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#1065535 - 03/18/20 07:10 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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I think as usual MAP, you are being a bit dramatic. Sure the OEMs build good stuff, but look at how many of their parts and pieces are recalled every year for stupid stuff they do. Things happen.

And remember, this over-rev at no load happened 4 months and 4 hard events before one piston finally gave up completely.

I'm not blaming anyone, it's part of the deal and I wouldn't do anything different next time around. That engine was (is) awesome for what it was, it's time just ended is all. smile


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#1065536 - 03/18/20 07:15 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Is the preferred plan to source a forged piston set and reassemble with existing rods? Re-balance?

#1065537 - 03/18/20 08:53 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: ramey36]  
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Originally Posted by ramey36
Is the preferred plan to source a forged piston set and reassemble with existing rods? Re-balance?


Probably going to take new rods as well because of piston compression height...and bore.


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#1065538 - 03/18/20 09:06 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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I've been bitten far too many times by poor reliability on the part of the aftermarket to be anything less than, shall we say, assertive in calling-out negligent reliability engineering and quality control. Of course, this doesn't apply to all of the aftermarket, but still a good chunk of it. I blew up four 200R4s advertised as being sutitable for 1,000hp behind a motor that might have made 350hp on a good day.

But I've also been bitten by lousy engineering on the part of GM. I remember a door speaker I designed for them back in the 2000 timeframe. The various design requirements and validations were so profuse and stringent that I thought surely any car they would sell would have to be reliable.

So we bought a 2000 Impala. What a piece of junk that turned out to be! Had to sell it at about 60k miles because everything in it was breaking, and I was getting tired of fixing it. If I had the dealer do all the work, it would have been well into five figures of service charges. That's when we switched to Toyota, and things stopped breaking.

As you can see I have a sore spot on this topic.

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#1065549 - 03/19/20 06:01 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Ron as explained in the coil spring post the 8 grand was just an OH S- - - moment, no documentation. Just knew it was way over limits for a few seconds under no load. thought I'd killed it. The old 305 was virtually stock, just TES, a very good stainless cat back, a some CCC trickery. Went 14.9s at 93 a few times with the T56 and lousy 60s, nothing special.

Hi Ramey, good to hear from you.

Mark if that Safeguard tweaked your interest got maybe a few other things to show ya that add some novelty to the car. We'd do that via a PM to keep this to getting Lance making his next outing when the gates open again.

Lance isn't that 88962748 piston a drop in for your engine?

Lots of time to bang on a keyboard, not a tv watcher especially with nothing to watch.
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#1065885 - 04/08/20 06:29 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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It has now been 48 days since I hurt the engine in Barney taking it off the road.

I typically try to not take it off the road for longer than 3 weeks at any one time. Careful planning and working fast helps me get the car back on the road ready to enjoy quickly. The EFI swap took about 7 weeks which was longer than normal, but it was a HUGE job.

I have to say, it is really starting to bug me that I haven't even decided on a path to repair yet, much less actually started buying parts and getting things done. This will be the longest this car has been down since I first restored the underside of it back in 2008. I said there would be no hurry as race season was basically done for me anyway, then this whole Covid-19 deal happened...but I'm ready to get it moving forward soon I hope.

I've met a local machinist that is working on some pricing for me. Soon then after I'll be making some final decision on which path to take.

Meanwhile...I'll keep working on the Jeep.

Stay safe everyone...


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#1065891 - 04/08/20 09:31 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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If it makes you feel any better i had the 86 out for a 10 mile ride today, even got to push on the pedal a little harder in 3rd gear.
This state of the union effects so many thing, free, dumb, and happy is just a memory right now.

Keep us posted with any progress. I've always had that same goal, minimum downtime. Unfortunately fixing what happened needs some thinking to be done, some planning and still at the mercy of parts and the labor.

Some time I have a few questions about Sean's truck, steering arms specifically.
Bob

#1065931 - 04/11/20 10:22 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Progress?

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#1065933 - 04/12/20 01:42 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Let me guess, you found a buyer and dropping the engine off on you way to picking up the LT4?
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#1065947 - 04/12/20 11:16 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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The drive to the machine shop is about 25 hours shorter than the drive to his buyer, good choice.


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#1065949 - 04/12/20 01:06 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Found a real nice guy that works for a big engine shop during the day and has another complete shop in his garage at his house to do side jobs in. He is letting me purchase the major parts through my speed shop accounts and is just charging me for labor.

It is going to get new forged rods and pistons. We are going to build the bottom end to handle what the top end is capable of throwing at it.


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#1065957 - 04/12/20 03:52 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Don't you just love it when a plan comes together.

Are you still doing a cam swap?
Bob

#1065961 - 04/12/20 09:36 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Probably leave same cam in it.


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#1065988 - 04/13/20 05:19 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Originally Posted by mmc427ss
Don't you just love it when a plan comes together.

Are you still doing a cam swap?
Bob


Sorry missed your call last night Bob, holler back when you have time. I'll be busy 11 am-12:30ish my time today, then free after that.


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#1066033 - 04/17/20 03:50 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Big beautiful pistons that have been ordered...

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https://www.jepistons.com/pistons-130974

With this ring set...

https://www.cnc-motorsports.com/je-premium-race-series-piston-ring-set-j10008-4010-5.html

Which will be hung on these rods...

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Scat H-beam connecting rods are the strongest Scat connecting rods available by Scat. These Scat H-beam connecting rods are perfect for supercharged and nitrous applications. These rods incorporate a special doweled cap for specific cap-to-rod alignment and are profiled with extra clearance for stroker applications. Forged 4340 material with ARP 7/16 8740 rod bolts make them very strong and affordable. H Beam rods with ARP 8740 Bolts are rated to 750 horsepower on small blocks and 850 on big blocks.

https://www.cnc-motorsports.com/scat-rods-2-350-5850-2100-h-beam-connecting-rods.html

The new rod length and comp height on the new pistons will put the top of the piston at the same height as the OE pistons. The OE piston had a 18 cc dish and the new piston has a 14 cc dish so that along with maybe a touch of decking and cleanup on the heads might make for just a bump in compression ratio but not a big deal. Bottom end should be safe to 7,000 RPM, it'll be interesting to see how high the top end can go now.

The rods and rings are on their way to me already, the pistons have to be special cut because of a bore size change, JE said 3-4 weeks, CNC said 5 weeks... We'll see. Block is disassembled ready to clean. Builder won't start machine work on block until pistons are in hand to be sure it gets cut perfectly. He can get started freshening the heads up though.

Glad to have this decision making part out of the way, now just have to find the money to pay for it all and wait in parts jail for a bit.


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#1066035 - 04/17/20 04:28 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Those are nice rods Lance, I have them in my sons engine as well as two of my own. Hence the reason my eagle rods are in a part stash...LOL I would have bumped the compression up a bit more, say 11.5:1 but that's a choice you have to be comfortable with.

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#1066038 - 04/17/20 07:30 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Thanks Ron, I have to be on the safe side since I travel so much and don't carry fuel with me. We talked about it, builder wanted to give me the option but I like it the way it is...


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#1066039 - 04/17/20 08:12 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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My sons reverse cooled LT1 is 11.5:1 and runs on 93, my new 454 LSx will run the same fuel at the same compression. My older cars in the past I ran pump gas and a little fuel additive from race gas, a quart goes a long way as you would only need a couple point boost as you go.

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#1066042 - 04/18/20 02:22 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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What a nice pile of parts. After looking at the pic of that JE piston I had to go back to my old pics and look at the JEs in my shortblock. Yep, they were as pretty as yours.when new. You hate to hide them forever inside the block. Art should be somewhere you can appreciate it. Good choice!
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#1066058 - 04/19/20 02:03 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Hello Lance
It looks like a nice package you are putting together there. Do you have any idea as to what the final out put might be?
By the way, I enjoyed our visit with you when Judy and I stopped by on our way back home to Michigan.
I hope you and your wife are doing well with the virus and all.
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#1066296 - 05/04/20 07:04 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: Keithss]  
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Originally Posted by Keithss
Hello Lance
It looks like a nice package you are putting together there. Do you have any idea as to what the final out put might be?
By the way, I enjoyed our visit with you when Judy and I stopped by on our way back home to Michigan.
I hope you and your wife are doing well with the virus and all.
Keith


Thanks again for stopping by Keith, always nice to meet people in person that I've known for years online.

I don't expect it to be a big change in power really. The compression ration will be about the same and it's the same cam, but the builder did say he cleaned up an area in the heads that should help the bottom end a little bit. Main difference will be to see how hard it keeps pulling above where I'd normally shift at 6,000 RPM.


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#1066297 - 05/04/20 07:12 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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So I finally uploaded all of the pics I pulled down from photobucket a couple of years ago...and ran across some doozies.

Here she was in all her glory not long after I bought it...

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I had cleaned up and restored the bottom side before this picture was taken but hadn't touched much else.

305 vs 383

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Newly tinted windows

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GTO seat install

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New Billet Wheels

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Then I discovered racing...

These was taken at my very first test N tune...

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It was all downhill after that... laugh Thanks everyone for going along on this crazy ride with me.

New pistons have been cut and are on the way to me. Stay tuned...


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#1066330 - 05/07/20 03:04 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Nice pics.

When we look back at what was and what is now our checkbooks cringe.
I tend to not look at my old pics of the car when I bought it with 9200 miles on the odometer and all that extremely shiny black paint. Now approaching 170K and only a frame being original well past the point of no return. Not proud of what the paint looks like today but won't allow it to go to the paint penitentiary.

When I was a kid and had my first car my mother insisted i keep a log book of money I spent on it. To this day I keep accurate logs of all expensive on the vehicles. But I'm smart enough to NEVER show the one from the 86 to my wife.
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#1066332 - 05/07/20 09:23 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Barney was so innocent back then. Loved the GTO seats.


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#1066358 - 05/10/20 05:46 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Got a big brown truck delivery at 930 pm last night


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Parts are at the builders, work starts this week prepping everything.


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