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#1054373 - 11/13/17 02:44 AM Winter projects  
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After another year of driving the car over 2000 mile for "pleasure" the thoughts of which Winter projects should be done over the cold months to the car creeps in. What's funny is how a lot of last Winter list is still on this Winter list. The new clutch Santa didn't bring me last Christmas, just underwear, so that not done. Back on the list again.

No body or paint work was done over the past year. But I'm tired of the 30 year old windshield and that has moved it to #1 on the list. To do that is an extensive project that includes the roof of the car. The windshield will be pulled along with the rear glass trim, possibly the side glass too, and some fresh lacquer applied. Don't ask why lacquer.

Managed to get to the drag strip three times, although once the track had no timing so they sent us home. The car ran okay, but the driver was slow and kept it out of the 11's again. Only did one autox this year and that was Oct 29th in the rain at Hershey Park. I took an experienced 70 year old driver to co-drive the car with me. He did real good considering his very short seat time in my car and made the car look good. Me, I was slow again, hopefully at some time I will get that look ahead thing. So for next year the goal again is four trips to the strip, four autox.

After that last autox and seeing what Lance has done to his ride recently revisiting the front suspension geometry will be looked at. Not in the position to do AFX spindles, the big brakes and wheels and tires to go along which that upgrade requires. The tall B spindle swap which was the thing to do 15+ years ago is still on the car. Wilwood calipers, Stoptech 12" 1LE rotors and good pads work very good, no need to upgrade that. The massive bumpsteer problem associated with that spindle was addressed several years ago when a new centerlink was built, reducing bump to a manageable level. Now it's time to look at the Ackerman, another big problem with the B spindle. So that little project has moved onto the table, actually the turnplates, and will be explored over the Winter.

As with most of us our lists of Winter car projects could be long. I find it's best to keep the list short so when only one project gets done it looks like you got something accomplished. A new windshield is the top of the list, old people have enough problem seeing what's in front of them.
Bob

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What is this "winter" you speak of? laugh

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It's good top see the everyone, everything, have arrived at their new home safely.
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#1054385 - 11/13/17 05:08 PM Re: Winter projects [Re: mmc427ss]  
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I've already made a list in my head for the annual winter-to-do-list, that typically half of gets accomplished and many years I barely plan anything and just wait for spring. Last winter was productive, much more than usual for me, a couple items lingered on into the summer and the SS wasn't drive-able until July. Barely any miles put on this year, kind of sad.

My winter list consists of:

LS - swap in a stock EQ radio that was modified with an aux input and gone through, had it done 1.5 years ago. CD player has nice audio but going retro here I guess but need to wire it properly to work with the amp and door speakers (mimic Concert Sound setup looks wise) to not blow anything. Have a 8.5" posi rear out of a 442 I picked up for a nice price this summer, plan to have it rebuilt and 3.42's put in in favor of the 3.73's it came with. Using the SS's old Global West LCA's, will modify them to accept a stock sway bar. The mild 350 doesn't need a 8.5" but couldn't pass on the deal, might as well use it.

SS - Lee steering box, already ordered and should be here any week now. New tires, the current ones are the same tires I purchased in 2002 when first going to 17's eek . Tread is decent yet but 15 years old, probably over due. Address the rear shocks, with the disc brake swap they are raised up after relocation and need either to move the holes lower or get shocks for less travel, on bumpy roads pretty harsh back there now. Relocate some extra gauges from below the radio to a gauge pod that replaces the coin tray in 86-88 consoles, paint that to match. Possibly clean up the location of some sensors and the thermostat housing for looks. Finish adapting Cobalt SS Recaro's to the car, to use if/when I desire. Passenger seat is almost done, so will copy that to the driver side. Stock seats look too nice to go anywhere permanently. And if all of that goes well also connecting the parking brake cables to the rear, they are tucked up and away after the disc swap and while I never really use the e-brake, would like it functional. And the big one, might be more like spring than winter, AFX spindles. Been on the list for awhile, barring something drastic will be done by spring.

Looks good Lance. Some areas put salt down this weekend, must be nice to not worry about that anymore.


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-88'SS 350 CCC QJet - CZF 2004r-7.5" 3.73 Winter Beater/Future Parts Car?
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#1054388 - 11/13/17 07:59 PM Re: Winter projects [Re: mmc427ss]  
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My winter plans usually consist of working as much as possible to pay for the fun I had (parts purchased and events attended) over the summer or plan on having the next year. This winter will be no different.

This was the year the Malibu got long overdue attention, upgraded the interior, re-installed a/c and in general made the car drive/run/look better.

Next year the focus will shift back to the Monte Electric fans, radiator swap, general freshen up. Audio head unit upgrade (who's got a black Friday deal on a Retrosound Newport?). Ride/Drive/Handling upgrade. As 3 of the 4 of us posting in this thread have B-body spindles on a car, and we are all talking about upgrades.


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#1054390 - 11/13/17 08:16 PM Re: Winter projects [Re: mmc427ss]  
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My winter project is to install the QP 9" that's sitting in my garage.


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My winter project is to install the QP 9" that's sitting in my garage.
Anyone need a peg leg, 10 bolt, 7.5? Probably not.

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#1054397 - 11/14/17 01:24 AM Re: Winter projects [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Paul I still have that 78-79 straight 3/4" rear sway bar sitting, you are welcome to it. When I ran the Global West TBC 2 rear LCAs that is the bar I used. Because it is straight, not like the drop in the center of the SS rear bar, it fits neatly under the rear and doesn't hang down. .
Bob

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#1054398 - 11/14/17 01:29 AM Re: Winter projects [Re: SSLance]  
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Originally Posted by SSLance
What is this "winter" you speak of? laugh

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Did you move Lance? that doesnt look like MO



'86 Monte carlo ss-Frame off resto-mod.
Ls2/t56/8.5"
#1054399 - 11/14/17 01:35 AM Re: Winter projects [Re: mmc427ss]  
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My plans are to hopefully get a NOS nose for my car instead of repairing cracks on my current one, maybe a little touch up on the lowers. Also want to do viking coil overs with the umi lower control arm relocation brackets. Maybe finally do the ls1 rear discs.



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Ls2/t56/8.5"
#1054402 - 11/14/17 02:02 AM Re: Winter projects [Re: Onebadbowtie86]  
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1) Sell the old house and upgrade to a bigger one with a large heated garage.

2) Install my new SD performance CNC 305 CC D Port Kaufmann racing heads and 2.0 cam in the 461 disco bird with the ported intake.

3) Start building my new frame for the Monte Carlo SS with the complete coil over Speedtech front end, ATS spindles and all. I even bought a new 212 Miller Mig for this job.

I have a major stock pile of parts and the time to get them bolted on is coming soon!

I almost forgot..... I have to install a set of long tube headers on my sons 1996 SS Camaro and swap out the dash pad quick.


1986 Monte Carlo SS LS3 build almost running. NOT.....LOL
I will rebuild the car and up the bar a bit,Speed tech, frame work and a bigger LSX.
#1054403 - 11/14/17 02:26 AM Re: Winter projects [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Here's the list:
1. Sway bar links (and figure out why mine are chowdered)
2. New Power steering pump, cooler and power steering box.
3. New transmission cooler.
4. New starter.
5. New 3 inch stainless exhaust.
6. hook up electric fan bypass switch
7. wire TCC solenoid to work with the microsquirt ecu.


86 SS 6.0L LQ4, TBSS GEN IV intake, 92mm TB, 30lb injectors, LS3 cam and valvesprings, stainless long tube headers, Microsquirt ECU, Built 200-4R, B&M Megashifter, Torsen LSD, QA1 Lvl 3 Suspension Kit, UMI Front & Rear Braces. Check out my build thread: http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/126188-SSLOW6-0-Build
#1054404 - 11/14/17 03:41 AM Re: Winter projects [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Things on my "Soon"list

1. Lower door weatherstrip

2. 4L60E shift cable mod install (Currently I can't shift lower than D)

3. BMR 1.5" Front lowering springs

4. Steering components replacement (Center Link to Tire rods)

5. Organize and loom the swap wiring



My "Research and Budget For" list

Aftermarket Front Upper control arms (Budget)

Posi Swap (Research)

Tires for 17" wheels (Budget)


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#1054406 - 11/14/17 05:41 AM Re: Winter projects [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Welding on a "mobile storage Unit" for Parts and tools, maybe some custom jack stands that operate via threaded rod, Tons of research, and buy the rest of the parts for bodywork smile

#1054408 - 11/14/17 01:09 PM Re: Winter projects [Re: Onebadbowtie86]  
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Originally Posted by Onebadbowtie86


Did you move Lance? that doesnt look like MO


Yep, relocated to Phoenix,AZ.


Lance
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#1054409 - 11/14/17 01:37 PM Re: Winter projects [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Originally Posted by WB of NOLA
Things on my "Soon"list

1. Lower door weatherstrip

2. 4L60E shift cable mod install (Currently I can't shift lower than D)

3. BMR 1.5" Front lowering springs

4. Steering components replacement (Center Link to Tire rods)

5. Organize and loom the swap wiring



My "Research and Budget For" list

Aftermarket Front Upper control arms (Budget)

Posi Swap (Research)

Tires for 17" wheels (Budget)


Just save for a 9 inch. to get a decent 8.5 or build a 7.5 you're almost halfway there.


86 SS 6.0L LQ4, TBSS GEN IV intake, 92mm TB, 30lb injectors, LS3 cam and valvesprings, stainless long tube headers, Microsquirt ECU, Built 200-4R, B&M Megashifter, Torsen LSD, QA1 Lvl 3 Suspension Kit, UMI Front & Rear Braces. Check out my build thread: http://www.pro-touring.com/threads/126188-SSLOW6-0-Build
#1054411 - 11/14/17 02:44 PM Re: Winter projects [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Just a quick pic of my "winter project"

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But first I have to spend today off loading what's left of our possessions from the ABF trailer to a 26' Penske truck...then unloading it again into our two storage units which are also housing the RV and Barney on a trailer. Then...THEN...we can start to settle into our new city.

Hope to be settled enough buy this weekend to attend the Goodguys finale in Scottsdale. Doubt I'll take the car out for Sunday though...


Lance
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Must be done:
Body Bushings
derust underside of rocker panels
Front shocks and springs - have
Upper Control Arms
Ball Joints
TPS sensor - have
Replace Computer with 87 ECM(have) and bitflipper chip
Fans and Amp power switch(have)
Knock sensor
Oil pressure sensor



my if the budget allows projects:
Vortec heads and intake
new plugs
new cables
Trunk- wood and carpet setup for amps and subs
rear shocks and springs
idiot lights and additional gauges
switch to force an extremely rich mixture so I can spit fire out of my cutouts =)
rebuild a carb and do the q-jet enhancements I've read about.
replace AC box with heater box or chrome chevy logo delete plate
cutty plate- the zip ties are not show worthy


Justin
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350 L05 - Hooker Longtubes - FlowMaster True Dual 2.5" - Electric Cutouts - Electric Fans - Transcooler
#1054416 - 11/14/17 05:39 PM Re: Winter projects [Re: mmc427ss]  
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In my case, I'll be installing the wiring harnesses i ordered from GMachinz! Engine harness + Front Lighting harness.

Other than that, probably gonna dissassemble the carb and investigate a problem i've been havign the past 2 months. The car is running a lot richer than usual, on idle i just barely tap the gas and i get a massive wiff(smell) of fuel from the front smirk

#1054426 - 11/15/17 03:21 AM Re: Winter projects [Re: SSLance]  
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Originally Posted by SSLance
Just a quick pic of my "winter project"

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But first I have to spend today off loading what's left of our possessions from the ABF trailer to a 26' Penske truck...then unloading it again into our two storage units which are also housing the RV and Barney on a trailer. Then...THEN...we can start to settle into our new city.

Hope to be settled enough buy this weekend to attend the Goodguys finale in Scottsdale. Doubt I'll take the car out for Sunday though...



WOW! What a killer house/garage! Good job Lance.



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Bigger brakes all around
Window Sweeps
Replace the AR wheels


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Well it's good to see other kids that are still playing with toys over the Winter. I always feel that the 86 is just a grownup version of what I had in my youth, all be it 50 years ago. The 62 Nova had no brakes, didn't handle very well at all, but sure was quick. We didn't have a NO FEAR tee-shirt, didn't need them, the Converse sneakers would eventually slow you down. Today better brakes, handling, then quicker, then pretty, some call it maturity. Nice to see guys doing brake improvement.

Stopped at the glass shop today, got the info and a quote I need for the windshield replacement. Seems there maybe three manufactures for the glass, looks like Pilkington is the choice. At the least I'll have that installer put the new glass in, probably cut it out myself. The glass itself is cheap, about 150, it's the labor if they do the entire job. Their shop is but a few miles from mine, makes things a little simpler.

More than a year ago a brand new set of Hunter turnplates was purchased for cheap, but they didn't have pointers/degrees to check Ackerman and camber correctly. Hunter pointers and degree scales were bought back then, they since got dusty from sitting. Last night dug out the plates and figured out how to make the mismatched parts on hand be able to check Ackerman. Now waiting for the 1/2"-20x2" flat head Allens to come in at Fastenal. Also made over a year ago.were four plywood floor plates, 4"x12"x4'. When used with the turnplates it allows the car to be rolled on and off the turnplates easily, and the ride height remains constant, and level. It's a poor man rack. Pretty soon should have some Ackerman number to look at. It was 2010 the last time Ackerman was visited, running out of time to wait another 7 years.

So two of my Winter projects are started, lets see if they get done by Spring.

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Mine would be continuing to clean out the pole barn. Between the attached garage and the barn there is 5 large bays, and none of them have room to pull a car into. I cant claim innocence as the monte is torn apart in one. The '58 Edsel is stationary in another, dad bought a guys estate and there is a pile of junk from that in the last bay. That and 20 years of hoarding and racing has filled us up.

Im going to try and get an eBay store going around new years for some of the rarer body and engine parts we have. Facebook might help me with most of that too, as I've been whittling away my extra monte stuff through it, hoping that pile gets smaller before spring.

Got a 97 2wd 1500 that needs some new heads, I told dad all summer I wasnt doing it in the heat so clean that bay out, now Im not doing it in the cold, same story.

Grandmas 05 Mercury Monterey that is super clean has a rust hole in the wheel well for some reason, gotta fix that...... once the bay is clear.

And of course chip away at the Monte


Bob
Dont you have the B spindles? Should end up with more ackerman than a stock set up as the steering arm being longer is spaced a bit further forward from the centerlink.

I was reading a circle track article about ackerman from back in the early 2000's, it talked about how on the (then) new big bar soft spring stuff, the LF was best kept tracking with the RF, or it was just scrubbing speed, they couldnt justify running much ackerman at all because there wasnt a track small or tight enough to need it. Which makes me think there could quite a bit to be gained on an autocross track, but it might hurt on an actual roadcourse.


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#1054460 - 11/17/17 02:51 AM Re: Winter projects [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Yep, B spindles on the car since 1999 when it was the popular, and only swap that netted bigger brakes and improved camber gain at the expensive of bad bumpsteer and less than ideal Ackerman. Over those 18 year period I think I've read, researched the tall spindle deal to death. Many years ago spend several hours on the phone with Doug at Global West, Alan Johnson Chassis, even Marcus, why can't an affordable spindle be produced to have all of the advantages? It wasn't until the AFX spindle came along that was better than the B, but for me, and most, it's not affordable by the time you do the whole necessary package to go along with it. So I'm stuck with it, and still intent on trying to improve the B spindle install.

Back in 07 a modeled steering linkage mockup was made with variable pickup points to see what could be done to improve the B spindle install in a G chassis poor Ackerman. Also at that time the B spindle bumpsteer curve was laser plotted and, yes, it was terrible. A new centerlink was made after playing with numerous new inner tie rod locations. The current modified stock centerlink in the car reduced the bump by estimated 60%, from outrageous to poor, but made it livable. The centerlink swap was done on an alignment rack so I could see the improvement, about .400" less toe change at full droop.

From the mockup of the linkage testing using the G spindle and B spindle measurements showed the G spindle was 1 to 2 degrees pro Ackerman, the B sindle 1 to 2 degrees anti Ackerman. And it varied side to side for each spindle. This I attributed to the all the unequal lengths of the steering components. Typical for a GM rwd 1-2 degrees Pro appears to be normal. Two factors that cause the huge change from pro to anti, the length of the steering arms and their angles. The G angle measures 10 degrees at 6 3/4" , the B 12 degrees at 6 1/4". One is made for 108" wheelbase, the other 116".

I'm read what dirt and asphalt track guys, NASCAR, F1, go carts, even RC cars, think works for them, it varies from one extreme to the other. What bothers me the most is the lack of useful information that says what the real numbers are for tall ball joint installs, different spindles. All you get is "it's much better" , "handles like it's on rail". The B spindle swap has been beat up for 20 years, no hard numbers to show what it really does. I have laser bump graphs done on the right side of the car and know it was ugly. You could hear the front tires squeal when you jack them off the ground as they toed in in droop. The new centerlink fixed a lot of that. You will never get a straight plot of zero bump on a G with the stock configuration of the steering linkage, it will always be a curve, so compromise will be needed.

Having operational turnplates to measure degrees now will allow me to see just what the B Ackerman really is. Making corrections at the steering arms seems to be the plan right. Many will say bending the arms is a NO-NO, some say done correctly on a forged arm it's a simple, safe process. Time will tell.
Bob

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Making progress...

Almost all of interior rough in is done, electrical, HVAC, plumbing, low voltage, security, fire system, all complete. They even got a good start on the Lath this week.

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Should be ready for an options review on 11/27 then they can insulate and start on sheetrock.

Landscaping is on us, after closing. This is what we are starting to plan and work on now that we are settled here. Gotta figure out what we want to do with this courtyard area by the front door...

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Also ran into a guy doing epoxy floors in a neighbor's house today, that happens right after close as well.


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1985 Monte Carlo SS Street Car
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