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#1036044 - 03/08/16 12:00 AM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: upflying]  
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That hooker set up is awesome. I just dumped my entire LS3 and BRP swap due to the improvements they made.

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#1036045 - 03/08/16 12:20 AM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: s10mike]  
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Originally Posted By: s10mike
Originally Posted By: spacemanspif
Friend used their whole kit and the header fitment is top notch but you'll need to get the car way in the air to get them in from under the car. I don't remember any tight looking spots, but for the fitment they may be worth trying.

Was your friend able to install them from underneath with the ac box in place?


Totally missed that question. Yes, we put them in with the AC box in place. Maxed out the lift of the Jack and needed to put a block of wood on the pad to lift high enough to get the header in.

Agree with 1 slow SS above statement. The hooker setup is very nice and fit great. BRP was first on the scene but hooker is they best over seen to date.

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F-body bucket seats, camaro console, carb'd 5.3/4L80E swap

Fastest time to date: 13.671 @ 103.79
Best r/t: 0.007 I got lucky smile

Killed a few cones too

#1037965 - 04/18/16 11:22 PM Re: LS series engine swap info for the 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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I'm leaning towards a ls swap for the winter. Besides the engine what's a ball park figure on how much it will cost to do a swap

#1037983 - 04/19/16 01:15 PM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: jmireles]  
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Originally Posted By: jmireles
Cool, that's what I'll use.
Scott, are you using your charcoal canister?


Sorry I missed this. No I dont have the charcoal canister hooked up.

#1037984 - 04/19/16 01:53 PM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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What kind of setup are you going for? As cheap as you can get it, or clean and professional? Without engine/transmission, you are looking at anything from $1500 to $5000 or more.


Sometimes you just need a bigger hammer...

'85 MC with budget 5.3L swap, TH350 with stock 2.14 rear end
It ain't much off the line, but it's nice on the highway
#1038109 - 04/21/16 12:26 PM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: Hunter79764]  
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Originally Posted By: Hunter79764
What kind of setup are you going for? As cheap as you can get it, or clean and professional? Without engine/transmission, you are looking at anything from $1500 to $5000 or more.

I'm not going for the cheapest way and definitely not going for the most expensive route.

#1038131 - 04/21/16 05:55 PM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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Plan on $2000 plus the cost of your engine and transmission. That should get you a decent swap with nothing fancy but not junk either. That should be reasonable, but you will still need to watch your budget. If you fix every problem with a credit card, you could easily add another $1000. That's my estimate.


Sometimes you just need a bigger hammer...

'85 MC with budget 5.3L swap, TH350 with stock 2.14 rear end
It ain't much off the line, but it's nice on the highway
#1043301 - 09/08/16 07:15 AM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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always wanted to do this swap. I have an '86 original with the 4.3 v6. wanting to put in either a complete 4.8/5.3 (whichever is cheapest). daily driver with no A/C. I just need to bite the bullet now!! Guess the only part that concerns me is the wiring..which I don't know anything about lol

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#1045131 - 11/07/16 01:56 PM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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Going to start looking into this for my own swap this winter.

fitech ls system

The only thing that's missing is the fuel pump.


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#1046297 - 12/12/16 11:45 PM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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Picked up a running driving 5.3 and 4L60E from an 03 express with all wiring, plumbing and accys for $200. Can't wait 'till I get some manifolds and the cts pan! Might retain the 2004r for the time being though.

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1984 Monte Carlo Super Sport [deathmatch with a Santa Fe]
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#1046312 - 12/13/16 10:30 PM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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If the 4L60E is good, I'd stick with it. I kept my TH350 and regret not doing a modern trans while I did the rest of the swap. Saved a couple bucks but took about the same amount of effort as changing over to the 4L60, and I still don't have OD. Just my $.02.


Sometimes you just need a bigger hammer...

'85 MC with budget 5.3L swap, TH350 with stock 2.14 rear end
It ain't much off the line, but it's nice on the highway
#1046385 - 12/16/16 11:29 PM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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Got a 06 gto ls2 donor engine, pedal and harness into my 88 Monte carlo.. Can anyone tell me what they did to make cruise control work on theirs? I've been reading that the 05-06 gto require something different


1988 Monte Carlo SS LS2, Hooker Blackheart 3“ Exhaust, 4l60e transmission, 8.5' 3.42 Grand National rear end
#1046387 - 12/17/16 12:34 AM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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I did the same 06 gto package in my car but never figured out the cruise unfortunately. I wouldn't mind getting it working if its fairly simple.


'86 Monte carlo ss-Frame off resto-mod.
Ls2/t56/8.5"
#1052055 - 07/06/17 06:15 PM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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Quick question about normal operating temperature for the LS engine. I ran a live data scan while driving and show 210 while stopped and idling and 206 when moving in 80 degree weather.. This is with both gen 4 Camaro Z28 fans pulling through a new but stock radiator filled with 50/50 Dexcool..
Is this temp normal? I haven't checked it yet with the AC on.


86 MCSS Notchback coupe, LS3, 4L65E, QP 9", Eaton Truetrac, 4 wheel disc, column shift, Dakota Digital, silver with maroon bench interior

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#1052076 - 07/07/17 02:30 PM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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Just picked up an LQ4. Would post pictures but photobucket is the worst.

Planning on using:
LQ4 + 200-4r
Hooker Engine Mounts P/N 12643HKR
Energy suspension poly inners and trans mount.
Hooker 302-2 Muscle Car Pan
Truck accessories + DBW Truck TB + intake (including low mount AC compressor)
Summit flexplate Spacer
EBAY shorty headers made out of the best stainless steel Guangzhou has to offer.
Microsquirt controller and custom harness
GN sending unit
Aeroquip 340LPH in tank pump
GN Fuel Tank.

(and possibly an LS3 cam and valve spring swap)

Paid $700 for a 125K mile LQ4 and the goal is to get it done for a budget of $2500

I'll let everyone know any troubles I run into.

Last edited by thepezking639; 07/07/17 02:32 PM.

86 SS 6.0L LQ4, TBSS GEN IV intake, 92mm TB, 30lb injectors, Summit Stage 3 NA Cam, Stainless long tube headers, Stainless 3in exhaust, Microsquirt ECU, FABbot AR5 5-speed, Torsen LSD, QA1 Lvl 3 Suspension Kit, UMI Front & Rear Braces. Check out my build blog on Summit Racing's OnAll Cylinders https://www.onallcylinders.com/author/travis-jones/
#1052083 - 07/07/17 07:25 PM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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Sounds like a great start thumbs


Sometimes you just need a bigger hammer...

'85 MC with budget 5.3L swap, TH350 with stock 2.14 rear end
It ain't much off the line, but it's nice on the highway
#1052560 - 07/25/17 12:05 AM Re: STICKY: LS series engine swap - 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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Upfyling,

My silverado runs at 210 all day long, my monte runs at 190 with the same 210 t-stat. Don't know why but the monte runs 20° cooler in the same weather. I wouldn't worry hitting 210 unless you put a colder t stat in.


86 SS LSX/4l60E
I wonder IF I'll ever get to finish the dang blasted hot sides?
#1052854 - 08/10/17 09:43 AM Re: LS series engine swap info for the 78-88 G-Body [Re: 79loserbluebu]  
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Originally Posted by 79loserbluebu
All accusations aside, you posted twice in this thread cautioning about the LS swap. Why are you in this thread if you are neither interested in the swap, or have any useful information other than advising not to do the swap.

To be completely honest, an 87' Regal with a Gen I SBC will probably be much more potent to the environment than a G-body with a Gen III engine, with the emissions components removed. Heck, the AIR system is just a way to sneak by strict emission standards.

But hey what do I know I'm just doing the swap on my 79' Malibu and successfully disabled my AIR system in my DD, while passing OBDII emission tests year after year.

Oh and my swap is with a set of race-style Pacesetter Longtube headers, Pypes 2.5" dual exhaust w/ x-pipe, LS6 intake w/o EGR provisions, and a TR224 cam w/ 224 duration, .568 lift on a 112 LSA. Lock me up! grin

Here, I'll ship you my original EVAP cannister so you can take it to the EPA and tell on me. laugh

Needless to say, I'm not here to fight, I'm here to help other people complete the swap or at least get to the point where I am in the swap.

Pictures of my LQ4 swap using my mock-up cracked LS1 block with a set of equally trashed
heads.

Kwik Performance bracket kit
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4th Gen F-body Pacesetter Longtube clearance w/ BRP mounts
D/S
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P/S, in all fairness, my Hooker 2451 headers needed the exact same clearance for my Gen1
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F-body coils clearance with an A/C box
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Lots of room with the LS engines.
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All the work pays off looking at this picture!
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Let me know if anyone has any questions. The swap is not hard, just confusing until you start into it. Then you spend money extremely quickly haha.


Can I see these pics again 79? I'm doing the ls1 with 4th gen f body headers too. Can't see anything with photobucket blurring all of these pics. Thx

#1052860 - 08/10/17 04:50 PM Re: LS series engine swap info for the 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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These cheap ebay long tubes fit with the slightest of massaging.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/332293667554


86 SS 6.0L LQ4, TBSS GEN IV intake, 92mm TB, 30lb injectors, Summit Stage 3 NA Cam, Stainless long tube headers, Stainless 3in exhaust, Microsquirt ECU, FABbot AR5 5-speed, Torsen LSD, QA1 Lvl 3 Suspension Kit, UMI Front & Rear Braces. Check out my build blog on Summit Racing's OnAll Cylinders https://www.onallcylinders.com/author/travis-jones/
#1052863 - 08/10/17 08:14 PM Re: LS series engine swap info for the 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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I mean this in all seriousness, are those basically what you can expect for $200 ebay headers? They didn't swap the flanges out for play doh or anything, right, just basic cheap construction? I'm wondering about those vs the Pacesetters I planned on getting at some point, mainly because I don't want to deal with the paint burning and flaking off on the Pacesetters and I don't want to pay for ceramic or stainless from anyone else.


Sometimes you just need a bigger hammer...

'85 MC with budget 5.3L swap, TH350 with stock 2.14 rear end
It ain't much off the line, but it's nice on the highway
#1052864 - 08/10/17 08:31 PM Re: LS series engine swap info for the 78-88 G-Body [Re: Hunter79764]  
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Originally Posted by Hunter79764
I mean this in all seriousness, are those basically what you can expect for $200 ebay headers? They didn't swap the flanges out for play doh or anything, right, just basic cheap construction? I'm wondering about those vs the Pacesetters I planned on getting at some point, mainly because I don't want to deal with the paint burning and flaking off on the Pacesetters and I don't want to pay for ceramic or stainless from anyone else.


These are honestly some of the best headers I have ever used. Stainless steel too. I'll let you know after a while how they hold up. I cant believe that they were only $209.


86 SS 6.0L LQ4, TBSS GEN IV intake, 92mm TB, 30lb injectors, Summit Stage 3 NA Cam, Stainless long tube headers, Stainless 3in exhaust, Microsquirt ECU, FABbot AR5 5-speed, Torsen LSD, QA1 Lvl 3 Suspension Kit, UMI Front & Rear Braces. Check out my build blog on Summit Racing's OnAll Cylinders https://www.onallcylinders.com/author/travis-jones/
#1054129 - 10/29/17 06:59 PM Re: LS series engine swap info for the 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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I am looking to change my waterpump to a camaro one so I can fit a LS6 intake. I am looking for a radiator that has the inlet and outlet on the passenger side along with transcooler on passenger side too. What are my options. Thank you.

#1054131 - 10/29/17 08:23 PM Re: LS series engine swap info for the 78-88 G-Body [Re: BRPhotrods]  
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I am using a new stock Monte radiator with '97 Camaro LT1 fans. A member here (gmachinz) made the fan harness and relays. I'm not sure which engine you have but mine is an LS2. The upper hose was from an '04 Silverado...the bottom hose had to be modified. Even with 105 degree weather, the temperature never got above 195.


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#1054149 - 10/30/17 06:08 PM Re: LS series engine swap info for the 78-88 G-Body [Re: pukas]  
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Originally Posted by pukas
I am looking to change my waterpump to a camaro one so I can fit a LS6 intake. I am looking for a radiator that has the inlet and outlet on the passenger side along with transcooler on passenger side too. What are my options. Thank you.


Why? The LS6 intake is only marginally better than the Gen III truck manifold and the Gen IV truck manifold is better than the LS6 by far.


86 SS 6.0L LQ4, TBSS GEN IV intake, 92mm TB, 30lb injectors, Summit Stage 3 NA Cam, Stainless long tube headers, Stainless 3in exhaust, Microsquirt ECU, FABbot AR5 5-speed, Torsen LSD, QA1 Lvl 3 Suspension Kit, UMI Front & Rear Braces. Check out my build blog on Summit Racing's OnAll Cylinders https://www.onallcylinders.com/author/travis-jones/
#1054150 - 10/30/17 06:23 PM Re: LS series engine swap info for the 78-88 G-Body [Re: Travis Jones]  
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Originally Posted by thepezking639
Originally Posted by pukas
I am looking to change my waterpump to a camaro one so I can fit a LS6 intake. I am looking for a radiator that has the inlet and outlet on the passenger side along with transcooler on passenger side too. What are my options. Thank you.


Why? The LS6 intake is only marginally better than the Gen III truck manifold and the Gen IV truck manifold is better than the LS6 by far.


True, but I kind of don't like the way the truck manifold looks, kind of bulky.

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