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#1073558 - 04/04/22 02:32 PM Newer Stereo Options  
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Hi Everyone,

I've been looking to upgrade my car stereo for a while now, since high school I've had an old Sony CDX-GT210W and that was fine when phones had a 3.5mm jack but I want to upgrade to something with bluetooth/USB/Carplay.

I tried a Boss Audio BE7ACP which would have worked perfectly, floating 7 inch touch screen and would have fit nicely in the 1.5 din space we are burdened with. However, despite being rated for 85 watts x 4 channels and driving 4-8 ohm speakers it wont drive the speakers at all, no sound whatsoever. (Its a cheap chinese unit, but I expected it to at least work) I think its an internal issue with the amp or a manufacturing defect because my old Sony CD player is rated at 52w x4 at 4 ohms with a speaker impedance of 4-8 ohms and works perfectly or at least good enough to hear a little bit of Whitesnake over the dual 3 inch exhaust

I'm looking for a good radio known to work with factory speakers with a usb/bluetooth input, or perhaps even car play.

I've seen the retrosound head units, but they look like overpriced cheap Chinese units and I don't want to run into the same problem.

Anyone have any recommendations?


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#1073562 - 04/04/22 07:14 PM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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I have typically been a Pioneer guy, had an older on with factory speakers in the Monte for a few years, blew out the paper cones, replaced with new ones up front but did 6x9's in boxes for the rear since I had them and I didn't want to buy the oddball size for the rear package tray (and couldn't find adapters for 6x9's that are so common now). I swapped it out with a newer Pioneer (still a decade ago), and since then have had another 3-4 pioneers in other cars with factory speakers or basic upgraded ones, some with amps on additional channels but most just running 4 channel form the head unit, and had good luck with them along the way. Right now I've got a couple of Double DIN units with bluetooth (not the touchscreen style, just large format similar to this https://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-FH-X830BHS-Double-Receiver-Bluetooth/dp/B01G2QK618/ref=sr_1_15?crid=1EZFWXDIZ08TJ&keywords=pioneer+double+din+car+stereo+cd&qid=1649099167&sprefix=pioneer+double+din+car+stereo+cd%2Caps%2C349&sr=8-15), one in my daily and one spare that will likely go into my RV soon.
If you are wanting double DIN (that's what 86 had, right?), I'd think you would be good with something similar (edit, just re-read and remembered its 1.5DIN frown ). If single DIN is fine, I still like Pioneers. Granted, I've only had 2-3 other head units of different brands, but I was always more frustrated with those than with Pioneer. Almost all of their models have USB, headphone jack, and bluetooth these days, and the bluetooth is easy to set up, doesn't give issues, and is only annoying when you have multiple phones linked and it picks the wrong one. For whatever reason, if my wife and I both get in the car, it seems like it always defaults to her phone playing old Backstreet Boys or Dixie Chicks or some crap, but I think it's like the toast landing butter down, I never notice when it goes to mine and plays some Zepplin...


The other thought... How much do you listen to the radio? If you primarily want bluetooth from your phone, there are 4+ channel amps that have bluetooth built in, and some are actually very small. Install one behind the dash, use factory speaker wires, possibly a new power and ground lead depending on power level, and just leave/ignore the head unit. Not a solution for everyone, but an option. My 87 Suburban was a factory radio delete truck, so that's my plan for it when I get around to installing some speakers.

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#1073576 - 04/06/22 02:46 PM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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Tried Another Stereo - Atoto S8 highly reviewed, again no audio whatsoever. My guess is the GM 10ohm speakers just cant be driven by new 4-8 ohm head units.

So I ordered new 3.5 and 6x9 pioneers with all the adapters and whatnot.

I'll keep updating this.


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#1073579 - 04/06/22 04:44 PM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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I must have messed up the radio harness years ago or something. I pulled a rear speaker and had audio from it when I bench tested the radio.

After seeing the condition of the speaker I decided to order new 6x9's and 3.5's along with the right adapters and harnesses.


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#1073582 - 04/06/22 09:45 PM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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Does that mean the typical "swapping head unit has grown to an audio system rewire" kinda thing has happened? Or just going to ohm out the leads and see if there's a botched connection somewhere?


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#1073583 - 04/07/22 02:06 AM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Hunter79764]  
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Originally Posted by Hunter79764
Does that mean the typical "swapping head unit has grown to an audio system rewire" kinda thing has happened? Or just going to ohm out the leads and see if there's a botched connection somewhere?


That's exactly what happened. scope creep is all I do lol


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#1073585 - 04/07/22 01:27 PM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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There was an old Jeff Foxworthy comedy bit about Redneck definitions to words that comes to mind. Scope Creep is very "Sensuous".
Sensuous - An appeal to continue in a given direction based on previous work, i.e., "Sensuous already in the kitchen, grab me a beer, would you?"

I'm always aware of how scope creep works. It's why I'm currently in a failure to launch state on the Monte, because I know that a "new set of tires" ACTUALLY means tires, wheels, rear end, and transmission. At least I'm willing to stop there and can mentally justify the break between that and an engine refresh to include a turbo, and both of those projects are independent of a paint job that is also needed. So I'll keep poking around until my wife if further convinced that the Monte needs a stickshift, and then I'll go for it smile


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It ain't much off the line, but it's nice on the highway
#1073586 - 04/07/22 05:12 PM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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If you remember I had and issue with not enough volts at idle to maintain my speedhut a/f gauge and ended up with a tkx manual transmission. Scope Creep is a real thing but atleast my a/f gauge works now.

#1073588 - 04/07/22 08:36 PM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: 88ssBrent]  
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Originally Posted by 88ssBrent
If you remember I had and issue with not enough volts at idle to maintain my speedhut a/f gauge and ended up with a tkx manual transmission. Scope Creep is a real thing but at least my a/f gauge works now.


So that's the trick, I need to get an A/F gauge so that I can do the stick conversion? BTW, both of you guys are at least partially responsible for my dreaming about the manual swap... If/When I get to that point, I'll probably be hassling you for feedback before I pull the trigger, but I'm sure I'm years out right now. Kids are expensive, it turns out...


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#1073591 - 04/07/22 09:55 PM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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Well the speakers got here, removed the driver front speaker... I had no idea that the speakers bolted to pop metal speaker grills?!? The new Kenwood 3.5's are taller than the stockers, but just barely fit without rolling the dash, unfortunately a main harness is in the way, so I have move/modify that.


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#1073593 - 04/08/22 01:02 AM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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http://www.mikehaganantiqueautoradio.com/ click on the link and check this vendor out. I talked at length to him at Carlisle Swap Meet and he has a lot to offer, Good luck!!


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#1073609 - 04/10/22 06:47 AM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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Just one point: amplifiers listed as compatible with 4-8 Ohms can certainly drive higher resistances. They only choke when they run out of current or voltage or they drive too reactive a phase angle.

#1073656 - 04/16/22 01:19 PM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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I am surprised no one has invented a BT driven car speaker, eliminating the need for wiring.


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#1073675 - 04/17/22 09:23 PM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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Hi Upflying - Simple economics. Incorporating BT would require an integral BT receiver and power amplifier, which would add cost and increase product volume that would have to be integrated with the speaker, even with class D. And even this would still require separate wiring to the car's power. The only truly wireless solution for the speaker assembly would have to use Faraday inductive charging via an onboard solenoid in conjunction with a battery as a power buffer. And there's a gotcha here as well: you need to wire the charger. All of this is possible, but $$. Conventional loudspeaker wiring is way simpler and cheaper.

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#1073676 - 04/18/22 01:09 AM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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Got the new stereo in with all the new speakers, sounds great and very happy with it.


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#1073685 - 04/19/22 01:12 AM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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Scope creep... Do you all remember my electric fan install? laugh

Once I get my exhaust fixed, I may look into new speakers as well. Congrats on the new tunes Travis...


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#1073689 - 04/19/22 03:39 AM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: SSLance]  
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Originally Posted by SSLance
Scope creep... Do you all remember my electric fan install? laugh

Once I get my exhaust fixed, I may look into new speakers as well. Congrats on the new tunes Travis...


Lance, idk if the Holley software has Android app support, but the Headunit I used is a full Android system. Once i get my boat ECU speaking the right CAN language, I'll be able to use Torque Pro, an android app to log my runs.

It it obviouly modern, but doesnt clash too badly with the 80's interior
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#1073728 - 04/26/22 02:46 AM Re: Newer Stereo Options [Re: Travis Jones]  
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FYI it was particularly cool blasting Whitesnake and other 80's hair metal in the staging lane at the last autocross.


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