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#1065416 - 03/14/20 02:26 PM Hey gusy  
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Need help.

What’s the process in moving away from CC system? The carb, distributor and can are CC stock, I’m putting in a 383ci with NON-CC carb, cam, distributor. What do I need to do to get it to run proper?


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#1065420 - 03/14/20 04:55 PM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Cheford]  
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It depends on if you have the large in-cap or small cap remote coil or not, along with what kind of new distributor you have. If your SS came with the computerized large in-cap coil distributor and your new distributor is a large cap non-computer HEI, it's as simple as plugging in the same hot and tach wire into the new dizzy and moving the computer's wiring harness out of the way.

#1065423 - 03/14/20 05:37 PM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Cheford]  
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Originally Posted by Cheford
Need help.

What’s the process in moving away from CC system? The carb, distributor and can are CC stock, I’m putting in a 383ci with NON-CC carb, cam, distributor. What do I need to do to get it to run proper?

Well since your not using the CCC system.
Set the engine up anyway you want. If using a 200R4 trans, either run a manual valve body with non locking converter or get a kit so lock up happens in 4th with it and adapt something to the carb to work with the TV cable.
Good luck with your build.


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#1065424 - 03/14/20 05:50 PM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Cheford]  
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I apologize for being vague I was half asleep. So the distributor I bought was the MSD Streetfire HEI I believe.

Adapt what to the carb? I know I needed tv cable brackets and kickdown bracket, or are you referring to flicking a switch to activate my choke?


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#1065425 - 03/14/20 06:11 PM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Cheford]  
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No
First there is no kickdown cable, that cable at the carb is the TV cable.
If you have a TH350 then that cable is for kick down/passing gear.
You are a person that are starting to make mistakes from the get go.
The electric choke gets its 12 volt supply from the car itself from an oil pressure switch next to the distributor (dizzy I hate that word, we are not in Australia).
The adapter on the carb is a piece that would bolt to the primary throttle shaft to get the geometry correct to work with the TV cable.
Please read before you start to explore your ideas.
Don't spend good money and make mistakes like so many have done before.


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#1065427 - 03/14/20 06:17 PM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Richie Cat]  
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I was told by the tech guys at summit racing that I need the kickdown bracket and tv bracket for a 200R4 and the Holley carb. Those were ordered 1yr ago. O


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#1065429 - 03/14/20 08:01 PM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Cheford]  
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Good luck with your project.


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#1065438 - 03/15/20 01:07 AM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Cheford]  
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Originally Posted by Cheford
I was told by the tech guys at summit racing that I need the kickdown bracket and tv bracket for a 200R4 and the Holley carb. Those were ordered 1yr ago. O



the Summit guys are salespersons, listen to the folks on this website that have been there and done that and good luck with your car!!


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#1065461 - 03/15/20 05:28 PM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Cheford]  
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Ok so basically I just need to run power to my distributor or plug in the tach and power wires.

Install my Holley bracket for the tv cable

And hook everything else up the same?

It’s a project car going slow one section at a time, the engine is this summers project just to drive it. And exhaust

Winter will be suspension/chassis

Spring 21 will be interior

Winter 21 body and paint

Spring 22 will be better motor and trans and then it should be done for a few months


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#1065462 - 03/15/20 05:40 PM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Cheford]  
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So where are you going ?
Stay with the subject matter at hand.
What help is needed right now ?


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#1065463 - 03/15/20 05:59 PM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Cheford]  
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You’ve already helped. At this stage just need help with going form CCC components to non CCC


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#1065670 - 03/24/20 11:56 PM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Cheford]  
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The holley carb is a good way to go if you're going without the ccc crap.

With the HEI distributor you should just be able to plug the wires running thru your firewall that came off the old one. (At least that's how my car was when I still ran an HEI)

Since the car won't have that ccc distributor you should just be able to remove all off the ccc components, since they don't serve a purpose anymore. That's how it was done on my car.

As far as the kickdown/tv cable for (assuming you have the 200 r4 tranny) see if you can have a local reputable tranny shop set that up for you. That cable needs to be set right or it'll burn the transmission up quickly. I had my tranny built so the builder set that cable up for me upon install.

Also assuming your tranny and rear are stock that's going to be something you want to upgrade. If that's a healthy 383, those won't live too long behind it if you beat on the car, so I'd add those to the list. On a street tire you might get them to live a while tho. It's always a crap shoot with the stock rears and tranny

#1065671 - 03/25/20 01:39 AM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Cheford]  
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Thanks a lot Ethan.

Great info....sometime ago I bought a Holley 20-119 and 20-112...I’m not gonna be dragging it every night that’s for sure a summer cruiser that I can still beat on 1 night for 5min from a street light basically lol....other than that I just wanted something with power to cruise around in and not be embarrassed when I floor it and a Prius still passes me


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#1065674 - 03/25/20 04:01 AM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Cheford]  
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Yea those should be good brackets. I have some cheap b.s bracket and it works but I'd like to have something stronger like that holley piece.

The stock rear and tranny might hold up for a while then, but it's still a roll of the dice, so just be mindful of it.

Should be a fun car when you get that new motor in. Hope it all goes together smooth for you man.

#1065701 - 03/26/20 02:28 PM Re: Hey gusy [Re: Ethan]  
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Originally Posted by Ethan
The stock rear and tranny might hold up for a while then, but it's still a roll of the dice, so just be mindful of it.


Ethan brings up a valid concern for you. If I may suggest putting on a BIG transmission cooler (after it runs through the radiator) and a big inline/external filter. That'll keep the transmission temps down and let you change the external trans filter on a regular basis (did mine with every engine oil change) while adding a new fresh quart of fluid. That should prolong the life of the 200R4 and keep shifts as crisp as they can be - it'll also be a good gauge on how well the transmission is doing if you cut the filter open and see what is being caught by the filter.

Another point well made is the rear-end. I blew up a couple rear ends before putting in the 9" (which I consider one of the best investments I made - along with the TH400). I built an IROC with about 415 crank HP (331 rwhp on a DynoJet) for my wife back in 2002 and didn't want to buy a 9" for it unless I had too. I installed one of the cast aluminum rear covers and it held up for a number of drag strip outings on slicks and included a few passes on a 150 shot right out of the gate. So, I think the cast covers are well worth the money to help prevent or at least prolong the small pinion gear in these SS's with the 3.73 gears from exploding.

There are a number of people that sell them. The one I like is the LPW Ultimate (LPW 301-7.5G) - it has a provision for added additional bracing (LPW 341-A) for the axle housings. You have to weld on a couple tabs to the axle and the "kit" is an additional $125 or so - if you wouldn't add the additional bracing any of the other similar cast differential braces out there would do.

Here's a picture of the LPW cover with the bracing.
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