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#1069192 - 01/13/21 01:18 AM 85 SS acceleration  
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Hello all. Having problems with following.
After warming up car, put in drive and takes off ok, but shortly thereafter starts to stall. I keep gas pressed and then after about a second or two car takes off again with no hesitation until i come up to a stop then same process.

Here are things i have noticed as i tried different solutions:
Fuel and air mixture screws-I notice no difference after turning them either direction. Only difference is if they are both out completely then car will not stay on. Even when plugging a vacuum gage.
Gage goes up to 20 and fluctuates lightly up and down to 19 and 21. It does this before turning screws even. When turning screw/s in or out it stays the same.

When i revv it up in park it goes to 20k rpm somewhat smoothly, but after that stalls as it goes into higher rpms. I see no smoke from tail pipes.

So in idle, rpms fluctuates between 9k and 10k rpms. Sometimes goes down to 8k and bounces around between 8 and 9.

I tried advancing and retarding time but just can't get it right. Carburetor is quadra jet Rochester. Its on a Chevy small block 305. Any ideas, suggestions, comments greatly appreciated.

#1069217 - 01/14/21 03:19 AM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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Do you have an analog dwell meter for checking the fuel M/C solenoid dwell?


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#1069220 - 01/14/21 05:42 AM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: Buick Runner]  
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Hello. No i dont have one analog dwell meter.

#1069228 - 01/14/21 04:00 PM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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Then you need to get one, otherwise you are just adjusting things blind.


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2008 ex NPS P71 Crown Victoria, cop motor, cop shocks, cop brakes, and Jmod.

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#1069240 - 01/15/21 02:06 AM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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When was the last time you changed the fuel filter where the gas line enters the carburator??


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#1069249 - 01/15/21 04:34 PM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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Also when you adjusted the timing, did you disable the computer advance? The idle mixture screws ard supposed to be set at 3 and 3/8 turns out. Idle mixture and curb idle speed is adjusted with the car in drive. You need at least an analog dwell meter to see how the computer is responding to adjuetments.

Sounds like the OP has an off idle stumble which can be caused by several things. Bad accel pump, incorrect float level, incorrect fuel pressure, vacuum leaks, incorrect throttle valve angle, incorrect timing, etc.


SBC powered 1987 Regal with TES headers, ZZ4 intake, ZZ4 PROM chip, mini starter, THM2004R, 2500 stall converter, 2040 cam, CCC system, and 3.73 posi rear.

2008 ex NPS P71 Crown Victoria, cop motor, cop shocks, cop brakes, and Jmod.

Never argue with an idiot.
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#1069272 - 01/17/21 05:47 PM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: Buick Runner]  
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Thanks for all replies. I will work on getting meter. I have not changed fuel dilter recently but don't use car much. Maybe 2 to 3 thousand miles a year if that. As far as computer disabling for timing, computer is obsolete as previous owner somehow disabled to bypass a code that prevented car from psssing smog or something. I will look into suggested issues and post back.

#1069279 - 01/18/21 01:10 AM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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Change the filter first. Its at the inlet of the carb very easy. I had the exact symptoms as you and that was it. It wasn't dirty at all from what I could tell but it fixes the issue.

#1069280 - 01/18/21 04:20 AM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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Originally Posted by fhorta
Thanks for all replies. I will work on getting meter. I have not changed fuel dilter recently but don't use car much. Maybe 2 to 3 thousand miles a year if that. As far as computer disabling for timing, computer is obsolete as previous owner somehow disabled to bypass a code that prevented car from psssing smog or something. I will look into suggested issues and post back.


This may be your issue here. Removing the computer is expensive, complex, zero performance improvement, MPG decrease, and loss of road legality. Often when a previous owner tampers with the computer of emission system they make the car run worse, then sell the basketcase to an unsuspecting buyer. Since we do not know what the PO did to your car, we won't be able to help you that much online. Somebody needs to look the car over in person to figure what was done and how to correct it.

To delete the computer, both the carb and dist need to be changed out for non computer controlled versions. Also an aftermarket lockup kit is required as the computer controls that. The factory computer system is all or nothing, if any part is missing the fomputer will default to limp mode. Since you live in CA which has the strictest emission laws and testing in the country, you will need to revert the car back to full computer control. Perhaps the PO still has some of the original parts?

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SBC powered 1987 Regal with TES headers, ZZ4 intake, ZZ4 PROM chip, mini starter, THM2004R, 2500 stall converter, 2040 cam, CCC system, and 3.73 posi rear.

2008 ex NPS P71 Crown Victoria, cop motor, cop shocks, cop brakes, and Jmod.

Never argue with an idiot.
They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
#1069333 - 01/22/21 02:20 PM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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I agree with Buick Runner, OP has a car that wont pass a California smog check. Until the car is returned to stock with an operating computer controlling the carb and distributor, it will remain parked in a garage.
Sorry for the bad news fhorta, California is at war with old cars that don't run right and won't pass smog. California tried to take my car away with a $1000 offer to junk it..one of the reasons why I left and moved to Nevada.

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#1069499 - 02/07/21 04:46 PM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: upflying]  
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Thanks guys, and know this late reply. So speaking to PO, computer still functional. What he did was take out a fuse to keep engine light from coming on because light was coming on even if nothing wrong with car....or something to that effect. Now that I recall, computer must be fine since the car has passed smog twice since i had it. It is now exempt from smog since not required in county i reside. I posted this in a different thread, but i just want to put another carb in there, an edelbrock . I would want something that will work with current 305 small block, but that will also perform well on a 350, which will be whats put in later on. Ideas, suggestions what carb i should go with and adjustments might be needed?

#1069500 - 02/07/21 04:48 PM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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Thanks guys, and know this late reply. So speaking to PO, computer still functional. What he did was take out a fuse to keep engine light from coming on because light was coming on even if nothing wrong with car....or something to that effect. Now that I recall, computer must be fine since the car has passed smog twice since i had it. It is now exempt from smog since not required in county i reside. I posted this in a different thread, but i just want to put another carb in there, an edelbrock . I would want something that will work with current 305 small block, but that will also perform well on a 350, which will be whats put in later on. Ideas, suggestions what carb i should go with and adjustments might be needed?

#1069572 - 02/15/21 04:25 PM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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Getting around to getting that dwell. Will keep Qjet after all. When i search for analog dwell meter, i get lots o results. What exactly am i looking for. Any specific recommendations? Thanks

#1069575 - 02/16/21 02:04 AM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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FYI, the check engine lite must function for the CCC system to work! It will do no good to adjust the dwell as the engine will stay in open loop without the CCC system working. Put the fuse back in and find out what the code is and take care of that code and report back!!


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#1069578 - 02/16/21 05:44 AM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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The fuse for the CEL is also the fuse for the gauges. Not likely the fuse is pulled or the gauges would not function.

Check that the CEL driver is plugged in. It's the green plastic module under the dash, has 4 wires plugged into it on the small end.
Bob

#1069580 - 02/16/21 09:48 PM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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Nobody makes new analog dwell meters anymore, you can only get them either used or NOS. They industry is becoming more hostile with older car tech.


SBC powered 1987 Regal with TES headers, ZZ4 intake, ZZ4 PROM chip, mini starter, THM2004R, 2500 stall converter, 2040 cam, CCC system, and 3.73 posi rear.

2008 ex NPS P71 Crown Victoria, cop motor, cop shocks, cop brakes, and Jmod.

Never argue with an idiot.
They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
#1069583 - 02/17/21 02:09 AM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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This is the one I use. [Linked Image]

#1069591 - 02/18/21 02:03 AM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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I have a fox valley that I bought back in the 1970's. I did use it a couple of years ago to adjust the carb on a local SS owners carb after I fixed the connections at the MC solenoid and TPS.


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#1069597 - 02/19/21 01:01 PM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: fhorta]  
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Good deal for these to set the ccc up. Looks like one piece is homemade but as long as it measures correct it wil work just fine in fact probably better than the original gauge.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265058669073

#1069601 - 02/19/21 04:07 PM Re: 85 SS acceleration [Re: 88ssBrent]  
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Originally Posted by 88ssBrent
Good deal for these to set the ccc up. Looks like one piece is homemade but as long as it measures correct it wil work just fine in fact probably better than the original gauge.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/265058669073


Some of my repair manuals show a cylindrical lean stop gauge like that one instead of the stamped sheetmetal gauge. Also the plastic solenoid travel gauge doubles as a float chamber fuel level gauge.


SBC powered 1987 Regal with TES headers, ZZ4 intake, ZZ4 PROM chip, mini starter, THM2004R, 2500 stall converter, 2040 cam, CCC system, and 3.73 posi rear.

2008 ex NPS P71 Crown Victoria, cop motor, cop shocks, cop brakes, and Jmod.

Never argue with an idiot.
They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

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