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#1029575 - 09/16/15 10:53 PM Melling Cam?  
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I am finally ordering parts for my vortec head 355 build. My machinist has been using Melling cams for years and builds alot of 350 dirt track cars using Melling stuff. He is trying to sway me to use a Melling cam. Originally I was set on an xe 262 cam but have read the xe series is hard on valvetrain because of the sharp ramp rates. Has anyone used a Melling for any kind of performance? I have looked at the Melling catalog and have found some comparable grinds to the xe 262 but want to get some real world feed back if possible.


1985 Monte Carlo SS Vortec headed 355, Howards 215/225 cam, built mustang WC T5, Sick Speed Monte Pedal Kit, Patriot headers and magnaflow mufflers, 7.5" 3:73
#1029577 - 09/16/15 11:19 PM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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I have no personal experience with Melling Cams,but you need to ask yourself a question.
Do you trust your machinist ??
If so,take his recommendation.
If not,find someone else...
Guy

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#1029587 - 09/17/15 01:34 AM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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I have the 262 crane cam in my 355 vortec and have been using it since 2008 with no issues and enjoy the way it performs.


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#1029593 - 09/17/15 02:07 AM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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GuysMonte- I do trust my machinist, old friend of the family and has built some pretty stout engines over the years. Older fella, old school all the way. Does things properly. I just have never heard much about Melling before. He seems to use the stuff that is not as mainstream as say Comp.


1985 Monte Carlo SS Vortec headed 355, Howards 215/225 cam, built mustang WC T5, Sick Speed Monte Pedal Kit, Patriot headers and magnaflow mufflers, 7.5" 3:73
#1029597 - 09/17/15 07:33 AM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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Melling cams are mostly really old grinds with soft lazy ramps. They have a few decent grinds that make good power. Every now and again, one of my old suppliers would heavily discount the cams (usually under $50 at the time) and I would stock up on the following hydraulic flat tappet grinds. I doubt they’ve added any new cams since then, but these were the only ones I thought were worth buying.

Hydraulic Flat Tappet
Part#, .050 duration, Adv duration, lift,,,,, IC/EC,,,,,, Lobe Spread
22115, 209/216,,,, 283/286,,,,, .435/.455,, 107/117,, 112 (+5 advance)
22234, 224/230,,,, 283/291,,,,, .480/.486,, 107/113,, 110 (+3 advance)
22301, 232/232,,,, 288/288,,,,, .480/.480,, 106/110,, 108 (+4 advance)

I’d typically sell the 22115 for 305, the 22234 for 350 and the 22301 for 383/406 “budget builds”.

The 22115 is fractionally better and bigger than the 204/214 Summit/Crane/Alliance cam. It works very good in 305s and milder 350 builds.

The 22234 will give similar WOT as the XE268H-10 and is not a bad cam at all for a 350 if that’s the size cam you’re looking for.

The 22301 is similar to the 280 Magnum, but on a 108 lobe spread. It’s similar in nature to some Isky cams as well. This one works very well in 383s and 406s with a really good exhaust system and 2800-3000 stall speed converter.

Generally speaking, there’s not going to be a lot of WOT difference between these three and say a comparable duration at .050 in an Xtreme Energy or VooDoo grind, but you won’t get as smooth an idle with them and part throttle response won’t be quite as responsive. These are the only three hydraulic Mellings I’d run and as I said, if they fit your objectives, they’re not bad at all. HOWEVER, the rest are either lazy or EXTREMELY (pun intended) lazy grinds and I wouldn’t consider them at all for anything other than a budget stock type build (assuming you can get them cheaper than the others). FYI - I did a quick price check on these three and all expect the 22115 are priced within $15 or $20 of a comparable Comp Xteme or Lunati VooDoo.

#1029599 - 09/17/15 10:45 AM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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Originally Posted By: 800rmk
GuysMonte- I do trust my machinist, old friend of the family and has built some pretty stout engines over the years. Older fella, old school all the way. Does things properly. I just have never heard much about Melling before. He seems to use the stuff that is not as mainstream as say Comp.


That's good to know,sounds like he knows his stuff.
You could share your thoughts on cam selection with him and see what he says.
In the above post Kevin seems to know something about the Melling cams.
Maybe one of those grinds is what your machinist is planning on using.
If so it might be exactly what you need...
Guy


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#1029603 - 09/17/15 01:13 PM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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I used the com xe series cams on numerous sbc builds. And had great success. And no valvetrain problem.


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#1029608 - 09/17/15 03:20 PM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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As others have said, I've never heard of any issues or problems with valve train problems with the XE cams and the 262XE is a proven combination on a 350 with Vortec heads.

There may be some new Mellings that I don't know about. Post up the one(s) you're looking at and we can tell you how they compare to the newer higher rate of rise cams like from Comp and Lunati.


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#1029632 - 09/17/15 11:54 PM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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Thanks guys,here are the specs of a Melling cam I thought looked interesting. Jim (machinist) is getting me the parts at his cost so I'd like to work with him on this but the cam is not the deal breaker by any means. I can get a different one else where too. Let me know what you think.


Brand:
Melling


Manufacturer's Part Number:
22203


Part Type:
Camshafts


Product Line:
Melling M-Select Class 2 Camshafts


Summit Racing Part Number:
MEL-22203




Cam Style:
Hydraulic flat tappet


Basic Operating RPM Range:
1,700-5,200


Intake Duration at 050 inch Lift:
214


Exhaust Duration at 050 inch Lift:
224


Duration at 050 inch Lift:
214 int./224 exh.


Advertised Intake Duration:
288


Advertised Exhaust Duration:
290


Advertised Duration:
288 int./298 exh.


Intake Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio:
0.444 in.


Exhaust Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio:
0.466 in.


Valve Lift with Factory Rocker Arm Ratio:
0.444 int./0.466 exh.


Lobe Separation (degrees):
112


Computer-Controlled Compatible:
No


Valve Springs Required:
No


Quantity:
Sold individually.


1985 Monte Carlo SS Vortec headed 355, Howards 215/225 cam, built mustang WC T5, Sick Speed Monte Pedal Kit, Patriot headers and magnaflow mufflers, 7.5" 3:73
#1029659 - 09/18/15 03:46 PM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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Pretty good mild cam.


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#1029664 - 09/18/15 05:54 PM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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That cam must have really non-aggressive lobe ramps. Most modern cams with 214/224 duration @ .050 usually have around 270/280 adv. duration. I've used a few of the Comp Cams xe grinds with no valvetrain issues. I'm guessing ppl try to use old & worn valve springs on a new xe cam and that probably doesn't work out too well. Use decent springs and you s/b fine.

#1029676 - 09/18/15 10:52 PM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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That’s a cookie cutter cam that I think Camshaft Machine Company (CMC) (at least at one time) makes for all the different “House Brands” (Alliance, Melling, Summit – anyone with those specs). Here’s that cam from Summit for $62 – which I bet you’ll find will be about the same price or cheaper than your builder can buy. Summit gets huge volume purchase discounts and from personal experience I know smaller shops can’t buy them without a large volume contract directly from the manufacture and even then you can’t do it (unless you're selling as much as Summit - lol). Anyway,,, I regress.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-1103/overview/

As indicated before, that’s a pretty lazy grind since Melling indicates the advertised duration is measured at .006”, which is the same as Comp uses by the way. FYI - Crane Cams list their advertised measurement at .004” lift and that will give you a slightly larger number.

That 214/224-112 cam is VERY similar in lift and duration as the cam GM uses in the 350/330 crate engine with Vortec heads (212/222-112). The stock GM ramps are a little more aggressive than the Melling/Summit cam, but not as aggressive as the Extreme Energy or Voodoo.
http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines/small-block-350-ho.htmlCa

This will give you a pretty good idea of what you could expect with a different cam.
http://www.hotrod.com/cars/project-vehic...ackage-install/

Here’s what they said about the difference between the stock cam and the XE262. Keep in mind the Comp 218/224 is on a 110 spread with a 6-degree split and the stock 212/222 cam is on a 112 spread with a 10-degree split and the Comp would still idle smoother.

“While power did improve, the gains were so minimal that we have not listed them in the dyno chart numbers. Instead, we decided to jump right into the next larger cam in the Xtreme Energy stable--the XE268.”



As you can see from the chart above the larger "Test 2" Comp XE268 (224/230-110) cam made 9lb/ft better torque at 2400rpm than the lazier 212/222-112 cam but surprisingly only made about 6 more HP at peak. However, it did make more power at all points in the curve – which is typical of going from an old lazy ramp cam to a more aggressive lobe profile. What you’re really paying for in the lift limited flat tappet hydraulics is the idle quality and throttle response. Still,,, for what it is worth – I would have expected it to make a little more HP. However, as said what you have to take into account is the XE268 will be much more crisp under light and moderate throttle – it’ll also make more vacuum at idle. These are all desirable qualities to me, but other just might rather have a cam that hits a little harder.

Long story short, the 214/224-112 Melling (Summit, Crane, Alliance) cam is not that bad a selection at all for a mild to moderate 350 making 370-375HP with Vortec heads.

#1029679 - 09/19/15 12:23 AM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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Thanks for the replies! Thanks for the researched/ experienced reply BadSS. As usual you go above and beyond when answering a question. My machinist is in his 60's and is very good at what he does but he is not a computer person at all unfortunately and is very open to info I pass along to him after I do some research. He is still building engines like he did in '75 lol which is fine but is missing out on the newest tech. I still want to be able to drive the car to meets and what not so fuel economy is somewhat important but I also am being realistic. I think I will try this Melling cam. Thanks a lot guys


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#1029733 - 09/20/15 11:42 AM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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Sounds like you & your machinist have made a good decision and I am sure you will be very pleased when you get it running.
If & when the fun wears off you can always build it bigger & better LOL
Guy


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#1029736 - 09/20/15 01:21 PM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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I couldn't get the link for the GM 350 H.O. to pull up, so I'm posting this link.

http://www.chevrolet.com/performance/crate-engines/small-block-350-ho.html

Thanks for the link to the CC mag test as well, I've been looking for that one.

I have a GM replacement crate engine which I've already swapped to flat top pistons to bump CR, and installed the infamous generic 214/224 cam (mine came from summit). It runs ok, but I've also got a set for 906 vortecs and the needed GMPP intake just sitting here. I've been looking for a dyno test of said combo, with the added bump in compression. Clearly someone out there has taken a flat top'd 350, put a set of vortecs on with this cam and gotten a number.

Note: this combo will probably go into an 88 SS with the full CCC system. Shooting for 20mpg on the highway and 14.00 at the track.


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#1029737 - 09/20/15 02:32 PM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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200KSS- It sounds like we are going for the same things. We are using a set of flat top Speed pro forged pistons, 906 vortecs as well. I am keeping my CCC system.
Guys- Yeah, I'm sure the novelty will wear off and will look for more. lol Gone down this road with every diesel pick up I buy it seems.


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#1029739 - 09/20/15 02:58 PM Re: Melling Cam? [Re: 800rmk]  
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If I am not mistaken that's the same specs as my old edelbrock cam as well.
Like I said good mild cam.


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