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#1044117 - 10/04/16 02:00 PM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Wow, great thread! I enjoy reading and learning from your resto adventures.

#1047964 - 02/09/17 05:34 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Hello all.... The 5.3 swap is damn near complete. Just waiting on my butt cheeks to un-clench so I can spend the money to have the exhaust ran.

But on to the problem of the day. I walked past the car after work and found this scene.
I thought it was oil and my heart sank. Upon closer inspection, it was gas. Not as much of a gut punch, but still something significant.

Long story short. There is gas leaking from the old factory metal return line. I used this line to run up to the charcoal canister. For as long as I had the car, the return line was never used. But I'm still worried as, gas shouldn't be in the line for vapors as the inlet hangs a inch from the top of the sender. Maybe I have the hose for the return line and the vapor line crossed up on the sender unit. I will drop the tank this weekend.

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#1047971 - 02/09/17 02:45 PM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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great thread, enjoyed reading it.


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1983 Monte Carlo SS our first new car.
#1048353 - 02/20/17 02:22 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Tank dropped and it was as suspected. The lines were crossed on the sending unit.



No issue with dropping the tank. Setup, dropping, finding and fixing the issue took less than 20 minutes. The problems was reinstalling the tank. It took an hour and 2 separate attempts to get the gas tank straps back in place.

Everything is back in place. Ran it for a couple minutes to test out this OBD2 Bluetooth info system.


This is a temporary bridge to the having the factory gauge (or upgrades) working.

My inspection sticker expires the last day of April. So now on to the exhaust.


1987 Monte Carlo SS
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#1048552 - 03/01/17 03:22 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Every time I put the car in gear, it would rapidly rev up. If I let my foot off the brake the car would take off and cruise at around 20 mph.
Readout at Idle.
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Readout when placed into gear.
[Linked Image]

The Rev's would fluctuate between 800 - 1100 rpm. Also, while holding the brake the car would immediately leap forward as if I was trying to do a launch. Hell it even did a little burnout without me putting my foot on the gas.

I talked with a friend, and he said pray its not in the computer as the idle RPM was a bit high.
After researching, the signs pointed towards air entering the system after the MAF sensor I.E. un-metered air, vacuum leak.....
There are a lot of different ways that can happen. But one stood out. If you removed the intake, leaks can form if not attached correctly.

Hmmmmm, did I take the intake off?
Yep, when I pulled the motor.

Did I put it back on correctly?
I hope i did....... ya'll see where this is heading. So, at some point when I place the intake back on the motor. I placed the screws into the intake and walked away and never went back. Thats right, I left the intake on the motor without tightening down the screws. At no point will I ever say this is my HOW TO guide for others. It just me documenting the process.


After the screws were tightened.

IDLE
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IN GEAR
[Linked Image]


That much closer to being back on the road


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#1048911 - 03/13/17 06:56 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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MY family will disown me and I don't care.

There is a unwritten car rule in my family. Anything with a V8 shall have Flowmasters. So....yep, I committed the ultimate no-no. I didn't get Flowmasters. For the last 10 years, the car had 2 in 40 series(I'm not sure) Flowmasters. It was just time to try something different. There needs be a limit to how many cars should sound exactly the same.

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Pypes Race Pro 2.5 in. With offset inlet and outlet.

Honestly, I've never personally heard these mufflers before. I ran through maybe 100 youtube clips of exhaust sounds over the last couple of weeks. Magnaflows, Pypes, Cherybombs, Borla, Thrush, a few knockoffs by Jegs and Summit (just for pricing reasons). I kept finding these Race Pro clips sounding just like something I like to hear.

So, the setup will be 2.5 in true dual exhaust with an H-Pipe. I'm still trying to decides if I want to dump them after the muffler or go over the axle and out the rear.


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#1048919 - 03/13/17 02:23 PM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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When I was dumping out at the muffler I had to wear earplugs on my commute. Tailpipes reduced the volume and sent it out the back.

If it doesn't mess with your tuning of the LS consider some electric cutouts before the muffler for best of both worlds


Justin
1986 Black SS
Upgrades: 350 L05 - Hooker Longtubes - FlowMaster True Dual 2.5" - Electric Cutouts - Electric Fans - Transcooler - Proforged Steering Kit - Astro Shaft - AR62 OUTLAW II Wheels - Energy Suspension Bushings - Bitflipper Chip - 87 ECM - Moog Springs and Ball Joints - Bilstein Shocks - Bucket Seats
#1049025 - 03/17/17 02:57 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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The nose is back on and the hood is closed... Its been a process, but damn it feels good to sit back and do a "look at what I did"


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#1049773 - 04/09/17 01:25 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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My current status.......

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I'm sourcing out the parts I need to run my 2.5" full length dual exhaust. It will have a X-pipe setup with dumps. I honestly don't know why I'm getting the dumps, but I feel like I will be pissed sometime in the future for not doing it when I had the chance. Everything totaled to right at $550, but $90 of that was clamps and $140 was the two mufflers.

Sidenote, the X-pipe setup without the dumps is $60 cheaper.

And, I still need to buy the actuators for the dumps.

But, I'm all smiles over here.


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#1049775 - 04/09/17 01:53 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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You're going to beat me back to the road. Nice work!


Justin
1986 Black SS
Upgrades: 350 L05 - Hooker Longtubes - FlowMaster True Dual 2.5" - Electric Cutouts - Electric Fans - Transcooler - Proforged Steering Kit - Astro Shaft - AR62 OUTLAW II Wheels - Energy Suspension Bushings - Bitflipper Chip - 87 ECM - Moog Springs and Ball Joints - Bilstein Shocks - Bucket Seats
#1049856 - 04/12/17 01:32 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: Witness86SS]  
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Originally Posted by Witness86SS
You're going to beat me back to the road. Nice work!


Thanks. But you're doing metal work on your floor. That is way over my head.



Well... I know what I'll be doing sometime this weekend.
[Linked Image]


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#1050093 - 04/18/17 02:33 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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The exhaust system process is moving along, however slow it feels like I'm moving. Its been moments that i'm pissed wondering if I could just dump it all at a exhaust shop and ask how much. But I venture on.

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"Measure twice, cut too long" is the philosophy I'm following. Since is the first time I've did exhaust, I would rather cut a piece too long and be forced to cut a second time, than cut a piece too short and be wasted.

Just to show, I'm having fun messing with this. He is one of my "I wonder" moments.

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I cranked the Monte up and it brought an instant smile. It was as loud as I expected and ever bit of glorious.


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#1050111 - 04/18/17 02:15 PM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Measure twice cut once, but nobody ever says don't weld your cutout on the wrong way...

I actually did that

Looking good man!

I want to see some badxxxx autocross videos this summer


Justin
1986 Black SS
Upgrades: 350 L05 - Hooker Longtubes - FlowMaster True Dual 2.5" - Electric Cutouts - Electric Fans - Transcooler - Proforged Steering Kit - Astro Shaft - AR62 OUTLAW II Wheels - Energy Suspension Bushings - Bitflipper Chip - 87 ECM - Moog Springs and Ball Joints - Bilstein Shocks - Bucket Seats
#1050159 - 04/20/17 02:15 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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looks good ive been thinking about getting the pypes setup also

#1050853 - 05/16/17 03:35 PM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Are you on the road yet?


Justin
1986 Black SS
Upgrades: 350 L05 - Hooker Longtubes - FlowMaster True Dual 2.5" - Electric Cutouts - Electric Fans - Transcooler - Proforged Steering Kit - Astro Shaft - AR62 OUTLAW II Wheels - Energy Suspension Bushings - Bitflipper Chip - 87 ECM - Moog Springs and Ball Joints - Bilstein Shocks - Bucket Seats
#1050891 - 05/18/17 02:03 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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I was on the road for a couple days. Look at the previous post with the "I Wonder" setup. Well, I was having problems running the exhaust into the mufflers so I wondered no longer. It was a blast! The main problem is the universal x pipe setup kicked the pipes out to far to run straddling the drive shaft tunnel. Once the hit the mufflers, there were to far outside by eight inches.

I had to give up on the project for a couple months. The inspection sticker expired on May 1st. I have no working horn and the exhaust is loud. I also decided to leave my employer of the last nine years and accept a job offer. Only problem is I will be living off my savings until late July because of there Monthly pay schedule. I was using that savings to offset any big hit my regular pay couldn't cover because of the Monte's purchases over the last year.

So, as it sits now. If I can't finish it with what I have, then I'll hope to be back at in August.

Thanks for asking....


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#1051021 - 05/22/17 07:52 PM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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sucks when like gets in the way of the monte


Justin
1986 Black SS
Upgrades: 350 L05 - Hooker Longtubes - FlowMaster True Dual 2.5" - Electric Cutouts - Electric Fans - Transcooler - Proforged Steering Kit - Astro Shaft - AR62 OUTLAW II Wheels - Energy Suspension Bushings - Bitflipper Chip - 87 ECM - Moog Springs and Ball Joints - Bilstein Shocks - Bucket Seats
#1051241 - 06/04/17 08:21 PM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

The car is back on the road. Yep, I managed to get the exhaust functioning for the 5.3l swap. Over the last two weeks, whenever I had some free time it was used in some way to get the exhaust straight. Everything from videos, reading material, to actually talking to a guy who does exhaust work. Hitting my head on the floor pan. An elbow to the driveshaft. A ratchet wrench to the face. To the crappy parts like finding leaks making that annoying tapping noise.


Now, I didn't do all of this simply to save money. Its more for the experience. The ability to see something through with my own hands. By no means is it show level stuff, BUT I did the work and I would show it off in a heartbeat. Would I do the exhaust setup again myself.... Hell No

As for the 5.3l swap in general.... Yes, but inside a garage or shop if I ever hit Powerball... All in, I came out around $2,500 going into the swap. I will update the running tap post after I organize the receipts I've been holding. But for right now... I'm going take a drive.





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#1051254 - 06/05/17 05:25 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Nice budget build .. Keep up the great work ... Love the fact that even the things you are " afraid " to tackle you research the hell out of it & them any way 👍


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#1051258 - 06/05/17 01:38 PM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Awesome! Now for some LS autocross practice vids!


Justin
1986 Black SS
Upgrades: 350 L05 - Hooker Longtubes - FlowMaster True Dual 2.5" - Electric Cutouts - Electric Fans - Transcooler - Proforged Steering Kit - Astro Shaft - AR62 OUTLAW II Wheels - Energy Suspension Bushings - Bitflipper Chip - 87 ECM - Moog Springs and Ball Joints - Bilstein Shocks - Bucket Seats
#1051389 - 06/10/17 09:05 PM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Thanks you all for the kind words.

Here is a sample video for yall.

http://s1167.photobucket.com/user/m...aust_zpsfx04h4yg.mp4.html?sort=3&o=0

Last edited by WB of NOLA; 06/10/17 09:06 PM.

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#1052034 - 07/06/17 05:48 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Moment of extreme clarity happened on a drive over the weekend. I've been driving the Monte over the last month around my local area. Going for longer drives every time, but the fastest I've went is maybe 55 ish with a lot of stop and go roads. Well, this time I got on the elevated highway (about 5 miles long) and ran at the speed of traffic. The motor and trans wants to go, but the car isn't happy. At 70 mph the car was all over the road. Honestly, the car hasn't went over 60 since maybe 2007. It was extremely uncomfortable and nerve racking. Every little dip in the road brought out a drastic up and down movement of the front end. It was just bouncing all over the road. In the last three years on the front end suspension I've changed shocks, swapped in a f-body sway bar, new end links, new bushings, ball joints, blazer spindles. The original v8 front springs are still on the car. Its sucks that I wanted to enjoy the car for a bit, but I can't. I wanted a reliable motor and trans so I could take a couple road trips, but I doubt I'm getting on the interstate with my current setup. Feels like i can't win, but I will figure it out.

Also the play in the steering wasn't friendly, looks like a change of steering box will happen eventually.


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#1052035 - 07/06/17 11:17 AM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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Mine doesn't behave much better at those speeds. You take it to 70 and you start to feel some danger. You start worrying about the handling, the weak brakes, the zero safety features, the 30 year old parts keeping it together.

Have you changed the steering shaft? My rag joint was shot and my steering had huge play. Looking back it was really stupid of me to drive the car fast with that bad joint. The road could push the car back and forth even with constant wheel adjustment.

You also may have made your front end about 100 to 150 pounds lighter than it was with the LS swap. I don't know if that can affect the up and down

I went from a Monte to a brand new civic SI back in 2000. It was an unbelievable difference at high speed. Maybe we are spoiled now.

Growing up we used to call these kinds of cars "boats", because of how they felt when you drove them.

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Justin
1986 Black SS
Upgrades: 350 L05 - Hooker Longtubes - FlowMaster True Dual 2.5" - Electric Cutouts - Electric Fans - Transcooler - Proforged Steering Kit - Astro Shaft - AR62 OUTLAW II Wheels - Energy Suspension Bushings - Bitflipper Chip - 87 ECM - Moog Springs and Ball Joints - Bilstein Shocks - Bucket Seats
#1052104 - 07/08/17 09:07 PM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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On to the next project. Inner and outer door window scrappers. If you look at the results, the outer scrapper has a slight area where its not sitting flush against the molding. Its the same on both doors. I think its the pre-drilled holes aren't lining up with the factory holes in the door. [Linked Image]
I'm tempted to drill new holes all the way down to make it sit flush.

Overall, It could be way better. It looks way cleaner and accomplished the goal of securing the window. When I closed the door or had the window rolled down, the glass was rattling around. Next step is the roof-rail weatherstripping.


Still thinking about keeping the front-end planted.... which means going through SSLance build thread


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#1052567 - 07/25/17 05:34 PM Re: The Rebirth of my nameless 87 Monte Carlo [Re: WB of NOLA]  
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I've been enjoying the 5.3 swap a couple of months. But there is a big headache forming. If I get the tiniest bit aggressive, the rear tires break lose in 1st and 2nd. Those poor 215s are crying. I love the stock rims and my goal is to keep them for crusin the streets. So..... I'm now looking at 17x8 fronts with 245*45*17s and 17x9 rears with 275*40*17s for when I eventually get back on a autocross track. I'm looking at an event in September. Time to research tires


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