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#1055264 - 01/12/18 03:28 PM Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar  
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Recently found out that my 87 ss was a north carolina hwy. Patrol car. Its in decent shape, factory everthing except exaust, upholstery in good shape, cracked dash, motor runs good, alil smoke on crank up. Paint is ruff and scuffed in places. But over all its fun to drive odometer says 63700 on it but who knows. Previous owner said it was rite.

Just needing some opions, I'm planning a trade with a guy on a vette (i know i know but ive had montes of all types my whole professional driving career...lol) and just gotta get it out of my system) ......

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#1055269 - 01/12/18 05:20 PM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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Valve guides is probably causing the start up smoke, mileage is no doubt 163,000. Cop cars generally lead hard lives but I have heard of Monte Carlo Ss's used as patrol vehicles..especially in Hawaii.
I'd be cautious about a Corvette trade, worst year is the Cross Fire Injection 1984 C4..they are not worth much. They can be money pits. Corvettes are emotional purchases, your common sense goes out the window when Corvette is on your mind.
I'd keep the Monte Carlo, I am partial to cop cars for some reason. Maybe you can document its history.
I would also question the motivations of the trade, who initiated it and why?

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#1055278 - 01/12/18 09:37 PM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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Without any documentation I don't think any value is added. If there are any signs physically that the car was it might be interesting to a potential buyer though, or anyone really. I heard in Hawaii the police officers used their personal cars, at least back in the 80's and earlier, and many would use Monte SS's and other "performance" cars and possibly removed the spoilers for whatever reason. Also the FBI using Turbo Regals has been a rumor and I think some were proven to of been used.


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#1055282 - 01/13/18 01:05 AM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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Well i had an ad on Craigslist for a corvette trade for about 6-7 months. Talked with several people, mainly for c4's. Most of them wanted some boot with the trade. (Even if there car was crappier than mine)...this guy contacted me about the possibility of a trade. Told me he was a gbody collector. Aight heres the deal. Its an 82 collector edition.....that's been in a bang up on the front.....90% complete, ods n ends to do. Im going to try and go look at it sunday but it's about 2 1/2 hrs away. The pictires of the car show that the original hood is on it, so im hoping its not to bad. But the back half of the car looks in good condition. The interior pics.looked good. The ttops looked good no cracks. And he has everything to finish it. Also said that they (his shop) had went tru the motor and trans. The xfire....ive had several chevy trucks with tbi and have had pretty good luck with them. I know check 4 cracks. I'll check it over good i know bout what to look 4. .....
My car is an 87 bench seat, coloum shift, manuel windows & locks, no tilt no cruise no interment wipers, it has remote trunk, rear defrost, a.c., am/fm, stripe delete, trailor shocks and springs, h/d cooling, alt., oil cooler. Amd no posi !......they were ordered that way to match the price of the caprice.

C3's are my favorite. Sorry for the book.....

#1055285 - 01/13/18 03:07 AM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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I can tell you for a fact that the US Postal Service Postal Inspectors used at least one 84 Monte Carlo SS, I worked on it when I worked at the Garage in Largo, Md. Don't know about anyone else.


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#1055288 - 01/13/18 04:17 AM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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That is interesting, any other unusual features? The FBI T-types have gun compartments and upside down rear RCAs.


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#1055289 - 01/13/18 10:42 AM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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No thats it i belive. And he has also told me about the FBI regals. He contacted me for the fact that he is a gbody collector, and didnt have the weirdo bench, coloum shift, plan jane. Then i sent him a pic.of my rpo sticker from the trunck. 5hats when he emailed back with all the info on the car....even described the holes i have in my trunk floor i thought previous owner mighta had a speaker box screwed down or something....
If i could post a pic. Of my car youd see it needs paint but other than thats its straight, just a couple of lil ding dents and a ruff nose. Interior is in good shape. And it runs damn good, no not sreet outlaws.......I value it at 55-6000....
Ive looked online but havnt found anymore info or pics of SSpatrol cars. I did read that about the hawaii ss's....and fbi buicks.....

#1055290 - 01/13/18 12:14 PM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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Back in the late 1980’s when I lived in CT, the State police were using unmarked Regal Grand Nationals , T Types, Camaros, and Mustang 5.0 cars in different areas. I believe even a few of the cars were displayed in ads and posters by the state police in a anti speeding campaign.

I think some Monte Carlos SS cars were used by some of the fire departments and also some local police. They were not patrol cars but used by higher ups in those localities. There was a weekly car show in my hometown and one of the fire dept cars were on display. The largest local dealer was a Chevy/ Pontiac one and had contracts with the local angencies being the only reason the SS’s ended up there. The Dodge dealer was the original supplier and I guess the fire chief got tired of driving the k cars they had the past 5 years! lol

So from my experience back then it just seemed whatever dealer had the contract with municipalities was how some of the SS’s and other performance cars could have been used for official business.

#1055291 - 01/13/18 02:50 PM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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C3's are going up in value but check that collision damage and repair carefully.
When I was in Hawaii for my honeymoon in 1977, I spoke to a uniformed cop who was driving a Chrysler Cordoba for a patrol car. It was his personal car with a magnetic blue gumball on the roof. I have photo stuffed away somewhere.


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#1055293 - 01/13/18 04:40 PM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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The RPO code would tell the story if any items came from the factory that way. The coolers were most likely added and stripes removed, but if factory the sticker tells the story. If it was used by an agency most likely they or they had a local dealer order it as stripped down as they needed then outfitted for use.


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#1055299 - 01/14/18 12:44 AM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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The rpo sticker is what told the story.....they were ordered this way to match the price of rhe caprice of the same rime. Even told what dealer ordered the car....

#1055300 - 01/14/18 01:19 AM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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I'd still think an MCSS with limited options is more than a fully loaded Caprice but maybe not. Got a picture of the RPO decal?


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#1055301 - 01/14/18 10:08 AM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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Yes i do and would love to post it along with some pics but i cant seem to figure it out.....help

#1055310 - 01/14/18 06:01 PM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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9C1 is the RPO for the police option, I doubt a Monte Carlo could be ordered as a 9C1. The G-Body Malibu could be ordered with it.
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#1055328 - 01/15/18 03:06 AM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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9C1 was the option for the Caprice, B4C for the Camaro, don't know the option code for the Monte Carlo SS.


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#1055334 - 01/15/18 01:20 PM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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Idk if there is one. This car was ordered like this to get it at the same price point as the police caprice. (Per guy with the vette) everything matches up down to the holes in the trunk used for mounting whatever....

But i looked the vette yesterday....it was nice and alot of potential,...jus to much beyond me to fix....

So my serch continues

Any ideas where or how to find documentation on my monte?

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Originally Posted by gashousemonte
Idk if there is one. This car was ordered like this to get it at the same price point as the police caprice. (Per guy with the vette) everything matches up down to the holes in the trunk used for mounting whatever....

But i looked the vette yesterday....it was nice and alot of potential,...jus to much beyond me to fix....

So my serch continues

Any ideas where or how to find documentation on my monte?

GM Heritage Center is the source I used for "documentation" on my car. And to answer 86ttop, GM uses RPO 9C1 on all police package Chevrolet's regardless of model. The Monte Carlo SS already had many of the "heavy duty" components that come with a police package, such as RPO F41. I have never heard of a police package 9C1 MCSS but it doesn't need one since it comes standard with heavy duty options. The MCSS cousin 1982 Malibu could be purchased as a police car and it came with RPO 9C1.
A bit more trivia about that '82 Malibu 9C1, it came standard with a SBC350 in California. This was when the 350 was not available in California due to emissions. Regular customers in California could only purchase 305 Malibu's at that time. Thankfully a federal emission exemption allowed law enforcement agencies in California to order the 350 cu. in 49 state version of the 9C1 Malibu.

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#1055340 - 01/15/18 02:59 PM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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Lots of ways to post pics on here. Having it linked from a photo hosting site like Flickr, or using the site here to your album and linking it.

The RPO sticker will tell most of the story, IMO. If it has any unique codes or not, doesn't mean an agency didn't buy the car and outfit it but besides contacting the agency itself that maybe it came from and if anyone cares/is nice enough or has worked there long enough to remember or share anything, might be worth a shot.


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#1055342 - 01/15/18 03:31 PM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: upflying]  
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Originally Posted by upflying
Originally Posted by gashousemonte
Idk if there is one. This car was ordered like this to get it at the same price point as the police caprice. (Per guy with the vette) everything matches up down to the holes in the trunk used for mounting whatever....

But i looked the vette yesterday....it was nice and alot of potential,...jus to much beyond me to fix....

So my serch continues

Any ideas where or how to find documentation on my monte?

GM Heritage Center is the source I used for "documentation" on my car. And to answer 86ttop, GM uses RPO 9C1 on all police package Chevrolet's regardless of model. The Monte Carlo SS already had many of the "heavy duty" components that come with a police package, such as RPO F41. I have never heard of a police package 9C1 MCSS but it doesn't need one since it comes standard with heavy duty options. The MCSS cousin 1982 Malibu could be purchased as a police car and it came with RPO 9C1.
A bit more trivia about that '82 Malibu 9C1, it came standard with a SBC350 in California. This was when the 350 was not available in California due to emissions. Regular customers in California could only purchase 305 Malibu's at that time. Thankfully a federal emission exemption allowed law enforcement agencies in California to order the 350 cu. in 49 state version of the 9C1 Malibu.

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Over on Gbodyforums, there is a member who has a 9c1, bronze colored Malibu, he nick named the bronze brick. It doesn't have typical F41 springs, it has taller 9c1 springs for curb jumping and it is listed in his RPO code I believe. However, I doubt they could order taller springs in a MCSS.


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Originally Posted by Jeff L
Back in the late 1980’s when I lived in CT, the State police were using unmarked Regal Grand Nationals , T Types, Camaros, and Mustang 5.0 cars in different areas. I believe even a few of the cars were displayed in ads and posters by the state police in a anti speeding campaign.


yup, My buddy and I got pulled over by a Grand National statey back in the late 80s.....


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Originally Posted by Aeroaddict
Originally Posted by Jeff L
Back in the late 1980’s when I lived in CT, the State police were using unmarked Regal Grand Nationals , T Types, Camaros, and Mustang 5.0 cars in different areas. I believe even a few of the cars were displayed in ads and posters by the state police in a anti speeding campaign.


yup, My buddy and I got pulled over by a Grand National statey back in the late 80s.....

From a purely ethical standpoint, it's my opinion traffic enforcement should be done with marked cars. This also eliminates any potential for police impersonators from pulling people over. In California, the law requires police vehicles to be marked (black and white) if their primary intended purpose is to enforce traffic laws.
Police using undercover police cars is fine just as long they aren't enforcing traffic violations. I realize some states use sneaky cars to enforce traffic laws. Back in the day, they were called plain wrapper.


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#1055355 - 01/15/18 08:44 PM Re: Opinions anout the value of an undocumented 87 ss patrolcar [Re: gashousemonte]  
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In this neck of the woods a lot of the cars are distinguishable until they turn the lights in the grille on. And several municipalities use vehicles that have the lettering ghosted on, you can see it until they are right on top of you. Sneaky.
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Originally Posted by mmc427ss
In this neck of the woods a lot of the cars are distinguishable until they turn the lights in the grille on. And several municipalities use vehicles that have the lettering ghosted on, you can see it until they are right on top of you. Sneaky.
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Yea, that's not right but laws, customs, cultures and what citizens and legislators tolerate vary from state to state. As mentioned, the fear is impersonators pulling you over to rob you. If you have an unmarked car trying to pull you over, either call 911 while you are still rolling and confirm the traffic stop or have the car follow you to a busy location like a gas station.


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Here in the east, traffic cops really like to use ambush tactics to pull people over. Mostly just the state police are well marked. The town departments mainly use unmarked or barely marked cars. I even seen ones that are only marked on one side facing away from the road. Thd town cops also like the hidden lights too. Generally when they go after a car, they won't put their lights or siren on until they catch up and are on top of them. Recently they been getting all black SUVs with ghost lettering.


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