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#1048427 - 02/23/17 01:14 PM 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what?  
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I think it's time to sell her, my kids have no interest in the older cars I saved for them.

All original 1986 Monte with the V8 in Yellow Cream (original paint). true 102k in 30 years, everything works, call it a daily driver, always garaged, never hit, solid/straight, even have the service records lol.

That said this is not a show car but a survivor where you may not find one in better shape.

current pics, video, and build sheet below ...but what's my ballpark for an asking price???









Here's a quick walkaround video I took yesterday.

https://www.wevideo.com/view/860684537

looks good from 10 feet, but in real life you can tell it's original paint and shows as a real driver. Car was bought new by my mom, I am confident enough in the car that i was going to let my 16 y/o daughter drive it, but she says the only older car she would consider would be a jeep.

THOUGHTS???

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#1048431 - 02/23/17 02:57 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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Hell, call me crazy but if it's in good shape, no rust anywhere, works fine, and there are no hidden bugs with it and can be driven without issue right off the bat, i wouldn't mind putting 5-7k on it.

But maybe i'm just off the mark lol. Still, car looks good from the pics and video.

#1048433 - 02/23/17 04:07 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: DiamondSnake]  
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What i know it needs is the headliner re-glued or re-done, battery is weak from lack of use, and not sure on the tires from sitting although they all have full tread.

Paint appears somewhat dry or faded, but this (i think) is laquer so you would need a good coat of Carnuba wax for a clearcoat look. I think you could shine it up some, but the car does have 30 years of very minor rash all around. Most would probably say 'needs paint', but I just stayed original and kept it with that older patena.

It's been sitting a little while, but was 100% when i parked it in the heated garage (fogged and stored right). Literally jumped right over and purred on startup as soon as the fresh gas hit the carb.

I would tell any buyer to have someone run thru and check it, as i have only run it around the yard. But I think this car will beat most others on condition.

I was hoping to ask maybe $3700 and get maybe $3500, but the prices are all over the place for these. You guys don't think that is out of line right?

#1048434 - 02/23/17 05:08 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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I think that's low, these are only going up in value.

#1048437 - 02/23/17 05:32 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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I think the price for one like this would be all over the place, a stock "plain jane" base model g-body typically isn't in huge demand, usually only for those who want something to modify one so clean is important but original, etc. is not and many of those rather pay a really low price even if the car needs a lot of work. There are some who would like to keep it as is and appreciate it's current state though or modify it mechanically and have a sleeper, but it might take time to find that person. I think the $3,500 range is reasonable, you might get more but might be sitting on it for awhile too. Any rust on the frame/body underneath? It appears clean but I'm assuming NJ cars are exposed to salt a bit. If it has any rust issues that would need more than sanding down to treat that price might be more like the 2k or so range, IMO. Also depends on the area of the country, seems in the south cars like this can be had really cheap sometimes, in the north they are appreciated a little more in this condition or people just have more money to blow.


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#1048439 - 02/23/17 05:59 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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You can always post at 5k and stress that the price is very negociable. See where that goes

#1048444 - 02/23/17 09:30 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: PB86SS/87LS]  
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Originally Posted By: PB86SS/87LS
I think the price for one like this would be all over the place, a stock "plain jane" base model g-body typically isn't in huge demand, usually only for those who want something to modify one so clean is important but original, etc. is not and many of those rather pay a really low price even if the car needs a lot of work. There are some who would like to keep it as is and appreciate it's current state though or modify it mechanically and have a sleeper, but it might take time to find that person. I think the $3,500 range is reasonable, you might get more but might be sitting on it for awhile too. Any rust on the frame/body underneath? It appears clean but I'm assuming NJ cars are exposed to salt a bit. If it has any rust issues that would need more than sanding down to treat that price might be more like the 2k or so range, IMO. Also depends on the area of the country, seems in the south cars like this can be had really cheap sometimes, in the north they are appreciated a little more in this condition or people just have more money to blow.



This is almost exactly what i was thinking.

As far as rust, I am no expert so you guys tell me:

the good:
passenger front

driver front

passenger under side rail


THE BAD.... surface spots and one thru in rear







As far as underneath, all i see when i look underneath are new brake lines, new exhaust, good tires etc. LOL




REALLY where i live for a 30 year old car that has never even seen touch up paint....this condition is fantastic....

does the guy from arizona laugh? i don't know, what do you guys think?

#1048460 - 02/24/17 03:43 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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Got awful quiet in here LOL.

Nobody has the plague or anything, the pictures I think distort reality somewhat so I shot this real quick walkaround. A Video I think shows the actual reality of it much better...

https://www.wevideo.com/view/862482889

Please tell me i am not crazy because I think this car is in good shape LOL.

#1048461 - 02/24/17 04:02 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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It's still in pretty good shape, but there is rust through one one quarter panel pic and surely a bit more if it was really dug into I'd assume. Pricing in NJ/east coast might differ but around here the car might be more in the $2,500 range, just trying to give my honest opinion. Even then, give or take $500 as the stock non "performance" g-body demand is less but also less to pick from especially in original shape. Still might find someone willing to pay $3,500 but I could see some low offers in the $1,500 range or so.


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#1048463 - 02/24/17 05:25 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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Actually an SC with the CL interior, looks like a great driver. I am thinking the same as Paul.


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#1048466 - 02/24/17 05:35 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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hey that's fine, and i really appreciate the feedback. This is not some flip or something i am trying to make money on, and wouldn't mind giving someone a good deal for a good home. just did not want to leave myself short (possibly by thousands).

It's alway's worth what someone will pay, for this car you could drive it all day for fun and not lose, friday night cruise it, or even just sit it and I don't think the value is going down. Or some paint, rims, and reasonable bolt ons for some power and have something worth a little more. not limited much at all.

I think i will just list it for $3500 and if I get in the 2's so be it. For $1500 i would probably just park it back in the heated garage and drive it for fun occaissionaly, or give it to a friend or something.

Again thanks.

#1048467 - 02/24/17 06:03 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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I would agree, if the best is in that $1,500 range, if you have space and don't need to sell it, just keep it beer . Not that many base models around in unmolested shape/not hacked up. Nice that it's always been in the family too.


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-87'LS 350 MAF/SD TPI- CRF 2004r-7.5" 3.42
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#1048468 - 02/24/17 07:23 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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yeah at the end of the day this car has always been just great everyday transportation even with the v8. I don't beleive it's value has ever fallen below that, and around here you would be hard pressed to find good reliable transport of ANY kind for $1500.

I'm not worried....No inspection required and $60 per year (agreed value 12K whistle ) for insurance (in the most expensive state for insurance in the nation) and I can even still cruise it around and take some mileage off the rest of the herd grin

#1048472 - 02/24/17 08:00 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: PB86SS/87LS]  
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Originally Posted By: PB86SS/87LS
I would agree, if the best is in that $1,500 range, if you have space and don't need to sell it, just keep it beer . Not that many base models around in unmolested shape/not hacked up. Nice that it's always been in the family too.


Hey i just noticed your daily driver is a Regal GS, that's my car lol, had a bunch of them going back to a '98 black one that clocked at the local drag strip (sea/level and winter 40dgr air LOL) at legitimate 14.3's @ 99mph all night long. Bone stock with the baby seat in back laugh . That was faster than all the others stock and came from the factory with the boost peaking at 11 lbs. Every time i got a newer one they always seemed a little slower but that was probably just because over the years the regal stayed same while stuff like a Mustang GT just kept getting faster. In 98 that GS would take a GT (even without a pully) in 04-05 well not so much.

still have an 04 regal in the driveway i drive daily. 230K plus and never a compliant.

#1048473 - 02/24/17 08:01 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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Please don't sell the car. If you do, it will most likely become this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZ-x2HWLx0


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#1048474 - 02/24/17 08:28 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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Just to compare I bought my 86 not running due to a blown fused link for 500. Running condition in the shape yours is I would say 2000 to 2500.


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#1048492 - 02/25/17 11:14 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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Just figured you guys might appreciate this...

just 1 coat of old school wax probably only half buffed...my arm got tired eek

doesn't look like it needs paint now, does it.

[video]https://www.wevideo.com/view/863298566[/video]

funny I spot tried a couple 'newer' products like Mothers and Mcguires in the bottle, no rub etc., and they didn't do squat...good think i still had some old school stuff on the shelf... smile

#1048505 - 02/26/17 07:09 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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Originally Posted By: 86MonteCL
Just figured you guys might appreciate this...

just 1 coat of old school wax probably only half buffed...my arm got tired eek

doesn't look like it needs paint now, does it.

[video]https://www.wevideo.com/view/863298566[/video]

funny I spot tried a couple 'newer' products like Mothers and Mcguires in the bottle, no rub etc., and they didn't do squat...good think i still had some old school stuff on the shelf... smile



Your old school hand rubbed wax worked well because your CL is sprayed with old school lacquer.
Newer products are designed for two-stage base coat/clear coat on modern vehicles.


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#1048510 - 02/26/17 09:10 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: upflying]  
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Originally Posted By: 86MonteCL
Just figured you guys might appreciate this..
Your old school hand rubbed wax worked well because your CL is sprayed with old school lacquer.
Newer products are designed for two-stage base coat/clear coat on modern vehicles.


Yes I realized what an idiot I was for thinking an easy way might work about the time I put down the second bottle before I grabbed the old school wax blush

I think I knew what it really needed but really did not want to have to 'rub' eek

I was very surprised tho just how useless the newer products performed. For some reason it always seems like clearcoat has been around forever, but i guess it really wasn't until the early-90s or so that all cars had it.

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#1048529 - 02/27/17 09:47 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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Originally Posted By: 86MonteCL

Hey i just noticed your daily driver is a Regal GS, that's my car lol, had a bunch of them going back to a '98 black one that clocked at the local drag strip (sea/level and winter 40dgr air LOL) at legitimate 14.3's @ 99mph all night long. Bone stock with the baby seat in back laugh . That was faster than all the others stock and came from the factory with the boost peaking at 11 lbs. Every time i got a newer one they always seemed a little slower but that was probably just because over the years the regal stayed same while stuff like a Mustang GT just kept getting faster. In 98 that GS would take a GT (even without a pully) in 04-05 well not so much.

still have an 04 regal in the driveway i drive daily. 230K plus and never a compliant.


I do like my GS but it seems the w-body platform has more issues than I like to deal with, then again it's 15 years old so I shouldn't be too picky smile . It's been everything I wanted and was expecting, just maybe a little more maintenance/attention needed but that's all unrelated to the engine or drive train, rusted out rocker panels & radiator support and the suspension seems to need something every couple months. I managed to keep it stock besides changing wheels and a CAI, it is nice to have the L67 power available burnout. I think I'm at about 160k, bought it over 4 years ago right at about 100k.


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#1048551 - 03/01/17 03:14 AM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: PB86SS/87LS]  
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Originally Posted by PB86SS/87LS


I do like my GS but it seems the w-body platform has more issues than I like to deal with, then again it's 15 years old so I shouldn't be too picky smile . It's been everything I wanted and was expecting, just maybe a little more maintenance/attention needed but that's all unrelated to the engine or drive train, rusted out rocker panels & radiator support and the suspension seems to need something every couple months. I managed to keep it stock besides changing wheels and a CAI, it is nice to have the L67 power available burnout. I think I'm at about 160k, bought it over 4 years ago right at about 100k.


Yeah that's the problem, just getting real hard to find one (or at least a nice one) when the last 04 made is 13 years old. I never had much issues at all with the Regals except the transmissions on the boosted ones were only good to about 150K for me. I lost two right around that mark. With me putting over 100k of heavy right foot on them, I could not really complain.
It's just nice having the torque in a daily driver, and those cars are dogsleds in snow. When i thought about it the 98 was not my first GS, I actually had an early 90's (naturaly aspirated)....well it got me to work LOL.

As far as my Monte, it's looking more and more like I'm going to get what i'm asking, or I'm just going to drive it myself. beer

Started cleaning her up a bit and she is solid. The car is not going down in value unless it's abused or crashed. It's cool enough to drive that I was going to pay for the QQ plates just to cruise around town in it before it's gone. Might just get plates tommorrow. side

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#1048663 - 03/05/17 02:15 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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I think you could get $3-3500 for that Survivor non SS Montes are kind of rare these days. That car while needing some body repair looks very decent and its turn key. Mileage is good too. I bought a base 86 Monte with 80k in Jan for $7k. Garage queen survivor. Would add a pic but don't see the Browse feature to get to my pic file.

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Originally Posted by tom120
I think you could get $3-3500 for that Survivor non SS Montes are kind of rare these days. That car while needing some body repair looks very decent and its turn key. Mileage is good too. I bought a base 86 Monte with 80k in Jan for $7k. Garage queen survivor. Would add a pic but don't see the Browse feature to get to my pic file.

photos might be turned off for members with less than 10 posts but I might be wrong


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#1048674 - 03/05/17 07:09 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: 86MonteCL]  
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Roger that Upflying. Will try when I get to 10 and see what happens. thx.

#1048701 - 03/06/17 03:42 PM Re: 1986 Monte Carlo CL original survivor worth what? [Re: tom120]  
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My new 86. 80k miles. garaged from new. Never seen a winter.[img]http://imgur.com/a/9QH3J[/img]

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