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#1062036 - 05/26/19 05:44 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Lance is taking baby steps to the dark side. You'll be driving Barney to LS Fest soon..........


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#1062048 - 05/27/19 03:40 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Originally Posted by mmc427ss

I've been gone a week and you still don't have that thing running????



Says the guy that took 6 weeks to replace his door seals... laugh

Patience grasshopper...patience... wink


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#1062049 - 05/27/19 03:41 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Originally Posted by WB of NOLA
Lance is taking baby steps to the dark side. You'll be driving Barney to LS Fest soon..........


Maybe to the spectators parking lot... wink


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#1062053 - 05/28/19 04:51 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Still chuckling, it was only 5 weeks. My clutch replacement starts Sun, will have 3 1/2 weeks to get it done, wish me luck.

Clutch install keeps getting more complicated, the trans to bell adapter plate is a 1/2x13x13 chunk of steel, about 20 lbs. Making a trip over to see if S&W can water jet a duplicate in alum in the next day or so. Why? Saves a couple pound off the front end, but more so because I need to complicate this RST install. The intent is this being the last time I'll have the flywheel off the car, do the things you thought about but never did. One of them was that heavy adapter plate. I run a Lakewood scattershield/blocksaver plate, HEAVY, add the adapter and you need a floor jack to install them together. So a 13 lbs savings has always been something I've thought about.

Hoping you didn't run into fuel delivery issues, lots of little details to do it right. Fuel leaks are not a good thing, especially at those high pressures needed. Two hose clamps to hold a hose on ain't kosher. Out back, above the tank there's a lot going on, do it once.

Any events coming up that you need to deadline the install?
Bob

#1062057 - 05/28/19 01:47 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Originally Posted by mmc427ss
Still chuckling, it was only 5 weeks. My clutch replacement starts Sun, will have 3 1/2 weeks to get it done, wish me luck.

Clutch install keeps getting more complicated, the trans to bell adapter plate is a 1/2x13x13 chunk of steel, about 20 lbs. Making a trip over to see if S&W can water jet a duplicate in alum in the next day or so. Why? Saves a couple pound off the front end, but more so because I need to complicate this RST install. The intent is this being the last time I'll have the flywheel off the car, do the things you thought about but never did. One of them was that heavy adapter plate. I run a Lakewood scattershield/blocksaver plate, HEAVY, add the adapter and you need a floor jack to install them together. So a 13 lbs savings has always been something I've thought about.

Hoping you didn't run into fuel delivery issues, lots of little details to do it right. Fuel leaks are not a good thing, especially at those high pressures needed. Two hose clamps to hold a hose on ain't kosher. Out back, above the tank there's a lot going on, do it once.

Any events coming up that you need to deadline the install?
Bob




Yes fuel leaks are bad, makes sure that if you re-use the 3/8's steel feed line that you deal with the small length of flexible low pressure hose near the passenger rear wheel under a little heat shield. I missed it the first time through. almost had a major leak on hot exhaust!.


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#1062058 - 05/28/19 02:13 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Made the hard choice week or so ago to pull the hard factory feed and return lines from the car (that was fun). I have 25' of Fragola PTFE and it will have hard AN fittings at fuel pump, each side of inline filter and fuel rail is all. I will put heat shield back in place for sure. The new line will run right along path factory line was using same attachment points until it turns near pass foot well and heads up to back of intake manifold.

Hope my tank gets done soon, I'm almost ready for it. Headers and head pipes are back in ( did I ever mention that I hate headers on a street car?) Now time to wire up relay box and battery connections.


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#1062061 - 05/28/19 04:18 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Originally Posted by SSLance
Made the hard choice week or so ago to pull the hard factory feed and return lines from the car (that was fun). I have 25' of Fragola PTFE and it will have hard AN fittings at fuel pump, each side of inline filter and fuel rail is all. I will put heat shield back in place for sure. The new line will run right along path factory line was using same attachment points until it turns near pass foot well and heads up to back of intake manifold.

Hope my tank gets done soon, I'm almost ready for it. Headers and head pipes are back in ( did I ever mention that I hate headers on a street car?) Now time to wire up relay box and battery connections.



Nice choice! eventually I want to do the PTFE lines and run a fuel pressure regulator instead of the deadhead system. I have a good pump, but I did cheap out the rest of my fuel system. Not that you need to do anything crazy for a N/A motor.

Looking forward to seeing your impression of the car with EFI and the dyno pull.


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#1062062 - 05/28/19 05:12 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Thanks, I'm just looking forward to hearing it start and run at this point... laugh


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#1062063 - 05/28/19 05:54 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Originally Posted by mmc427ss


Any events coming up that you need to deadline the install?
Bob



There is a SCCA CAM event in San Diego June 13-14 I'd like to go to but not killing myself for it if it doesn't happen. Did order new tires last weekend (DTD had a sale) so that part will be taken care of soon also.

Last Sat was 3 weeks from the start so I missed that deadline...Lord willing and the creeks don't rise I should be close to ready to fire by the end of week 4.

Engine itself is pretty buttoned up, spacer mod worked great, headers and mid pipes are back on with new graphite gaskets that fit great, V Band clamps and O2 bung worked out great as well. We'll see if there are any leaks once it makes heat...

Up top got all of the vacuum lines arranged and hooked back up. I have a bit of an issue with the AC line and the new raised radiator hose that I didn't plan on, it'll be fine for now but this may be the straw that humps me into finally getting my 34 year old lines replaced properly...

New starter wire, new alt charge wire and new engine to battery ground wire are in place on engine side and all ECU harness leads are at the battery area. Next up is wiring up a relay center and making all electrical connections to relay center and battery posts. Also need to run a power wire to the coil and tach signal wire to the gauge module.

Then once that is all done, making some fuel lines and installing the tank...then we test everything and make heat...

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Gave these a new coat of Eastwood's high temp ceramic coating since they were out. last coat lasted over 3 years and still looked pretty good.

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O2 port put the top of the sensor a little closer to floor than I would have preferred but it'll be okay. Someday I'll redo the whole exhaust properly and fix it then.

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That's it for now...y'all are up top date... laugh


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#1062079 - 05/30/19 12:38 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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A suggestion I would make would be run a double spring on the throttle linkage. There's a reason every GM car has a double spring. Back when I was kid we didn't know any better, have seen the results of only one spring a few times since. The GM dual spring is a good choice, use the one from the Qjet.

Headers looking pretty again for a while. Thinking you have a cure for the flanges this time. They can't be leakers.

Laid under the dash till late last night and several hours today. My back is killing me, rocker panel plates a contributing factor. Pulled the clutch pedal out and replaced the perfectly good 20 year old bushings with perfectly good new bushings. The only thing good to come of that is, thinking, hmm, satisfaction?
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#1062081 - 05/30/19 03:26 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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The TPS has a pretty stout return spring in it already...I put the double spring on it and couldn't move the throttle with my hand. It is still pretty stiff with just the one extra return spring on it. I like the throttle stiff though, easier to modulate it. The soft DBW throttles are hard to drive on course


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#1062083 - 05/30/19 04:07 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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The double spring has nothing to do with tension, it has everything yo do with redundant! Two is better if one goes on vacation.
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#1062087 - 05/30/19 04:23 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Hence the one on the throttle cable bracket backing up the one in the TPS... wink


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#1062092 - 05/30/19 08:28 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Got my relay box bracket fabbed and mounted along with my positive and negative distribution lugs.

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It's behind the headlight in front of the core support right ahead of the battery. Pretty protected yet should be pretty easy to access as well if needed.

Pinned the wires to the fan relays to get my feet wet, went pretty well I think. Now onto the fun stuff...

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Hope this works... **fingers crossed**

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#1062114 - 06/01/19 07:34 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Hi Lance,

In the absence of further information, the circuit looks plausible. Just make sure that the relay internals are absolutely watertight, and that the relay contacts are rated for at least double (my recommendation) of the maximum load you expect to see from whatever device or motor is being actuated. The large safety margin is related to the inductance of the electric motors you're driving. On the face of it, 20A contacts seem a bit skimpy.

Best,
MAP

#1062120 - 06/01/19 10:49 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Yeah, I just guessed at the 20 amp fuse part, havent decided what to actually use there yet. I think my fuel pump calls for a 25 amp and my twin fans were running off 1 single 40 amp fuse for both motors previously. The rest is all just small stuff, trigger to turn on ECU and coil.

The relays are all 40 amp and the box is sealed up top and bottom with weather pack silicone seals.


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#1062128 - 06/02/19 04:22 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Hi Lance,

So you have about 2:1 safety margin for the relay for the fan motors, and about 1.6:1 for the fuel pump. I think you're close to OK for the fuel pump because that motor probably has low inductance. But in your shoes, I'd call the manufacturer for each and get relay/fuse recommendations. It's impossible to have too much current capacity with the relays.

Best,
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#1062150 - 06/03/19 09:10 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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I'm pretty stoked with how this turned out, so glad I took this route. Basically we took a new OEM carb (non-baffled) tank and adapted it with parts from Vaporworx to hold a Gen 5 fuel module internally regulated to 58 psi with two corner pickups. The regulator lets us run a returnless system and since I have a non-vented gas cap we retained the stock pickup for a vent to the charcoal canister and the fuel level sender. My friend Mike Hitt had the pan cut and bent up at a local machine shop and then welded the pickup tabs and flange pan into the tank for me.

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Here are a list of most of the parts used along with pics and links.

SPECTRA PREMIUM GM306A Carb Tank
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=17455&jsn=4

ACDELCO MU1959 Gen 5 Camaro Fuel Module
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk=2291898&jsn=1


Fuel Pump Module Mounting Ring – 304 Stainless.
https://www.vaporworx.com/product/gm5ss/

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Corner Pickup Kit
https://www.vaporworx.com/product/cptkit/

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Fuel Pressure Regulator
https://www.vaporworx.com/product/g5fpr/

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Fuel Module Outlet Fitting 3/8″ to AN6 Male
https://www.vaporworx.com/product/fpofgmqcan6/

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This should give Barney a Fifth Gen Camaro fuel delivery system with OEM reliability and no fuel starve issues.

One more piece of the puzzle is in place, getting pretty close to finishing this project up.


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#1062153 - 06/04/19 01:11 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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If I would have thought about it I could have sent you a clean GN FI tank... You would have put it to good use and saved you all that work.


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#1062160 - 06/04/19 04:11 AM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Thanks but no thanks... I know too many people that fight fuel starve issues with pumps on a stick. Even with a couple small baffles in them...


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#1062162 - 06/04/19 12:31 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Wow that car of yours must really make some big power. My cars are only in the 600- 650 range so I haven’t had any issues there.


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#1062164 - 06/04/19 03:08 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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It's not about the power Barney makes, it is the G loads it will handle that would make the pump on a stick method fuel starve.

I realize that that method works well for most people, but I also realize that I do things with this car that most people don't. Fuel starve issues suck...and can ruin a track day. I travel too far and put too much effort into having good days at the track to have them disrupted by something that is "pretty easily" fixable.

Everyone I know that tracks their old muscle cars with a late model module and corner pickups is 100% happy with their fuel delivery system. Everyone I know that tracks their old muscle cars with a pump on a stick feeding their EFI struggles with fuel starve if they don't keep their tank full of fuel. I'd rather not have to carry 5 gallon jugs of fuel everywhere I go.


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#1062169 - 06/04/19 06:54 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Where in this long thread is the Dakota Digital install?


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#1062172 - 06/04/19 07:38 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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That little project starts at page 16, over 6 years ago. Lance has spent some time making mods to his car. And it looks like it will never stop. Good for him, good for us.
Bob

#1062176 - 06/04/19 08:08 PM Re: SSLance's Build thread [Re: SSLance]  
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Hi Lance,

Did I miss something, or did you really say you used two corner pickups? You need 4.00000.

Thanks,
MAP

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