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#1040305 - 06/16/16 03:10 AM New member looking for help in buying Monte  
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Hey guys. New member here looking to purchase an SS. My first car at age 17 (in 1997) was a 1985 Monte Carlo SS. I've been in love with the car ever since. I'm thinking now is a time to purchase another one.
I plan on checking out an '87 SS out on Monday. Please let me know what you think and if you have any advice. It's been awhile, but with the help of this site I think the process might be a bit easier.
Thanks!
https://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/5636709744.html

#1040309 - 06/16/16 10:11 AM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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If it's as good as the ad says it seems like a pretty good deal to me.
The price might be a bit high,but a nicely optioned one like this is getting hard to find.
Especially in the northern climates.
It would be nice to get it on a hoist and have a look underneath for rust.
Guy


GuysMonteSS '86 SS,513 BBC,AFR Heads,UDHarold/Bullet Custom Solid Roller Cam,706 lift,255/263 @ .050,Jesel Shaft Rockers,Balanced & Blueprinted,Doug Nash 4+1 5 Speed,Hurst In-Line Shifter,Ford 9 Inch Rear,SC&C Street Comp Stage 2+ Front End Kit...
#1040311 - 06/16/16 01:22 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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As Guy stated, the condition of the frame is the main concern. It will reveal accidents, rust issues and so one. Car looks good but see it was painted (good thing) and no stripes replaced. Run a VIN check and see the history of the car. That car is 40 miles south of me, first time seeing the ad. Good luck.

#1040315 - 06/16/16 03:23 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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Thanks for the feedback. I believe the ad just went up yesterday. I'm bringing a mechanic to look at it with me on Monday. If all goes well I'd like to bring it to a shop and put on a lift. I will let you know how it goes.

#1040318 - 06/16/16 03:58 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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Areas to look at are the crossmember area up behind the rear end.This can crack if driven too hard.
Also T-Top cars are known to leak around the seals and cause the floors to rust.
Might not hurt to make sure the AC/heater works on all speeds as this is also a known problem.
But it looks like a solid car so there may not be any issues.
Be sure to keep us posted.
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#1040325 - 06/16/16 06:44 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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That looks like a good deal to me. Inside and out look nice, engine bay looks like it hasn't been messed with. A new frame around here is $500. I'd still look at the belly but even it if needs a floor it's worth it for what the car is as a whole.

As a side note, I'm biased. This car has all the details that I like in a 4th gen. The best looking tail lights/rear bumper, 3rd brake light, t-tops, the right wheels, overdrive. Cool car!

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#1040326 - 06/16/16 06:47 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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Show up with 8k, cash talks. It's worth that everyday of the week with east coast car prices.


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#1040327 - 06/16/16 06:51 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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Thanks a lot! I'm pretty psyched to check it out. I had an '85 years ago but always loved the look of this one as well!

#1040328 - 06/16/16 07:01 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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I think the only exterior difference is the location of the side mirrors and the wheels between those years. I like the early side mirror more than the late and the other way around on the stock wheels.

Hope it goes well and good luck. You almost never see one that nice in MO for less than $10k.


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1984 SS - 355sbc, T-56, 9"/3.90, 2" drop, Weld RTS S71, 215/60 - 275/50

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#1040329 - 06/16/16 08:25 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: SpookShow'84]  
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I believe that the rear tail lights are different as well.
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#1040335 - 06/16/16 10:58 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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I don't know if he listed the year right in his first post. The link says '86 and the tail lights look the same as my '84. In the 87+ cars they are different than the earlier years, more aerodynamic/sleeker.


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1984 SS - 355sbc, T-56, 9"/3.90, 2" drop, Weld RTS S71, 215/60 - 275/50

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#1040341 - 06/17/16 01:51 AM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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83-86 have the same taillights, if the trans is a 700R4, it has been changed, the 200-4r has a better OD ratio, overall, a nice car and will bring that money easily. I sold the one in that shape or better for 9K.


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#1040343 - 06/17/16 02:50 AM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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Thanks for all the great feedback!

#1040397 - 06/18/16 02:37 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: The PC Surgeon]  
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Originally Posted By: The PC Surgeon
As Guy stated, the condition of the frame is the main concern. It will reveal accidents, rust issues and so one. Car looks good but see it was painted (good thing) and no stripes replaced. Run a VIN check and see the history of the car. That car is 40 miles south of me, first time seeing the ad. Good luck.

Repaint is not necessarily a good thing if it was used to cover flaws. For example, improper rust repair with bondo is easily concealed with new paint. Maybe it's a reflection but something is going on around the trunk lock.
Car has those east coast mud flaps behind the rear wheels, indicates it may be driven during the winter.
An unpainted car offers a more honest look at the true condition of a car.


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#1040411 - 06/19/16 01:51 AM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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I noticed the trunk lock. Checking it out Monday morning. I'll let you know. Thanks.

#1040487 - 06/20/16 04:45 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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Hey guys. Finally checked out the car. It was in very good shape. Engine and frame looked good. There was a minor oil leak and some rust under front outside corner of the passenger t-top. That t-top also does not lock. Other than that pretty solid. He said he would have the rust area fixed before the sell, as that what worried me the most.
What do you guys think? I was thinking start low around 6k than go from there. Probably stop at 8k.

#1040488 - 06/20/16 04:46 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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Also the rpm gauge and the check engine light was in and out. But I think that's no big deal and quick fixes.

#1040489 - 06/20/16 04:49 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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Also a lot of the weather stripping would eventually need to be replaced. Thanks!

#1040515 - 06/21/16 01:20 AM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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Starting at $6K may him insult him a little. That's only 2/3 of what he wanted and he's also out the money on the rust repair unless you're starting at $6K and you fix the problems. I think it's worth $10k myself if you get it for below $8k you stole the thing.

What did your mechanic friend think about the rust. Did it get repainted right or was it sprayed over some rusted spots? Weather stripping isn't a big deal, tach might be tougher if he swapped the transmission.


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#1040521 - 06/21/16 01:50 AM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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Thanks Spookshow. He said the usual rusty areas were in pretty good shape. He also thought the paint was done well. Not a top of the line job, but good enough. A few spots he noticed some bondo areas, but all in all the car seemed solid.
I think you're right about the low offer. Gonna sleep on it and make an offer tomorrow.

#1040528 - 06/21/16 03:03 AM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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Around here most people will put in 10% that they are willing to haggle with, it's probably not a whole lot different there. You'll just have to take his temperature and see how hot he is to move the car.

If it were me? 1st I'd look at the problem areas and cost to fix them yourself. Take 15% off his list price then subtract your cost to fix stuff and let that be my opening price. Gives you a strong position for your opening offer without insulting the seller.

Again I'll admit I'm biased, it has all the goodies I like for options and features on these cars. I might be starting too high with those #'s. Check the sold listings on the big auction site for comps. He will have done the same and accounted for their fees. Good luck!


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#1040576 - 06/22/16 12:47 AM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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Owning? Pics?


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#1040591 - 06/22/16 01:39 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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After a few hours of negotiating (through text,which was much easier than in person), we agreed on the price of $7500. He is getting the rust spots near the t-tops done on Friday, and as of my Monday I will be a very proud owner of a 1986 Monte Carlo SS!
Thanks for all of your help. It helped a lot through this whole process. I really appreciate it. I'm sure I will have many more questions, and hopefully some feedback I can give back to you!!

He has the title ready and said he would leave the plates on and registered and insured until Tuesday.
Anything else you think I should be prepared to do???
Thanks again. And I'll be sure to have some pictures on Monday.

#1040593 - 06/22/16 02:14 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: Nadnerb42780]  
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Congrats. Get your own insurance before to take off or just tow it home.

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#1040623 - 06/22/16 10:51 PM Re: New member looking for help in buying Monte [Re: The PC Surgeon]  
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Originally Posted By: The PC Surgeon
Congrats. Get your own insurance before to take off or just tow it home.


+1! Congrats!


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