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#1042989 - 08/31/16 05:46 PM Dash care / protection  
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Hi,

On my 85 SS the dash has finally begun to crack from age, heat & dryness. It's only a few small cracks at this point, but I'm wondering what others have done to care for the dash and slow down the cracking as much as possible. I'm also aware of the dash carpet covers and more rigid dash caps. Any opinions on those?

Thanks everyone!

#1043004 - 09/01/16 01:00 AM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: Andy85SS]  
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Well once it's cracked you really can't fix it, but you can slow down and prevent it from getting worse.

I recommend this stuff (Aerospace 303 Protectant)

I've been using this stuff on all my cars and other toys for the past 15 years and it will most certainly prevent any further UV damage to your dash.

It's not anything like that garbage stuff, Armor All which leaves a haze and milky film.




#1043005 - 09/01/16 01:12 AM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: Andy85SS]  
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Everybody told me never to use Armorall silicone sealer on my dash. I've been using it anyway for 32 years and not a crack in sight.

#1043007 - 09/01/16 01:34 AM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: Andy85SS]  
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Sorry to hear Andy, too bad even for us northerners crack free dashes are getting real hard to find.

I think the negative Armor All rumors have been debunked for awhile, I use it to clean trim typically and have never had any negative results. For the dash I've heard leather conditioner or even vasoline but not sure if vasoline has any negative side affects. I used to have another cleaner but can't remember what brand, I haven't really wiped down my dashes in a long time now that I think about it eek .


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#1043010 - 09/01/16 03:34 AM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: LXXXIV SS]  
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Originally Posted By: LXXXIV SS
Everybody told me never to use Armorall silicone sealer on my dash. I've been using it anyway for 32 years and not a crack in sight.


Same here. Been using it on my dash since day 1 and no cracks. Living in AZ I always used a sun shade plus having a garage has helped preserve it.

#1043013 - 09/01/16 03:57 AM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: PB86SS/87LS]  
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I'm not saying that Armor All doesn't work, I'm saying it's a poor choice because it leaves a milky film like residue that turns interior dash, trim and other components yellow with use over time.

I had a 1996 BMW Z3 roadster that had a light grey upper dash and matching door panel trim that was completely discolored after 5 years because of my using Armor All.

I vowed that I would never use that product it again based on my own experience not from anybody's negative rumors.

I simply want a product that is effective in protecting my vehicles interiors from UV damage, by reducing sun damage and fading, while not leaving a waxy residue that damages the color of my cars interior.

I stumbled on to Aerospace 303 protectant from a fellow car guy that I know. He has a very successful auto detailing shop and a reputation to protect. And this is the only product he uses on the interiors of all his customers cars simply because of the reasons I stated above.

But hey I'm not really here to hawk this product or any other, and was only offering my experience and opinion on the subject matter the original poster was asking.

If people like Armour All it's fine by me.






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#1043014 - 09/01/16 04:22 AM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: Andy85SS]  
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Thanks everyone for your replies. smile

#1043022 - 09/01/16 02:53 PM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: Andy85SS]  
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I have a Dash Cap over my cracked dash.
It's ok but not perfect.
If I do it again, I will send it to Just Dashes for a rebuild.
http://www.justdashes.com/

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#1043071 - 09/02/16 05:50 PM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: upflying]  
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Although it's not cheap, I like the dash rebuilding offered by Just Dashes. Might not use it right now, but very good to know about. Thanks!

Looks like they basically reconstruct a new dash on your existing dash frame, and I saw prices around 1500-2000 for a large dash like a 4th gen has. Ouch.

Originally Posted By: upflying
If I do it again, I will send it to Just Dashes for a rebuild.
http://www.justdashes.com/

#1043075 - 09/02/16 06:48 PM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: Andy85SS]  
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I saw were Dixie just came out with a new repo dash. I'll bet Mike will have them soon. Nor sure if I care for some of the tweaks they may have made to the new dash, 4 speakers, maybe some mods needed to install the radio and vent plate.

http://www.dixierestorationdepot.com/Product/Detail.aspx?h=143&s=DM00853%20%20%20BLACK&d=175
Bob

#1043081 - 09/02/16 10:23 PM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Originally Posted By: mmc427ss
I saw were Dixie just came out with a new repo dash. I'll bet Mike will have them soon. Nor sure if I care for some of the tweaks they may have made to the new dash, 4 speakers, maybe some mods needed to install the radio and vent plate.

http://www.dixierestorationdepot.com/Product/Detail.aspx?h=143&s=DM00853%20%20%20BLACK&d=175
Bob


I was just looking at this a couple nights ago. My take on it is the changes come around due to licensing I would think??? But either way I think it's way over priced. Just Dashes would be my route for that type of investment.


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#1043083 - 09/02/16 10:51 PM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: Andy85SS]  
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I am anxiously awaiting an install report from the first member to install a Dixie repop dash in their car.
That won't be me. .
Reproduction usually means "might not fit without modification".

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#1043104 - 09/03/16 08:05 PM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: Andy85SS]  
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Also at the bottom of the Dixie ad is says "made to order".
Shipping without damage has always been a problem with dashes. I remember Crazy Bill saying he shipped a used dash UPS, it was delivered with dual tire track across the shipping box. Extreme case of mishandling I guess.
Bob

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Originally Posted By: mmc427ss
Also at the bottom of the Dixie ad is says "made to order".
Shipping without damage has always been a problem with dashes. I remember Crazy Bill saying he shipped a used dash UPS, it was delivered with dual tire track across the shipping box. Extreme case of mishandling I guess.
Bob


I have bought 3 OER 1970 - 1975 Firebird dash pads and each one arrived perfect. The packaging fit the dash completely around it which fit the box perfect. But that's OER, aftermarket stuff might not be shipped so well??


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#1043151 - 09/04/16 09:37 PM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: mmc427ss]  
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Originally Posted By: mmc427ss
Also at the bottom of the Dixie ad is says "made to order".
Shipping without damage has always been a problem with dashes. I remember Crazy Bill saying he shipped a used dash UPS, it was delivered with dual tire track across the shipping box. Extreme case of mishandling I guess.
Bob

I had bad luck trying to buy used dashes. One was damaged and undeliverable by UPS. The other was a MCSS member who took my money and disappeared.


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#1047677 - 01/31/17 06:05 AM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: Andy85SS]  
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Has anyone tried 'sunscreen' on their vinyl interior surfaces. It has UV Blocker and keeps the skin soft. If it's not harmful for skin why should it not work on dashes tops or vinyl roofs?

#1048672 - 03/05/17 05:07 PM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: Andy85SS]  
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I think keeping a cover on the dash is the only thing that helps the pad. The hotter the vinyl skin gets the more PVC gas is emitted from the vinyl. Poly vinyl chloride gas is what clings to the inside of the windshield appearing to be an oily coating. You see it in older cars on warm days but not really in cooler weather. Slowing down the outgassing should allow the vinyl to live longer I believe. The difference in the surface temp of the vinyl in direct sun vs the vinyl with a mat over it may be 15 or 20 degrees. Coatings like armorall, etc may help but I'm not sure to what extent. UV rays are a factor but I think that factor may be more towards color fading.

#1049241 - 03/26/17 04:10 PM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: Andy85SS]  
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How about sunscreen product for people...I mean if it protects skin from UV rays it should protect dash material??

EDIT: asked question previously

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#1049247 - 03/26/17 09:16 PM Re: Dash care / protection [Re: Andy85SS]  
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Two types of UV sunscreens;
Physical (small particles of zinc oxide or titanium dioxide which block or scatter UV; zinc oxides do the best job, blocking UVA and UVB)
Chemical (synthetic oil or water soluble chemicals which absorbs UV)
The newer nano-scale oxides are less visible to the naked eye and don't leave a white residue. Probably your best bet - try a patch and see if it builds up or attracts dirt. These block the UV but they don't improve the plastic properties or replace the lubrication. If worse comes to worse you will just need to clean it off.

Armor All, and other surface treatment products, were reputed (advertised?) to contain plasticizers to soften and lubricate surfaces. Emphasis likely on immediate improvement to appearance over long term protection. Homemade version use baby oil, Dawn detergent and water. The urban legend was that it solubilized the plasticizers in the plastic and helped them migrate to the surface where they were lost. Some said you had to keep applying once started. We typically blamed cracked plastic and permanently fogged windshields on the use of these aftermarket treatments - may or may not be correct as I don't know of anyone who did an A-B test. I do know folks who used to make vinyl dash pads for all the majors - now moved to ABS - it was a problem from day one.

Sooner or later it will die. I kept my car mostly garaged and the dash was fine at 55K miles but developed two large splits quickly when I put in the new engine with lots of "vibration"... hahaha. wish there was a cheaper option than Just Dashes....


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