MonteCarloSS.com
MonteCarloSS.com

CELEBRATING 20 YEARS!

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#1062526 - 06/26/19 03:08 PM Borgeson 800 Steering Box  
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,739
Travis Jones Offline
10+ Year
Travis Jones  Offline
10+ Year
Member

Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,739
Ferndale, MI
While this isn't a 670, it's their own design, and It's good.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/brg-800130/overview/year/1986/make/chevrolet/model/monte-carlo

Great on center feel, I've been chasing this for years!

Apparently Borgeson got tired of trying to chase 670 cores and made their own design. I installed it last night and I am very happy with it.

I wasn't prepared to drop $700-$1000 on a 670 box and this one fit the bill price wise and performance wise.

I'm doing a full writeup on this for Summit on their OnAllCylinders Blog.


86 SS 6.0L LQ4, TBSS GEN IV intake, 92mm TB, 30lb injectors, Summit Stage 3 NA Cam, Stainless long tube headers, Stainless 3in exhaust, Microsquirt ECU, FABbot AR5 5-speed, Torsen LSD, QA1 Lvl 3 Suspension Kit, UMI Front & Rear Braces. Check out my build blog on Summit Racing's OnAll Cylinders https://www.onallcylinders.com/author/travis-jones/
#1062527 - 06/26/19 06:09 PM Re: Borgeson 800 Steering Box [Re: Travis Jones]  
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 821
MC96 Offline
Member
MC96  Offline
Member

Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 821
St. Johns MI
It looks like a copy of a 600 series case, I wonder why they decided to call it an 800?

Maybe people hear 600 and think of the junk old 605? I would guess that they still source the input cover from GM or its suppliers rather than making it from scratch


86 SS
400SBC, 4l80e, MSD Atomic injection/trans controller, Tilt glass clip, all tubular arms, corvette brakes, 9" rear
In progress
#1062541 - 06/27/19 02:47 PM Re: Borgeson 800 Steering Box [Re: Travis Jones]  
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 758
86aerocoupe87 Offline
15+ Year
86aerocoupe87  Offline
15+ Year
Member

Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 758
Massillon, Ohio
I just installed one in my 77 Cutlass before the Hot Rod Power Tour. A great improvement over stock. I found it not as stiff as the Monte Carlos which took some getting used to as it's easy to overcorrect.


[Linked Image]
86 Aerocoupe
#1062543 - 06/27/19 03:06 PM Re: Borgeson 800 Steering Box [Re: 86aerocoupe87]  
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,739
Travis Jones Offline
10+ Year
Travis Jones  Offline
10+ Year
Member

Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,739
Ferndale, MI
Originally Posted by 86aerocoupe87
I just installed one in my 77 Cutlass before the Hot Rod Power Tour. A great improvement over stock. I found it not as stiff as the Monte Carlos which took some getting used to as it's easy to overcorrect.


Yes, I agree it does seem to have a little lighter feel to it, but then again I am running an LS style truck power steering pump which is the highest pressure and volume pump that GM ever made, I installed a few extra shims on the flow control valve to turn the pressure down, but i think that it's the higher volume that causes the over-boosted feel.


86 SS 6.0L LQ4, TBSS GEN IV intake, 92mm TB, 30lb injectors, Summit Stage 3 NA Cam, Stainless long tube headers, Stainless 3in exhaust, Microsquirt ECU, FABbot AR5 5-speed, Torsen LSD, QA1 Lvl 3 Suspension Kit, UMI Front & Rear Braces. Check out my build blog on Summit Racing's OnAll Cylinders https://www.onallcylinders.com/author/travis-jones/
#1062771 - 07/17/19 09:52 PM Re: Borgeson 800 Steering Box [Re: Travis Jones]  
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 814
Fred SS Offline
10+ Year
Fred SS  Offline
10+ Year
Member

Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 814
Glassboro, NJ
Travis, thanks for the info. I've been looking to replace my steering box for some time now without having to spend $800. I'm curious how do you get to the pressure regulator in the power steering pump?


87 SS, Harwood cowl induction hood, UMI trailing arms. Edelbrock TES Headers (Jet Hot Coated). Goodwrench 350, Ported TPI, Trick Flow 56cc alum heads, SLP runners, Comp Cams 260AH-12 cam, Trick Flow 1.5 roller rockers, Bilsteins, TCI 2400 stall converter, Ramcharger fans, Denny's 3.5" Driveshaft, GBodyParts GNX Wheels.
#1062775 - 07/18/19 01:28 PM Re: Borgeson 800 Steering Box [Re: Fred SS]  
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,739
Travis Jones Offline
10+ Year
Travis Jones  Offline
10+ Year
Member

Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,739
Ferndale, MI
Originally Posted by Fred SS
Travis, thanks for the info. I've been looking to replace my steering box for some time now without having to spend $800. I'm curious how do you get to the pressure regulator in the power steering pump?


Hi Fred, I made a write up on this topic, but until Summit gets around to publishing it I cant share it publicly. However, if you want send me a PM and I'll get you an advanced copy to review,

However most of what you are looking for is here https://static.summitracing.com/global/images/instructions/brg-899001.pdf

So I did go back and put more shims on, I used 4 shims in total, and once I feel like dealing with the PS mess again, I may try out 5 shims to see if its an improvement. I don't know with a stock Monte SS pump if you's need to adjust the pump output pressure, Overall with 4 shims I like the steering feel, tight on center, which is what I was after... but ill be honest, there isn't too much road feel in it, which may be the result of either my alignment or 60 year old steering geometry... I did talk to to borgeson about using a flow reducer, and they shot the idea down, as rapid steering input changes (like autocross) could cause the box to starve for fluid and act all herky-jerky.


86 SS 6.0L LQ4, TBSS GEN IV intake, 92mm TB, 30lb injectors, Summit Stage 3 NA Cam, Stainless long tube headers, Stainless 3in exhaust, Microsquirt ECU, FABbot AR5 5-speed, Torsen LSD, QA1 Lvl 3 Suspension Kit, UMI Front & Rear Braces. Check out my build blog on Summit Racing's OnAll Cylinders https://www.onallcylinders.com/author/travis-jones/
#1062776 - 07/18/19 01:31 PM Re: Borgeson 800 Steering Box [Re: Travis Jones]  
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,019
Hunter79764 Offline
Member
Hunter79764  Offline
Member

Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,019
Grand Prairie, Tx
Is there any danger with having the "overboosted" setup, other than the feel? (Or lack thereof?)
I've been running mine with the truck pump and stock (non-SS) box for 8 years but only about 20k miles, most of it highway. Just wondering if I'm risking blowing out something in the box with too high of pressure, or just making it feel like a granny car (which is fine with me, honestly).


Shawn

'85 MC with budget 5.3L swap, TH350 with stock 2.14 rear end
It ain't much off the line, but it's nice on the highway
#1062777 - 07/18/19 01:35 PM Re: Borgeson 800 Steering Box [Re: Hunter79764]  
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,739
Travis Jones Offline
10+ Year
Travis Jones  Offline
10+ Year
Member

Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 1,739
Ferndale, MI
Originally Posted by Hunter79764
Is there any danger with having the "overboosted" setup, other than the feel? (Or lack thereof?)
I've been running mine with the truck pump and stock (non-SS) box for 8 years but only about 20k miles, most of it highway. Just wondering if I'm risking blowing out something in the box with too high of pressure, or just making it feel like a granny car (which is fine with me, honestly).


Nope, no danger at all the burst pressure on your lines is like 10k psi or something silly.


86 SS 6.0L LQ4, TBSS GEN IV intake, 92mm TB, 30lb injectors, Summit Stage 3 NA Cam, Stainless long tube headers, Stainless 3in exhaust, Microsquirt ECU, FABbot AR5 5-speed, Torsen LSD, QA1 Lvl 3 Suspension Kit, UMI Front & Rear Braces. Check out my build blog on Summit Racing's OnAll Cylinders https://www.onallcylinders.com/author/travis-jones/
#1062782 - 07/18/19 09:22 PM Re: Borgeson 800 Steering Box [Re: Travis Jones]  
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 814
Fred SS Offline
10+ Year
Fred SS  Offline
10+ Year
Member

Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 814
Glassboro, NJ
Thanks for the offer Travis. I did find allot of info on the web after googling it. Anyway, on my setup I'm using a stock SS steering box with a F-Body power steering pump. I installed an F-body serpentine belt system so I used the F-body pump. I heard that the F-body pump has higher pressure than the stock Monte SS pump. I do get a jerky feeling in the steering wheel when parking. I'm not sure if that is caused by too low pressure or too high.


87 SS, Harwood cowl induction hood, UMI trailing arms. Edelbrock TES Headers (Jet Hot Coated). Goodwrench 350, Ported TPI, Trick Flow 56cc alum heads, SLP runners, Comp Cams 260AH-12 cam, Trick Flow 1.5 roller rockers, Bilsteins, TCI 2400 stall converter, Ramcharger fans, Denny's 3.5" Driveshaft, GBodyParts GNX Wheels.
#1062791 - 07/19/19 03:47 AM Re: Borgeson 800 Steering Box [Re: Travis Jones]  
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 4,755
mmc427ss Online content
20+ Year
mmc427ss  Online Content
20+ Year
Member

Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 4,755
Pottstown, Pa
Fred here's a write I did 20 years ago on the G and F pumps. A lot has changed since then.
Way back then the XH box was installed in my car with the stock pump. Did those valve mods to improve the feel. Installed a Borgeson shaft. About 8 years ago rebuilt the XH box, seals, still running the stock G pump with those mods today along with the XH box. I would have a hard time spending all that money to buy the Delphi box.
Some reading:
http://jeffd.50megs.com/Pump_valve_mod_page.htm
http://jimshea.corvettefaq.com/wp-c...teering-Pump-Pressure-Flows-09OC2013.pdf
Bob

#1062795 - 07/19/19 03:12 PM Re: Borgeson 800 Steering Box [Re: Travis Jones]  
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 814
Fred SS Offline
10+ Year
Fred SS  Offline
10+ Year
Member

Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 814
Glassboro, NJ
Thanks Bob. I'll definetly read those articles.

Travis, thanks for pointing me in the direction of the Borgensen power steering flow valve kit.

Fred


87 SS, Harwood cowl induction hood, UMI trailing arms. Edelbrock TES Headers (Jet Hot Coated). Goodwrench 350, Ported TPI, Trick Flow 56cc alum heads, SLP runners, Comp Cams 260AH-12 cam, Trick Flow 1.5 roller rockers, Bilsteins, TCI 2400 stall converter, Ramcharger fans, Denny's 3.5" Driveshaft, GBodyParts GNX Wheels.
#1064168 - 11/16/19 12:25 PM Re: Borgeson 800 Steering Box [Re: Travis Jones]  
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 163
axld Offline
Member
axld  Offline
Member

Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 163
lakeland,fl
i also am in need of a box change( I did a swap 8 years ago , box was from one of those corner auto parts store) . i feel like a cup driver sea-sawing driving down the road, lol. But i also have a hydro boost system ( from Hydra-Tech) and the corvette pump ( 2.4/2.8 GPM @from 1250/1350 PSI ) . Any body else with this combo using the 800130 box? I am not afraid to spend the money if there is a BIG difference in the performance. I already have a billion dollars in this car according to the wife !

Last edited by axld; 11/16/19 12:33 PM.

86 SS . Custom Paint. Built 6.0 with LS3 Top End .TSP Custom grind cam. FITECH ecu and harness.TKO 600 5 spd. Quick 9'' / 3.70 Gearing. ZQ8 Spindles. KORE3 12.8'' frt Brake Kit. UMI Rear Adjustable UCA. Rear LCA. UMI Front Chassis Bar. UMI rear shock tower brace. BMR Coil Springs. BMR Rear Sway Bar. N90 17'' Wheels . . SO FAR..............lol.
#1064332 - 12/01/19 02:00 PM Re: Borgeson 800 Steering Box [Re: Travis Jones]  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 1,646
chevelle502 Offline
15+ Year
chevelle502  Offline
15+ Year
Member

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 1,646
Dundalk. MD
Doing my suspension build this winter and steering is next up, glad I popped back in. This thread is awesome! Thanks for sharing.


1988 Monte Carlo SS
Black w/T-tops
Mods: Jet stage 2 chip, 2.5" cat back with flow super 44's, chrome valve covers, custom interior from a 2003 Monte SS, 3.73 posi rear (waiting to install), re-built tranny, Elec fan setup, Msd Ignition, LED Headlights
http://chucks88ss.tripod.com/Montepics/index.album?i=1

Random Images
500/thumbs/Wrangler_SS_1.JPG
by WranglerSS
1129/thumbs/72.JPG
by GBODY88
500/thumbs/IMG_1186.JPG
by PB86SS/87LS
500/thumbs/100_1275.jpg
by RocknSS
500/thumbs/Scott_s_88_SS_before_paint.jpg
by Scott_86SS
Help MonteCarloSS.com


Recent Contributors
finallySS
Authorized Vendors
Tell them you saw it
on MonteCarloSS.com!


CustomMonteSSParts.com
Dixie Monte Carlo Depot
GSI Interiors
HRpartsNstuff
Mikes Montes
Savitske Classic & Custom
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0