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#814336 - 08/02/10 05:02 PM SS Ninja's blog  
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SS Ninja's (Dave's) 1987 Monte Carlo SS


Modifications:

Engine and engine management

- GMPP 350 "HO" crate motor
- Holley Stealth Ram
- Kirban adjustable fuel pressure regulator
- -6AN braided steel fuel lines (supply and return) from tank to fuel rails
- Racetronix "Hotwire" fuel pump harness
- Cleaned and flow-matched 22 lb/hr injectors
- Howell TPI harness with '730 Speed Density ECM
- Ramcharger electric fans
- Ceramic coated Hooker Competition full-length headers
- 2.5" Pypes x-pipe exhaust with GN style tailpipes


Drivetrain

- Rebuilt 2004r
- 2200 stall converter
- B&M transmission cooler
- 8.5" 10-bolt with 3.42s, Eaton posi


Suspension and brakes

- UMI double-adjustable tubular upper and lower rear control arms with Rotojoints
- DSE 2" drop front springs
- Eibach 1" drop rear springs
- Bilstein shocks front/rear
- Spohn tall spindle upper and lower control arms
- Proforged tall upper and lower ball joints
- LS1 front disc brake swap
- Stainless brake hard lines
- Front end rebuilt (Tie rods, centerlink, etc)
- Jeep steering shaft
- GTA wheels with 245/55/16 tires

Interior

- Custom black interior (All plastic panels dyed with SEM Landau black)
- Entire body sound deadened
- Grand prix dash
- Dash plate wrapped in 3M Di-Noc "Carbon fiber"
- Autometer gauges (Speedo, tach, oil pressure, water temp, volts, fuel level)
- Momo steering wheel
- B&M megashifter
- Procar Elite bucket seats
- GSI "Raceback" rear seat (The original! laugh )
- GSI upper door panels and sail panel inserts
- Concert Sound II lower door panels
- Recovered rear deck and headliner with fabric from GSI
- Black carpet



Current pictures (As of June 2013):


Exterior





Interior



(Old steering wheel)


Engine bay



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#814337 - 08/02/10 05:03 PM Some history on the car [Re: SS Ninja]  
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Some history on the car



I bought the Monte back in 2003, a year after I graduated High School. My '94 F150 was in a bodyshop being fixed (Long story involving an icy parking lot and my friend hitting my car while doing donuts chair ) when I spotted my car sitting in one of the bays.

Even knowing absolutely nothing about Montes (Or cars for that matter) at that point, I still knew that it looked mean as anything parked there, and that I wanted it...bad. Turns out that it was the shop "beater" and was for sale. A month or so later, I sold my truck and used that money towards buying the Monte.

It was slow, burned oil, had terrible exhaust work (True duals with one of the exhaust pipes routed below the crossmember...ground clearance of maybe 6"), a dirty grey split-bench interior, the works.

I loved it, my parents hated it. lmao


I performed my first oil change on this car, and from there dove in headfirst and by this point have completed 3 engine swaps, converted from a carb to fuel injection (And changed to three different intake setups), created a custom interior, rebuilt the suspension, swapped in a new tranny/rear, etc. Pretty much the only thing I haven't touched is the body of the car itself, although a new paint job is in the works.


More details on the various projects through the years in future posts.


Oh, and why the name "SS ninja"?

Well, when I bought the car, it was big, black, noisy (Not in a good way either), and burned and or leaked every fluid possible. My friends used to say "Oh, here comes the ninja" every time I pulled up, since there was no missing my car as it was the least stealthy vehicle on the road.

The name went away over the years, but it seemed more than suitable when I signed up for MCSS.com back in the day. smile


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#814347 - 08/02/10 06:04 PM Re: SS Ninja's blog [Re: SS Ninja]  
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2004/2005/2006 OR "Two engine swaps and dreams of fuel injection"


2004

Only a year after I purchased my car, I decided that it wasn't fast enough, and seeing that I was now fully competent doing oil changes (I only spilled a little bit of oil now!) and brake jobs, it was now time to do an engine swap. Oh boy.


I picked up a late 60's 350 that was supposedly rebuilt and already broken in from a friend of a friend for a few hundred bucks. Completely in over my head but with a few good friends who actually knew about cars, I swapped in the "new to me" engine for the 305 that was in the car (A "305" that turned out to be a tired 350 with a really nice set of heads on it, but I only found that out after I gave it away for free...but I digress).

I also had a set of Hooker Competition full-length headers, the Pypes exhaust kit, and the "Iceman" heavy-duty crossmember (The one that is a copy of the G-force crossmember) installed.

After we finally got the engine running, it burned oil...bad. Still, it pulled like a freight train compared to the old motor and I really didn't drive the car too far anyways since I was living at school in Boston, so it would do for the next year.


Here's a picture of that motor. Not pretty, but it was good enough to do burn outs:





Didn't do too much else to the car in 2004 besides drive it...and replace oil that had burned off. couch



2005

Finally got sick of replacing oil all the time and the tranny started to have issues, so I had my friend and his dad help me install a GMPP 350 "HO" crate motor and the 2004R which I had rebuilt locally.

Here's the engine in all its carbureted glory:





Definitely an improvement over the old motor!



I picked up a low-mileage (About 60,000 miles) all-original grey on grey '88 SS as a daily driver that year as well. Absolutely awesome car, but it had some serious rust issues on the driver's door and rear quarters from spending its life in upstate New York.




I also picked up two parts cars off ebay, one I ended up selling whole and the other I stripped for parts.

Here's all four at my garage (The '87 is parked in the garage):





Yup, I'm a Monte addict.

Only picture I could find of the exterior of the car from 2005:






2006


I ended up having to sell my grey '88 in 2006 because I couldn't afford the gas driving 60+ miles a day for my internship, so I sold it on Ebay to a guy in Florida who claimed he was going to restore it. Roughly a year later, I get a letter from the state of Florida claiming that "my" car had been in impound for over 6 months, and they were going to crush it if I didn't come to collect it and pay the storage fees... think

Turns out that the guy who bought the car never registered it and somehow got it impounded. I contemplated getting it back, but it would have cost me $2000 in fees alone, let alone getting it home, so I had to let it go. frown

Yup, I miss that car.


Anyways, since I started to learn more about cars and was a computer science major in college, I decided that converting the car to fuel injection would be a cool project for the Monte.

After doing a ton of research, I decided that TPI would be the way to go, as TBI would still be a nice upgrade, but was still a "wet" manifold design, and didn't have the "wow" factor of TPI.


I bought a partial TPI setup off of Randy (ss4ever) and mated it to a Vortec base as my crate motor has Vortec heads. The base is $400+, which really set me back for awhile as I was still working on a college budget, but it was a necessary cost.


The TPI intake was originally grey with a rough cast finish, but after literally weeks in sanding and polishing by hand (Spent a couple of hours each night until my hands ached) and a can of black high-temp spray paint, I finally had the color scheme that I've kept ever since.


Here's one of the runners originally:



After sanding (Still needed to buff):




The final product:






While piecing together the TPI setup, I also bought a set of 15" Firebird wheels that looked like GTAs for a fraction of the price, so I installed those.




I also purchased a new crack-free dash and painted it SEM Warm Grey, along with the rest of the interior plastics. I replaced the split bench with bucket seats and painted the seat backs black, along with a black carpet:




After the driving season was over, I pulled the carb and intake off, and started diving into the TPI project...which I wouldn't finish until 2008... couch

Stay tuned...


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#814354 - 08/02/10 06:27 PM Re: SS Ninja's blog [Re: SS Ninja]  
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2008 "Things are finally starting to come together"



2008 was a big year for the car. The end of 2006 through 2007, I collected a ton of parts for the TPI swap, as well as bugged everyone on here with TPI with a million and one questions about everything from vacuum lines to "Where can I find xx part?".

While this was going on, I found a killer deal on an open 8.5" rear from a friend, and had it rebuilt with all new internals (Eaton posi, new gears, Moser axles, etc).

I swapped that in along with the UMI control arms (Which had to be modified to fit. Turns out that I bought the first iteration of the upper arms which didn't work with an 8.5"), Bilstein shocks at all four corners, and new OEM rear springs.

The new rear:



Old versus new shocks:



It's in!






Ended up getting the majority of the work to the car done during this time as well, including:

- Tranny cooler
- Stainless brake lines
- Megashifter
- B-body brake swap
- Replaced my Firebird wheels with GTAs
- Front end rebuild
- Ramcharger electric fans



All of this work, and I still had to finish up the TPI swap. I had the car running in late 2007/early 2008, but I couldn't get the car to idle properly and never actually drove it.

Around this time, a new member joined MCSS: Houlie.

He posted up pictures of a beautiful TPI swap that a shop had just finished up for him, and I ended up chatting with him about my issues. He recommended that I have the car brought to the shop that worked on his car, as the owner was a specialist in swapping TPI motors in Monte Carlos.

I had my car towed to the shop, where it was diagnosed that I had some serious issues with my Ebay-special TPI harness, and I had the shop install a new Howell harness for me, as well as giving my car a once over since I was planning on driving my car to a show in PA after doing a ton of shade-tree mechanical work on it.


A short while later my car came back running better than ever (Gotta love TPI low-end torque!) and ready to go:














I had the car dyno'd late that year and found out that (untuned) while it was a blast to drive around, it wasn't making power past ~4200 RPMs due to the long tube runner design (One of the drawbacks of TPI).

Wanting more power, I tore into the motor that winter with the intent of replacing the TPI with a FIRST injection system.


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#814361 - 08/02/10 06:42 PM Re: SS Ninja's blog [Re: SS Ninja]  
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2009 "Car's down again for the count"


Due to this dyno plot:



I was on the hunt for more power and at a higher RPM; My crate motor was rated at peak power at a little over 5000 RPMs, so I knew that I was leaving some on the table with an intake that flat-lined a little over 4000 RPMs.

I initially was planning on going with a Holley Stealth Ram (HSR) as it would pretty much be a bolt-on replacement for the stock TPI, but fate has a funny sense of humor sometimes...

Back when I first started researching TPI, I stumbled across FIRST fuel injection, who manufactured a pretty awesome-looking long tube runner intake. They had a sale on their intake which made them very competitive with the pricing of the Stealth Ram; That, combined with what I felt was a more visually appealing intake design lead me to purchase this over the winter:




I then had it powdercoated to match the TPI intake that I sold to finance this purchase:




The engine bay:




The rest of the saga can be read here:

http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ub...2411#Post652411

To make a long story short, I ended up having a TON of issues with that intake and sold it to rons87mcss in order to purchase a Stealth Ram after a year of trying to get it to work.

I'm a little bummed out that I couldn't get it to work for me, but such is life.



I didn't get to drive the car at all that year, and contemplated selling it before deciding to give the Stealth Ram a try.

While it was sleeping in the garage that Fall/Winter, I began to have an idea for the interior...


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#814365 - 08/02/10 06:56 PM Re: SS Ninja's blog [Re: SS Ninja]  
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2010 "Big changes for the interior and back on the road"


This last winter, I took on a pretty intense overhaul of the interior in the hopes of reducing some of the NVH (Various t-top rattles, exhaust noise, etc) and making it look a little more modern.

I did a good amount of research into sound deadening, and ended up doing the entire passenger compartment, along with the trunk.

In addition, I swapped in a dash from a Grand Prix and some new aftermarket gauges, along with new seats and door panels, and dyed all of the interior plastics black.

Here's the thread from the beginning with a TON more info:

http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ub...8787#Post738787


A bunch of thanks owed to Jon from GSI interiors for making the door panels, rear inserts, visors, and custom rear seat for me. Definitely couldn't have pulled it off without him.


Pictures of the "finished" interior (Still need to buy floor mats, fab up a heater blockoff plate, and install the CTS console):











I also replaced the FIRST with a Holley Stealth Ram (Looks like black and grey is becoming my new theme)







Well, this is where she currently is. I have some small future plans for her, including a set of Eibach, a 36mm front sway bar, and a new steering box sitting in my garage, but those will have to wait until this winter.


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#814673 - 08/03/10 10:20 PM Re: SS Ninja's blog [Re: SS Ninja]  
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Great Blog posts!
So how did those Procar seat adapters end up working out for you?



1985 SS, Hotchkis suspension kit, Edelbrock shocks and Air Gap RPM intake, Eibach Springs, Hurst quarter stick, GM crate 350HO long block, Edelbrock 650 AVS Thunder carb, MSD ignition, Hooker Headers, Steel cowl hood, Pro-Torque converter. Proud member NYMCC.
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Originally Posted By: Rich.S85SS
Great Blog posts!
So how did those Procar seat adapters end up working out for you?


They ended up working out really well. Definitely worth the money for all of the headaches they saved.

They are an exact fit to the seat mounts on the floor, and the only issue I ran into was that I had to get some leverage with a prybar to get them bolted to the seat in the lowest position (There's three height options for the seats: Way too high, an inch or two too high, and just right, which is the lowest position).

I'm 5'10", and anything other than the lowest seat position was too tall for my liking.


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Originally Posted By: Rich.S85SS
Great Blog posts!
So how did those Procar seat adapters end up working out for you?


They ended up working out really well. Definitely worth the money for all of the headaches they saved.

They are an exact fit to the seat mounts on the floor, and the only issue I ran into was that I had to get some leverage with a prybar to get them bolted to the seat in the lowest position (There's three height options for the seats: Way too high, an inch or two too high, and just right, which is the lowest position).

I'm 5'10", and anything other than the lowest seat position was too tall for my liking.


Thanks for the feedback. The whole interior looks awesome!



1985 SS, Hotchkis suspension kit, Edelbrock shocks and Air Gap RPM intake, Eibach Springs, Hurst quarter stick, GM crate 350HO long block, Edelbrock 650 AVS Thunder carb, MSD ignition, Hooker Headers, Steel cowl hood, Pro-Torque converter. Proud member NYMCC.
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Definitely looks great. I really like the gauges and have been looking for something similar. I was wondering what you did for a sending unit for it and how that played into the VSS for your TPI?

thanks


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Looking real sharp!



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Originally Posted By: mymonte-ss
Definitely looks great. I really like the gauges and have been looking for something similar. I was wondering what you did for a sending unit for it and how that played into the VSS for your TPI?

thanks


Well, to be honest I'm not 100% satisfied with the gauges right now. The water temp, oil pressure, and battery have all been great, but I have some issues with the other gauges:

Tach: Reads accurately at idle and when driving around, but if I go to wide open throttle the gauge will start bouncing around. Possibly a grounding issue?

Speedo: I hooked up the speedo to the speedo output wire coming out of the ECM, but it doesn't seem to be getting a signal. Not sure if I have to turn on something in the PROM for a signal to be output to the gauge?

Fuel level: Doesn't seem to have the correct Ohm range for a GM sender (It's universal and supposedly works with different ranges via a dial on the back of the gauge), so I'm going to send it back under warrantee to get checked out.


If I can't get all of the issues worked out, I might go with a set of AutoMeter gauges for next year.


Originally Posted By: ProTourAero
Looking real sharp!



Thanks! Your car was the inspiration to get a Grand Prix dash! I remember seeing a picture of your interior years ago and thinking to myself, "I'll have a Grand Prix dash in my car one day". smile


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#815068 - 08/05/10 12:58 PM Re: SS Ninja's blog [Re: SS Ninja]  
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i seen this out in stoughton about 2 weeks ago looks good but need to work on your burnouts seen it trying to do one in advanced parking lot.

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Originally Posted By: savageracer
i seen this out in stoughton about 2 weeks ago looks good but need to work on your burnouts seen it trying to do one in advanced parking lot.



Talk to my friend Bryan who was driving my car that day... lmao

It was embarrassing enough from the passenger seat, trust me.

Put it this way: I had no problem doing one in front of his house at an earlier date. smile


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hey, if i can drift in a jeep, i can do a burnout. your car just has no balls!


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Originally Posted By: yourownself
hey, if i can drift in a jeep, i can do a burnout. your car just has no balls!



I blame the mechanic...Oh wait, that's me. couch


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Great read Dave smile

I didn't realize you had 4 SS's at one time before. Did they all parade around the chicken coup? poke

You have done so much work to your car and you should be proud. Most of us never do more than what is needed to keep it running.

Do you still have those black crinkle (I think is what they call them) valve covers? If so, I bet they would fit the engine bay very nicely compared to the chrome ones. Just a thought.

Great job on everything thumbs


Ooops, I didn't realize the black ones were perimeter bolt the first time crazy

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Thanks Ron!

I don't even want to think how much I'd have into the car if I had to pay someone for all of the labor that I've put into it.

Many a late night was spent in the "chicken coup" getting all of that done.

No, the Montes didn't all parade around the coup. There's a steep grassy hill around back that they wouldn't have made it around. smile

I'd love to re-use those black crinkle valve covers, but like you mentioned they are perimeter bolt, so I'd have to buy the adapters for them. Plus, they're currently on Bryan's (yourownself) car, and I don't think he wants to give them back. lmao


I'd love to get a set of these, but they're a little too expensive, plus I would need adapters:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NAL-12480127/


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Yeah, that is the price I'd like tp pay for a complete SBC rebuild kit eek

Get something in black......no matter what it takes smile

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daves car is sweet i saw it at the GM nats


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Well, it's been awhile since my last update but I'm finally getting a chance to get some work done on the car.


Plans for this year (As always with me, subject to change):

- Better organize electric fan and aux wiring in engine bay
- Install MSD box
- Install wire looms
- Clean and paint inner fenders
- Install heater control blockoff plate in dash
- New trunk seal
- Install new front license plate bracket
- Install drop springs front/rear
- Get car tuned at SDCE
- Buff paint to try and remove some of the sworls and orange peel.



I started off a few weeks ago by installing my MSD box and cleaning up the rats nest of fan wiring on my driver's side inner fender and running it inside the fender itself. I did the same for the passenger side aux wires (MSD box, TPI harness, gauges).

This last weekend it was finally warm enough to paint, so I removed my inner fenders and painted them.

No pictures of the finished product yet, but I do have a few in-progress pictures of the inner fenders removed and painted, along with the install of the front plate bracket that I picked up from IowanSS on here.


Inner fenders out, ready to be painted, and painted:









New license plate bracket with quick disconnect:




Installed (Yes I know that the plate itself it pretty beat up lmao ):








It's a really nice piece that took about 10 minutes to install. Now I'm just bummed that I have a bunch of holes in my front bumper from where the plate was directly mounted before... frown

The front bumper is in tough shape from when I got hit about 6 years ago and needs to be replaced anyways, so I'll live with the holes.


I found out about two weeks ago that I had a burnt spark plug wire (Right after installing my new wire looms), so this coming week I'm going to install the new wires as well.


Next up is the trunk seal and finding time to bring the car to SDCE.


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I have my date for bring the car down to SDCE: May 7th!


I installed the new spark plug wires Monday night, and the car is due for its first car wash of the year this weekend, weather permitting.

I also need to take more current pictures of the car, so I'll do that as well as long as the weather holds up. It's supposed to rain on Saturday but I'm hoping that forcast will change.


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Originally Posted By: SS Ninja
The front bumper is in tough shape from when I got hit about 6 years ago and needs to be replaced anyways, so I'll live with the holes.


PM me with a "reasonable" offer....and the one I have is yours, if you want it

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any of you guys in mass ever meet up at all?


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Originally Posted By: Mike87monte
any of you guys in mass ever meet up at all?


Not often enough. A bunch of us are planning on meeting up with the NY Monte Carlo Club and "some guy from New Jersey" for the Sea Pirate show and GM Carlisle in June, but that's about it as far as I know.

I'd like to start going to the Bass Pro shows on a more regular basis as well.


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Dave,

I work in Stoughton, off of Page Street, you anywhere near there??


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I live on the opposite side of town right near Cobb's Corner, but it's only a 10 minute drive away from Page street.


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I like that CF vinyl!

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Yesterday morning's weather was beautiful, so I decided to take the Monte for a spin. smile

It's covered in about 6 months worth of dust from the garage, but it was still a blast to drive around. I didn't get a chance to wash it (Sorry FrankOC poke )because I was busy helping the family make Easter dinner, so that's next week's plan along with installing a heater control block-off plate for the dash. The week after that (May 7th) the car is getting tuned at SDCE and then I'll install the new drop springs front/rear.











Still need to make a heater control blockoff plate:





MSD box installed:






New wire looms:








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Hey, those wire looms look familiar!! Sure helps clean up the look...don't they?

Car looks good, even got the T-Tops out for the day.


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Originally Posted By: SSLance
Hey, those wire looms look familiar!! Sure helps clean up the look...don't they?

Car looks good, even got the T-Tops out for the day.



Thanks Lance!

I had some trouble routing the wires on the passenger side due to the coil, but it's "good enough".

I seriously need to detail the engine bay, but then I'm afraid that I might catch your "WhileI'mAtIt-itis" and take the whole front end apart! poke

Your car is looking awesome by the way! I was checking out the latest progress pictures earlier. thumbs


Yup, I got the t-tops off for a little while, but had to put them back on in the afternoon once the rain started...The new weatherstripping is doing its work as they didn't leak either...FINALLY. Everyone wants a t-top car until they actually own one lmao


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Figured I would update this as it's been awhile:

I had the car tuned at SDCE at the end of the Spring, and it made a HUGE difference in the drivability of the car.

I had some timing issues that Scott resolved for me, along with a tune. No more random stalls, power is up all across the board, and the car now idles like stock, which is exactly what I was looking for.


While the numbers aren't anything amazing (262 HP, 271 TQ at the wheels), it makes for a nice driver.

Here's a dyno plot of before and after tuning. What you can't see on the graph is how much better the car idles and drives.




I'd eventually like to look into that dip in power at around 5200 RPMs, but I'm not sure if it's ignition-related or due to my motor not being meant to be spun up past 5000 RPMs.



Not much happened in the early summer other than having driven the car to the GM Nationals and here and there on nice days.

My car at the Nationals:



"Some Monte club" convinced me to put their sticker on my car poke





Two weeks ago I finally got around to installing my Eibach drop springs, which made a big difference in the car's stance. No pictures post install just yet as I want to get an alignment first.



I also finally got sick of my doors sagging and window rattling, so I ordered a set of hinges on ebay to install new pins in, along with this rattle elimination kit and book from Kirban's:

http://www.kirbanperformance.com/product/417/WINDOW+RATTLE+ELIMINATION+KIT+%237170.html

The repair is supposed to be slightly complicated, so I may put it off until later on this Fall. Either way I'll try to document the process as I haven't read much about it on here. The GN guys seem to think it's the answer to our window rattle problems though, which gives me hope.


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Put the car away for the year last weekend.

I'm planning on fixing my window rattles first, along with working on my winter plans for the car, as I typically like to have a big project to work on.

I REALLY like the "super sport" hood that Randy (ss4ever) had on his old SS, but it's about $600 plus shipping...The 2" steel cowl is too small, and the 4" fiberglass is a little too big. Link to Randy's hood: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ub...9537#Post679537

Aside from that, the car still isn't as low as I would like in the front with the Eibach springs, so I'm considering drop spindles. Unfortunately, to keep my B-body brakes I'll need B-body drop spindles, and those run about $400. My other option is to sell the B-body setup and convert to either LS1 brakes or the Baer brakes up front, both of which would cost me some coin, especially the Baer setup.


Anyways, here's some of the last pictures of the year of my car, taken at Houlie's "Houlie's Heroes" car show a few months back:


(He had me park next to the "other 4x4"... poke)








The rest of the car show can be seen in my gallery here:

http://davenutting.smugmug.com/Cars/Houlies-Heroes/

It was a great show!


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I just had my window out of the car, and it's not too bad. Just plan it out before you attack it. I removed the felt supports that guide the top of the window, there was a metal bracket with a spike/stud that engages the piece you are replacing, and the window unbolts from the track by 3 nuts which are accessible through access holes in the door. I went ahead and drilled out all the rivets and replaced the motor, and I also cleaned and greased the regulator and tracks with lithium grease. There's one horizontal track that bolts to the door, one vertical track that bolts to the door, and the horizontal track that mounts to the window. The passenger window used to be the slow one, and now it beats the driver's side up... so it's time to tear into that one.

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I replaced both of the window motors last year using this method:

http://www.elcaminocentral.com/showthread.php?t=27156


I'll have to go through the book that I ordered from Kirban's, but I'm not sure if I have to remove the regulator to get the glass out.


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You dont have to remove the regulator to get the glass out. It's easier if you don't I think. In fact, if you need to remove the regulator, I'd get the glass out first personally.

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Good to know, thanks!



I'm currently doing A LOT of research into suspension and frame bushings at the moment, as I realized that the car doesn't handle as well as I'd like it to and the bushings are a key piece of this.

I've read all of the stickies here on the subject, as well as all of the posts from MAP/Norm/Bob/Blue Hog and other old-school suspension guys that were really active around 2002-2003.

I think I'm going to go with Delrin for at least the front two frame bushings and possibly the rear two as well, with rubber for the "middle" frame bushings as I've read that poly all around is a little too harsh. That said, I'd love to read feedback from someone running the TNT aluminum frame bushings in a car that ISN'T caged as I'm curious about those.

Still trying to figure out the best place to buy Delrin to make the front body bushings. Ebay has a few listing with scraps for sale, but they don't seem to be quite the right size.


For suspension bushings (Front/rear control arms), it seems like Del-a-lum is the way to go as rubber is too soft and poly tends to bind/squeek.


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Ninja - can you provide a link or reference to the Quick Connect License Plate Bracket? Thanks for sharing your efforts and progress....

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Originally Posted By: AkronAero
Ninja - can you provide a link or reference to the Quick Connect License Plate Bracket? Thanks for sharing your efforts and progress....


Sure thing!

I bought it from IowanSS:
http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ub...0083#Post850083

Send him a message and see if he has any left.


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Been awhile since I updated this:


I've got some serious planning to do in regards to changing up my suspension: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ub...2310#Post902310


Haven't been able to purchase on that list up to this point, but I should be getting a set of '98+ Blazer dual-piston spindles tonight.

From here, I have some decisions to make in regards to the front brakes. I'd LOVE a set of CTS-V front calipers, but those seem to require an 18" wheel.

The budget option for now seems to be either:

- C5/C6 13" brake swap
- LS1 12" brake swap

The C5/C6 brake swap would be a no-brainer, other than the fact that they won't fit under 16" wheels whereas the LS1 brake swap will. I can even use the C5/C6 calipers with the LS1 swap. They have smaller piston diameter but are better made and less prone to spreading from what I've read.


Really, the only thing keeping me tied to my GTA wheels is their appearance. If someone made a 17" or 18" GTA replica (Ideally in a 9" and 9.5"), I'd be all over those as I love mesh wheels.



I mean, how awesome does that look? beer


Unfortunately tire selection is getting mighty slim in the 245/50/16 and 255/50/16 range, so it might make sense to step up to 17" or 18" wheels for more tire options.

I did find these, although they're actually 5x120mm and not 5x120.7 (Or whatever the metric equivalent of our bolt pattern is):

http://esmwheels.com/access/wheels-002r-c-21_34_63.html

They come in 17x8.5 and 17x10 and appear to have roughly the correct backspacing according to some quick math based on the offset and width. I'd need some hub centric rings, but those aren't hard to find.


The other option is something similar to these:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-142-8961GM0/

I'm not in love with them, but the price is definitely right as long as they would fit.


Any thoughts? I'd love to have more suggestions on wheels.




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Again, yet another post without any new progress photos to share (Lame, I know lmao ), but I've finally settled on Stage 1 of my suspension build and wanted to get the plans down on virtual paper.

People here who have met me in person already know, but for those that don't, I'm a huge nerd, especially when it comes to learning about new car stuff. My current obsession is learning more about suspensions and braking, and I'm hoping to pass along at least some of what I'm learning before it all leaks out of my ears. smile Feel free to correct me if anything I say is wrong, by the way...


Without further ado, here is Stage 1 of the build, which I’m calling the “Bang for the buck” stage.

Front suspension and brakes
- ‘98+ 2wd Blazer spindles for dual-piston brakes
- Power Performance “tall” upper and lower ball joints
- “LS1” (98-02 F-body) calipers and brackets
- Homemade caliper adapter bracket
- Braided stainless lines
- Centric rotors
- Stoptech pads
- Good brake fluid
- Spohn “tall spindle swap” front upper control arms
- SPC front lower control arms
- Triangulating braces for frame and engine bay
- Replace front body bushings with delrin or poly
- Performance rebuild of steering box
- Eibach springs (Already own)
- Bilstein shocks (Already own)
- 36mm F-body sway bar and stock F41 Monte SS bar (Own both and will be trying both)
- GTA wheels (Own)with 245/50/16 tires, brand still undetermined

Rear suspension and brakes
- “LS1” (98-02 F-body) rear disc
- Adjustable proportioning valve
- UMI adjustable upper and lower control arms with Rotojoints
- New rubber bushings in upper ears of axle (Already own)
- Fays2 Watts link
- Eibach springs (Already own)
- Bilstein shocks (Already own)
- Stock F41 rear sway bar and thirdgen F-body rear bar (Will try both)
- GTA wheels (Own)with 245/50/16 tires, brand still undetermined

Let me know if any of you guys have questions about my parts choices above.


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We understand....you're building your writing experience for a future in car craft! lmao

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Enjoy life, family first!
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Originally Posted By: 1 Slow SS
We understand....you're build your writing experience for a future in car craft! lmao


More a lack of cash and time to get any real work done on the car... Writing is free! laugh

I'll see what I can do to actually get some grease under my fingernails this weekend!


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Discovered that I’m have some serious fitment issues with the Blazer spindles and LS1 brake swap, as described here: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=923847#Post923847

Not saying that it’s not do-able, but I’m really hesitant to grind away at the spindles given how hard they are to find.


My next thought was to abandon the LS1 brakes in favor of C5 brakes and 17” wheels, possibly the Corvette C5 “Wagon wheels” in the last post of that topic above. After some serious thought this weekend (And the realization that my neighbor’s late model Explorer has factory wheels that look almost exactly the same…Gross), I have a set of Monte spindles coming in the mail so that I can modify those for the LS1 brake swap.

I know that I really wouldn’t be happy with a set of wheels that I’m not 100% sold on, and those C5 wheels definitely aren’t what I envision being on my car for the long haul. So, until I can afford a light-weight set of 17s that I like, I’m sticking with the GTAs and LS1 brakes.


By the way, weighed a bare GTA wheel on Sunday: 17 pounds! Not bad!


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I finally wired up a neutral safety switch to my Megashifter using a relay that interupts the purple wire going to the starter, so the car is now officially "track legal".

Time to get some 1/4 mile numbers up at Epping in NH. Expecting mid to high 13s given the estimated weight of the car (I'm think 3600 pounds or so) and power at the wheels.

Of course, that's with a decent driver... smile


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Just ordered a TON of parts for the Monte today:


- Spohn tall spindle front upper control arms with Delrin bushings
- Spohn front lower control arms with Delrin bushings
- Proforged tall upper and lower ball joints
- UMI adjustable upper and lower control arms with rotojoints
- Kore3 billet hubs
- Centric 98+ F-body premium brake rotors
- Stoptech 98+ F-body brake pads
- Kore3 braided stainless brake lines
- Energy Suspension core support bushings
- New Intrepid electric fans as the current fans are starting to squeak


Should be able to install the rear control arms, core support bushings, and fans as soon as they come in; Waiting on the front suspension and LS1 brake swap until I get a response back from the guy making my adapter brackets for me.


I'll get install pics once everything comes in, which should be sometime next week with the exception of the hubs, brake lines, and adapter brackets.


Anyone interested in a 12" B-body brake setup? laugh


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Hey Dave, its Nick...might be interested in the b body brake setup...send me a PM with the info!

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Parts are rolling in for the Monte.

Spohn upper and lower front arms are in, along with tall ball joints, 98-02 F-body rotors and pads, and UMI rear arms.

Still waiting on the hubs and brake lines from Kore3, along with caliper adapter brackets. Unfortunately, I’m having a hard time getting ahold of either Ed Miller from FlyNBye or another guy I found from the S10 board. Anyone else that sells these brackets that I can get in contact with?


Anyways, on to a few pics of the new parts:












The front end install is still on hold, but last Thursday I attempted to install the UMI rear control arms as I had the whole day off in preparation for the GM Nationals. THAT was a mistake. smile


I started off by washing, clay barring, and waxing the car:









Following that, Brian Lohnes from Bangshift was awesome enough to come help me swap out the old control arms for new.

Proof that Brian isn’t afraid of getting his hands dirty or of risking tetanus from working on a rusty G-body:




Old versus new:






Notice with the upper control arms that the bolt hole is centered as opposed to staggered towards the bottom of the arm. These arms are the original UMI design from ’03 or ’04 before they were redesigned to fit the 8.5” rear. I had to grind them down a bit for them to clear the pumpkin.


These new double-adjustable arms are pretty neat, and I can already tell that the rotojoints are going to be much better than the poly in regards to preventing binding of the rear axle based on what I saw when loading/unloading the rear while on jackstands.


Aside from some difficult access holes to work with, everything went well up until it was time to torque the hardware. I was reusing old bolts (Originally purchased with the old UMI arms) and one of the upper control arm bolts on the frame side decided to spin instead of torqueing. We didn’t realize this until 10 PM, at which point it was too late to get new hardware in time to fix the problem…I ended up driving another car to the Nationals, and while I was there I stopped by the UMI Booth to say “Hi” to Ramey and Ryan, along with picking up a new set of bolts. Those guys have some cool stuff up their sleeves that I’m dying to see released.


This coming weekend I’m hoping to removing the offending bolt and get the car back on the road so I can report back with my impressions of the new rear arms.


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I actually felt an improvement in traction with the adjustable upper arms, I hope yours work out well for you!

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Since you're into the 16 GTA wheels and the tires are scarce. Why not re hoop those to a 17" or 18" in the desired width and offset that you prefer? This guy is the man for the job.


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Thanks for the link!

I agree that tire options are scarce for 16 inch wheels.

My only concern with rehooping the GTAs versus stepping up to a "big boy" mesh wheel like the CCWs that sickmonte has is brake caliper clearance. Wouldn't the modified wheels still have to step down to accommodate the small center section, possibly causing clearance issues?


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Not a ton of progress recently as I was busy getting ready for my wedding on August 11th.

So far I'm loving the UMI rear control arms, and I think the next step for the rear suspension is to buy and install a Watts link.


The LS1 brake swap is slow going, although I finally have all of the parts I need. Last week I chopped the "ears" off of the spindles with help from yourownself on here. Next up is to enlarge and tap the holes for the mounting brackets.

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On a slightly different note, two weeks ago I replaced my seat belts with belts from http://www.seatbeltplanet.com/

The belts that I had were from a third gen Monte and were a little long in the tooth, so I decided to replace them.
(I also hated how those stupid covers would ALWAYS fly off at random times and hide themselves under the seats. Anyone else have this problem?)

The install itself took about an hour and a half, and everything fit like a glove.

Here's the exact belts that I ordered: http://www.seatbeltplanet.com/shopping-cart/m.products/25/view/62

I ordered them in the 140" length with the 12" sleeve receiver end.

There's a discount code that you can use as well to save a few bucks: SEMA09CONS


On to the install pics...

Old versus new receiver end (The old were from a bench seat car):



Old versus new "male" end:



Original belts in place:




Removed the driver's seat:





Back seat removed:




New retractor bolted in the stock location (I removed that red piece after taking this pic):



Hole where the low part of the male end bolts (Again, stock location):




Third mounting point:




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Final install pics:









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looking good!


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Originally Posted By: yourownself
looking good!


Forgot you haven't seen them yet!

Now all you have to do is help me finish modifying those spindles. I have an autocross in late September that I want to sign up for!


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I love your interior dave, the belts look nice & fresh. Time to add a console though!

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he's had a console for 3 years. it's sitting on the top shelf in the chicken coupe. he'll get around to it after he's done helping me get my lq9 in.


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Yup, I agree that I definitely need to install a console.

I have a console from a CTS that I've been meaning to install for years, but I've been dragging my feet on that, mostly because the car was originally a bench seat car and I'd need to weld in the brackets for the console.

Jonathan, I love the new console that you installed by the way; It looks great!


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Good deal. The CTS console will definitely be something I don't think I've seen before.
After having the ProCar seats installed for a while now, what do you think about their support, & general feel? Definitely my favorite seat made & also on my "to do" list.

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Jonathan, I love the new console that you installed by the way; It looks great!


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Fitment in the car is great and they're comfortable.

Support is better than the stock seats, and the side bolsters hold you in place through the turns.

That said, I've been spoiled by the really "deep" and heavily bolstered seats in my WRX, so I hate to admit it but I prefer those to the Procars.

Have you looked into the seats that Tony SS sells? If I had to do it again, I'd take a look at those as well.

One thing to keep in mind is that I'm 5'10 165 pounds. Someone that's bigger than me might prefer a less heavily bolstered seat.


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Took the Monte to an autocross session yesterday. (Not so subtle with the lettering, I know! lmao )



Had a great time, although now I have a stalling issue to diagnose:

http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ub...;gonew=1#UNREAD

One of the guys working the course mentioned that it seemed to happen when turning left. Thinking that I may need to rename the car "Zoolander" laugh




The car didn't feel as out of control as I thought it would, but I also wasn't able to really get on it as I was always mindful of the chance of it stalling out while at speed. frown

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How much fuel was in the tank? Is the tank baffled?

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Tank was full (Just topped it off a mile or two away) and the tank is an OEM GN tank.

The tank is obviously pretty old, so I'm going to start by changing that and the fuel filter.


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Ordered a new Spectre GN tank and a new fuel filter yesterday.

While looking at tanks, I saw this note on Gbodyparts:

http://www.gbodyparts.com/product_info.p...42331bd2e785e43

"The steel baffles are welded in to replace the plastic units from GM. They can break free & starve your pump by blocking the pick up."


Given that I'm currently running an OEM tank with the plastic bowl, I wonder if I'm running into this problem when cornering?


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Wow, I've never heard of that. I'd be interested to know if that's the case.

Do you have a fuel pressure gauge? I'll be installing one on my setup.

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I have a fuel pressure gauge, but it's not meant to be used when driving around.

I probably should invest in that. Not like I don't have the room with that huge dash of mine. lmao


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I've had a little experience with Spectre fuel tanks. I had to replace the original tank in my 95 Astro, to rusty around the hole for the pickup/pump, bought a Spectre because a new GM was out of sight price-wise. After about 6 months it leaked, couldn't find the leak but got a replacement free. 6 months later the replacement leaked, got another new one, it leaked after about 7 months. But this time I could see a tear in the bottom of the tank where the sump was spot welded to the tank. Bought a Dorman tank but welded a 14 gauge 12x12 steel plate to the bottom of the tank to reinforce the area that was flexing causing the fatigue cracking. That tank is now in for about three years and no problems, yet.

GM uses plastic sumps in the Astro and the F.I. G-body tanks, and most likely in all their steel tanks.

Recently I upgraded the fuel tank in my 86 to a sumped FI Spectre tank, looked for a good used FI Monte tank but they pretty much gone from the U-Pulls now. Having a used FI tank shipped to me was also out of the question.

I do think the GM tank with the plastic sump is a better designed sump than the Spectre metal sump. But I don't think there will be an issue with fatigue cracking at the spot welds due to the number of welds that attach the sump in the Spectre Monte FI tank, which is 10. The Astro tank sump only had 8 spot welds. The Astro tank is 25 gallon and is long and narrow, and has a large flat center area where the sump was spot welded twice in each of the sump's four corners. I believe a lot of flexing in that area occurs when you run the tank from full to empty, this caused the fatigue cracking at the welds. The Spectre G-body FI tank has more ribbing closer to the area that has the sump spot welds, it holds less fuel, the sumps is welded to the sloping area of the tank, just think it should be much less prone to cracking.

By the way, the fuel tanks Quanta sells, http://www.gastanks.com/ are made by Spectre,http://www.spectrapremium.com/home.html
Also Spectre tanks are made in Canada of quality, Ni Terne plated steel, same steel GM used. Dorman and Silla are not USA or Canadian made, imported, not as good quality.

As a side note, had to replace the saddle tank in the gasoline 03 Chevy 6500 box truck at work. Only available from the Chevy dealer, no used tanks at the truck yards because of the same issues I had, they all rust out before ten years old, another GM cheatout. List was like $2800, beat the dealer down to $2200, what a deal, but that was only the tank, no pickup or pump.
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Beautiful Fall day:





Probably should have washed the car first... couch


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Nothing new in terms of content for you guys, but Bangshift will be following my progress (Or lack thereof) this winter:

http://bangshift.com/blog/project-car-in...tive-twist.html

http://bangshift.com/blog/project-el-mon...rting-with.html



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Nice write up Dave. Will it be done in time for Carlisle?


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Let's not get ahead of ourselves! smile


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Dave will be lucky to get it washed again between now and Carlisle... laugh


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You know me all too well, my friend!

I'm nothing but a parts collector these days...


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Well, to be fair, that is the hard part of hot rodding these days. Installing them is just the reward for all the hard work spent acquiring (buying) them. wink


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Knowing Dave as I do, by the way nice wheels, you just need to kick him a couple times and he'll get moving on the car again. Carlisle is just a few months away.

Have to agree with Lance on this point: Collecting the parts is work! When I was younger the wrenching part was easy and the joy was installing a bunch of cool parts you collected. Right now the plan is to pull the intake and valve train/reseal everything, install body bushings, and paint the tops of the car in lacquer. Been shopping paint and bushings for months, have 2 qts of lacquer and expensive intakes/valve cover gaskets sitting on the bench. Getting my butt moving to get those projects done is defineately the hard part right now, that I attribute to 45 years of wrenching. These days a project that you'd expect to take a few days turns into a few weeks, life just seems to get in the way.

Dave, the new centerlink, liking it a lot!
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Bob, I might have copied your centercap idea with the wheels. Hope you don't mind! smile

I saw your post on choosing body bushings; Still planning on purchasing both and then returning one of the sets?

I just need to make time to work on the car. First will be the motor mounts (Which I'm not looking forward to) and then everything else should hopefully fall into place. I've got a friend of mine helping with the spindle modifications, so once the mounts are in and the spindles modified, I can install the control arms and get an alignment.



Glad that you're liking the centerlink! This still the prototype, or do you have the final version already?

If it's cost effective, you really need to start selling those to other guys that have the B-body brake swap.


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Dave, no problem with the centercaps. To date I've made about 12 of them, lost or broke the tabs off 6. The original GM centers with the steel clips, in good condition, are very hard to find used, when you see a new set they are rediculously priced. Even the imported all plastic knockoffs I buy from the "wheel accessory" guy at Carlisle are pricey these days for a set of 4. Lucky for me I have a machinist friend who cuts for the insert, free.
When you run track events these centerpieces must be removed, have pulled mine a dozen + times, the plastic tabs fatigue, break, fall off.
But I'd do it all over again, still in love with the GTAs, own 7 fresh ones. Same for the centerpieces, look good and are expendable, easily replaced.

Motor mounts aren't that bad, just a PITA. Easiest to do if the springs are out. And your lack of a mechanical pump makes the right side a little easier. A 15mm offset box wrench is one tool you should have, especially for the right if the spring is still in.
If you're doing rubber replacements they compress a little more making install a little easier. If urethane the engine need to be lifted higher to slide the mount into place.
When the fresh engine went in I bought new GM rubber mounts, expensive was hardly the case. Also bought a set Anchor, ended up giving them away, wasn't satisfied with the guality and durometer of the India product.

A few years back as an experiment an Energy black mount was installed in just the left side (the abuse side), the GM rubber in the right was retained. A year ago when I did the 1/2" fuel upgrade a urethane went in the right side, fuel pump off and the coil spring out made that side easy.

Verdict, put quality rubber on both sides for all except heavily modded stuff. Oh, here's the GM mount for our cars, #22188497 list $142, each. The Anchor's are like $15 a set. Easy to see why urethane is the economical choice.

IMO the urethane do add noise, vibration, I think even more so in a stick car with a noisy T56. Even makes my clutch more touchy.

Not ready to push the sell button for the centerlink yet. Will be "phoning a friend" in Coopersburg for an interesting alignment first. Would like to see what numbers someone else gets on the bump and Ackerman. Still think the new link is a large improvement for the B swap, but will never be the optimum.

My AWD Astro's 4L60E lost the Sun Shell late Sun night, no R, 2nd or 4th, just 1st and 3rd. Pull the trans Mon, dropped off for rebuild Tues, pick up Fri morning to reinstall Sat. Just what I needed this time of year. Anyways, driving the 86 all week, will put a few hundred miles on the centerlink.
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Bob, any chance I could buy a few centercap inserts from you? smile

Let me know what you end up using for body mounts, as I'm hoping to be in possession of a new frame this weekend. wink


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Don't have any insert spares. Last time I think I bought them from Mike at Carlisle.

Been driving the 86 all week, several hundred miles, it's been pretty cold when the sun is down. The Astro will be back together tomorrow, yea! The 86 having all Delrin for the 16 suspension pivots, 36 psi tires, poly for engine/trans mounts, the increase of NVH on these very cold days is very noticeable. When the urethane body mounts go in I expect a good bit more NVH. But, that's the price you pay when you cross that line between good handling and trying to get the most out of the chassis.

Frame? that's a lot of work.
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Picked up the new frame last night with the help of some good friends.

It's in mint shape. All of the body mount holes are perfect and it's already been painted! smile

Supposedly it was in Jack Cotton's possession for awhile, which is a neat story. I'll get pics of it today, but the plan is to box the frame rails and swap it out for my old one with some poly bushings.


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That's a lot of work to go through just to swap out the motor mounts... wink


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That's a lot of work to go through just to swap out the motor mounts... wink




I have no idea who I would have learned this bad habit from... lmao


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I once told the wife that i spent $5000 building an engine because putting new plugs in an old engine was morally wrong lol.

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I have no idea who I would have learned this bad habit from... lmao




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Yes sir!


Here's a few pics of the frame.

Looks like a few of the rear mounts were repaired, but they're all in mint shape.

















So the plan is to box the following areas:






Those look to be right spots to box? Any other areas that I should be touching at the same time? I really don't have an interest in notching the rear frame rails (Weird, I know).


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Cool. Yes, that's a good starting point to box that area. You should also consider adding something like these to the rear http://tntraceshop.com/1978-1988_G-body_180100-180200-180101-180201.html

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Cool. Yes, that's a good starting point to box that area. You should also consider adding something like these to the rear http://tntraceshop.com/1978-1988_G-body_180100-180200-180101-180201.html
i put these in and they are well worth it! the thing to think about when notching the rear rails is this! it will be easier to get at them now rather than later! lol



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Had a few hours of free time on Monday, so I started taking apart my front suspension. Balmy 30 degrees! smile

Installing the new tall upper ball joints:




Removing the old suspension from the passenger side:




Old versus new upper control arm:




Old versus new lower control arm:




New upper installed:





The new lower was an absolute $#)@) to get in, as the Delrin bushings were a little too big. Ended up having to shave them down a hair to install them, but I finally got the lower installed:




So here's the interesting thing: With the stock lower control arm, the coil spring (Eibach 1" lowering) wasn't under much tension with the suspension at full droop. The install of the spring was a cinch (Put the spring in the lower arm and jack up the arm until the ball joint met the spindle).

With the new lower control arm, there's absolutely no way that this spring is going in without a spring compressor, and it looks like I'm going to have to get aggressive with the compressor.

Any thoughts on this?

I'm wondering if/how this will affect the ride height compared to the springs installed with stock lower arms.


I'm also debating buying a set of the DSE 2" lowering spring while the old springs are out, although they're not cheap and I'm not sure if I would be lowering the car too much for my Bilstein shocks (I should be at 1 1/2" inches with the Eibachs and tall ball joints versus 2 1/2" with the DSE springs).


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Which spindle are you going to be running?

I'm a big fan of my DSE 2" drop front springs, but I'm running the stock spindle and ball joints.

BTW, we were able to get them in the lower control arms without using a spring compressor.

Did you change the motor mount while you had that lower control arm out?


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I'm going to be using a stock Monte spindle with LS1 brakes. I have the brakes 90% assembled off of the car, and I'll finish it up once I have the spring in.

No, installing the motor mount at that time would have made too much sense... chair


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You really do relish in doing things the hard way...don't you? laugh

I vote for the DSE springs, you will LOVE the way they make the car sit and handle.


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I prefer to think of it as providing an example of how not to do things. smile

Besides having to spend $400 on new springs, I'm just wondering if 2 1/2 inches of lowering will cause issues in terms of shock travel with my current shocks.


Oh, and one thing I forgot to note before: The Spohn lower control arms don't have a spot for a lower bump stop (I have one installed in the photos but then realized that I need that hole for the sway bar endlink), so it looks like I'll need to buy these: http://www.spohn.net/shop/1978-1987-GM-G...Stops-Pair.html

Those bumpstops are for an 18mm shaft. That sound like it's the right size for our front shocks?


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The shock attaches to the lower control arm and the frame, that movement is going to be the same no matter what ball joints and spindles you choose.

I'm running stock length Edlebrock IAS shocks with my DSE 2" drop springs with no troubles.


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Right, but the frame itself will sit lower with a 2" spring versus a 1" spring.

I'm thinking that you're right in that the 1/2" of lowering via the tall ball joint won't affect that, so as long as the shocks can handle a 2" drop I'll be fine.


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Bingo... And I'd figure out a way to put a bump stop on the lower control arm before I'd use a shock bump stop.


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Originally Posted By: SSLance
The shock attaches to the lower control arm and the frame, that movement is going to be the same no matter what ball joints and spindles you choose.


^That.

Energy suspension sells bump stops that look like a step bit, where you can trim them down. They just mount with a stud, if there is somewhere you can drill frame and mount it upside down.

Can you check something for me on your new frame? My body mount holes are rotted out so badly, I'm going to have a hard time centering my new washers. Can you see if the body mount holes are centered over the access holes underneith? My other option was a plumb bob from the pocket locations on the body.

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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Energy suspension sells bump stops that look like a step bit, where you can trim them down. They just mount with a stud, if there is somewhere you can drill frame and mount it upside down.


That isn't a bad idea!

I already have a small bump stop with a stud, so I may be all set: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ens-9-9103g/overview/

Should I look into a larger one, similar to one of these?

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ens-9-9154g/overview/

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ens-9-9109g/overview/



Why is the shaft mounted bump stop is a bad idea? The shock body isn't meant to handle the bump stop engaging like a strut would?


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Nice set up, what brand are the upper control arms? Wh.at are your plans to do with the old uppers? As for your bump stops I would figure out a way to drill a hole int he frame or the lower control arm for them.

I have both the top two sets of bump stops you listed from SummitRacing. I ended up going with the fist set you listed.


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Both the upper and lower control arms are from Spohn.

So far I'm completely happy with the uppers, but the lowers were a bit of a pain to install and I now need to figure out this bumpstop issue.

It's a bummer as I went with these over the UMI lower arms (Which do have a spot for a bumpstop) due to the package pricing on the uppers and lowers.


Which bumpstop did you go with? These? http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ens-9-9154g/overview/


Did you drill a hole in the frame to install it?


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Why is the shaft mounted bump stop is a bad idea? The shock body isn't meant to handle the bump stop engaging like a strut would?


Yea, that's what I'd be worried about. I think those are intended for coil-overs.

These are the ones I was talking about.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ens-9-9101g

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NO, I installed these ones http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ens-9-9103g/overview/. I was lucky and didn't have to drill new holes for them as it had them already.


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Will be watching to see what you do for a bump stop...I have lower arms with no bump stop provisons also and trying to figure out where to mount the stop...



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Will be watching to see what you do for a bump stop...I have lower arms with no bump stop provisons also and trying to figure out where to mount the stop...


I'll make sure to post when I figure it out.


By the way, Lance is a HORRIBLE influence, as I just ordered a set of the DSE front drop springs for my car.

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laugh Just paying it forward...same has been done to me MANY times over right here on this very board. whistle


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I have an "almost"? dunce


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Looks like the car will be up in the air for a while longer, as the front springs from DSE are on back order. They're expected to ship by March 8th. eek

Still have a bunch of work to do in that area in the meantime:

- Replace the motor mounts
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Finally got a chance to work on the car for a few hours.

Not a ton of progress, but the passenger side is almost complete. Just need to bolt up the shock and sway bar end link, and bleed the caliper on that side:






Little bummed that my new rotors are already rusty, but I guess that's what happens when they sit out for a few months smile

I disassembled the driver's side as well. Wasn't able to bolt up the lower control arm yet as I'm having the same problem as I did with the passenger side: The bushings needs to be trimmed down in order to fit.

Still a ton of work to do in order to assemble the driver's side:




After that is tackling the poly motor and trans mounts, along with a new fuel filter.


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Hey Dave, what calipers are those? Are those the stock rotors?


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Hey Dave, what calipers are those? Are those the stock rotors?
Originally Posted By: Onebadbowtie86
Hey Dave, what calipers are those? Are those the stock rotors?


LS1 calipers and rotors.


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That rust will come off with scotchbrote or when you drive it, nbd. My new car does it if you dont drive it for a week.

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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
That rust will come off with scotchbrote or when you drive it, nbd. My new car does it if you dont drive it for a week.


Oh, I'm not worried about it since it will come off as soon as I drive the car like you said.

Still a bummer to see your brand new parts "rusty" before you even use them. smile


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Well...hurry up and drive the damn car then... laugh


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You should clean the rotors up with emery paper and wash them so as not to inhibit the bedding process for the new pads.

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Driver's side is now almost fully assembled.

Just need to bolt up the shock on both sides, clean up the rotors, bleed the calipers, and put the wheels back on.


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Car is back on all four wheels, although I need to move the brake hoses as they're currently too close to the frame and look like they may rub.

The car is LOW with the 2" drop springs and tall lower ball joints. How low, you ask? I had to buy a low-profile jack as my normal height floor jack is now too tall to fit under the engine crossmember. smile

Here's a few crappy pics of the front wheels in an attempt to show the current height of the front end (Yes, my garage needs to be cleaned up once I'm done with this project laugh )






I'd say that there is a little less than 2 fingers gap between the fender and the wheel. Definitely not slammed, but I really don't think that I'd want the car any lower than this.



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Looks perfect to me... Nicely done.

Now get it aligned and drive the dern thing some...


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Looking good Dave. Now we just need some of your pro photos outside toget the full effect.

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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
Tuck tire son!!!


Well, it's not "SickSpeed" low, but it's low enough that I'm finally happy with the ride height.

Originally Posted By: SSLance
Looks perfect to me... Nicely done.

Now get it aligned and drive the dern thing some...


Oh yeah, I can't wait to drive it. Just need to get those motor mounts done...

The alignment is off right now since it was aligned with the B-body spindles. The tires have some pretty noticeable toe-out at the moment. I also think that the Spohn control arms are a little shorter than the Hotchkis arms, meaning that I can probably use less shims to get the same amount of negative camber as before.

Good thing I have a shop that does alignments about 500 feet away from my garage.


Originally Posted By: Monte_ExpreSS
Looking good Dave. Now we just need some of your pro photos outside toget the full effect.


Thanks! How's your car coming along? Been able to drive it yet this year?


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Originally Posted By: SS Ninja
Good thing I have a shop that does alignments about 500 feet away from my garage.


That's convenient!


Originally Posted By: SS Ninja
Thanks! How's your car coming along? Been able to drive it yet this year?


Yes sir, I've had it out a handful of times. The weather just hasn't been that great & that's the only thing thats stopping me. It's been very reliable since the mid-season rebuild last year & I haven't really made any changes since then.
I'll be in the same boat as you in the next few weeks as I have a few handling upgrades planned. smile

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I saw that! Going the full SC&C route?

What are you picking up besides the "Stage 2" parts?


Oh, and what are you using for your brake hoses with the LS1 brakes? Can you take a photo or two of how they're routed?


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Yes, Stage 2 & a Lee 670 box. If my wallet feels up to it, I would also like to grab a Helwig rear swaybar, but that might wait until later in the year.

I'd like to hear what improvements you see in your new package, then we can compare notes laugh

By the way, I think you're really going to like the LS1 brake upgrade.

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I have Russel braided hoses for the LS1 swap. I'll see if I can grab a pic for you this weekend.

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Originally Posted By: Monte_ExpreSS
I have Russel braided hoses for the LS1 swap. I'll see if I can grab a pic for you this weekend.



Cool, thanks! I'm currently using the hoses from Kore3.

Do you know the part number for the Russell hoses?


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Those look very similar to the Kore3 ones, so it'd definitely be great to see how you have them routed.


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YGM smile

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Getting a little bit closer to actually driving the car this year lmao


I know that this may have some of you shaking your heads, but since I don't seem to ever have time to work on the car with my new job and grad school, I decided to take the new motor and trans mounts off the table for this year.

Here's what I did yesterday:
- Bleed the brakes
- Installed heat reflecting tape around a few areas that were close to the passenger side header
- "Gently" clearanced the passenger side header where it is close to the control arm bushing and the frame and touched up any ding marks/scratches with VHT aluminum paint (Actually a close match to the color of the original ceramic coating)
- Reinstalled the exhaust
- Changed the oil
- Realized that I've been using the wrong spark plugs for my heads (Vortec) for the last few years and replaced them with the right ones dunce (I was using R44TS plugs and replaced them with R44LTS plugs)
- Replaced the 180 degree thermostat with a 160
- Fired up the car laugh and checked for leaks/bleed the coolant system of air from replacing the thermostat



Next up (This coming weekend?):
- Alignment
- Replace the old gas tank, fuel pump sock, and fuel filter
- Test drive of the new suspension (And hope that nothing falls apart couch )


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Right on!


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Very exciting! I am close to getting mine back on the road too smile

Oh, and you should have a delivery today wink

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Right on!
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Right on!


I forgot to add "Sign up for an autocross, you nancy!" to my list of "Next up" steps. smile

Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
Very exciting! I am close to getting mine back on the road too smile

Oh, and you should have a delivery today wink



I saw that! I had a pretty simple suspension install, while you had the body off the frame. I think you won this round.


Looking forward to checking out the new clutch pedal!


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Originally Posted By: SS Ninja

I forgot to add "Sign up for an autocross, you nancy!" to my list of "Next up" steps. smile



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I saw that! I had a pretty simple suspension install, while you had the body off the frame. I think you won this round.


Looking forward to checking out the new clutch pedal!


I don't really have anything different with mine though in terms of mods. I guess it will drive differently with 100% of the body mounts secured rather than 50% though.

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It'll feel faster, just because it's cleaner... laugh


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I'm just going to leave these here laugh















Finally got the car aligned, although they couldn't get the alignment correct AND the steering wheel straight, so it's about 40 degrees off. Need to fix that, but otherwise the car drives great.

Camber: -1 degree
Caster: +5 degrees
Toe: 0



Also, check out how much room I have now with the new arms:



With the Hotchkis arms and B-body spindles, I couldn't get close to -1 degree without the control arm practically touching the header.

Also, I don't have any photos pre-alignment, but the steering arms for the B-body spindle really are in a completely different location than the Monte spindle. After swapping back to a Monte spindle and the tall balljoint setup with lowering springs, my car had about -3 degrees of camber and the tires were toed out in completely opposite directions.


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Lookin great Dave! I'm diggin the new stance.
I don't get the whole couldn't get the steering wheel straight thing. What was the alignment shops explanation? Did they run out of room on the tie rods? Do you have a aftermarket steering wheel on there? Jeep shaft clocked wrong?

How do you like how it handles now?

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Thanks!

Tie rod on the driver's side ran out of room (Touching before toe was even remotely close to being 0). Stock steering wheel.

By the way, for anyone looking to lower their car: This is about a 3 inch drop in the front and is definitely as low as I would go for static height with a street car. I already have a hard time with steep inclines and some speedbumps as is.


On the plus side, the car handles and stops well!


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Looks good!! Sucks about the alignment. I had an alignment scare after installing the hotchkis steering kit and sleeves. The drivers side was maxed inward and still had too much toe out. They had to trim the tie rods slightly to gain enough toe in.

Keep on rolling.

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Interesting, as that is my exact problem (I have the same tie rode sleeves).

Looks like I may be doing the same thing.


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So are you guys saying the inner & outer tie rods are touching end to end inside the sleeve, or are you running out of thread?
Are the Hotchkis sleeves shortewr than a stock one?

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I was told that the inner and outer ends were touching when they attempted to align the car with the steering wheel straight.

Haven't looked at it myself yet since I got it aligned yesterday afternoon.


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Omg! Is it even clean as well?


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Clean as it's going to be without a new paint job! Ok, the engine bay is still a mess...




Unfortunately this is the only photo I could find of the old control arm setup, as it was focused on the header to frame clearance (Or lack thereof).

Notice how many shims were present to get close to -1 degree of camber (And that the header was touching the bushing).



Now see how much clearance there is now with the same amount of negative camber. I also dimpled in the header tube slightly to clear the frame; looks like the paint that I used to cover the damage to the ceramic coating is already burning off...





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If that upper arm is that much shorter, you should have a bit more camber gain as the suspension compresses, which is a good thing!

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Originally Posted By: Monte_ExpreSS
So are you guys saying the inner & outer tie rods are touching end to end inside the sleeve, or are you running out of thread?
Are the Hotchkis sleeves shorter than a stock one?



The inner and outer tie rods were maxed with no threads available to move inward any more. I am sure they are shorter but not sure by how much. They utilize the jam nuts to secure them. The tie rods themselves may be the ultimate culprit as if the sleeve is longer, the overall length would be way too long for adequate toe in. Granted if the threads are cut deeper, you may end up butting the inner and outer tie rods together if they are not trimmed.

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Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
If that upper arm is that much shorter, you should have a bit more camber gain as the suspension compresses, which is a good thing!



They do seem to be a bit shorter based on the number of shims that were removed.

I should measure both arms while I still have the old ones to see exactly how much shorter the new ones are.


I've been driving the car the last few days and so far it's a huge improvement. The one thing I need to get used to is watching for speed bumps and steep inclines/declines in parking lots; I've scraped a few times already frown


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Scraped the chin spoiler? If so, lower the rear. It makes a surprising difference!

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Not the spoiler. Depending on the obstacle ( lmao ) it's either my front plate quick disconnect or the headers from the sound of the scraping noise.

Thinking headers on speedbumps (If I go over them too quickly) and the front plate disconnect on steep entrances/exits.


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Here's the plate quick disconnect:





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Lower the rear... wink

I might have some DSE rear springs for sale soon btw... whistle


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Originally Posted By: SSLance
Lower the rear... wink

I might have some DSE rear springs for sale soon btw... whistle



Shoot me a PM!

Although now I'm interested as to what springs you will be going with and how much those cost. smile

Are you planning on keeping the DSE front springs?


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Yes on the fronts...on back Ron thinks I need a bit stiffer spring to control the axle better. trick will be finding one the right height.

I did find out that I can use adjustable spring perches or even run coil over shocks and still run in Street Modified.

We've got to fine tune the front first, then work on the back later.


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Do your headers sit below the frame? We tooke a porta-power and pushed my passenger side up. The driver's side Dynatech header was perfect where it was. Neither sits below the frame now.

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Do your headers sit below the frame? We tooke a porta-power and pushed my passenger side up. The driver's side Dynatech header was perfect where it was. Neither sits below the frame now.


Hmm, I would have to look to be honest. I am running Hooker longtubes.


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Picked up some new goodies this week: Momo "Quake" steering wheel and an NRG short hub and quick release.

I really like the factory Momo wheel in my WRX and thought I'd try a nice wheel in the Monte as well.


The wheel is 350mm, which is much smaller than stock. I haven't done my final measurements yet, but I might end up only using the short hub and not the quick release if the combination of the two puts the steering wheel too close to me.



Took a couple of quick photos of everything (Edited out my desk in two of them since it's a mess).



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Here's the quick release assembled:



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Very tasteful choice of wheel Dave, should look & feel great.

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Love that steering wheel. Let us know how it works out! Looking for a flat bottom one myself. Where did you get it?


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Thanks guys!

I'll post up photos and driving impressions once it is installed.


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Love that steering wheel. Let us know how it works out! Looking for a flat bottom one myself. Where did you get it?



The Quake wheel is discontinued, so I picked it up on Ebay used.


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Any recommendations for a helmet? Looking to buy one for use at the drag strip and autocross.


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Bought this one a couple years ago. Closed face would protect you more but, they reduce vision to the sides, are hotter and cost more. Certain classes require a full face, check your local rules. Not sure what the SCCA has to say about them. For drag racing an open face is fine until 9.99.
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SCCA autocross is fine with open face.

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Try to find a place that sells locally...so you can try them on to find the right size.

I bought my closed face RaceQuip at a local speed shop that caters to the roundy round guys. Was about $230 if I remember right, could have got it a bit cheaper online somewhere, but don't mind supporting the local brick and mortar stores when I can.


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Blew out a tire on the WRX during some "spirited" driving over some train tracks (Put a 4" nail through the top of the tire and out the sidewall), so I'm driving the Monte all week.

Not a bad deal, but I guess this means that I need to fix my t-top leak before the big rain storm tomorrow/Friday...

I'm going to start by tightening the t-tops themselves: http://www.montecarloss.com/SS_FAQ_14.html#1


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I like that plate disconnect. It's on my to do list for this winter. I hope you dont mind that I copy your design.

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Go for it!

I actually bought that off of another member that was selling them a year or so back.


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No pics just yet (Lame, I know!), but I installed the Momo wheel and quick disconnect.

First impressions are that it feels much better in my hands than the stock Monte wheel.


On an unrelated note: If you're running the LS1 or C5 brake swap with modified spindles, MAKE SURE TO USE LOCTITE ON ALL OF THE BOLTS. Let's just say that I may not have and some of the bolts holding the adapter bracket to the frame started to back out.... eek


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Couple of photos of the NRG quick disconnect and the Momo wheel.


Disconnect and short hub installed on the column:






Wheel side of quick disconnect with the release pushed back to show the ball bearings:




Diameter of Momo wheel compared to the stock SS wheel (Smaller, but not too small at 350 mm /13.78 inches):





Wheel installed (And showing how much further away from the dash the wheel now is):







For me, I like sitting relatively close to the dash for my size (5' 9"), so the steering wheel being an inch or two closer to me isn't a negative thing. That said, the wheel does feel much smaller in my hands than the SS wheel. It's good, but it will definitely take some getting use to.

No slop at all in the quick disconnect either, which is very good.


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Looks awesome Dave

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I likey!!

I guess this is one idea I can steal away from Dave after all of the other ideas he is stealing away from me.

I like it as a theft deterrent device...hard to drive a vehicle away if it ain't got no steering wheel...


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It wouldn't hurt so much if it wasn't true...


Hey, I DID give you the idea to buy some 16x8 thirdgen F-body wheels instead of steel wheels! lmao



By the way, I bought the NRG hub and quick release from Jegs and saved a TON of money by finding the parts listed cheaper elsewhere and using the instant price-matching that Jegs offers.


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Originally Posted By: SS Ninja


Hey, I DID give you the idea to buy some 16x8 thirdgen F-body wheels instead of steel wheels! lmao



So true... We are probably pretty close to even then. wink


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I like that wheel. The large size of the SS wheel becomes very apparent when you find yourself on a tight course. I need a smaller wheel and a faster box.

When I bought my C5 swap spindles/adapter brackets from another member here, the bolt heads were tack welded to the adapter to keep them from backing out. I would do that, or safety wire at a minimum. Don't take any chances with that stuff.

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Been a while since I've given the SS any attention thanks to the LS, but I finally picked up some new parts for the old girl.




Can't wait for some warmer weather so I can install them! I'm especially excited about the GPS speedometer module. laugh




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Just read through this whole build thread. Car looks awesome! Any new updates?


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Originally Posted By: JckHmrMonteSS
Just read through this whole build thread. Car looks awesome! Any new updates?


Thanks!

No real updates at the moment, as the dashboard is still ripped out of the car for the Autometer gauge install.

I've been really busy with my Monte LS the past few weeks, but I need to give the SS some love soon.


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Man it's been a while since I've updated this. Not much done to the SS since I've been busy with work, buying a new house, and the LS Monte, but I did have time to finally install the Auto Meter gauges that I picked up in the Spring.





The GPS speedo is neat stuff and overall much better than the Glowshift gauges that they replaced in regards to reliability (The Glowshift gauges were starting to act up after a few years).

Full write-up is here: http://bangshift.com/general-news/tech-stories/bangshift-tech-cure-gauge-woes-thanks-auto-meter/


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Speaking of the new house, here's a good a place as any to write about the SS's new home.

My wife and I bought a "new to us" house last month and I've been busy working on it ever since. lmao

I say "new to us" as it was built in 1856 with a porch and two bay garage added in 1910 when they moved the house. It's a really great space with a ton of character and ROOM (2500 square feet of living space plus a 1200 square foot basement).

While the garage isn't much bigger than the "chicken coop" (Houlie and a few others will get that one) the SS used to be housed in, this garage actually belongs to me and I can do what I want with it.

Not much has been done to it so far, so I'll post up photos taken earlier in the week.


Both bays have barn-style doors that swing out



Stepping inside, here's my lawn tractor (Need this now that I'm out of the suburbs and actually have a little bit of land) and all of the crap left behind by the previous owner, including that table full of scrap wood and pool supplies.




Yeah, I don't know what's up with this wiring job either. It's one of the first things that I need to work on.




Here's the other bay, which currently has a gravel floor. It's getting a bit cold to pour concrete (Or so I'm told) so I may wait until the Spring to do so.




This wall is also coming down to give me some extra room. I'm hoping to tear it down in the next few weeks if time permits.



There's also this cool old fuse box that isn't actually connected to the main wiring. I've since removed it as it's taking up a lot of space on the wall and isn't functional.




With an old house comes old windows, and with old windows comes window weights. I'm guessing these were removed from the kitchen as that is the only room in the house with modern windows. I've got a planned side project to restore all of the old windows, but with over 30 in total that's going to be a long-term side project...






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Ok, but where are all of the tools and parts going to go? In the basement, of course. smile

The basement is a little over 1200 square feet and is on the same level as the garage (Which is awesome as I have a really short walk from one to the other), but unfortunately the majority of the basement is dirt floor.

Here's the section that is (rather old) concrete floor and will be used for storage space for my car stuff until I pour concrete in the rest of the basement.

The plan is to build some wooden shelving and stick it on this wall along with my tool box.




Here's the wall and door leading out to the back patio, garage, and driveway, along with the most feminine yet surprisingly sturdy workbench I have ever seen. Debating on painting this versus replacing it as it actually is well-built.




Oh, and here's a shelf for all of my random aerosol cans. I can't be the only one that has this, right?






So, there we have it in its current state. I'll (hopefully) keep this updated as I get it ready to house my SS, which is still being stored in my old garage. I could definitely use ideas and suggestions from you guys as I work on improving the space.


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The moment I have been wating for is finally here!

...Yep, someone finally stepped up and made 17" GTA wheels!


http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/gta-mesh-wheel-set-of-4-17-x-9-black-reproduction/

Of course, looking at the backspacing it looks to be about 1/4" off from the "ideal" 4.5" of backspacing for a 17x9. Looks like I need to do some measuring.


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Cool old garage!


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Wow, don't know how I missed your buying a house Dave! I wish you all the happiness an old house can bring. And all the new found knowledge that goes along with "fixen er up".
You need to post a few pics of the grounds. How about the LS sitting in the snowy driveway?

I found the basement walls interesting for a house that got moved. Pour walls in the garage area, a good thing. Wiring in the garage was the handwork of someone short on time. Hopefully the electric service is adequate for running a couple 20A circuits there.
Best of luck with you new job.

It will be interesting to see what the quality of that new 17" GTA wheel is. Hawk has been hyping this wheel for several years now, long overdue production.
As you know I have eight zero offset 16" GTA wheels I run. One is a 1989 factory original I just purchased and reconditioned, five are Classic Industries repos I bought in year 2000 and two were bought from Classic about 3 years ago. The 1989 and the five 14 year old wheels are identical, same Made in Japan manufactorer, excellent wheels. The two "new" GTA wheels from Classic are Made In China, not close to the quality, slightly different shape, valve stem holes poorly located, and the clear coat was junk in less than 1000 miles. I just had to strip the polished areas of clear and oxidized alum. Very dissapointed in that.

Usually several companies will pull together to introduce a product like this. Typically OPG, Classic team up, they were the ones who got the 16" GTA reintroduced, produced, in China. Hopefully this new wheel will be the quality of the original GTA wheels. And I sit here and think there is really only one 16" tire choice left in a 245 or 255/50x16 these days, the BFG Sport Comp 2, a 17" GTA sounds sweet. Under a grand for a set would tweak my interest, a little.
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Originally Posted By: SS Ninja
The moment I have been wating for is finally here!

...Yep, someone finally stepped up and made 17" GTA wheels!


http://www.hawksthirdgenparts.com/gta-mesh-wheel-set-of-4-17-x-9-black-reproduction/

Of course, looking at the backspacing it looks to be about 1/4" off from the "ideal" 4.5" of backspacing for a 17x9. Looks like I need to do some measuring.


Those look very nice.


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Congrats on the house!!

What's the power situation in the garage? I have my house's 200A main breaker panel in my garage, which is super convenient. I ran a circuit for my compressor, welder, and recently one for my new heater. Putting a window unit and a heater in my garage were two of the best purchases I have made for the garage. I love being able to work in comfort. Check out MC cable for running your garage circuits. It's metal-sheathed and is safer than the wire that's currently running across the ceiling (which is supposed to be in a wall). That's what I ran for my heater.



I have a spray can shelf just like that too! haha

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Thanks guys!


Bob, I actually picked up a second set of clean GTA wheels the day before reading about the 17 inch wheels. I'm going to hold on to them until I see some feedback on the 17" replicas.


Bernie, there's power in the garage although I have to take a closer look at the breaker to see if all of the labels are accurate. You know how that goes...

That is heater is a GREAT idea. I'll have to look into that when I'm adding new lighting and whatnot.


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haha, yea my wife and I had fun trying to figure out what breaker did what one day. I was preparing for a storm and had my generator ready to go but I only wanted to turn on what was needed at the box.

I love that heater. I turned it on last night and the garage was comfortable within 15 minutes. Northern Tool has one just like it for $99 but I kept reading about them failing 2 years down the road in the reviews. This one was $260 from Home Depot but it had much better feedback. I was at $350 all in with 25' of wiring and the junction box, switch, etc. I spliced into the wiring for the thermostat, so that switch kills the signal but allows the fans to keep running to cool down the elements, as designed. I need to put a label on the switch that it doesn't kill the power to the unit, just so I remember or in case someone else works on it for some reason.

I had considered kerosene and propane as well, but with the garage being attached and me in there grinding and welding all the time, I figured electric was the safest. Plus I don't have to fool with fuel or smell like diesel.

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Been a while since I've updated this.

With the LS down with the neverending transmission swap, I've been using the SS for autocross duty.

I'll post the link to the BangShift article for now and add the content and photos directly to MCSS.com later.

http://bangshift.com/general-news/nut-dr...he-other-monte/


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Awesome blog, this is exactly how i intended to build my car until i decided i needed big powah

awesome car, great blog, keep up the good work


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I like the blog!

I would expect a 5/8" spring spacer to raise the car about 1.25" if they didn't compress at all, due to the ~0.5 motion ratio.

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I was expecting the same, but the tape measure doesn't lie. smile

Guessing that the spacer is compressing a decent amount based on the before and after ride height.


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Heading out bright and early tomorrow for Peru, Indiana to meet up with Lance at the CAM East Challenge.

Going to be a fun weekend!


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Woot!!


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Had a blast at the event!

I'll be writing about it soon, but in the meantime here's a photo from the ride home. I think I'll be switching permanently to gold wheels from black.



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