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#958363 - 01/13/13 02:40 AM feeling bummed about new aero coupe  
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Last week, I bought an 87 SS Aero from a fellow disabled veteran. It has 87k miles, a 350, and a new Flowmaster brand dual exhaust. It was 25 degrees and windy when I was looking at it. It started right up and drove just fine. It rumbled and the hook was set. I knew the drivers door and rear quarter would need repairs, from a small accident. He said the floors are solid and passed inspection last year. I reached inside the wheel wells and they weren't rusty, so I trusted him.

We've had rain on and off every day since I bought it. Today was unseasonable at 55 degrees, so I went out and started pulling the interior. WET!!! Everything was wet! The headliner was soaked, so I yanked it down and the roof metal was covered in water drops! The carpets were wet, the seats were wet, so I proceeded to pull out the front and rear seats and trim to get the carpet out.

Well, long story short, the driver's floor was like a rusty window screen. I pushed lightly and it fell off. By the time I finished, I had a hole almost a foot long and 8-10 inches wide. I am so pissed! I have major plans for this car and already spent $600 buying parts to make it nicer. I am going to spend money to take it to a garage and put it on a lift, which is what I should've done first, but I just wanted that Aero coupe. Someone on here has a full pan for an El Camino. I s that really the same?

#958364 - 01/13/13 02:43 AM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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#958372 - 01/13/13 03:04 AM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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It's too late now, but you should have purchased the one that Jeff is selling(mannblk here on the board)


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#958373 - 01/13/13 03:11 AM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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You have to stop the water first and foremost, if it's gonna be sitting outside. T-tops?


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#958382 - 01/13/13 04:03 AM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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No t-tops. I noticed peeling clear gasket silicone rtv along the top edge of the windshield and rear window moldings. I just don't understand the underside of the roof panel and headliner, unless it wicked from the window areas. No roof paint issues. Maybe there's rust under the window moldings?

#958391 - 01/13/13 06:46 AM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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Water drops on the ceiling sound like your just getting alot of moisture in the car (such as the floor) and its evaporating into the higher parts. Can't really see how water would "leak" onto the roof on a solid roof car



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#958397 - 01/13/13 01:17 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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Have you asked the seller about giving you some of the $$$ back or at least indicated to him that a court of law will help decide the issue of selling a misrepresented car?
You always expect any number of things to be wrong on any used car, but from you describe, this was excessive. Unless you paid very little for the car I would certainly not 'eat' this bad transaction. A non-original Aerocoupe with serious rust issues is worth only a few thousand dollars.


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#958400 - 01/13/13 02:52 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: NC87AERO]  
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If there really was a way a person could go after a used car seller and make them 'pay' for their lack of honesty the economy would have collapsed a long time ago. People have been ripping other people off since the beginning of car building by selling misrepresented cars/trucks/etc to others. Look at all the used car lots that have nothing but "driven by a little old lady" cars that somehow end up with cushed beer cans and hypodermic needles under the rear seat.

Dishonesty is a sales pitch. I think everyone who has bought a used car before can confirm this.


Sorry to the OP. Hopefully you didn't pay too much for the car and/or can make something work out for you.

#958404 - 01/13/13 03:22 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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I negotiated down to $1400 from $2000 asking, mostly due to the driver's door and rear 1/4, along with the fact that the inspection had long expired (I drove past this car for the past 6 months hoping it would go up for sale). I tried calling/leaving messages, but no response and the place where it sat at doesn't answer the door (they never did - I tried contacting them about the car various times over the last 6 months).

I feel like I paid very little for the car (considering it has brand new Hooker brand headers and complete Flowmaster brand exhaust) and the "tail light warranty" would probably apply.

There's a floor pan in our classifieds here saying it's an El Camino pan. Can someone tell me if they are the same?

#958405 - 01/13/13 03:33 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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Sixtoes, the more I thought about your answer, the more I believe that is the problem. There were literally large drops every square inch of the entire roof, just hanging there without any "runs". To me, that means it likely condensed air moisture on the cold metal (like a sweating cold water pipe).

Yes, SSLance, I am going to try to fix the water issue. I have a two car garage, but I also have two other cars that I value (and have value) that can't sit outside. I hate to get a car cover, but for the meantime, I might have to. I am working with my township to let me put a single car garage out back (oh, they are lovely people to deal with).

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#958407 - 01/13/13 04:07 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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$1400 is probably a good price for what you got, especially if all you need to do is body work. A solid car would be about $4K more, so as you are mechanically inclined this may be cheaper but longer. Keep us posted on what you find with the source of water.

#958409 - 01/13/13 04:49 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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The source of the leak is probably the usual problem area, base of the windshield near the HVAC box.
I agree, $1400 is decent for a fixer upper Aero.


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#958414 - 01/13/13 05:06 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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The rear window is probably leaking up by the roof line which is typical for aerocoupes.


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#958429 - 01/13/13 08:30 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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I agree that the issues front and rear are combining to create this mess.

Yes, I have frame-off restored a 64 Galaxie before, but it had minimal rust. Back in 1985, I cut out the floors and trunk on a 1969 Mach I and replaced them, but I swore I would never buy a rust bucket again.

Oh well. Tomorrow I will call my buddy to see when I can get it on his lift. Decision will be made then.


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#958435 - 01/13/13 09:34 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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Jeff get a portable tent garage it'better than a car cover and you can actually work inside it. I have a 10x20 got it at Harbor Freight for $200.00 I ran in a power cord from garage and hung some 4' shop lights. Works for me as a second garage will also work for paint spray area. Consider it. Good luck with the aero

#958438 - 01/13/13 10:05 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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Holes in the floor will cause moister on the roof. My Jeep does this. I have a one foot by one foot square hole under each seat and it has no headliner. It gets a little moister on the roof every time it rains and more when it's cold outside.


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#958452 - 01/14/13 12:28 AM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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The elco pan is the same upto the upper rear footwell, right under the edge of the rear seat. Did the same to my aero last winter.


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#958453 - 01/14/13 12:59 AM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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Originally Posted By: jeffmerk
I negotiated down to $1400 from $2000 asking...


You only paid $1400??? You did not get taken in the least. If you feel like the work needed to bring it back is beyond your willingness or ability to perform it, then list it for sale for $2000. You'll get every penny you have invested in it, plus all the extra parts ($600) you bought for it so far.

#958456 - 01/14/13 01:44 AM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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Well, I want to look at it on the lift, then I'll make my decision. I kind-of had my heart set on this car. I drove past it a lot as it sat in that backyard for the last 6 months..

I pulled all of the wet stuff out (seats and carpet) and it's too hard to tell. I really want to see the chassis mount areas. That will likely be the pass/fail for me.

Glad to hear the value of this deal is good though.

#958485 - 01/14/13 01:03 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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Yeah, $1400 is a steal if that's all that's wrong with it. You might have rusted out body mount pockets too though, that's what's hard to replace because the body and frame have to come apart. Floor pans are easy for the most part.

The headliner could absolutely wick up water from the windshield and rear window. I just had a water heater spring a leak in my house and the floor in the hallway on the other side of the wall had a wet spot. The water soaked the insulation under the house (crawlspace) and then the carpet wicked it up through a joint in the subfloor. Osmosis does crazy things.

#958493 - 01/14/13 02:36 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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Your investment is not at all bad - your rear window and seal are worth a minimum of half of what you paid for the car, and some sell for much more...
Stay dry!

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#958527 - 01/14/13 11:03 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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Well, my garage can't get me in until Thursday after work. I bolted the driver's seat back in so I could drive it (only about 50 yards from my house). I figured that I might as well take out the rear seatbelts, etc., so I gathered my tools and grabbed the mount closest to the wheel well. Well, it came off in my hand. The sucker was so rusted that it pulled everything out. I can now see the ground, the tire, the frame and the fuel lines from the interior.

Now I'm worried. What's the consensus here; if the body mount areas are rusted out, should I part it out or sell it as a project?


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#958538 - 01/15/13 12:04 AM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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If this is a factory Aerocoupe, I would say restore it but you better find a rust free donor car for the floor and get that installed before anything else. If its a clone, I say part it out, cut your losses while relatively small and find a better one.


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#958547 - 01/15/13 02:01 AM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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It's a real factory Aero car. It probably deserves a restoration, I'm just not sure I am the one to do it.

I wasn't planning on a frame-off restoration, just bodywork and a paint upgrade, interior makeover, the right stance, 17" rims, and power upgrades as I go along.

This is a huge dilemma for me.

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#958580 - 01/15/13 01:12 PM Re: feeling bummed about new aero coupe [Re: jeffmerk]  
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Originally Posted By: jeffmerk
Well, my garage can't get me in until Thursday after work. I bolted the driver's seat back in so I could drive it (only about 50 yards from my house). I figured that I might as well take out the rear seatbelts, etc., so I gathered my tools and grabbed the mount closest to the wheel well. Well, it came off in my hand. The sucker was so rusted that it pulled everything out. I can now see the ground, the tire, the frame and the fuel lines from the interior.

Now I'm worried. What's the consensus here; if the body mount areas are rusted out, should I part it out or sell it as a project?



IMO, part it out. Too much $$$ required to make it right. We are talking thousands of dollars unless you can do everything yourself. I'm glad to hear you didn't pay too much for it. You will find a nice one that won't require so much money and effort.


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