtie is very specific on monitoring the trans pressure when the trans is first installed. We monitor trans pressure via a temporary pressure gauge in the car. Hopefully the weather will get better here and more testing can be done soon.
Bob

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