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#1025887 - 06/17/15 10:02 PM Heater Project ...  
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I got started on my heater project today.
I bought one of these kits from Vintage Air;
http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/vta-506101/overview/
And I bought a delete plate and cowl panel from Mike's Montes;


I got the old heater/AC box and all the parts that go with it off.
I got the holes drilled for the mounting bolts and the heater nipples;

Cleaned and painted around the firewall where the plate goes,and generally got a good idea of what I will be doing to mount the new controls.
Some of the pictures I took today didn't turn out very good,so I will take more tomorrow.
My buddy Mark thinks we should be able to take the knobs & controls out of the pod they come in and mount them in a piece of aluminum and mount it in the stock location.
Guy


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#1025892 - 06/17/15 11:57 PM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: GuysMonteSS]  
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Cool! I've been thinking about these for a long time. Please take pics outlining how you decide to tie into the vents. I've seen some where people sandwich the block off plate between the motor and heater section of the unit when space is limiting like on a factory five cobra.


-Mike

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#1025895 - 06/18/15 01:14 AM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: GuysMonteSS]  
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Guy, Thanks for taking this on. I need to do the same thing to gain some real estate in the engine compartment. I'll be watching this and it looks great already,
Ben

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This should really make for extra room in the engine compartment,as well as being a whole lot lighter,and hopefully a better working heater.
To access 2 of the bolts that hold the original heater to the firewall I found it easiest to remove the inner fender.
There is one bolt inside under the dash that needs to be removed.
The easiest way to get at it is to remove the heater controls,then I used a long 1/4 inch drive extension and ratchet and I think it was a 7 mm socket.
Guy


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#1025925 - 06/18/15 05:24 PM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: GuysMonteSS]  
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Originally Posted By: GuysMonteSS
This should really make for extra room in the engine compartment,as well as being a whole lot lighter,and hopefully a better working heater.
To access 2 of the bolts that hold the original heater to the firewall I found it easiest to remove the inner fender.
There is one bolt inside under the dash that needs to be removed.
The easiest way to get at it is to remove the heater controls,then I used a long 1/4 inch drive extension and ratchet and I think it was a 7 mm socket.
Guy


Hi Guy,

I'm confused already.... lol. Didn't you have to take the dash off to remove the Heater/AC suitcase from the car?

#1025934 - 06/18/15 08:54 PM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: LXXXIV SS]  
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Originally Posted By: LXXXIV SS

Hi Guy,

I'm confused already.... lol. Didn't you have to take the dash off to remove the Heater/AC suitcase from the car?


No I didn't take the dash off to remove the suitcase.
Guy


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#1025937 - 06/18/15 10:04 PM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: GuysMonteSS]  
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I didn't make a whole lot of progress today.
There was a crack in the firewall where the accelerator pedal attaches,here is a picture;

I made 2 patch panels,one for the inside and one for the outside;

My buddy was away,so I used his MIG welder,although I'm not very good.I welded the crack,then put the patches and the pedal assy in place and plug welded the outer patch,then added a couple of bolts in the corners;

I did get the heater mounted on the delete panel and found a grommet to run the wire through for the hot water valve;

I put a nut on the inside of the panel and mounted the heater on top of that.This will make it easier to remove if the need ever arises,and adds a bit of room for the nipples;

Tomorrow's project is to make something to mount the hoses to for the defroster.I have an idea rolling around in my head,we will see what that brings...
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#1025948 - 06/19/15 12:51 AM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: GuysMonteSS]  
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Very cool project! I need to do this!! I want to take my Monte on the hot rod power tour next year...this would be the ticket!


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#1025949 - 06/19/15 01:08 AM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: GuysMonteSS]  
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Geez, slammin that right foot down a little hard huh? smile


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#1025960 - 06/19/15 09:31 AM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: ls1_monte]  
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Originally Posted By: ls1_monte
Geez, slammin that right foot down a little hard huh? smile


LOL !!!
Guy


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#1025988 - 06/19/15 09:23 PM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: GuysMonteSS]  
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Got more done today.
I found a way to duct the hoses to the defrost vent.First I made a template from plastic,then I made my panel from a piece of tin.It sits in the plastic that goes to the defrost vents,and the bottom of it is up against the flap that goes to either the floor or the vents.When this flap is in the "default" position the defrost is "on".A couple of small sheet metal screws attach it to the plastic.I made 2 2 inch holes for the hoses that come from the Vintage Air heater.I squezzed some foam in between the panel and the plastic,so the whole thing is sealed to the plastic box.
Its kind of an awkward spot to work,took me at least an hour just to get the screws in.
I took a couple of pictures;





Guy


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#1026013 - 06/20/15 05:52 AM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: GuysMonteSS]  
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Very nice!

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I pretty much have this project finished,at least for now.
I made a panel out of aluminum to mount the heater controls to;


Its not 100 % perfect,but it will do for now.
I drilled the holes too far to the right and the knobs are inset a bit to much but I do have an idea how to fix that but it will have to wait for now.
The heater unit itself is tucked up nicely under the dash and behind the glovebox;

Guy


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#1026088 - 06/21/15 08:16 PM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: GuysMonteSS]  
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All that I have left to do now is hook up 2 ground wires and the power wire.
Guy


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#1026134 - 06/22/15 05:21 PM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: GuysMonteSS]  
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How does it select what vents it comes out?


-Mike

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Fastest time to date: 13.671 @ 103.79
Best r/t: 0.007 I got lucky smile

Killed a few cones too

#1026139 - 06/22/15 08:51 PM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: GuysMonteSS]  
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Mike,it puts out through the defrost and a floor vent that is part of the heater unit.
Its controlled by the mode control,floor,defrost or both.
Mostly I wanted it for defrost.
Guy


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Originally Posted By: GuysMonteSS
Mike,it puts out through the defrost and a floor vent that is part of the heater unit.
Its controlled by the mode control,floor,defrost or both.
Mostly I wanted it for defrost.
Guy


I'm still confused lol. There are 2 ports on the rear of the unit to connect the flex lines. I assume 1 is tied into the stock defrost vents and the other to the stock floor system. So is there a door built into the unit that blocks either of the flex line ports?

Sorry for junking up your thread with questions but I'm super excited to this done because I have been wanting to do this for a long time but didn't want to tread in uncharted waters with my lack of shop space/time. Seeing you do it makes me feel better about doing it myself.


-Mike

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Fastest time to date: 13.671 @ 103.79
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Killed a few cones too

#1026143 - 06/22/15 10:44 PM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: GuysMonteSS]  
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Mike,the 2 ports both go to the defrost and there is a flap on the bottom of the heater that opens when you select the floor mode and the defrost closes,or you can have both open.
Guy


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Thanks, Guy. I wasn't aware of the bottom flap. Makes perfect sense now. Definitely going to do this project in the future. Thanks for the help smile


-Mike

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#1026145 - 06/22/15 11:11 PM Re: Heater Project ... [Re: GuysMonteSS]  
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You're welcome.
I guess I should have taken a picture of the unit before I installed it but I didn't think about it.
If it works as good as I hope it does I will be pleased.
Wont be much longer now,just got the engine dropped in today and I hope to have everything hooked up and running this week.
Guy


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Other than hooking up the power and ground,it looks like my heater is done.
At first I wasn't going to use the electric servo heater valve,but as my buddy pointed out,if I didn't use it there would be hot water circulating through the heater all the time.
So we looked it over and came up with a plan.I made a bracket out of stainless,bolted it to the delete panel,then drilled 4 small holes and screwed the servo valve to the bracket.
Now my hoses are hooked up,
Here are pictures;



Guy


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I finally got the Monte fired up today and I am happy to report that the new heater works as good as I was expecting.
It blows more air on low than the stock one did on high.
It was a painstaking job but well worth the effort.
Guy


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Good morning,just thought I would give everyone an update on my heater project.
The heat/defrost works great and it blows out lots of hot air.
But,I have discovered something that I never thought of.
When using it for any amount of time,maybe ten minutes or so,the windshield/windows will fog up.
This is because it is recirculating inside air.
I emailed Vintage Air and they were kind enough to reply,and they said that these units were designed for Jeeps,Streetrods and roadsters that are either topless or not sealed up very tight.
Introducing outside air is the only option to fix this issue.
So I just crack the passenger window open a tiny bit.
It's not perfect but still works better than the factory one did.
Guy


GuysMonteSS '86 SS,513 BBC,AFR Heads,UDHarold/Bullet Custom Solid Roller Cam,706 lift,255/263 @ .050,Jesel Shaft Rockers,Balanced & Blueprinted,Doug Nash 4+1 5 Speed,Hurst In-Line Shifter,Ford 9 Inch Rear,SC&C Street Comp Stage 2+ Front End Kit...
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Also,I notice that I have been on here for just a bit over ten years.
I have learnt tons of G Body info,and I hope that I have shared some of what I have learnt as well.
My Monte is a completely different car than when I first bought it thanks in great part to MCSS.com !!!
Guy

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Originally Posted By: GuysMonteSS
This is because it is recirculating inside air.


This is good to know, I have thought about using their stuff on other projects. I remember working on a Vette and maybe a 69 Buick that had a knob that was a fresh air duct.

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