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#1058949 - 09/04/18 08:43 PM Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course  
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Even with a loss of 50-75 hp due to elevation it still pulls right with an LS7...

https://youtu.be/5PhoZxxRq_M?t=104


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#1058958 - 09/05/18 03:02 AM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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Which car had the LS7?

I saw an LT1 powered Stingray and a Hemi Charger and some foreign cars that looked at lot like VW bugs.


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#1058967 - 09/05/18 03:59 PM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: thepezking639]  
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I was told the Stingray was an LS7...but who knows?

So maybe I should rephrase...

Slow truck engine against a LT1 Corvette and a blown 7.0 lt Charger with Hoosier slicks on a road course...

Does that make it better? laugh


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#1058978 - 09/06/18 10:30 PM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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I watched that video on YouTube since I'm a subscriber on your channel. Im very impressed with you're driving skills. You were able to pass that Porsche and the Corvette who was break checking you in the beginning. Im new to all of this stuff so its cool to see a Monte Carlo SS race with the big boys.


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#1058981 - 09/07/18 12:30 AM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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Thanks... It is a lot of fun to run with cars that we shouldn't be able to run with for sure. Most of the other drivers are very cool about, issuing point-bys in a timely manner and all but there always seems to be a couple that are hard headed about it. Thankfully there was a long straight there and I could usually get by them there even if they didn't want me too.

It seemed like after every session someone would stop by in the paddock and check the car out and chat about how it did on track, that is always cool as well.

Thanks for subscribing...


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#1058986 - 09/07/18 05:10 AM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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I thought the one newer import was a Fiat. That old tin can running later I thought was a B210, of course nobody remember them.
Your 40 year old technology runs pretty good. We could tweak a little on it to maybe fix that gurgle.

Would think most of those guys there are running a track tire, Hoosiers or something similar, not so much a 200 wear tire. I can see were 125 miles of running that hard can eat up tires. It's a nice reward when all the time and effort on the front end has paid dividends. Now just need to get a little better sticking out back. But that's a G-body issue.

Out your way the season is just getting started, here it almost over.

Oh, looks like the Kenny Wallace thing this weekend was cancelled, guess dirt cars don't run in the rain.
Bob

#1058989 - 09/07/18 12:33 PM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Originally Posted by mmc427ss

Your 40 year old technology runs pretty good. We could tweak a little on it to maybe fix that gurgle.

Now just need to get a little better sticking out back. But that's a G-body issue.


Bob,

If we could convince Lance that Fuel Injection isn't the Devil I could have that gurgle tuned out in a few key strokes on my laptop lmao

As for the sticking out back, I know I'm going 3 link 8.8 from an S197 soon, I wonder if Lance is ready to give up on the Triangulated 4 link as well?

Tough luck on the cancellation.


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#1058993 - 09/07/18 03:54 PM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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Why would I need to tune it out when I could still keep up with the fuel injected cars as is? laugh

The next step in fixing the rear is about to take shape...

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#1058995 - 09/07/18 04:27 PM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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Originally Posted by SSLance
Why would I need to tune it out when I could still keep up with the fuel injected cars as is? laugh

The next step in fixing the rear is about to take shape...

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Why keep up if you could beat them? tongue


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#1058998 - 09/07/18 11:08 PM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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Learning how to downshift from 4th to 3rd properly would help in that regard as well...


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#1059002 - 09/08/18 12:52 AM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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Fixing the rear is the first order of business.
Spending $2000 to go FI on the engine would only make it easier to start when it's sat for a week. Just adding a 50 dollar electric pump to fill the carb would do that.
That gurgle is probably nothing more than an adjustment.

Can't remember, gettin old, what's has been done inside that LT1 T56. it's now 25 years old. The 3/4 parts take a beating, My trans, A/F T56 bought new in 02, should have the 3/4 freshened again. When the solid keys went in that trans 15 years ago, broke the 3/4 stamped steel keys, most of 3/4 syncho was also replaced, they were cheap parts back then. These old T56s from the years ago don't have the guts of the latest, greatest T56s.
Bob

#1059021 - 09/10/18 04:15 AM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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Looks like that charger must have had a power upgrade he got you on the straights but you were in his pocket on the curves. Looked like he was slowing you down on the tight turns.


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#1059022 - 09/10/18 02:06 PM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Originally Posted by mmc427ss
Just adding a 50 dollar electric pump to fill the carb would do that.



They make special pumps for that?

I hate when the car sits for a week, pump pedal 5 times, crank crank crank, pump pedal 5 times crank crank crank, pump 2x and hold it, crank start.


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#1059023 - 09/10/18 02:16 PM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: 345HP87SSAC]  
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Originally Posted by 345HP87SSAC
Looks like that charger must have had a power upgrade he got you on the straights but you were in his pocket on the curves. Looked like he was slowing you down on the tight turns.



He was running a boosted 7.0 lt hemi and Hoosier race slicks. We had a blast running together with very similar overall lap times.


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#1059048 - 09/12/18 02:38 AM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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Originally Posted by SSLance
I was told the Stingray was an LS7...but who knows?

So maybe I should rephrase...

Slow truck engine against a LT1 Corvette and a blown 7.0 lt Charger with Hoosier slicks on a road course...

Does that make it better? laugh



This is funny stuff.....

Your car is slow Lance, buy a LS7!!! LMAO


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#1059077 - 09/15/18 04:59 PM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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which slow truck engine is in Barney? I need one for a project. You have had such good luck maybe ill copy you.

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GMPP HT383... Add worked over Fastburn heads a custom cam and go chase down LS swaps... wink


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AHh so you do have a better cam!


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#1059082 - 09/16/18 12:06 AM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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The heads made the big difference though...


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#1059831 - 11/14/18 01:31 AM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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Originally Posted by SSLance
Why would I need to tune it out when I could still keep up with the fuel injected cars as is? laugh

The next step in fixing the rear is about to take shape...

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So what was coming to you from CA that's going to fix the rear??


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#1059835 - 11/14/18 03:16 PM Re: Slow truck engine against an LS7 on a road course [Re: SSLance]  
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Oh my Goodness... Norm!! Good to see you again...

That was the 3 piece spline end, tube mount, front sway bar that basically doubled the front sway bar rate from what I had before.

It worked pretty good...and gave me the opportunity to try something different again out back which happens today.


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Norm, been awhile, good to see you stopping by. Input on Forums these days is limited to say the least. Even MAP made an appearance a few months ago.
Always like to hear your take on these suspension improvements for the Gs. In recent years better parts for most any muscle car have flooded the market with choices. Lance and a few others have taken G handling and braking to a new level and do it seriously.

As with Lance I'm looking to get the most out of the rear suspension. Hard to do with a front heavy, small tire car.
Bob


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I know Lances car handles well but I don't really think it's nearly as good as some of the competitors he runs with or even might out run. I've watched more than enough videos of him that have me laughing as he really drives that car above it's limits.

The "HT 383" is advertised as that "truck engine". Which it's not anymore! So if you and Lance have truck engines Bob then I have one too. I sent you my new truck engines Dyno sheet and all under 5900 RPM it made 630 HP and 630 TQ which has you all beat in the truck engine bragging department! LOL I built this engine on a bet that we couldn't make that much power on a pump gas D port head. I won with some help from Dave laugh...

My son will be road racing the new 396 SS we're building this winter. I plan to send him to Ron's driving school after the holidays to prepare. So Lance if you see a new Black Z71 diesel pulling a white SS, that's him and he's eager to learn the sport.

Regards,
Ron.

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Ron, gotta agree with ya, Lance is outgunned, most of those car are race cars on diets with huge tires and drivers who don't care if it breaks. It's hard to compete. But Lance is a competitor and really gets what he can out of the car. Front heavy, skinny rear tires, narrow track width, top heavy, how can it compete with the Speedway Camaro. But he does go for it.

My truck engine is getting up in years now, soon be 12 and 20k, not tired yep but could use a freshening up. Still gets out of it own way, still has traction issues but still is fun to drive. Only put 1500 miles on it this year, some of that over 5K on the tach.

The 427 truck engine under the hood is pretty much just that. The shortblock is stout at 10.1, good heads and valve train but is limited by the small cam at 112, a single plane intake, 800 Qjet. The exhaust is Hooker 2050 emissions headers into the 3" testpipe, efficient 2 1/2" stainless the rest of the way. The cam run out of breathe at 6K, the exhaust impedes the top end. Remedying those to gain the other 100 hp is to much bother. With tons of torque, 4.11 gears and a 2.97 1st gear it could pull tree stumps, if it could get traction. Would make a good truck engine.

Best of luck to your son Ron.
Bob

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I just woke up at 4:45 am after spending the night in a cold RV in a dirt parking lot so I could get in line to get into a show at 5:30 am to make sure I get a good grid spot for a race that I pretty much have zero shot at competing in...

Ron, tell your son to take up golf!!! lol...

Thanks for the kind words, we'll give 'em hell today and see where it shakes out. I'm happy to be the guy with the little truck engine powered street car nipping at the big guy's heels...


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