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#971512 - 05/13/13 01:53 AM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 race blog edition) [Re: BadSS]  
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Originally Posted By: BadSS
As said earlier, I think what kills the stock rear end is the unloaded "hits" or "stabs". I think as long as you preload the car before hitting it,,, the stock rears will hold up pretty good. I know I was deep in the 13's before they started giving me problems in the SS,, but I loved popping off the gas and stabbing the throttle.

I used a girdle like this one in an IROC running 12.3s on engine and 11-teens on a small kit and never had a bit of problems with the 7.625" rear.

http://www.jegs.com/i/L.P.W./619/301-7.5G/10002/-1

No picture,,, but this is the exact cover marketed by Strange for $10 less
http://www.jegs.com/i/Strange+Engineering/873/R5219/10002/-1


thanks ima still put a posi unit in and a fresh ring and pinion if anything


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355, 200-4r, lowered 3 inches, weld draglite wheels, custom paint, and alot more...

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#973270 - 05/30/13 04:57 PM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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.. This should be an interesting thread... are you thinking into high 12's? Or going close to 12 flat?

.. True flat topped or mini-domed pistons, a pair of L98 'Vette/ZZX-ZZ4 -113 ported aluminum 58cc heads, and a cam/lifters/valvesprings would do wonders for you... more power/lower weight/more RPMs...


'86 Monte LS (total'd Fall '2013), '87 GTA TransAm TPI350 TH700-R4, '85 Fiero 5-speed, '75 MG Midget Buick Alum.V8 BW 5-speed manual, '77 Pontiac Astre Formula wagon 5-speed posi, '78 F150 4WD 351"M ==> 400" C6, '79 Caddy Seville Olds EFI 350" TH400, 19' Slickcraft 425HP 351W MerCruiser I/O
#973409 - 05/31/13 11:03 PM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 race blog edition) [Re: BuzzLOL]  
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Originally Posted By: BuzzLOL
.. This should be an interesting thread... are you thinking into high 12's? Or going close to 12 flat?

.. True flat topped or mini-domed pistons, a pair of L98 'Vette/ZZX-ZZ4 -113 ported aluminum 58cc heads, and a cam/lifters/valvesprings would do wonders for you... more power/lower weight/more RPMs...


12.99 is the goal including a little bit of spray! in a few weeks after i get the trans and rear straight ill be back for some more runs and ill keep you all updated


86 monte carlo ss "show car gone wild"

355, 200-4r, lowered 3 inches, weld draglite wheels, custom paint, and alot more...

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#973478 - 06/01/13 07:55 PM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 race blog edition) [Re: SilverSS]  
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Originally Posted By: SilverSS
Originally Posted By: Ricardo Montalban
if you still have a 200-4r in it, I hear that it will cause problems and possibly burn up the transmission if you don't hook up the lockup function.


Not true. Had mine like that for years with no problems.


It is true. You got lucky.



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#973481 - 06/01/13 08:00 PM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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The 200 has a better gear spread than the 700 for low horespower racing. If you are only planning on dipping into the 12's, you will be fine will the stock hard parts. 4.10 posi rear and a good performance build on the 200 and it will be a night and day difference. a loose 2000 stall converter will do the trick. Factory converter goes from 1650-1950 at the MOST. A loose 2000 might get you up to 2300 when flashed.

Find someone that KNOWS the 200-4r. Do NOT cheap out on the transmission.

Last edited by MonteC; 06/01/13 08:01 PM.


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#974514 - 06/10/13 11:22 PM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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definately keeping the 200-4r


86 monte carlo ss "show car gone wild"

355, 200-4r, lowered 3 inches, weld draglite wheels, custom paint, and alot more...

follow me on instagram @da_real_mrgbody

ARGORACING.COM for your performance parts
#982534 - 09/07/13 05:26 PM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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UPDATE 9-6-13

finally got time to head back down to my local drag strip and make a couple passes everything still setup the same way and trans still isnt repaired yet just a set of welds with nitto 275/60/15 drag radials, quicksilver shifter, and fresh plugs!

first pass
R/T .364
60' 2.073
330 6.187
1/8 9.537
mph 73.27
1000 12.423
1/4 14.852 @ 93.61
(i was happy to finally say bye bye to 15s)

second pass
R/T .281
60' 2.087
330 6.177
1/8 9.476
mph 74.34
1000 12.326
1/4 14.729 @ 94.77


86 monte carlo ss "show car gone wild"

355, 200-4r, lowered 3 inches, weld draglite wheels, custom paint, and alot more...

follow me on instagram @da_real_mrgbody

ARGORACING.COM for your performance parts
#982626 - 09/09/13 01:07 AM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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Nice, how'd you like the drag radials?


85 Monte Carlo ss, vortec 406sbc (400hp/460tq), extreme 200r4, 8.5(4.10)rear, 2" drop spindles
12.4@108 https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCp0gNvP7xuZILhKOh9_OZsQ
#982739 - 09/10/13 01:20 AM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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it was my first time using them at the track and i honestly love them great traction @ 20psi and very comfortable ride! as far as regular street driving not noisy at all absorbs all the hard bumps compared to the regular tires and traction in the rain is awesome


86 monte carlo ss "show car gone wild"

355, 200-4r, lowered 3 inches, weld draglite wheels, custom paint, and alot more...

follow me on instagram @da_real_mrgbody

ARGORACING.COM for your performance parts
#982740 - 09/10/13 01:26 AM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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Do you have those Nitto's on stock 7" wide rims?

#982741 - 09/10/13 01:35 AM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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no on 15x8 weld draglites but i think u might get away with them on a 7"



Last edited by official_mrgbody; 09/10/13 01:38 AM.

86 monte carlo ss "show car gone wild"

355, 200-4r, lowered 3 inches, weld draglite wheels, custom paint, and alot more...

follow me on instagram @da_real_mrgbody

ARGORACING.COM for your performance parts
#982744 - 09/10/13 01:43 AM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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I think so also. Thanks for your reply and this thread. keep up the good work. I love reading this thread and hope to put some numbers up in the spring.

#982745 - 09/10/13 01:50 AM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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ima update as much as possible due to the track closing at the end of november so now its time to get busy!


86 monte carlo ss "show car gone wild"

355, 200-4r, lowered 3 inches, weld draglite wheels, custom paint, and alot more...

follow me on instagram @da_real_mrgbody

ARGORACING.COM for your performance parts
#982854 - 09/11/13 04:40 PM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 race blog edition) [Re: SuperSportAustin]  
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Originally Posted By: SuperSportAustin
When i pulled the 7.5 to put in the 8.5 i pulled the axles and the splines weren't straight anymore they were all twisted to a pretty good degree. I was only running low 8's in the 1/8th mile with factory 3.73s and not very good 60' it sounds like I just had a weak rear end compared to everyone saying theres held up but I've never seen anyone have good luck with them .. and i wasn't even making much power.


.. "Low 8's" sounds like you were running quite a bit more power than a stock SS's high 9's - low 10's in the 1/8th...


'86 Monte LS (total'd Fall '2013), '87 GTA TransAm TPI350 TH700-R4, '85 Fiero 5-speed, '75 MG Midget Buick Alum.V8 BW 5-speed manual, '77 Pontiac Astre Formula wagon 5-speed posi, '78 F150 4WD 351"M ==> 400" C6, '79 Caddy Seville Olds EFI 350" TH400, 19' Slickcraft 425HP 351W MerCruiser I/O
#982875 - 09/12/13 12:23 AM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 race blog edition) [Re: BuzzLOL]  
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Originally Posted By: BuzzLOL
Originally Posted By: SuperSportAustin
When i pulled the 7.5 to put in the 8.5 i pulled the axles and the splines weren't straight anymore they were all twisted to a pretty good degree. I was only running low 8's in the 1/8th mile with factory 3.73s and not very good 60' it sounds like I just had a weak rear end compared to everyone saying theres held up but I've never seen anyone have good luck with them .. and i wasn't even making much power.


.. "Low 8's" sounds like you were running quite a bit more power than a stock SS's high 9's - low 10's in the 1/8th...


that mustve been 12-13 second passes!


86 monte carlo ss "show car gone wild"

355, 200-4r, lowered 3 inches, weld draglite wheels, custom paint, and alot more...

follow me on instagram @da_real_mrgbody

ARGORACING.COM for your performance parts
#983697 - 09/21/13 05:16 AM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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Originally Posted By: official_mrgbody
UPDATE 9-6-13

finally got time to head back down to my local drag strip and make a couple passes everything still setup the same way and trans still isnt repaired yet just a set of welds with nitto 275/60/15 drag radials, quicksilver shifter, and fresh plugs!

first pass
R/T .364
60' 2.073
330 6.187
1/8 9.537
mph 73.27
1000 12.423
1/4 14.852 @ 93.61
(i was happy to finally say bye bye to 15s)

second pass
R/T .281
60' 2.087
330 6.177
1/8 9.476
mph 74.34
1000 12.326
1/4 14.729 @ 94.77


based on those numbers headers free flowin mufflers and a 100 shot should be good for mid to high 13s give or take fix the trans first lol your getting closer


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#983823 - 09/22/13 02:24 PM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: BuzzLOL]  
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Originally Posted By: BuzzLOL
Originally Posted By: SuperSportAustin
When i pulled the 7.5 to put in the 8.5 i pulled the axles and the splines weren't straight anymore they were all twisted to a pretty good degree. I was only running low 8's in the 1/8th mile with factory 3.73s and not very good 60' it sounds like I just had a weak rear end compared to everyone saying theres held up but I've never seen anyone have good luck with them .. and i wasn't even making much power.


.. "Low 8's" sounds like you were running quite a bit more power than a stock SS's high 9's - low 10's in the 1/8th...



Exactly. My car ran a 13.30 @ 103.36 in the 1/4 which the timeslip shows 8.5218 @ 80.64 in the 1/8. Too bad it took me a decently running 350 ci engine to get those numbers. I must be missing something here think

#983931 - 09/23/13 04:45 PM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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Just a note if you're still mixing/running 110 fuel...
The time differences you saw in your original runs probably had everything to do with the timing, and nothing to do with the fuel. Running 110 octane in something that doesn't require it will not make it quicker. In fact, it could make it slower.


'83 Cutlass...project cheap...11.40's so far on a budget

'76 Jeep CJ5...430 SBC on spray
#983957 - 09/23/13 11:16 PM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: 502SS]  
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Originally Posted By: 502SS
Just a note if you're still mixing/running 110 fuel...
The time differences you saw in your original runs probably had everything to do with the timing, and nothing to do with the fuel. Running 110 octane in something that doesn't require it will not make it quicker. In fact, it could make it slower.


ima check the timing again since our temps dropped and make adjustments according to what i have hopefully ill have the trans pulled and rebuilt soon


86 monte carlo ss "show car gone wild"

355, 200-4r, lowered 3 inches, weld draglite wheels, custom paint, and alot more...

follow me on instagram @da_real_mrgbody

ARGORACING.COM for your performance parts
#984072 - 09/25/13 02:01 PM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: 502SS]  
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Originally Posted By: 502SS
Running 110 octane in something that doesn't require it will not make it quicker. In fact, it could make it slower.


.. That tended to be true in the past as higher octane fuels used octane boosters that tended to reduce the overall energy of the gas, with power increases coming only from increased timing/higher possible compression ratios, but some modern (exotic?) octane boosters may actually slightly increase the energy of the higher octane mix...


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#984196 - 09/26/13 08:52 PM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: BuzzLOL]  
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Originally Posted By: BuzzLOL
Originally Posted By: 502SS
Running 110 octane in something that doesn't require it will not make it quicker. In fact, it could make it slower.


.. That tended to be true in the past as higher octane fuels used octane boosters that tended to reduce the overall energy of the gas, with power increases coming only from increased timing/higher possible compression ratios, but some modern (exotic?) octane boosters may actually slightly increase the energy of the higher octane mix...

And still gain nothing wink


'83 Cutlass...project cheap...11.40's so far on a budget

'76 Jeep CJ5...430 SBC on spray
#984213 - 09/27/13 01:43 AM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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im gonna go thru the car and see if i can cut a little more weight out of it i refuse to gut it completely considering i still go to carshows


86 monte carlo ss "show car gone wild"

355, 200-4r, lowered 3 inches, weld draglite wheels, custom paint, and alot more...

follow me on instagram @da_real_mrgbody

ARGORACING.COM for your performance parts
#1001241 - 04/29/14 01:13 AM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: MonteC]  
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[/quote]

It is true. You got lucky.[/quote]

thats interesting i have a friend with a 200 from a monte in his 80 chevy hes had it in there for over a year with no lockup and never had a problem.


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#1001274 - 04/29/14 05:21 AM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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you do not need the lockup in a 2004r transmission. there is no truth to the fact that it'll burn up without it.


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#1003812 - 06/02/14 01:06 PM Re: THE ROAD TO 12s! (L69 305 race blog edition) [Re: da_real_mrgbody]  
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Just curious on the time slips. Are you leaving on the last yellow? That's what my dad has been telling me to do for years since back in his day as a teen he used to go out and race constantly. It seemed to work for me yesterday pretty well. My friend told me that I had some of the best R/Ts all day yesterday Showing those ricers how it's done!! haha

Btw, nice ride!! God I love Montes. smile apparently a lot of others do too. lol

Last edited by joyride; 06/02/14 01:07 PM.

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