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#1056952 - 04/19/18 12:23 AM Steel vs Fiberglass  
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I will be in the market soon for a new hood for the Monte and I wanted to know from everyone what their preference was on material selection and why. Any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

#1056953 - 04/19/18 03:20 AM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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I love my Goodmark Steel hood. Fits well, very sturdy.

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#1056954 - 04/19/18 03:22 AM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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Originally Posted by Stroked_Satinblack86
I will be in the market soon for a new hood for the Monte and I wanted to know from everyone what their preference was on material selection and why. Any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!


Love my goodmark. Steel will fit better and be more durable.


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#1056958 - 04/19/18 07:19 PM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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I have no experience with either hood but I do have a lot of collision investigation experience. You are a test driver in the event you are in a frontal collision with a fiberglass hood. The steel hood should physically react to the collision much like a stock hood. Just my 2 cents worth of thought.

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#1056959 - 04/19/18 07:33 PM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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The Goodmark/steel cowl hoods have pretty favorable reviews, myself included.


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#1056960 - 04/19/18 07:44 PM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: upflying]  
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Originally Posted by upflying
I have no experience with either hood but I do have a lot of collision investigation experience. You are a test driver in the event you are in a frontal collision with a fiberglass hood. The steel hood should physically react to the collision much like a stock hood. Just my 2 cents worth of thought.


While i have never been in an accident with a fiberglass hood, I have seen wrecked boats and corvettes, it appears that fiberglass dissipates energy when deformed and cracked.


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#1056963 - 04/20/18 12:58 AM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Travis Jones]  
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Goodmark is good for the money although they need a little work out of the box to fit my standards.


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#1057040 - 04/26/18 02:49 AM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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Thanks for all the information! I am curious though, what type of work do the Goodmark hoods require for a nice fit?

#1057044 - 04/26/18 02:28 PM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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On the Goodmark hood on my car it sat a little higher than the fenders at the hinge mounts. Slotting the hinges, which attach to the fenders, dropped the hood lower and made the fit tolerable. There are two sheetmetal screws that go in through the sides of the stock hood at the rear most edge of the stock hood. These screws were not reinstalled as the holes in the Goodmark didn't align.
Also the gaps between the fenders and front nose are acceptable after tweaking them, not perfect, just acceptable.
My hood has been on for about 15 years now, an early production run, can't say that a hood bought today would have the same issues.

If you plan on using the hood for fresh air to the intake the small holes in the hoods intake area need to be enlarged. All Goodmark cowl hoods have the small holes with the exception of the 1st Gen Camaro hood which is open there. If memory serves me there are 90 some holes at .200" each with an area of about 2.83 sq in. A 2" circle has an area of 3.14" so the holes in the hood provide less than a 2" area. Just something worth noting about the amount of air available through the Goodmark holes.

The Goodmark Monte cowl hood was hyped for release for several years by Goodmark, "coming soon", but took several years to be released, this was back in the early years of the new millennium. Z65 Paul and I were both lucky enough to win ours for cheap, mine was 20 bucks, at MonteMadneSS events in 02 and 03.
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#1057153 - 05/03/18 11:42 PM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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Thanks Bob! I guess I will be making a phone call in the near future to see if they ever updated the hood. Did anyone with a newer hood have to make these modifications as well?

#1057156 - 05/04/18 01:36 AM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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I put on a Goodmark with a 2" cowl from MikesMontes about 4 years ago. Good fit but then I was remounting the fenders as part of a restomod at the same time. Call Mike at Mikes Montes to get the latest and let us know what he says.

#1057164 - 05/04/18 02:03 PM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Travis Jones]  
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Originally Posted by thepezking639
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I have no experience with either hood but I do have a lot of collision investigation experience. You are a test driver in the event you are in a frontal collision with a fiberglass hood. The steel hood should physically react to the collision much like a stock hood. Just my 2 cents worth of thought.


While i have never been in an accident with a fiberglass hood, I have seen wrecked boats and corvettes, it appears that fiberglass dissipates energy when deformed and cracked.

Thanks for making my point.


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#1057200 - 05/07/18 12:44 PM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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#1057206 - 05/07/18 05:06 PM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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Originally Posted by Stroked_Satinblack86
Thanks Bob! I guess I will be making a phone call in the near future to see if they ever updated the hood. Did anyone with a newer hood have to make these modifications as well?


I picked mine up in person from SS396.com about a year ago, it had the same issue with the small screws on the hinge side not lining up. I wouldn't count on that being fixed.

#1057212 - 05/08/18 01:10 AM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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The problem with steel hoods is that they only come in 1 size cowl. If someone made a 4ā€ steel cowl Iā€™d buy it but if you want bigger than 2ā€ your only option is fiberglass.


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#1057213 - 05/08/18 01:16 AM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: spacemanspif]  
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I have a newer Goodmark hood and my side hinge holes lined up well. The fitment is also near perfect IMO or at least as good as the original I had. I did however gut the rear of the cowl to breath and remove those ugly holes.


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#1057216 - 05/08/18 01:01 PM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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I have a 4 inch GLASSTEK cowl hood. The fit is very good and it has been on the car for over 14 years, it still hasn't been painted or primed. No hood is going to fit perfect out of the box because every car is a little bit different. As far as a collision with fiberglass or steel, drive careful.............. Ulli


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#1057223 - 05/09/18 12:41 AM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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Thanks guys for the all the info. I was unaware that steel hoods only come in 2 in. I was thinking about a 4 in cowl.... I will probably give Mike a call and see what he has to say about the fitment with his steel hoods. I will let everyone know what I find out.

#1057225 - 05/09/18 11:42 AM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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Auto Metal Direct is where I purchased the cowl hood for my A body Malibu. Brought directly from them, not Summit or Jegs. I arrived strapped to a pallet standing upright and think that is the way it was packaged from Taiwan. At any rate, it needed some minor bondo repair. The fit is excellent between fenders, but just a little shorter than the stock hood, talking less than a 1/8 inch, so the gap between the front header and hood is a little more,

Although this is not a Monte hood, maybe someone here also brought from Auto Metal for a G body Monte can comment, their cheaper, same gauge metal?

#1057227 - 05/09/18 01:32 PM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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I have a 3 inch cowl Harwood hood and love it.fit great out of the box.


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#1057491 - 05/29/18 03:31 PM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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I have a 2" Goodmark cowl hood, it had no problem on the end-tips, the smaller reference screws fit perfectly.
On the other hand, the hood latch needed one mounting hole elongated to align properly.

A friend had a 4" fiberglass hood, with the show finish top/bottom, it was worth not having to prep the fiberglass,
as some can arrive pretty rough.

If you get a fiberglass hood, you need to modify one, or both of the car hinges by removing the coil spring(s).
You may have a hard time closing the hood with both springs in, and/or could damage the fiberglass hood,
in extreme cases you could 'fold' the hood in half.

If you leave one spring in, to hold the hood up, when closed it may have a slight rise on the spring side, it
you remove both springs, the hood will lay flat, but you will need to get hood prop, stick, golf club, etc.

Just keep in mind the glass hoods can move a LOT at speed, they are about 40 lbs lighter, but are a bit more
delicate, some have issues requiring to re-epoxy the hinge or latch areas after some use, as they can develop
cracks.

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#1057496 - 05/29/18 10:57 PM Re: Steel vs Fiberglass [Re: Stroked_Satinblack86]  
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I have a glass goodmark hood. Fits ok but sirs high at the hinges and the front gap coulf be better.saves weight though.


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