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#842569 - 12/16/10 01:56 PM Best wheel -tire combo
84whitemcss Offline
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Best wheel-tire combo of the two, and why.
17x7 235-45-17
17x8 255-45-17
or
17x8 235-45-17
18x8 245-45-18
Thanks, Paul

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#842571 - 12/16/10 01:59 PM Re: Best wheel -tire combo [Re: 84whitemcss]
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Metal wheels, rubber tires wink

I like #1 out of those because I have never been a fan of staggered diameters.

Best combo: 17X8 with 235/45/17 or 245/45/17
17X9.5 or 9.0 with 275/40/17

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#842623 - 12/16/10 07:14 PM Re: Best wheel -tire combo [Re: SickSpeedMonte]
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Still kind of partial to the 17x8 at all 4 corners with 255-45-17s. I can rotate them that way.
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#842626 - 12/16/10 07:38 PM Re: Best wheel -tire combo [Re: 85t5mcss]
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Greetings,

From a performance standpoint both are quite close, but I agree with 85's opinion to use 17x8's with 255-45's at all corners, although if you have room for 8-1/2" or 9"-wide rims with these tires, that would be even better.

The heavy front end of these cars really benefits from widest tires you can fit up there.

Best,
MAP


Edited by MAP (12/16/10 07:41 PM)

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#842630 - 12/16/10 08:01 PM Re: Best wheel -tire combo [Re: MAP]
Norm Peterson Offline
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7" is really too narrow for a 235/45 tire, so you should make the front wheels 8's for that reason alone.

8" is just barely wide enough for a 255/45.

45 profile tires should have only a little visible sidewall curvature or bulge. They are designed around relatively wider rims (I think it is 85% of nominal tire section width), so they aren't supposed to look like the 60/70/75 profile tires of the 1970's which were designed for wheels only 70% of nominal section width.


For what it's worth, the current Mustang generation has been fitted from the factory with the following tire and wheel combinations. The Mustang is quite similar to the G-body in terms of weight and general dimensions. Wheel diameter is mostly irrelevant, so you can compare tire section to wheel width across wheel diameters.

235/55-17's on 17 x 8" (GT std)
235/50-18's on 18 x 8.5" (GT option)
255/45-18's on 9.5" (GT500 front tires)
285/40-18's on 9.5" (GT500 rear tires)


Norm
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#842677 - 12/16/10 11:44 PM Re: Best wheel -tire combo [Re: Norm Peterson]
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Best wheel-tire combo of the two, and why:

Here are my choices:
17x8 245 or 255-45-17 - on all 4 corners the same, most balanced handling

-or-
(agree w/SickSpeed:) <<--- This also my favorite, has the correct tire/wheel proportions
17X8 with 245/45/17
17X9.5 or 9.0 with 275/40/17

-or-
17X8 with 255/45/17 <<-- a little fatter look than the above, but hard to find 17x9 wheels
17X9 with 275/40/17

If you go 255 in the front, the rear 275 needs to be on an 9" rim, otherwise the front tire has more belly than the rear, which looks opposite from a classic look - IMO.

The only 'rub' could be if the car is lowered more than 2" the front could rub the inner fender wells, a 245 could be the most tire you could fit without aggravation, depending on ride height, spring rate, and tire brand.
From my experience the Nitto 555 are more square-shouldered than the BFG KDW NT, and look fuller.

There is a very subjective choice on tire proportions.
I prefer a tire looking a bit fat, rather than stretched over the rim,
with the most tire footprint within the specs for rim width.

Here is a shot of BFG KDW NT 245/45/17 versus my old BFG Comp TA 245/50/16, even among brands tires are not equal.

Here are front & rear side-by-side:
Left - BFG KDW NT ----- 245/45/17 & 275/40/17 on 17x8, 17x9.5
Right - BFG Comp TA VR4 245/50/16 & 255/50/16 on 16x8, all 4

Here is another comparo:
BFG KDW NT, 245/45/17 vs Nitto 555, 255/45/17

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#842809 - 12/17/10 07:39 PM Re: Best wheel -tire combo [Re: Norm Peterson]
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Originally Posted By: Norm Peterson

8" is just barely wide enough for a 255/45.

Why is that. If I went wider then I would be stretching the tire to fit the wheel. I do not have the "bulge" on mine. Never cared for the look, either. Main reason y I went 255 instead of 245 because it looked "stretched". Or I could be crazy or possibly tire discrepancies from the manufacturer.
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#842893 - 12/18/10 11:41 AM Re: Best wheel -tire combo [Re: 85t5mcss]
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My fronts and backs are both 17” x 8” . The front tires are 235/40R17 . The back tires are 255/45R17 . I’ve been thinking of 18” x 9.5” on the back and keep my 17” x 8” on the front .
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#842984 - 12/19/10 11:01 AM Re: Best wheel -tire combo [Re: Hey-O]
84whitemcss Offline
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Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the great info. I made my selection for tires and wheels, I may do some adjusting on wheel width and tire size later. I will be posting before and after pics soon.
Thanks,Paul

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#843491 - 12/22/10 08:34 PM Before and After-New wheel & tire pictures [Re: 84whitemcss]
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Here are pictures of the tires and wheels before and after.








This is the first time I've posted pictures. Let me know if there is a problem seeing them.

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#843582 - 12/23/10 12:24 PM Re: Best wheel -tire combo [Re: 85t5mcss]
Norm Peterson Offline
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Originally Posted By: 85t5mcss
Why is that. If I went wider then I would be stretching the tire to fit the wheel. I do not have the "bulge" on mine. Never cared for the look, either. Main reason y I went 255 instead of 245 because it looked "stretched". Or I could be crazy or possibly tire discrepancies from the manufacturer.

8" is the minimum width rim that most tire mfrs will recommend you put that size tire on. Some of the difference in appearances between a 255 and a 245 on the same width wheel will come from the two sizes having different "measuring rim widths". Some can come from tires being made by different mfrs or different model tires made by the same mfr - tire dimensions can vary over a small range (at leaat 3% IIRC, which is ±7 mm on tires in the 245 - 255 region).

"Stretched" is a term that doesn't seem to have a clear or widely agreed upon definition. In the strictest sense, you could probably argue that any rim that's wider than the tire's "measuring width" wheel represents a "stretch" and that anything narrower is "squeezed" or "stuffed".

But words like "stretch" imply being outside the tire mfr's rim width range spec for the tire in question, so I think they need to be defined that way.

That way, as long as you're within the mfr's width range, neither term really applies in common conversation. Outside it, additional description such as "mild" for the first half inch outside the range would be at least reasonable (and maybe "crazy" for some of the examples you can find if you Google on the term "stretched tires"). IOW, a 255/45 would be a mild stretch on 10" wheels, a crazy stretch on 11.5's or 12's, and a mild squeeze (or whatever) on 7.5". I don't know exactly how you'd describe the difference between being mounted on 9.5" vs 8", because they're about the same as far as the mfr is concerned.



The first thing you should consider when matching tire size to wheel width is where it falls with respect to the tire mfr's width recommendations. These are pretty consistent across tire mfrs because they ultimately trace back to the Tire & Rim Association.

Anyway, a tire starts out being designed for a particular rim size, and will reflect its "actual" dimensions when mounted on a rim of that width. There is also a tolerance either side from there, generally 1/2" to 1". What that means is that for (say) a 255/45 tire whose "measuring width" is 8.5", it is mfr-acceptable to mount that tire on rims anywhere from 8" at the narrow end out to 9.5". Hence my comment about 8" being a relatively narrow wheel for a 255/45 tire - it's the minimum recommended.


Something about "measuring widths" - for tires above 50 profile, the measuring rim is only about 70% of the tire section width as measured on that rim. IOW, a 255/60 would be measured on a 7" wide rim because of its "tall" profile. 45 profile and lower tires are measured on a relatively wider wheel - I'm pretty sure it's 85%. So a 255/45 ends up being measured on an 8.5" wheel.

What that means in terms of appearance is that a 45 profile tire is specifically NOT supposed to look like a 60 profile tire in terms of "belly" (to use this thread's term). A 255/60 is 10" wide, and will have 0.5 x (10" - 7") = 1.5" of "belly" on both the inside and outside by intentional design. A 255/45, on the other hand, is only intended to have 0.5 x (10" - 8.5") = 0.75" of "belly". 0.75" is just barely enough to put the sidewalls out past the faces of the wheel flanges, and it will look pretty flat-sidewalled by comparison to your memories of the older and taller profile tires - but keep in mind that THIS IS THE INTENDED SHAPE FOR A 45-PROFILE TIRE. They aren't supposed to have bulging sidewalls, and you're not doing the tires any favors by squeezing them down onto narrow rims so that they do.

This is all a consequence of tire design requirements, which with respect to rim width involves things like where the sidewalls flex the greatest and making those regions sufficiently durable in terms of resistance to the heat generated while driving. Outward tire shape appearance hasn't entered the picture at this point.

FWIW, a 245/45-17 is measured on an 8" wide wheel and is typically associated with a rim width range from 7.5" to 9".

FWIW #2, I have put together (and occasionally update as new tire sizes get included) a fairly extensive spreadsheet that deals with tire sizes and rim widths - and the dimensional effects on a given tire size as the rim width is varied. The section width and amount of "belly" (and "apparent profile" and couple other things) vary slightly with rim width.

FWIW #3, mounting a tire closer to the max recommended width can save your a$ $, if you are unfortunate enough to rapidly lose pressure in one rear tire. The additional lateral stiffness that remains in the other rear tire because of the wider rim will keep the rear end under stronger directional control than if the tires were on narrower rims. Guess how I might know this.


Norm
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'10 Legacy 2.5GT/6M, almost stock - hers
'01 Maxima 20AE/5M, mostly stock - spare

'95 626/V6/5M, still slightly unstock - now granddaughter's car
'79 Malibu - stripped and sold (I kept most of the non-GM parts)

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