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#1064907 - 01/25/20 06:33 PM Loose Steering Column?  
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A few years ago I took the Monte a trusted mechanic to tighten the 4 tilt column screws. He was only able to remove one of the pivot pins. The extractor tool didn't have enough "heft" to remove the stuck pin, so he decided to use a slide hammer. The threaded attachment broke off in the pin and he could not drill it out. Only two of the four were tightened.
Cut to about 10 years later and now I feel there is additional slop in the column. The column will sometimes rotate a bit when I use the turn signal lever, can no longer engage the high beams, Back up lights are constantly out of adjustment and just recently the ignition will cut out (intermittently) when I am turning the wheel. This causes the car to stall.

Does it have to be rebuilt? Can I simply go in there and tighten things down?
Thanks

Last edited by jmireles; 01/25/20 08:15 PM.

-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
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#1064908 - 01/25/20 08:46 PM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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Can someone remind me of who the member is who rebuilds columns???
Gordon

#1064912 - 01/26/20 02:04 AM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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I can rebuild it, it must be sent to me, let me know!!


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#1064915 - 01/26/20 06:50 AM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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Great! PM sent...


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#1064920 - 01/27/20 02:11 AM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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#1065645 - 03/23/20 10:40 PM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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I have not had the time (until now) to remove the steering column and ship it off to be rebuilt. There is now a new development with the ignition cut out/off situation. Before this last week, the ignition would shut down only when I would turn the steering wheel (intermittent). I would simply place the trans in neutral and start the vehicle again. I did notice that the check engine light would not light up when the ignition cut out but the key was on the Run position. Today, I backed out of my driveway when the ignition shut off. The engine does turn over, again no check engine light on when the key is on the Run position but engine off. I also cannot hear the fuel pump pressurize the system. I could not get the engine to fire up, so my wife and son pushed the car back in the driveway! Lol...

I ran the normal tests:
1. Checked for full battery voltage...Placed charger on the battery. Still no go
2. Checked for fuel pressure. No pressure. The computer triggers the fuel pump relay.
3. Checked the ECM/IGN fuses at the fuse box. Also checked the PSI-supplied fuse box that came with the harness for the LS swap. All fuses good
4. Removed the trim panel under the steering column and wiggled the wires to the Ignition switch and Neutral safety switch. Still no go
5. When I first swapped in the LS2, I used the Monte's original computer power source (by the glove box) to power the Gen III PCM. There should be 12v present when the key is on the Run
and Start position. There is no voltage. I verified with a voltmeter and test light.

The only thing I can think of doing is running a wire directly from the battery to the computer but that would only prove that when 12v are present the car will fire.
Ok fellas, what are you suggestions?


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#1065653 - 03/24/20 05:12 AM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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Just a couple quick questions.

You are aware of the need to have the column rotated counterclockwise at all times if you have eliminated the rod from the trans that controls the neutral safety switch. When you eliminate that backdrive from the trans to the column that section of the column has a tendency to rotate clockwise which will kill some functions atf the neutral safety switch, such as shutting off the engine. But I'm sure you are aware of keeping that in the full counterclockwise rotation.
My A/F gauge is mounted to the column on the gear shift lever bowl. I need to insure it's rotated as it was creep down over time.

What color wire are you using to feed power to your PCM ?
Has the ignition switch ever been replaced?
Bob

#1065664 - 03/24/20 03:43 PM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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Hi Bob,

My Monte is column shifted. I can actually rotate the column a bout 3/4" more when the Trans in Park...definite play going on. My '77 Trans Am is floor shifted and because I have headers, the backdrive linkage is disabled. With that car, I do exactly what you're talking about. About 4 years ago, the fusible link by the starter kept shorting out but could not find my problem. It turned out to be the power connector to the old distributor that had not been secured correctly after the LS swap. It slid down the driver's side inner fender and rested on the brake lines! During that whole fiasco, I dropped the steering column and replaced the ignition switch but since the problem was not there, I think...think...I switched it back. I do have another ignition switch for it. I am reluctant to switch it out because there is so much play in the column.
I am using the dark pink(red) wire with black stripe to power the PCM.

Thanks

Last edited by jmireles; 03/24/20 03:45 PM.

-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#1065666 - 03/24/20 07:04 PM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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That PK/BLK wire from the 10A IGN/ECM fuse was a heavily used circuit when the CCC was being used. Power to that fuse came from the T1 terminal on the ignition switch via a heavy PINK wire to the fuse box where it was divided up to feed the CCC through the IGN/ECM fuse and also runs to feed the coil on the old 305. Also you mentioned turn signals, that heavy Pink on the switch also power the turn signal fuse along with the gauge fuse

Do you have the Helm's Electrical Supp for your car? I have the 87 Supp sitting on my desk.
I would insure that I had 12 vdc at the IGN switch, terminal T, when in the ON position.
Bob

#1065668 - 03/24/20 09:21 PM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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Yes, I do have that manual. I'll look in to that.

Thanks


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#1065681 - 03/25/20 07:26 PM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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Well, it's not the ignition switch. I just changed it out with an OEM replacement. Crank, no start....

Bob,
By T1 terminal, did you mean C1? That's what I saw in the manual anyway. The Pink wire; the one I believe to be C1 does not have 12v when the key is on the Run position. Instead, it has about 3v. The C3 (I think) terminal does have 12v when on the Run position.


EDIT: I'll get back to you guys soon. I'm back-probing these wire connectors with a T-pin and I'm not sure I'm getting accurate readings.

Last edited by jmireles; 03/25/20 07:58 PM.

-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#1065682 - 03/25/20 08:31 PM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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Do you have the Helm's Electrical suppliment?
Bob

#1065683 - 03/25/20 08:53 PM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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Yep I mean T1 which should be the heavy PINK at the switch. When the ignition switch is ON you should have a good12+ there.

C1 is a heavy RED wire, it should have 12+ alll the time.
C2 is also a heavy RED wire, 12+ all the time.

Did you mention that you also have a problem with no turn signals? That heavy PINK wire at the T1 on the ignition switch runs into the fuse block and ONLY feeds 12+ to the, IGN/ECM 10A fuse. the Gages Fuse 20 A ,and the TURN/BACKUP 20 A fuse. So if there is a problem with that PINK wire not supplying 12+ then all three fused circuits should be effected.

Just need to mention that there is another 12+ feed for the old ECM which was a constant 12+ used for the memory, the ECM FUSE 10 A in the fuse block. Would be an ORANGE wire in the original ECM plug.
Bob

#1065690 - 03/25/20 11:46 PM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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I do have turn signals, wipers and Hi beams, after adjusting the linkage to that switch. Thanks for tip on the orange wire, I'll be checking that too.


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#1065705 - 03/26/20 11:53 PM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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Well, I finally figured out what in the Freak was going on! I called PSI Conversions; they are the company I purchased the electrical portion of my LS swap from. Gary was extremely helpful! He walked me through a series of diagnostic tests until I finally found my problem. Some of the power wires that bolt on to the starter power supply were making contact with the header and on wire needed to be repaired. I added additional heat insulation and the car fired right up!

Special thanks to you, Bob.


-'87 Monte SS LS 2/4L65e Quick Perf. 9" w/disk brakes
-'89 Iroc Z28 Stock 5.7 Edelb. TES headers, Borla Exhaust90K
-'77 Trans Am 468(Stroked) Doug's Headers Flowmaster catback
B & M shift Kit 400 Turbo trans. Edel brock Performer
RPM Intake Sean Murphy built Rochester Carb. Restored
in '08. 3K
#1065710 - 03/27/20 01:14 AM Re: Loose Steering Column? [Re: jmireles]  
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