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#746977 - 12/08/09 08:15 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: 83montecarlo632bbc]  
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FWIW - I've found that the fiero mirrors are near identical(housing wise) and have been collecting them. There seems to be way more fiero's out there w/power mirrors than the camaro's.


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#817275 - 08/15/10 02:20 AM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: muscle_cars_only]  
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Wow I finally found my stuff for the swap and I got it all from a yard for free today. I have the camaro mirror switch as well as an extra one from a caprice if anyone needs one.




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#818715 - 08/22/10 05:32 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: sslover85]  
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found my caprice power switch and camaro brackets, motors, and mirrors today all in one place woohoo smile



#824813 - 09/19/10 04:16 AM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: rmodys]  
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looking at this post makes me think i shoulda took the whole wiring harness to the passenger side frown



#876972 - 06/01/11 08:22 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: Bonez305]  
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I just did this conversion last weekend. I used a mirror switch from a 2002 Grand Am and mating connector. I mounted it in the bezel for the original right side mirror control. Mounted perfectly with about 1/16" trimming of the dash plate.











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#896406 - 09/23/11 01:45 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: Doc]  
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So I actually have the complete camaro mirrors still intact and it looks like they will fit on the doors using the monte mirror gaskets without taking anything apart just mount and wire. Will this work??? Stuff needs painting anyway.




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#904516 - 11/19/11 02:30 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: sslover85]  
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how can i do this swap for my 83? the mirrors are the rounded style, unlike the later years


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#904683 - 11/20/11 04:02 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: pearl83SS]  
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I did an Electric Mirror swap on my '85. started out trying to figure out how to get the motors into the Bullet heads. I found that '85 corvettes had similar power mirrors, but they are very hard to find and expensive. After playing around with brackets, etc to hold the motors, I finally decided it was not going to be feasible.

I switched gears and looked for something GM that I could use. I settled on late '90's Buick LeSabre mirrors. They are a little larger than the bullet mirrors, and worked out well. You can buy new "Replacements" on Ebay for $27. You can see my complete write-up on doing this mod here: https://sites.google.com/site/darbyselky/home/electgric-side-mirrors



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#907707 - 12/10/11 06:51 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: 87ChooChoo]  
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I would love to do this to my car but little afraid of the wiring aspect of it.but I think I am willing to give it a go.


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#907920 - 12/12/11 11:12 AM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: MonteMan29]  
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The wiring is easy, just find power and ground. The hard part is figuring out where to put the switch, OR which switch to use.



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#908114 - 12/13/11 04:05 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: kubihibi]  
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For wiring, if you have the driver's side remote controlled mirror, most of the switches will mount directly into the bezel on your door ( at least all the ones I pulled did- caprice, le sabre). You can pick up power from the Door Locks, and ground directly to the door. Run three wires from the drivers door to the passenger's door.


85 El Camino Choo Choo with L31 350 Crate, TPI, Serp, TES Headers, GN 200-4r, 3.73 8.5 GN Posi, Acura Buckets, '04 GP Console, Electric Mirrors, Electronic HVAC, ZQ8 wheels, Blazer front brakes, LS1 rear brakes, and more....
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#1037009 - 03/29/16 04:33 AM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: kubihibi]  
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Bringing back an old thread. I just started this swap and didn't really know until now, to install them does the mirror glass need to be removed/broken? It's the only way I see it going back together in the mirror housing.


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#1037016 - 03/29/16 02:29 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: kubihibi]  
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I didn't have to remove or break the glass. You can rotate the mirror out of the way to get to the 3 screws that keep the assembly in place.



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#1037017 - 03/29/16 02:30 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: kubihibi]  
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2 screws, sorry (reread original post). I'll see if I can get a photo or 3 this evening.



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#1037018 - 03/29/16 02:46 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: kubihibi]  
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Thanks. Maybe I overlooked it, I suppose in theory it should be similar to removing/installing the Monte glass/bracket from the housing, the three screws should be accessible with the mirror moved different ways. So I hope, even though the glass is kind of cheap at Autzone I rather not have to break good ones and replace smile .

I also should mention the donor for my mirror swap is a 92', I know there are 2 if not 3 different styles of motors and wiring harness'.

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-86'SS 383 CCC QJet- BRF 2004r-8.5" 3.42 -313/344@RW - 13.35 @103
-87'LS 350 MAF/SD TPI- CRF 2004r-7.5" 3.42 -248/340@RW - 14.55 @ 96
-81'Grand LeMans Safari Wagon 3.8 2bbl/200C/2.73
-07'TBSS Stockish daily driver
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#1037072 - 03/30/16 01:58 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: kubihibi]  
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I was able to get the mirrors mounted in the housing last night, I think I understand now, one can only access or screw in 2 of the 3 screws this way to hold the bracket/assembly to the housing, with the mirror in place. It looks like it's designed to screw in with glass off, as there are holes in the mirror frame that line up with the motor to bracket screws. That combined with seeing some break glass had me thinking this was the only way.

I wonder if the mirror was off and maybe the mirror trunnion's(aluminum crosses that snap in) were lightly greased or oiled if they could snap in while mounted to the mirror with it all mounted in in the housing, as a way to get everything screwed in and snapped in place.

I also have a car specific issue, my drivers side mirror housing is kind of oblong height wise, was this way since I bought the car in 02', the mounting points for the bracket are slightly off making it harder to mount the bracket, the stock remote cable bracket was broken too. Had to squeeze it in a vice on a bench, carefully, to get it close enough to screw in. Whenever the car finally gets painted I might look for a not oblong mirror housing laugh .


-86'SS 383 CCC QJet- BRF 2004r-8.5" 3.42 -313/344@RW - 13.35 @103
-87'LS 350 MAF/SD TPI- CRF 2004r-7.5" 3.42 -248/340@RW - 14.55 @ 96
-81'Grand LeMans Safari Wagon 3.8 2bbl/200C/2.73
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#1037211 - 04/02/16 01:35 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: kubihibi]  
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New mirror replacement glass is readily available, kinda nice to have a fresh one, just a PITA to remove the mirror glass from the swivel.
When a kid destroyed my left sideview mirror a few years ago I bought a used mirror from Mike to use the guts and cable out of it, a new glass, repaired the original housing, a slash of Dupli-color, ended up pretty nice.

Does the control for the remote mirrors get mounted in the dash or console?
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#1037237 - 04/03/16 12:54 AM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: kubihibi]  
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I'm copying Clutch_Grabwell and rmodys mirror switch placement, using a mid 90's Caprice switch mounted in the stock remote mirror bezel. My 87' didn't come with passenger remote mirror so the gauge bezel won't have a hole or spot to fill.

Using the wiring diagram provided by bumpn1ohm too.

A few things to note from things I've encountered or noticed. I've used 3rd gen f-bodies for parts numerous times over the years but never noticed how many have power mirrors. They were more common than I realized, at least when I looked for my own.

When putting the Caprice switch in the stock bezel I didn't see any need to file or alter the bezel, it slid in and using the set screw is held in tight and seated nicely.

I have the wiring run through both doors now, just need to finish the connections/soldering at the drivers side door.


-86'SS 383 CCC QJet- BRF 2004r-8.5" 3.42 -313/344@RW - 13.35 @103
-87'LS 350 MAF/SD TPI- CRF 2004r-7.5" 3.42 -248/340@RW - 14.55 @ 96
-81'Grand LeMans Safari Wagon 3.8 2bbl/200C/2.73
-07'TBSS Stockish daily driver
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#1038733 - 05/06/16 12:27 AM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: kubihibi]  
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I'm finally about done with this swap, dragging my feet with it, and have stumbled at the end with the wiring. I've even swapped switches and one motor/wiring setup with spares. Using the diagram and matching them up I can't get both sides to go in the right direction, the wires need to be mixed up and/or the switch has to be turned 90 degrees. How have those with this swap positioned the switch in relation to each side regarding the top bump to indicate which side it controls?


-86'SS 383 CCC QJet- BRF 2004r-8.5" 3.42 -313/344@RW - 13.35 @103
-87'LS 350 MAF/SD TPI- CRF 2004r-7.5" 3.42 -248/340@RW - 14.55 @ 96
-81'Grand LeMans Safari Wagon 3.8 2bbl/200C/2.73
-07'TBSS Stockish daily driver
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#1039697 - 05/27/16 11:43 AM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: kubihibi]  
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Must be differences between all the switch types for power mirrors. I've been supplying replacement power mirror harnesses for the truck guys and I've used 3rd gen Camaro switches, G-series van switch les and 90-91 Suburban/K5 switches and they all wire just a tad different with various colors too. On the LH and RH 4-connectors to the mirrors, cavities A and D regardless of their respective colors get spliced together in the harness-if you notice, there are 3 wires to each mirror from the switch BUT-the connector to the mirror has 4 wires on the end. I have all the GM truck wiring schematics and the 3rd gen Fbody switches wired the same too. If you think about it it makes sense-4 wires each side with a power and ground from the switch makes a total of 10 leads but the switch is 8-pin. I have an A thru H diagram for the Fbody switches if anybody wants me to post it. The reason for two leads being spliced together is because when LH or RH is selected, two motors need to be powered and the movement up/down left/right is a ground trigger....that makes for only 3 leads actually.....if you pull back the wiring look, there's a splice on each side. The wiring seems goofy the way GM did it if you don't have the entire harness. Since I mix and match anyway, I just ordered all the possible connectors,TPA's and terminals for my own replacement harnesses.


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#1039717 - 05/27/16 08:15 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: kubihibi]  
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I just put it all back together the other weekend, the passenger side is up/down and left/right correctly on the switch, the drivers side is left/right correctly but the up/down are inverted, so pushing the switch up makes the mirror go down and vice versa. Close as I can get it and that's having the wiring not color coded as a couple of the previous posts indicate, even though I have the same switch and wiring as they used (I'm fairly certain). Figured I couldn't be the only one who did this swap using the same parts with this issue laugh . No plans to tear into it again unless I know for sure what could correct it without too much bother.


-86'SS 383 CCC QJet- BRF 2004r-8.5" 3.42 -313/344@RW - 13.35 @103
-87'LS 350 MAF/SD TPI- CRF 2004r-7.5" 3.42 -248/340@RW - 14.55 @ 96
-81'Grand LeMans Safari Wagon 3.8 2bbl/200C/2.73
-07'TBSS Stockish daily driver
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#1039718 - 05/27/16 09:12 PM Re: Power Mirrors [Re: kubihibi]  
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Ah....so it must just be 2 leads that need flipped. It's easy to figure out using a test light to probe but yeah that requires pulling some of it apart.


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