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#837295 - 11/18/10 03:52 AM Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid  
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Well, long story short, I've decided to give the 305 a wake up call. My goal is to get it somewhere around 260-270 hp. Modest but a vast improvement.

Right now, the car is stock, except for the TES Headers and 2 1/2" exhaust through Flowmaster Super 40s.

Some will argue that this is a complete waste of time, effort and money. That's ok. I'm looking at this as a learning experience and will use my learns and burns to help me ultimately put a 383 in sometime in the not too distant future.

I know some of you have posted questions on waking up the 305 and there are several good build threads here on the site. I'm hoping this blog serves several purposes: 1) To keep me motivated to get the job done, 2) To help those like me who aren't very experienced or knowledgable in this area have the courage to take on a similar project, and 3) so those that could do this with their eyes closed can give me some pointers along the way!! smile

So here we go... comments/suggestions welcome and much appreciated. Thanks for looking guys!

11/06/2010 - First a quick video I shot showing how it currently looks and what the plans are: ( I know the video is corny... you can't imagine how awkward it is to record yourself...this was like my 8th take... lol.)



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L69 315 H.O., Lunati 60101 cam, Edelbrock TES, Flowmaster 40s, 2 1/2" exhaust; Frame-off in 2015, ProTouring theme.
Old L69 Rebuild Blog: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=837295#Post837295


#837296 - 11/18/10 04:02 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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Parts List: (parts acquired so far)

Cloyes True Roller Timing Set P/N 9-1100 $32.95
Pioneer Z28 Valve Springs P/N 810010 $90.56
Lunati Voodoo Cam/Lifters P/N 60101LK $145.00
Edelbrock Performer Intake P/N 3701 $136.00
Accel Coil P/N 140003 $39.00
Accel Ignition Module P/N 35363 $49.95
Accel Header Shorty Plugs P/N 576S $15.00

Still need to get all the gaskets, rotor and cap, wires, etc. I got pretty good deals on the intake and cam kit, but spent too much on the springs...oh well, live and learn.

I'm thinking of having the AIR tubes cut off and welded on my TES headers while I have them out. Getting to anything is a PITA with them.



Last edited by BlueBoy84; 11/18/10 04:04 AM.

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Old L69 Rebuild Blog: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=837295#Post837295


#837299 - 11/18/10 04:19 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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11/07/2010 -

Started removing things this evening. I got the radiator, condenser, brackets, alternator and water pump removed. Lots of room in there now!!





I couldn't budge the crank pulley bolts to get at the balancer. Is there a trick here? or are air tools a necessity here?


Last edited by BlueBoy84; 11/18/10 04:23 AM.

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Old L69 Rebuild Blog: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=837295#Post837295


#837303 - 11/18/10 04:29 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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11/17/2010 -
Tonight I got the carb, distributor, intake, rockers, pushrods and lifters out. Things looked really clean in there!!!













The intake is in good shape, just needs a cleaning. I'll probably sell it later.




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Old L69 Rebuild Blog: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=837295#Post837295


#837305 - 11/18/10 04:32 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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Forgot to mention...did a compression check before I started to remove parts (after dropping the headers since they were in the way)... seems to be ok. Let me know what you think...

Cyl 1
170 dry, 185 wet

Cyl 3
168 dry, 175 wet

Cyl 5
173 dry, 185 wet

Cyl 7
170 dry, 182 wet

Cyl 2
170 dry, 180 wet

Cyl 4
168 dry, 178 wet

Cyl 6
177 dry, 190 wet (a little higher than others, ok?)

Cyl 8
168 dry, 180 wet


Thaks for looking!


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Old L69 Rebuild Blog: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=837295#Post837295


#837307 - 11/18/10 04:37 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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Looks like I might get a descent couple of days this weekend weather-wise. I may get some painting done in the bay while there is some room to work. Suggestions on a color for the engine block? Chevy orange? or keep it black? Other colors?

I'll probably go with black valve covers with the red CHEVROLET.



Thanks for looking!

Last edited by BlueBoy84; 11/18/10 11:58 AM.

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L69 315 H.O., Lunati 60101 cam, Edelbrock TES, Flowmaster 40s, 2 1/2" exhaust; Frame-off in 2015, ProTouring theme.
Old L69 Rebuild Blog: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=837295#Post837295


#837308 - 11/18/10 04:47 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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My personal opinion - keep it a sleeper, and keep the stock black engine block. smile Good luck with the project!!


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#837309 - 11/18/10 04:55 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: TPI Monte SS]  
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I agree, keep it black. You chose a good cam for that motor, had one in my 305 & it woke it up quite a bit.
I'm curious why your car has two vacuum balls, one on the a/c case & one on the drivers inner fender? Isn't it usually one or the other?

Have fun!

#837339 - 11/18/10 10:43 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: Monte_ExpreSS]  
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I'll 3rd the black. Looks good Rodger.


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#837341 - 11/18/10 12:00 PM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: FrankOC]  
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Thx fellas! Not sure about the vac ball Monte_ExpreSS...been like that since I've had the car.


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Old L69 Rebuild Blog: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=837295#Post837295


#837348 - 11/18/10 12:56 PM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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Wow, the inside of that engine is clean. How many miles on it? Looks like it's been well taken care of.

I vote for a black engine block as well.


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#837353 - 11/18/10 01:25 PM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: SSLance]  
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102K on the clock (90K when I bought it a few years back)


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Old L69 Rebuild Blog: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=837295#Post837295


#837437 - 11/18/10 11:02 PM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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Originally Posted By: BlueBoy84
Parts List: (parts acquired so far)

Cloyes True Roller Timing Set P/N 9-1100 $32.95
Pioneer Z28 Valve Springs P/N 810010 $90.56
Lunati Voodoo Cam/Lifters P/N 60101LK $145.00
Edelbrock Performer Intake P/N 3701 $136.00
Accel Coil P/N 140003 $39.00
Accel Ignition Module P/N 35363 $49.95
Accel Header Shorty Plugs P/N 576S $15.00

Still need to get all the gaskets, rotor and cap, wires, etc. I got pretty good deals on the intake and cam kit, but spent too much on the springs...oh well, live and learn.

I'm thinking of having the AIR tubes cut off and welded on my TES headers while I have them out. Getting to anything is a PITA with them.




Cool, very cool.
The only thing different I plan on doing before the end of winter is a different cam and head work.
Comp 12-230-3 I believe off the top of my head, possibly a 12-256-4 for a stronger low end.
Heads will get redone using Stainless Steel under cut stems, 5 angle grind, 30 degree undercut on the valves also to aid low and middle ranges since its geared for lower lift.
All ready cut off the tubes and welded them shut.
2 years ago we did the rest of the list you have minus the cam and heads and it worked out very well.
I'm hoping it makes for a great stump puller since this is street driven and won't see a track or over 5500 much if at all.
Good luck, we'll be watching the outcome.

#837491 - 11/19/10 03:35 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: NY87SS]  
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Yea. I'm a little stuck until I can borrow or buy an impact wrench to get the crank pulley off. I'm still debating on whether or not to remove the heads and replace the gasket while I have everything apart. I'd hate to have to pull it apart again for a head gasket when I'm right there now.

Picked some paint up this evening. It's supposed to be in the 60's here on Sat/Sun. With some added heat in my garage, I may be able to get some engine bay painting out of the way.



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Old L69 Rebuild Blog: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=837295#Post837295


#837563 - 11/19/10 12:04 PM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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I never have had to have to use a impact to get the center bolt off.
Usually just a hard whack on a breaker bar/ratchet was all thats needed to get it loose.
They also have hammer hit impact tools like this
http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/000723.php
Don't know how much room you have to get a hammer in, but I have one at work that I use various ends from screw driver tips, allen key ends etc to get loose stubborn rusted, grinder grit loaded bolts off.
Alot of places including sears has them fairly cheap, $20 range.

#837576 - 11/19/10 02:01 PM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: NY87SS]  
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Thanks for the link... I haven't even tried the center bolts.. I was working on the 3 crank pullet bolts.


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Old L69 Rebuild Blog: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=837295#Post837295


#837704 - 11/20/10 03:54 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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Wow, they are stubborn huh. I wonder if they were locktited real good. I know I do that to mine. I would just take a long breaker bar and they should break loose this way. Might want to put a brace in the flywheel to keep the motor from turining since it doesn't have any plugs or anything on it to keep the compression on the motor. I would also say keep the block black and paint the accessories different colors. This is how I did my block. Here is a pic of it black.




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#837739 - 11/20/10 01:21 PM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! BlueBoy84's 305 Rebuid [Re: 406monte]  
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I would either keep the block black or color match it to the car. Just my opinion for what it is worth.

#837864 - 11/21/10 01:45 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! Updated 11-20-10 [Re: cwest01]  
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More updates 11/21/10:

Got a little work in this afternoon.. Finally broke the crankshaft pulley bolts free and got the timing cover, chain and cam out. Dummy alert - - - I broke two socket extensions off before I had the sense to use a deep socket instead. I used a large pipe over the ratchet as a breaker bar.





Is this the original timing chain? I was expecting a single chain. It and the cam look like new. Is there a way to tell if it's actually the L69 cam?




Should the chain have this much play? (click for video)




It's going to be 68 tomorrow. Not ideal painting conditions but for Nov 21st, I'll call it good. Gonna degrease the block and the firewall and freshen it up. Black it is.

If I have time, I may try to sand and paint the brackets and pulleys. How does the steering pump pulley come apart?


Last edited by BlueBoy84; 11/21/10 02:05 AM.

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#837909 - 11/21/10 04:31 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! Updated 11-20-10 [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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That much play in the timing chain is very common in high mileage motors. You have to have a puller made for pulling power steering pump pulleys to get it off. The same tool will also work as an installer. Autozone sells them for around $28 to $30.



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Good Progress so far.
My input:
Black is the way to go.
Change the head gaskets.
Skip the shorty plugs, they are junk.


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#837925 - 11/21/10 06:43 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! Updated 11-20-10 [Re: MC87SS]  
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I just put a brand new timing chain set in my 350 vortec engine and there is the same amount of play.

#837935 - 11/21/10 01:21 PM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! Updated 11-20-10 [Re: Slackerzinc]  
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Thanks everyone for the inpout! I'm going to pull the heads this weekend, clean them up a bit and install the stem seals.

Last edited by BlueBoy84; 11/24/10 03:51 PM.

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#838754 - 11/25/10 08:32 PM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! Updated 11-20-10 [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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Well, the Mrs. gave me my Xmas present early (air compressor) so I borrowed an impact wrench and started removing the bolts from the heads.

I'm running into a couple of places where I can't get the wrench in there very well... the last bolt towards the firewall on the drivers side, and the last few on the passenger side. I guess I could just remove the heater box and master cylinder, but I'd rather leave them on. I only have a 3" extension bar. Would a universal joint give me enough off-center room to get them out? Anyone done this with the engine in the car?


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Old L69 Rebuild Blog: http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=837295#Post837295


#838803 - 11/26/10 01:52 AM Re: Project Wakeup Call!! Updated 11-20-10 [Re: BlueBoy84]  
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Do you have a 1/2" breaker bar? Gotta believe the bolts can be removed that way without an impact.

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