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#854457 - 02/17/11 06:43 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Lance those 5660's are real stiff. I ran them in my 84 El Camino and I should have opted for the 5658's. If you do run them, I'd pair 'em with Bilsteins.

#854460 - 02/17/11 06:52 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: Tony_SS]  
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I've got a pretty new set of Edleberock IAS shocks up front now that I plan on reusing...

Right now, with the 1" drop Eibachs in the back, the back seems planted while the front is wishy washy all over the place. Kind of reminds me of the cars we drove back in the day with Air Shocks pumping up the back of the cars. I wanted to stiffen up the front quite a bit while keeping the ride height just about the same.

I guess we'll see how it does, I'll report back for sure.


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#854493 - 02/17/11 10:02 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Keep on truckin Lance. I give you a lot of credit, I would have been sick of it a long time ago. laugh


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#854508 - 02/17/11 10:48 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: MY FYN 79]  
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Who says I'm not sick of it? laugh

Actually, I'm just sick of the cleaning parts part of it. Now the fun begins, putting all the clean shiny new parts back on.

It's been like Christmas morning around here just about every day this week...my UPS guy is beginning o wonder exactly what I'm putting together with all these new parts coming in.


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#856631 - 02/27/11 04:37 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Made a little progress on her today, got the firewall and frame painted.

And I know I keep saying almost all of the loose parts are painted...but I keep finding more to clean up and paint. Today it was the blower motor some small brackets, and the bolts off ot he fire wall.

Anyway, on to the pics.















Parts, parts, and more parts...just waiting to start bolting them back on now...







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#856637 - 02/27/11 04:52 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Coming along nicely!! All the hard work is gonna be worth it!


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#856642 - 02/27/11 05:13 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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Looks awesome man. Is that the satin chassis black? how much did it take you to do the firewall & frame? I just ordered 9 cans of the stuff to do the entire frame & firewall on our 442. + I won't mind having some left over if I feel like attacking the Monte laugh

#856644 - 02/27/11 05:26 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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Looks like you're having WAY to much fun! At the rate you are moving along it won't be long before you be scrating your head, saying, "do I really want to start this thing again and get it dirty?".

Isn't it amazing how the stupid little details can slow you down?
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#856650 - 02/27/11 07:37 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Awesome work as usual Lance! Just let me know when you're done so I can drop mine off laugh


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#856658 - 02/27/11 12:34 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Originally Posted By: Monte_ExpreSS
Looks awesome man. Is that the satin chassis black? how much did it take you to do the firewall & frame? I just ordered 9 cans of the stuff to do the entire frame & firewall on our 442. + I won't mind having some left over if I feel like attacking the Monte laugh



First everything was cleaned right down to the metal, even the surface rust was ground off. I then used about 2 full cans of Eastwoods Rust Encapsulator as a base coat\primer on everything. The firewall, inner fenders, and top of the core support took just over one can of Eastwoods Underhood Black and the frame took just over one can of Eastwoods Chassis Black Stain. I know the Eastwood stuff costs more, but one can goes real far and lays down super nice.



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Isn't it amazing how the stupid little details can slow you down?
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I've got one little detail I still can't figure out what to do with, but I better quickly.

The stacks of shims on each upper control arm bolt. I put each stack in a separate well marked bag as I took them apart. I even took each bag and bead blasted the shims one batch at a time and rebagged them (so they are clean)...but I haven't figured out how I can paint them and still be assured that I get all of them back in the right spots again. crazy

You can't hang them on wire, because they are "C" shaped, so they'd have to be laid flat to paint and I just don't see me being able to do that (painting and dry time, both sides, all 4 bags worth) while still keeping them all separated correctly so they go back where they are supposed to.

I'm leaning towards just putting them back on in bare metal and shooting a couple of shots of Chassis Black over them once in place. Goes against my nature, but common sense says that's the safest way. Any other ideas?


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#856659 - 02/27/11 12:55 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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That's looking good and clean Lance. But I have to ask it....When is chassis black too much? Shouldn't the fenders and firewall be the body color?

That heat riser snout on the air cleaner is dated to the 60'S IMO. What do you think about removing it and having a nice clean round fresh air can? I think that would be much cleaner looking.

I'm only making suggestions Lance, I really love the car!


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#856670 - 02/27/11 02:00 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: 1 Slow SS]  
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I actually bought a can of Garnett Red Duplicolor to see how close to the body color it was to do the inner fenders and firewall with it, but it wasn't even close. If I was repainting the whole car, I probably would do the inner fenders and firewall body color, but that isn't in the cards any time soon. The hard parts of cleaning and prepping them is done and the black will have to do for now. If it ever happens down the road, it won't be that hard to repaint them as the rest of the car is being painted. I faced the same dilemma when I did the floor pans underneath the car and came up with the same answer.

The only part about removing the snout on the air cleaner that I question is the guys that were doing the calculations on how much air will actually flow through the inlet on the cowl hood vs how much air the engine needs. I don't want to choke the air inlet down too much. Plus, I kind of like that 60s style air cleaner housing look, especially with the cowl induction part of it. I do have about a half pint of the paint used to paint my hood left over and am considering painting the air cleaner housing with it. We'll see though as that would be a HUGE departure from my nature.

I'm kind of trying to follow Foose's idea of the engine being the jewel that your eyes are drawn to when the hood is opened, and everything else is just background. We'll just have to see how it turns out.


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#856679 - 02/27/11 02:54 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Originally Posted By: SSLance
I stuck with the drop spindles but am replacing the stock front springs with Moog 5660s. I'll probably get some ZQ8 bumpstops too to help with any rubbing issues if needed after that.



I know I am a little late on this but I thought I would drop my experience with doing the same thing. I had Moog 5660 springs and drop spindles on my 88 SS. There is no need in getting the ZQ8 bumpstops as they will not even come close to touching the frame before your tires are already in your fenderwells. If you want my opinion on what to do I would trim the springs a full coil and install the bumpstops and install factory spindles. On my car the tires rubbed pretty easily and often until I installed the Billstein shocks, they stopped the tire rub almost completely!

Keep up the great work, I hope I get to see it sometime this summer.


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#856826 - 02/28/11 01:04 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: ss4ever]  
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As far as painting the shims; you could mike (measure) each shim stack for each location so you know what goes where, you could drill a small hole in each shim and hang each grouping on a wire, you stamp or scribe a number on each for it's location.

Or just clean each shim up and reinstall. On your next alignment will probably end up with a few unpainted shim anyhow.

From the performance stand point I would stay with the cold air package you have. It's really hard to find a really sweet looking, shiny air cleaner that isn't installed on a 1000 other engines. One thing I would do is drill each of the 90 .220" hole in the perfed hood intake to .3125" or larger if you could. Doing the math 90 holes @.220" = 3.43 sq in to supply the air cleaner. Even drilling to .3125" (5/16") will only net 6.88. One 4" duct is 12.56", I run two 4" to the F-body air cleaner. When the Goodmark hood was first introduced I talked with a Goodmark rep at Carlisle, why the perfed intake sheetmetal? First, only the 1st Gen camaro cowl hood has no perfed sheetmetal to cover that intake area, it's wide open to duplicate the original Camaro cowl hood. The reason they put the perf there is to keep the trash that endes up at the base of the windshield from being sucked into the air filter. Without the perfed plate the opening is a little over 30 sq in, big difference between that and 3.43 sq in.

Another way to look at this is the sec throttle plates in a Qjet are almost 2.250" in diameter, times 2, is 8 sq in, add 3 for the primary, makes it 11 sq in @ WOT.
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#856838 - 02/28/11 01:33 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: mmc427ss]  
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I've got a number stamp set, that is a great idea. Thanks. I could also mic each set as a backup just in case I fill the numbers in with paint or something.

Painted my inner fender wells today, I think they came out fantastic. No pics yet though as I came in to watch the race and now it's raining so I don't want to go back out there with the camera.

I used Eastwoods Rubberized undercoating on the underside and Under hood black on the tops with very careful prep beforehand. I think they look very nice.


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#856842 - 02/28/11 01:57 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Lance , When I redid my front end I went to the guy that was going to do the alignment , he gave me all the shims I needed . Put it back together with bare metal new ones . Took it to him , he checked them all out . After the alignment I went home and Bruch painted them on the car . By the time they show rust and rot out Iíll be long gone .


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#857466 - 03/02/11 03:24 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: Hey-O]  
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Reassembly has commenced...

Last night I got the motor mounts and control arms reinstalled. It's ready for Coil Springs and spindles now.







I also snapped a couple of pictures of my inner fender wells...just because I'm so happy with how they turned out.

Eastwoods Underhood black on the top side



Eastwoods rubberized undercoating on the bottom side.



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#857740 - 03/03/11 06:35 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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What can a guy say , Looks new . Well done !!


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#857799 - 03/04/11 01:44 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: Hey-O]  
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Looks great once again...my LS's wheelwells are out and I've been happy with the Dupli color semi gloss black, but tempted to re-spray with the Eastwood underhood black, hmm.


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Made some major progress on the car this weekend. Suspension, steering, and brakes...all reinstalled.









I then started cleaning up on the engine a bit.


It's pretty fun putting clean freshly painted parts back together... especially when you can find all of the right nuts and bolts and you remember where everything goes... If things go smooth, I may have the engine back between the frame rails by the end of the week.


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#858574 - 03/07/11 04:21 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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dats purdy!

#861056 - 03/18/11 02:04 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: Monte_ExpreSS]  
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I had the missus help me get the transmission from the engine stand to the transmission jack last night...so I took another 10 minutes and went ahead and put it in the car.

Here it is sitting on my new G-force cross member...



There is about a 1/4" gap between the humps on the cross member and the floor pans...guess that means my body bushings are still in pretty good shape huh?

While I had the good camera out, I also took some better pictures of the engine bay for your viewing pleasure...








That is the last of the big pieces to go back onto the car...now it's down to the bits and pieces of newly cleaned and restored parts to bolt back on to it.

Hopefully make some good progress on it this weekend. Probably do the rest of the firewall parts, then front engine accessories...then start in on the wire harness getting it all laid out and bundled up.

Last time I put the whole engine together and dropped it all down into the car at once. This time I basically put the bare long block in by itself, then the trans and now I'm going to bolt all of the little stuff onto it. Plan B has gone a WHOLE lot smoother than plan A did last time...for sure.


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#861072 - 03/18/11 04:24 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Great progress as usual, Lance! thumbs


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Looks good Lance, going serpentine belt?


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I'm looking at test driving a set of March under drive pulleys a friend has made me a sweet offer on.


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