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#1057299 - 05/15/18 04:10 AM Leaking Transmission Pan Gasket  
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Last week I got round to dropping my transmission pan to change out a leaking gasket. The old gasket was in a terrible state and literally fell apart when the pan was removed. It was brittle and hard, and appeared to be cork/ fiber based. Now, the transmission pan had been leaking ever since I got the car on the road in the Spring of 2017, not so bad that it needed urgent attention, just bad enough to leave plenty of drips wherever the car was parked. It was on my "to do" list for ages, and finally I got round to sorting it.

Getting everything apart wasn't too much of an issue, and thanks to the purchase of an XL kitty litter tray that I had under the transmission, dropping the pan with fluid in it turned out to not be such a bad job after all. There was relatively little in the way of spills thanks to the kitty litter tray catching most of the stray fluid. I left the trans to drain overnight to get out the majority of the fluid, and then made sure all the old gasket material was removed and that the mating surfaces were as clean as possible. I did this by using Scotch pads and brake cleaner, and the pictures below show how clean everything was. I also inspected the sump pan edges for warping, and there wasn't any that was noticeable, and no noticeable distortion around the bolt holes either.

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I fitted the new trans filter to the transmission, and then installed the sump pan and gasket. The gasket is the rubber type, and the holes are slightly smaller than the bolts, which helpfully holds the bolts in place while raising the sump into position. Once in position I tightened all the bolts by hand until they just started to nip the gasket. Then, as per instructions, I continued to tighten the bolts by hand in a crisscross pattern, starting in the center and working outwards. I then used my torque wrench at just below 10 lbs/ ft (the manual says 8 lbs/ ft, though 10 lbs/ ft is the lowest my wrench will go to), and then repeated the crisscross pattern as previously until all the bolts were at the correct torque.

Filled it up with trans fluid and took it for a test run, came back and checked for leaks. It was leaking noticeable out of the front edge, behind the torque converter, more so on the drivers side corner, so I torqued the bolts some more, this time about 1/4 of a turn. There was an improvement, though there was still some leaking, so I tried another 1/4 of a turn. Again, an improvement but still an ooze. Finally I decided to up the torque to 12 lbs/ ft, and this seemed to improve matters.

At this point I was working on replacing the speedometer cable and had the car jacked up on the drivers side. This showed up another "ooze" from the rear passenger side of the trans sump (the angle of the car on stands pushed the fluid to this area). I tried increasing the torque again, this time to 15 lbs/ ft. The leak now appeared to have gone, but if left over night it still managed some small drips. Eventually I had the speedo cable fitted and put the car on the level, and that was a lot better. However, the fluid was low (I lost some when I removed the speedometer drive gear) after checking the dipstick, so I topped up by a quart. Now it started dripping from the front of the pan again, around the area of the two front bolts. Note that these last leaks occurred after I topped up the fluid and hadn't actually driven the car, therefore they are directly linked to the fluid level in the trans sump pan.

I've researched online and it seems to be a common issue of people not being able to stop TH200-4R trans pans from leaking, even after new fitting a new gasket and correctly torquing the pan. Much of what else I've read also says not to use any sealant, which I didn't. I'm not sure what else I can do? Is it possible that the new Duralast gasket isn't capable of sealing properly? Should I use a different make of gasket? Any suggestions/ tips as to how I can get a leak free trans sump will be gratefully received.


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#1057302 - 05/15/18 01:53 PM Re: Leaking Transmission Pan Gasket [Re: ChasUno]  
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Mine didn't leak when I had a 200R4. I'd remove the pan again and place the pan upside down on a perfectly flat surface with a flashlight inside. Check around the sealing edge for light leaking out, pan could have been previously over tightened and distorted. Lightly hammer the pan sealing surface level so no light from your flashlight leaks out.
I'd go back to using cork since I think that is OEM style sealing..or use the black silicone gasket maker.
Don't overtightened bolts to stop the drips, you can and will strip the threads.
Let us know how it works out.


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#1057332 - 05/18/18 11:35 PM Re: Leaking Transmission Pan Gasket [Re: ChasUno]  
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Stamped pans kind of suck, I'd upgrade to a hughes deep pan made of cast aluminum

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0184JPLF...CHXH79OC0J1G&ref_=hit_wr_dt_vr_md_pt

extra capacity, better filter, and seals better for sure.


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#1057334 - 05/19/18 02:35 AM Re: Leaking Transmission Pan Gasket [Re: ChasUno]  
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I am pretty sure the OEM pan gasket is/was paper/cardboard, it usually does the job. I think the filter kit comes with one. good luck!


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#1057335 - 05/19/18 05:30 AM Re: Leaking Transmission Pan Gasket [Re: ChasUno]  
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I've used the autozone gaskets and had good luck with them. I usually clean all the old gasket off both sides then spray some brake clean on a towel and go over the surfaces with that. Then I use some of that Indian headgasket shellac on the pan side and then the gasket on. I've done my car twice and my brother's car and I have had no leaks. I just hand tighten.

#1057340 - 05/19/18 11:37 PM Re: Leaking Transmission Pan Gasket [Re: ChasUno]  
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Nice Sunny Hawaii
Why, oh why you didn't install the drain plug! J/K..................

Damn! the pan look so good. I cleaned mine, but no where near you pan. Trans look good too! Did you rebuild the trans recently?


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#1057418 - 05/25/18 04:44 AM Re: Leaking Transmission Pan Gasket [Re: ChasUno]  
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I know i'm late to the post, but if you haven,t fixed it yet, and the pan is flat, you could try going over with lapping compound (if your out of options lol)
worked wonders on seal surfaces for Kelly valves on oil rigs.

#1057419 - 05/25/18 04:46 AM Re: Leaking Transmission Pan Gasket [Re: ChasUno]  
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Sandpaper works too i hear

#1057425 - 05/25/18 10:53 PM Re: Leaking Transmission Pan Gasket [Re: ChasUno]  
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Fel-pro TOS18662

Install dry and never look back

Those kit gaskets are absolutely horrible

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#1057461 - 05/27/18 01:40 PM Re: Leaking Transmission Pan Gasket [Re: ChasUno]  
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Overtightening the bolts will warp the pan .i have also used motoseal its not rtv .make sure pan rail on tranny is clean .i wipe around it then on the case above the rail so fluid doesmt drip onto rail while getting the pan in place


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#1057465 - 05/28/18 02:42 AM Re: Leaking Transmission Pan Gasket [Re: ChasUno]  
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Thanks for all the input and suggestions everyone. I am away from home for a couple of weeks, until then obviously all work has stopped on my MCSS.

When I get back I will see how much it has leaked while I was away (I'm expecting a puddle for sure). Right now I'm thinking that my best course of action is to drop the pan and check it on a flat surface as per Upflying's advice. Once I know it is flat, or needs some gentle massaging to make flat, then I will try the Felpro gaskets that 83streetmachine suggested. As said, currently it's a lot better than it was originally though it would be nice to get it completely oil tight.


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