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#435876 - 05/03/07 11:48 AM Where can I find these fuel fittings?  
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Where can I find saginaw (I think that's what they're called...whatever the stock GM ones are) style fuel fittings?

This something a parts store would carry? I need a bunch of 3/8 and 5/16 male/female connectors, and the AN fittings are a little pricey.


I'd need to buy a double-flaring tool too, right?

Something like this?:

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.d...UseBVCookie=Yes


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Or would it be cheaper to get the correct flaring tool for AN fittings, and just buy those? Do they even work with steel lines?


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#435889 - 05/03/07 12:43 PM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: SS Ninja]  
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If you find a store that carries Dorman parts(ussually autozone or most mom and pop stores) they sell a fuel line repair kit which has the correct style flares and fittings.

That flaring tool will not make the correct flares.

Randy


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#435891 - 05/03/07 12:47 PM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: ss4ever]  
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So which tool would? Happen to have a link? ;\)

Something more like this:

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.d...=TOOL&ihtoken=1

or like this:

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.d...ecemldffidfjg.0


...I guess I'm not really sure as to the difference, and why the first one wouldn't work.


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#435919 - 05/03/07 03:07 PM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: SS Ninja]  
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ss, the double flare tool will not work. The saginaw fitting has an o-ring. you need a special tool like a mastercool hydraulic flare kit. they are expensive @300-400 $$. the tool kit has various dies that can do single and double flares, the gm fuel line flares ,ford fuel line flares and iso bubble flares depending on how furnished (the level) kit is priced out. hope this helps. there may be cheaper tools ,but I have used this one many times and it is very nice. don't how much you want to put out (cash) verses how many jobs you need this for, Steve

#435926 - 05/03/07 03:34 PM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: steve 1961]  
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Ah, I gotcha now. Thanks Steve!

It looks like they go for about $300 new on ebay...something to think about.


Now since I know almost nothing about fuel fittings, can I use AN fittings and a 37 degree flaring tool like this?

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail...15&autoview=sku


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#435931 - 05/03/07 03:58 PM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: SS Ninja]  
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Ninja that AN flare tool is the one I purchased for doin up the steel lines as seen on my wiki.

They come out lookin nice, can't comment on whether or not my flares leak yet as I won't have tested out the pump until this coming weekend \:\)

You'd just need some AN tube nuts and sleeves to go along with it.

Oh and a tubing cutter to cut the fuel lines properly. This is the one I have - cheap but it worked good:
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D900500&N=700+0&autoview=sku

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#435945 - 05/03/07 04:48 PM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: m0ntecarloss]  
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Have you tried a generic hydraulic fitting store? I go to this one in town and they have it all! Sometimes they have different names than I use, but they fit!


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#437117 - 05/07/07 03:25 PM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: m0ntecarloss]  
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 Originally Posted By: m0ntecarloss

You'd just need some AN tube nuts and sleeves to go along with it.


How's that going for you? Any problems?

Oh, and I'm kinda confused: So you how do the nuts and sleeves work? Do you need male/female connectors (One for each side of the connection), and then a sleeve for each connector that the nut goes over?


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#437285 - 05/08/07 01:20 AM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: SS Ninja]  
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Well we haven't fired it up yet - hopefully sometime this week. We did finalize the fuel lines and test out the fuel pump and for the most part all is well. There is a super minor leak at the fitting for the fuel filter that I am going to reflare. All the other connections are nice and dry after running the pump for several minutes with fuel pressure set at 20psi.

I know how you feel about the confusion - I wish there were some better guides out there for all those AN fittings. I have a few pictures that should answer your questions.

You need the tube nuts and sleeves for the hard line. You put them both over the line and then flare it. The sleeve goes through the tube nut. You then have a male fitting that screws into the tube nut and when tightened pulls the male fitting against the flare you made. Pictures are better than my bad explanation : )

Pic of tube nuts and sleeves on hard line

Pic of fuel filter connected to hard line

The fuel filter has the male AN fittings on either end... I hope that helps a little - keep in mind I am no expert and this is the first time I have worked with this stuff \:>

Possibly be some other pictures that you might find interesting here on my wiki


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#437324 - 05/08/07 02:27 AM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: m0ntecarloss]  
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Cool, thanks for all the help so far man!

I know what you're saying about a lack of info on the AN fittings...it sucks.

I'm digging the ricer red line by the way...Summit half-off special? I had to go with the ultra-ricer yellow, since I couldn't say no to the price (It was half the price of the normal stuff...I wonder why, haha)

Not like anyone is really going to see it anyways.

So the fittings are holding at 20 psi. I wonder if they'll hold at 40-50, which is what I'll be running at. Oh, and what fuel filter did you use?


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#437491 - 05/08/07 03:20 PM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: SS Ninja]  
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Well when done properly all of these connections can easily handle any pressure you might run for fuel injection. Any leaks for me are just a lack of me not properly flaring the line so don't worry about that.

Eventually I will be running much higher pressures as I try to get this throttle body to work with my car, and even further down the road I will be setting up a multiport setup so I fully intend this setup to run those pressures.

As for fuel filter the one I purchased says its for carbs, but also states its good to 75 psi. It was a lot cheaper than the other ones that say for fuel injection and has the proper AN fittings.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=SUM%2D230101&N=700+0&autoview=sku


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#438249 - 05/10/07 05:27 PM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: m0ntecarloss]  
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Now I think I have most of it sorted out, but I'm still a little sketchy when it comes to fittings around the fuel pump.

So while it doesn't look pretty, here's a rough idea of what the fuel lines will look like:


These are the AN/Rubber line converters that I got free with my rubber lines:
http://tpiparts.net/inc/sdetail/3923

I'd also be using this fuel filter:
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=EAR%2D230206ERL&FROM=MG

And these nuts/sleeves:
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail...15&autoview=sku

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail...15&autoview=sku


Do they make an AN fitting with a hose barb at one end, and a female connection at the other? That would save me having to fab up a very short stretch of hard line as seen in the pic.

(Actually, I can't seem to find the AN fittings that are a hose barb fitting at one end and a male at the other now...they were on summit though)

Any other ideas? Am I way off base?

Oh, and posting up links to the fittings would be awesome too, since I can't seem to find my way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to these things.


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#438271 - 05/10/07 06:16 PM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: SS Ninja]  
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My sending unit had a threaded connector on the feed line which I was able to find a adapter to convert it to AN. This allowed me to run braided steel line from the fuel filter directly to the feed line on the sending unit. Nice clean way of doing it if you ask me and you should have some extra braided line anyway.

This is the fitting here I used - Ignore the picture its completely not correct on summits website. One end is male AN threads - the other end that goes to sending unit is female.


Take a look at the fuel filter picture in the link I posted above. The braided steel in that pic is going right to sending unit.


As for the return line I went to lowes and got a hardline to NPT compression fitting. Then an NPT to barb fitting to connect the rubber fuel line to. The return side should not be under much pressure so this is fine. This is shown clearly in that same picture. I believe I stole the idea from spudmanmikes sweet writeup : )

I don't have any image editing stuff here to draw a pic but hopefully thats a little clear as to how I did it. I really wish I had my camera when I was putting this stuff together...


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#438272 - 05/10/07 06:17 PM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: m0ntecarloss]  
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Crap I just realized it doesn't look like you are going to use braided steel so maybe thats not too helpful...

Look for spudman mikes writeup its a pdf file he made and looks like he took a similar route that you will want to take.

He didn't use AN fittings or braided steel.


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#438274 - 05/10/07 06:36 PM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: m0ntecarloss]  
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Yeah, I was hoping to be cheap and avoid using braided line. I've got spudman's writeup I think. That the LT1 swap?

I'm actually looking at it right now...nothing like getting paid to research your car projects, ha.


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#438283 - 05/10/07 07:03 PM Re: Where can I find these fuel fittings? [Re: SS Ninja]  
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 Originally Posted By: SS Ninja
nothing like getting paid to research your car projects, ha.



hahaha true dat!

Yea its the lt1 swap. That braided steel stuff does get pretty expensive with all the fittings. I'm lovin it though... From the other pics you posted of your tpi setup it would go really nice with the rest of your engine bay \:D

You'll probably need a different flare tool though if you aren't going with AN fittings. I think the flares he used were 45 deg double flares whereas the AN fittings use 37 deg single flares.


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