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#176633 - 09/06/05 01:15 AM Power windows slower than a snail  
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I'm having a problem with the power windows. Really the passenger side is worse than the driver's side. There's not that much of a problem on the way down, but going up is a hassle. I bought the car like this an am looking to fix it. Any suggestions on starting points?

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#176634 - 09/06/05 01:30 AM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Hector, cleaning and lubing the tracks and gear mechanism on the drive motor will help. How do your seals look on the outside edge of the door? if they are bad, water is getting down into the door and causing corrosion as well as dirt and stuff is clogging up the tracks.

If the cleaning and lube doesn't work, a replacement drive motor is probably gonna be the fix.


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#176635 - 09/06/05 03:18 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Yeah the seals aren't in that great of shape. They are on the list of things to buy. but as it stands I do keep it in the garage so that may help. Thanks for your help. I definitely need a starting point.

#176636 - 09/06/05 10:48 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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i had the very same problem. i could sit there and say the abc's before the passenger window went up, heck, if i tried to do it with the car off, it wouldn't even make it all the way up. so i tore the doors apart, and riped everything out of the doors, put the new motors in, (along with new lock actuators) put new window felts on, new door weatherstripping, and i first used the supplied screws with the motor, but for 1/4" holes it's just not such a good idea, so i went to my works body shop and got 1/4" window regulator rivets, and "the big daddy riveter" from the Mac tool guys, because i couldn't find one big enough anywhere else, and the rivets are the way to go.

but yeah, i say try lubing first, but you'll probually be alot happier with the new motors, i know i am.


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#176637 - 09/06/05 11:29 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Mine is the same way, to the "T". I did replace the motor with an autozone unit cause I heard they are faster but it made no difference. Yes I did use white lithium grease to lube everything up but it was no better when I was done.

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#176638 - 09/07/05 12:15 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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There is an article in the Chevelle Magazine that came out this month. they replaced the window motors on an El Camino. Same info and part numbers should apply.


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#176639 - 09/07/05 12:56 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Thanks for all the input.....Joey is that the name of the magazine (Chevelle Magazine) ane what month August, September, or October?

#176640 - 09/07/05 08:55 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Don't forget to check the switches. I have/had the same issue. This issue was the switch...put 12 to the wire, the sucker flew up.


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#176641 - 09/08/05 03:35 AM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Ah good call nycitis...totally forgot about that. Maybe even the wiring may be the problem eh?

#176642 - 09/09/05 08:11 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Really, you should invest in a relay for the windows. If you route the main power wire to act as a switch for the relay, not only have you drastically reduced voltage drop by bypassing the OE wiring, but now you can mount a relay which will provide up to 30-amps of juice-combine that with freshly greased tracks and you'll see that window fly up into the window channel! -Jabin


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#176643 - 09/10/05 03:49 AM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Do you mean use the up/down switch to energize the relay and use 12v on one of the relay contacts straight to the window? It would have to be fused of course....Is that what you mean?

#176644 - 09/10/05 02:36 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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The relay deal will work. We did that to my 87 4x4 truck and now they go up and down as fast as my 99 SS windows do.


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#176645 - 09/10/05 06:06 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Ok so where can I get one of these magical relays? Local parts store?

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does anyone have a diagram for this??? My window is slow too!!!




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#176647 - 09/11/05 02:50 AM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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i need a diagram too if ne1 has one...my windows are slow, but not snail slow


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#176648 - 09/11/05 03:27 AM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Ya, I would also appreciate a diagram, I've replaced the motors, greesed up the traks and replaced the swithches and there still sslow. TIA


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#176649 - 09/11/05 10:53 AM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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If you still want to see the article, it is the Chevelle magazine put out by Super Chevy. They did the swap on an El Camino. Its a yearly publication, so it doesn't have a specific month. There is a picture of the cover in my photo album.


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#176650 - 09/11/05 05:31 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Hey guys...There is a simple one line diagram in the technical portion of this website....under the topic of...you guessed it... electrical. I think it's called Power window diagram.

#176651 - 09/11/05 05:33 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Thanks Joe

#176652 - 09/11/05 07:16 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Thanks!! My passenger window has done this in every Monte I've owned and it does it in my Caprice with low miles.




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Ok I have the Chevelle Issue and a wiring diagram but where does the relay go??????




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#176654 - 09/11/05 10:11 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Where did you get the Chevelle issue at?

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#176656 - 09/11/05 11:54 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Mount the relay as close as possible to your +12V source-ideally the alternator charge post, or run it from a junction that runs to the charge post. On relay, get a standard 5-pin bosch style and #30 goes to +12V, #87 goes the the window motor itself, #85 is ground and #86 goes to the switch for the window. I would go 10 gauge size wire and you only need maybe a 20-amp fuse on the wire between #87 on the relay and the window lift motor. You can do the same thing for headlights, wiper motor, etc. -Jabin


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#176657 - 09/12/05 11:53 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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anyone ever put a voltage meter to the factory relay? and see if there a voltage drop?


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#176658 - 09/13/05 03:15 AM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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I'll take that as a NO! \:\)


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#176659 - 09/17/05 04:22 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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Well, for one there is no factory relay-it's an on/off switch which is always hot and when you hit your button, it ground the coil which makes your window go up/down. To keep from burning up the switch, GM incorporates a certain amount of resistance into the circuit (how much I don't know...) to avoid melting the switch-much like the ballist resistor built into your factory headlight switch. To circumvent this, wire a relay so the window switch now carries virtually no current-it now acts a an on/off switch to activate the relay-the relay now handles the load instead of the switch-obviously a faster window means less resistance i.e. voltage drop but I'm sure somebody can post readings with and without a relay for those who are curious. -Jabin


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#176660 - 09/23/05 01:49 AM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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interesting.

#176661 - 09/26/05 12:19 AM Re: Power windows slower than a snail  
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yea thats interesting...so adding the erlay will be like giving the window switches direct power...I've noticed hot wiring the motors they jump up then go back to snail paced when using the switches


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#445498 - 06/02/07 10:58 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail [Re: Atl_Monte]  
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sorry to bump a really old post but it had some good info i did not know and i think others will appreciate it. would anyone by chance have a drawn out diagram of the wiring needed to do this? a detailed description or diagram would be very nice.

#446635 - 06/06/07 08:06 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail [Re: Black Rocket]  
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i would like some info on this aswell sounds like a good idea

#447055 - 06/07/07 10:30 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail [Re: mcss85]  
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Yea I would like to see a wiring diagram of this my windows are very slow goning up but ok goning down.


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#447058 - 06/07/07 10:48 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail [Re: sawmillman]  
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My windows did the same thing. I went and replaced the driver side regulator and the window switch. The window would barely go up and finally it stopped going up. I went and replaced the regulator and the switch and bingo all perfect now. I just got in a new regulator for the passenger side to do tomorrow.

But, i to would love to see the diagramfor the relay idea. I think it makes better sence to do it that way. I do notice a big voltage drop when i use my window switch I see the gauge drop and then come back up after i let go. So, someone please draw up or post the picture. Looking forward to seeing it.


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#447805 - 06/10/07 10:10 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail [Re: 406monte]  
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anybody got the wiring diagram for this?


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#448492 - 06/12/07 09:23 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail [Re: sawmillman]  
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well i dont think anyone has a wiring diagram already made up but maybe some of you that are good at wiring could make one up for the rest of us.

i just did the CS alternator conversion and all went very smooth. its worth the money no doubt. with the stock alt i was only getting 12.6 volts and 600-700RPM with the lights and electric fans running. now no matter what i do the volts on the battery and the alt stay at a constant 14.45 volts at the same 600-700RPM idle. VERY NICE. anyone has any questions feel free to ask away

#448541 - 06/12/07 11:32 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail [Re: gmachinz]  
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I had the same problem. I installed a new motor and it works fast now.


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#448723 - 06/13/07 01:26 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail [Re: upflying]  
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I could swear someone on this board did the window relay thing and uploaded diagrams last year but I can't find the post.....


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#448798 - 06/13/07 05:24 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail [Re: m0ntecarloss]  
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The 4th post down explains it pretty well. If only I could find relays locally.. you wouldnt believe how much trouble I went through trying to find them for my fans.

I think I' going to do this after I lube up my tracks. I'll make up a diagram if I do.

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Can someone get me a relay wiring diagram and a part number

Thanks

#1073566 - 04/04/22 11:39 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail [Re: boom boom]  
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I replaced my motor with Camaro I think much faster motors suck do some research there is a bolt in from a different gm much better

#1073573 - 04/05/22 07:20 PM Re: Power windows slower than a snail [Re: boom boom]  
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This may help. This diagram is for a Cutlass, but I believe Monte and most G-bodies share similar setups. 4 Single Pole Double Throw relays needed. No guarantees this will match up pin to pin and wire to wire with the Monte setup, but I know it will work for a Cutlass 2 door.

Link to a 5 pack of relays, around 25 bucks.

Amazon- Bosch Style 5 pin relays and connectors

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