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#1058849 - 08/30/18 03:42 PM 16" wheels???  
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Does anyone have 16-inch wheels on their car? If so, would you post a pic, please?


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#1058851 - 08/30/18 07:12 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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16's are kind of a dying breed these days. hard to find good tires in 16 inches anymore. 17's or 18's are where the good tires are at.


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#1058852 - 08/30/18 09:04 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Travis Jones]  
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Originally Posted by thepezking639
16's are kind of a dying breed these days. hard to find good tires in 16 inches anymore. 17's or 18's are where the good tires are at.

Agreed. I'm not a big wheel guy at all. Love the 15" wheels on our cars but I can't find any aftermarket disc brake systems that will work with them. 12-inch rotors and a rear emergency brake for a 12 bolt c clip eliminator rear. So the next step would be 16" wheels. Micky Thompson does make a 16" drag radial that I could live with. Haven't looked at front tires yet.


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#1058853 - 08/30/18 09:11 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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Are looks...or stopping power more important to you?


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#1058854 - 08/31/18 01:36 AM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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I've been looking for wheels myself and didn't want to go any larger than 17s. MT had a 17" ET Street radial that I was planning to run, but they quit making it. So now,,, if I want to take advantage of the notched frame and stuff as much tire as I can in there, I can only find 18s.

I actually started looking at 16s a few months back and found that the P275/45R16 Proxe TQ at 25.8" tall had more tread width, 10.6", than the 275/40/17s. The "problem" is that there are not that many decent tires in what I picked as the "matching" 225/55R16 front tire. Yokohoma S-drive and the G-Force Sport Comp 2 are about the only choices I'd consider. Who knows what if any decent tire would be available for the next round.

This is the best link I know of that gives you available sizes and to see what's available at a variety of sellers. I think you'll see for yourself while there are still some decent street drag radials for the rear, there's not much available in a 16" to give you a decent 4-corner balance in the high 25", low 26" height range.
https://tiresize.com/chart/

#1058857 - 08/31/18 11:39 AM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: BadSS]  
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Originally Posted by SSLance
Are looks...or stopping power more important to you?

Why can't I have both?
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This is the best link I know of that gives you available sizes and to see what's available at a variety of sellers. I think you'll see for yourself while there are still some decent street drag radials for the rear, there's not much available in a 16" to give you a decent 4-corner balance in the high 25", low 26" height range.
https://tiresize.com/chart/

I happen to like the g-force tire so that would probably be my choice. Thanks for the link to the chart. It was very helpful. Now onto the search for a nice wheel.


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#1058858 - 08/31/18 12:12 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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in the interest of trying to keep my car some what looking original (lol) I went with the 17'' N90's. also for bigger brakes and fitment. But I have seen some 18'' rims on our cars that blend good with that particular car.


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#1058862 - 08/31/18 01:01 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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Kevin, as others have said the 16" perf tires selection has dwindled away to just a couple tire choices. On the other hand for a daily driver there are still many tires available in various sizes, they will be around for some time yet. My wife's 02 SS uses a 225/60x16 and needs four fresh ones in Dec although lots of tread left cracking in tread makes them junk. One of the things you need to worry about with a car that see low mileage, tread good, cracking. All tires have manufactured dates, and they may expire before the tread does.

Have run 16" for two decades on the 86, like the taller sidewalls for the type of driving I do. The very short sidewalls on an 18" 25.5" tall tire could damage rims on Pa terrible roads that i drive. Currently run a BFG 255/50x16 Comp II Summer tire on the 86, the best tire I've run on the car to date. A 225/55x16 Comp II would be a good choice for your car, not to fat, right height. BFG perf tires are a little fatter than other choices.
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#1058864 - 08/31/18 01:50 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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@Bob. Cracking is not reserved for 16" tires so that's not a concern. I'm with you. Prefer more tire sidewall. The tires I think I have sorted out. Now to find a 16" rim that I would be happy with the backspacing that I want. That may be harder than the tires.


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#1058867 - 08/31/18 03:24 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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Originally Posted by Crusher


Why can't I have both?



You can...if you decide to go with an 18" rim. laugh

I have doubts that you'll find the right spec'd wheel off the rack, you'll need to custom order them. I know a company that will build you any wheel you want, in any size you want...and they are really nice...but it'll cost you. wink


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#1058868 - 08/31/18 03:27 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: SSLance]  
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Originally Posted by SSLance
Originally Posted by Crusher


Why can't I have both?



You can...if you decide to go with an 18" rim. laugh

I have doubts that you'll find the right spec'd wheel off the rack, you'll need to custom order them. I know a company that will build you any wheel you want, in any size you want...and they are really nice...but it'll cost you. wink

There are a number of those companies out there.


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#1058869 - 08/31/18 04:03 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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Billet Specialties is one of the better yet still reasonable wheel companies when speaking of custom order wheels.

I really REALLY like my Forgelines. It is amazing just how nice of a wheel they are. I've had 3 sets of tires on them now and each time 1 or 2 wheels are balanced with zero weights on them. The rest take very few weights... They made the car run SOOO smooth down the road. Did i mention they are beautiful as well...

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They are a true 3 piece wheel, you can pick your center and then inside and outside hoop in whatever size you want...really making them a custom fit wheel.

https://forgeline.com/


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#1058870 - 08/31/18 04:17 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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#1058872 - 08/31/18 04:47 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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Lance...nice wheels. That doesn't look like AZ.


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#1058873 - 08/31/18 04:50 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: SSLance]  
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Originally Posted by SSLance
Billet Specialties is one of the better yet still reasonable wheel companies when speaking of custom order wheels.

I really REALLY like my Forgelines. It is amazing just how nice of a wheel they are. I've had 3 sets of tires on them now and each time 1 or 2 wheels are balanced with zero weights on them. The rest take very few weights... They made the car run SOOO smooth down the road. Did i mention they are beautiful as well...

[Linked Image]

They are a true 3 piece wheel, you can pick your center and then inside and outside hoop in whatever size you want...really making them a custom fit wheel.

https://forgeline.com/


I have two problems with awesome custom wheels like Forgelines 1: That's a lot of cheddar, and yes i know they are probably the best wheels in the world, however the barrier to entry is damn high. 2: I'm fickle, I like to change wheels every few years and If i spend $4500 on a set of wheels, I'll have to have them until the day I die.

I'm hoping the aftermarket starts recognizing these cars a little more and offers some good 1 piece cast wheels sooner rather than later in 18x9.5 with a 5 inch BS.


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#1058874 - 08/31/18 05:46 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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Originally Posted by Crusher
Lance...nice wheels. That doesn't look like AZ.



Thanks!! You are correct...


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#1058875 - 08/31/18 10:28 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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Beautiful Lance! If fact.. do you mind if I feature that photo on the site for a while? I've been looking to start sprucing up the look around here.

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#1058876 - 08/31/18 11:15 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Z65_Paul]  
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Originally Posted by Z65_Paul
I've been looking to start sprucing up the look around here.

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So I suppose you're going to ask me for close up 8x10 photo of me. grin burnout


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#1058877 - 08/31/18 11:46 PM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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Lance you should send Paul a more recent pic, from a place where it doesn't rain very often. Sweet ride!

I think Kevin doesn't have the need to get caught up in doing the lateral G thing, the braking thing yes, his car is pretty quick. If better brakes is something he needs, now or in the future wheel size does become an issue. Adapting something to go on a G spindle may be his choice, the B spindle should not be an option and the AFX spindle would be overkill. So if up sizing rotors on the G spindles and fitting the caliper inside a 16" wheel choosing a wheel that will have proper clearance between the caliper and wheel become the concern. Not sure how the LS or S10 brake swaps fit various wheels, haven't done either of those swaps.
There may be no fitment problems.

If a brake upgrade is going to happen do it first, then pick some wheels to fit.
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Originally Posted by mmc427ss
I think Kevin doesn't have the need to get caught up in doing the lateral G thing, the braking thing yes, his car is pretty quick. If better brakes is something he needs, now or in the future wheel size does become an issue. Adapting something to go on a G spindle may be his choice, the B spindle should not be an option and the AFX spindle would be overkill. So if up sizing rotors on the G spindles and fitting the caliper inside a 16" wheel choosing a wheel that will have proper clearance between the caliper and wheel become the concern. Not sure how the LS or S10 brake swaps fit various wheels, haven't done either of those swaps.
There may be no fitment problems.

If a brake upgrade is going to happen do it first, then pick some wheels to fit.
Bob


Bob,

I just ordered all the components for a 12.6inch rotor base 4 piston brembo C7 front brake setup on a G-spindle. According to some of the third gen guys you can fit them in 16 inch wheels. The main concern is the caliper face to spoke clearance and if spacers/custom wheels are needed.

I made a post on it in the rolling chassis page. I’ll be updating it as it goes along

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#1058879 - 09/01/18 12:39 AM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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I looked at Big Brake's site yesterday, interesting. One of the things i put a lot of weight to is service, when I have a question about something I've bought can i get a quick reply. With bigger brakes swaps the master cyl and bias are always something to deal with. Would hope they have all the answers to make it a bolt in.

Did you get the 1LE bearing upgrade?
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Originally Posted by Crusher
I happen to like the g-force tire so that would probably be my choice. Thanks for the link to the chart. It was very helpful. Now onto the search for a nice wheel.


Glad you like the link, I've frequented it very often here lately.

Are you still running the Telstar Centerlines? That's what I ran on mine I hate, hate, hate, that I let them go with the old IROC I had. I was running 17" daily driver wheels on the IROC and while the guy wanted the IROC, he wouldn't make the deal unless he could get the Telstars and tires off the Monte instead of the 17s. If I only knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have made that deal.

I've been searching for a long time trying to find something that looks like the Telstars in a 17" or 18" and the only ones that I can find that come close are a lot more than I want to pay. For some reason a lot of the ones I like are coming out of Australia. If I thought I could fully trust those billet adapters there are a ton of high offset rims at decent pricing that I would have no problem running - just can't do it with as hard as I push the car.

Anyway, here are a couple wheel links that I've been frequenting that might prove helpful.
https://www.performanceplustire.com/wheels-by-size/

Search Engine towards the bottom of the page
http://www.customwheelsexpress.com/index.php

Happy hunting!!

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Originally Posted by mmc427ss
I looked at Big Brake's site yesterday, interesting. One of the things i put a lot of weight to is service, when I have a question about something I've bought can i get a quick reply. With bigger brakes swaps the master cyl and bias are always something to deal with. Would hope they have all the answers to make it a bolt in.

Did you get the 1LE bearing upgrade?
Bob


Scott has at Big Brake has answered each one of my emails within a few hours. Seems like a good guy. I know some of the other big brake guys with small operations haven’t had such great reviews...

As for the master cylinder, the Monte runs the same or larger piston than the C7, the C7 is a 1 inch straight bore. Where the Monte is a 24 and 36mm if I recall correctly. I’m doing some LS1 discs on my 7.5 inch rear for now so I’m going to need a manual prop valve and some patience.

I declined the 1LE hubs, simply because of my concern for the amount of material removed from relatively unknown castings. I also have a set of high speed machine spindle ultra precision bearings from NSK that interchange with the G-body bearings which I want to use. I snagged them when I worked there.


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#1058882 - 09/01/18 03:26 AM Re: 16" wheels??? [Re: Crusher]  
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We should move this conversation over to your post on Brembo Brake upgrade.
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Originally Posted by mmc427ss
Lance you should send Paul a more recent pic, from a place where it doesn't rain very often. Sweet ride!

I think Kevin doesn't have the need to get caught up in doing the lateral G thing, the braking thing yes, his car is pretty quick. If better brakes is something he needs, now or in the future wheel size does become an issue. Adapting something to go on a G spindle may be his choice, the B spindle should not be an option and the AFX spindle would be overkill. So if up sizing rotors on the G spindles and fitting the caliper inside a 16" wheel choosing a wheel that will have proper clearance between the caliper and wheel become the concern. Not sure how the LS or S10 brake swaps fit various wheels, haven't done either of those swaps.
There may be no fitment problems.

If a brake upgrade is going to happen do it first, then pick some wheels to fit.
Bob






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