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#1066133 - 04/23/20 12:42 PM Steering gear box suggestions.  
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After all of this time and 3 gear boxes I still have play in the steering. Everything is tight...problem is the gear box...I have had the original to the car, 10 years ago, and AC Delco reman, then last year...another AC Delco reman....still issues. I am on the verge of spending $400+ on the Borgenson box.
Does anyone have this box....or can give me advice on another type?


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#1066134 - 04/23/20 12:52 PM Re: Steering gear box suggestions. [Re: David]  
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This is the one I am looking at...
[Street and Performance Series Steering Box 1965-Up GM Quick Ratio: 12.7:1]
Borgeson 800130
Part Number: 153-800130


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#1066135 - 04/23/20 04:01 PM Re: Steering gear box suggestions. [Re: David]  
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I looked at that box while at SEMA last fall and if I had to replace mine, that's the route I'd go.


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#1066136 - 04/23/20 04:23 PM Re: Steering gear box suggestions. [Re: David]  
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Purchased it....Let's hope it's good.


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#1066138 - 04/23/20 04:59 PM Re: Steering gear box suggestions. [Re: David]  
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Please report back. Have you done the steering shaft upgrade also?


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#1066140 - 04/23/20 05:34 PM Re: Steering gear box suggestions. [Re: David]  
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Hey Lance...I did do the steering upgrade as well, but it was not an upgrade....it actually sucked.
I went with a new shaft with the rag joint.


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#1066141 - 04/23/20 05:51 PM Re: Steering gear box suggestions. [Re: David]  
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You need to do the Jeep shaft upgrade, get rid of that rag joint.


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#1066143 - 04/23/20 07:31 PM Re: Steering gear box suggestions. [Re: David]  
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Tried the upgrade.....again


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#1066153 - 04/24/20 04:28 AM Re: Steering gear box suggestions. [Re: David]  
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Borgesen products should be good stuff. Lance is that 670 box, the one that "drives like rack and pinion". Hopefully that's what it is. I've looked at that box before at Borgesen and was curious about it. The 670 box has been the best replacement but all to often not available and when it was, high dollar. When those Delphi boxes first popped up there was group buy on one of the forums for like 425, gone quickly and reappeared later for 700 bucks. Wouldn't it be nice if the new Borgesen was a winner.

For those that may remember Crazy Bill from the old MonteList days he sold me an XH 800 box from a late 80s IROC, must have been year 2000. Still an excellent box for the car with it's internal stops and higher effort. It has served me well for 20 years but I did need to rebuild it 7 years ago. Output seal leaked first, later input seal. There was a 6 month + wait for a 670 at that time, thus the rebuilding.

David what are you doing for a shaft using that rag?
Bob

#1066155 - 04/24/20 11:36 AM Re: Steering gear box suggestions. [Re: David]  
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Bob...it is a new shaft all together. It was installed last summer.


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#1066158 - 04/24/20 03:24 PM Re: Steering gear box suggestions. [Re: David]  
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800 series but with the (preferred) fast ratio 12.7:1.
I think companies like Lee Power Steering (and maybe Turn One?) offer 800 and 670 boxes (the latter being smaller/lighter and "less robust") having the option of spools designed to replicate rack and pinion feel.
Best source on this is Marcus (Mark) Savitske at SC&C (authorized vendor) who is always available to talk in detail about this.
David, call him if you have any problems with the fitment, and keep us posted please.
Gordon

#1066160 - 04/24/20 05:21 PM Re: Steering gear box suggestions. [Re: David]  
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I was going to give my .02 on the hardest part for me: removing the nut holding the pitman arm, but since you have
had yours off before, you'll probably get it done with one arm behind your back.

I bought a replacement Lee Performance 670 (which are now back on the market, avail through www.scandc.com ) and it has an amazing feel
compared to the stock 800. Lee also used to offer the option of blueprinting your own 800 series, upgrading some of the valving to have the feel
of the 670 series, but retaining the beefier 800 internals.

I kept the rag joint, but did replace the wear-item (rubber donut) and added some low profile hardware due to close tolerances and getting
a wrench in between.
The Jeep steering shaft swap everybody raves about, and is probably more accurate, but if the rag joint is new it should feel as intended, and
may also reduce some vibration. Where I live the roads are brutal..
I sincerely hope this is your last replacement of the steering box. beer



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#1066335 - 05/08/20 04:07 AM Re: Steering gear box suggestions. [Re: David]  
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Originally Posted by David
Purchased it....Let's hope it's good.

That's the box that I have.

I'm really happy with it. I had to spend some time dialing in the pressure with the relief valve settings. For me it was either 4 or 5 washers.

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