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STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register

Posted By: zombiedeth

STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/03/07 10:34 PM

Ok guys, it was asked in another thread who has stickshifts in their car. I figured rather than steal that guys thread, lets make a new one. we been tossing around the manual monte cult jokingly for a while now, lets stop beating around the bush and take it to the next level smile This should be the official list for manual cult members, if you got a stick, lets see your name and hear what you got!

I got a world class t5 from a camaro, camaro bellhousing with camaro pedals and hydraulics. Would never go back to auto!
Posted By: Clutch_Grabwell

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/04/07 12:53 AM

Here's my membership page. Note the T-56 speedo cable drive conversion and the genuine manual trans steering column. The page is overdue for an update, there's no stripe kit or interior pics.
Posted By: Spider_carb

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/04/07 03:40 AM

World Class T5, T56 hydraulics, Hurst shifter, John B's clutch pedal.
Posted By: mikeasis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/04/07 06:15 AM

can i register if im almost there, its a long time coming but ive paid my due's partially.....ive got a factory pedal and bell setup from an 80 malibu, i just need to find the trans, a World Class T-5. These setups are not cheap so im in for the long haul
Posted By: TPI Monte SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/04/07 02:37 PM

I've been manual for a few years now too. Lots more fun to drive!!! We used G-body mechanical linkage (clutch/brake pedals, Z-bar, and frame bracket), SpeedDirect upper/lower pushrods with spherical rod ends, '83 V8 F-body T5 bellhousing and fork, World Class T5, and Hurst shifter. We reused the stock crossmember, but moved up 2.5" in the frame and my friend cut/rewelded the mount in the correct place.
Posted By: nycitis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/04/07 03:50 PM

Well I just finished my manual swap a few weeks ago.

95 T56 using stock LT1 Bellhousing and hydralics, 85 F-body pedals modified. Stock cross member modified. Centerforce DF clutch, stock Flywheel, and a Pro5.0 Shifter. Def a lot of fun to drive got my hands on another Monte and thats going to become manual also. So much more fun to drive, these cars should have came from the factory with a stick!

Posted By: Dalt10

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/04/07 04:25 PM

I'll be on the list eventually. I'm gathering up parts now. You guys need to put up some close up pics if you can of the way your clutch linkage is setup. (Mechanical/Hydraulic) Pics with headers/ pics with stock exhaust, bellhousing you used. etc, etc.
Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/05/07 02:20 AM

Ok, I think I can add mine here as well now that I have finally driven the car,
T56 out of a 97 Z28, Weir hotrod products bellhousing, hydraulic TO bearing and hyd MC. Hayes flywheel, Zoom kevlar clutch, my own clutch pedal setup.
Posted By: GuysMonteSS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/05/07 10:23 AM

How about an original Doug Nash 4+1 5 speed,"Iraqui Taxi" Malibu pedals & linkage,stock crossmember,Lakewood bellhousing,(indexed),LuK clutch,with a customised Hurst Vertical Gate II Inline shifter on top.
Posted By: RatMalibu

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/06/07 04:47 AM

what about a manual Non-Monte? lol same setup as John S except centerforce DF clutch

John I'm glad you've got it on the road again.
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/06/07 02:29 PM

1993 Corvette ZF 6 speed, black tag (strait cut gears!)

Magnesium bellhousing (this thing is LIGHT!)

Centerforce Dual friction clutch

LT1 corvette gear reduction starter (half shaft style)

1985 S10 master cylinder with a remote resevoir from some 80's blazer in a junk yard. 1985 S10 hydraulic line, 1993 Corvette slave cylinder

1978 4 Speed elcamino pedals, custom fabricated bracketry and master cyl mounting plate

Fabricated crossmember with exhaust passing through it.

Shorter than stock heavy duty driveshaft with HD U-joints built from scratch by R&S springs

And quite a bit of cutting on the trans tunnel \:D
Posted By: nycitis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/06/07 03:22 PM

SickSpeed why did you go with the "1985 S10 master cylinder with a remote resevoir from some 80's blazer in a junk yard. 1985 S10 hydraulic line, 1993 Corvette slave cylinder"

Just wondering any benefit over using the f-body stuff?
Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/06/07 04:47 PM

 Originally Posted By: RatMalibu
what about a manual Non-Monte? lol same setup as John S except centerforce DF clutch

John I'm glad you've got it on the road again.


Hey Matt! I did not know you came on here, damm glad to see you!

Monte or not I can vouch for Matt:)
Posted By: robs 85ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/06/07 05:57 PM

Im running an m20 wide ratio muncie with malibu mechanical linkage, iceman crossmember, 606 bellhousing, hays clutch and a hurst competition plus shifter.
Posted By: Tunedss86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/06/07 08:17 PM

95 T56 behind a 95 LT1
Hurst shifter factory leather "ball" knob
Factory 83 El Camino pedals
T56 hydraulic clutch parts
Custom master cylinder bracket fits between booster & firewall.
Posted By: Dalt10

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/06/07 08:38 PM

Bernie, What's the deference between the Corvette ZF 6 speed and the T56? I can get the Vette ZF alot cheaper than the T56. Is it alot bigger? Is that why you had to cut the trans tunnel?
Posted By: Bear88SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/07/07 01:03 AM

 Originally Posted By: Dalt10
Bernie, What's the deference between the Corvette ZF 6 speed and the T56? I can get the Vette ZF alot cheaper than the T56. Is it alot bigger? Is that why you had to cut the trans tunnel?


Isn't the ZF a rearmount tranny? (or whatever ya call em?)
Posted By: Dalt10

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/07/07 01:25 AM

The ones I've been looking at come from a C4. Here's one.
Posted By: nj85z28

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/07/07 02:11 AM

Oohh. Joining soon, just compiling parts. Although I do need to see more pics of manuals in bench-seat cars to get a good idea of what shifter to use
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/07/07 01:34 PM

 Originally Posted By: nycitis
SickSpeed why did you go with the "1985 S10 master cylinder with a remote resevoir from some 80's blazer in a junk yard. 1985 S10 hydraulic line, 1993 Corvette slave cylinder"

Just wondering any benefit over using the f-body stuff?


F body stuff has wierd fittings from what I can remember, this was all inverted flared hard line with NPT fittings

 Originally Posted By: Dalt10
Bernie, What's the deference between the Corvette ZF 6 speed and the T56? I can get the Vette ZF alot cheaper than the T56. Is it alot bigger? Is that why you had to cut the trans tunnel?


ZF's are pretty strong out of the box compared to T-56, but the problem is that nobody knows how to work on them. They also have an incessant growling problem and its pretty hard to find a used one in good shape. I've read that if the clutch pedal does not FULLY disengauge between shifts, you end up with alot of problems too, apparently the vette guys have problems from that.

I dont know if its bigger... mine was about 100lbs dry. The main problem is that the entire body of the trans is offset to the driver side of the centerline that passes through the input/output shaft. The C4 ZF's are not transaxles or "remote" transes. You just need a custom flywheel if you run a two piece rear main. Not sure about a one piece, the transes come off of LT1's. The McLeod flywheel that I have cost about $600 from what the prev owner told me, and thats for a single mass. Apparently they are "supposed" to have dual mass flywheels.

I'd love to see where you are finding ZF's cheaper than T-56's so I can pick up a spare. The last one I saw in good shape was a blue tag (not as desirable) and it was $1300. I found a black tag with a blown reverse for $400 that I might be able to have my reverse put into if I ever needed it, but teh labor would probably be rediculous. Those prices are for just the trans, no bell or anythign else
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/07/07 01:39 PM

Here's mine

Posted By: Dalt10

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/07/07 02:42 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Corvette-...sspagenameZWDVW

Check ebay. There is a few of them on there. Some are $1400 to $1500. Then there is a few that start low with no reserve.
Posted By: Jayv83

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/08/07 02:25 AM

I have a wc t-5 with pro 5.0 shifter
83 camaro bellhousing
78 malibu pedals linkage and z bar
jegster crossmember
an a-body 12 bolt with eaton posi and 4.88s
dynatech 1.750 headers
Posted By: WFO_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/08/07 03:58 AM

i see no one is testing out the strength of a manual behind a BBC.

FTL
Posted By: RatMalibu

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/08/07 04:35 AM

not true WFO...489 BBC here, I wouldn't dream of putting a T-5 behind it but the T-56 is doing great
Posted By: GuysMonteSS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/08/07 09:22 AM

Look a little closer at my signature picture,yep,it says LS-6 Big Block 454,10.5:1 TRW forged pistons,Comp solid roller XR-280 R cam,800 Mighty Demon double pumper,MSD ProBillet distributor,etc...
Posted By: ZZ430T56

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/08/07 11:10 AM

I bought a new aftermarket GM T56. 606 bell and factory Malibu linkage and pedels. Hooker Supercomp #2150 headers clear linkage. Centerforce dual friction clutch (love it...feels like hydraulic). Hurst Billet plus shifter with Mustang Cobra leather knob. Modified G Force crossmember. 4.11 rear gears (perfect).

Shameless plug. And my own shift bezel/boot which I sell.


....Bill
Posted By: AWDVETTE

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/08/07 09:54 PM

LT1 383
Flowtech Headers
95 LT1 T-56
95 Camaro 6 speed clutch pedal extended (Needs Pedal Stop. If you press in to far it causes clutch fork to grind)
Stock T-56 hydraulics
Zoom Clutch
Modified Jegster Crossmember
Nascar Spicer 3.5" 49.5" Driveshaft with 1350 joints
9" Ford
Posted By: hetman

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/20/07 11:06 PM

I haven't joined yet but I will one day!! I love stickshifts and now I'm gathering info.

Is there any advantage to having hydraulics vs. manual? Can you alter a T56 with hydraulics to manual linkage?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/20/07 11:21 PM

 Originally Posted By: ZZ430T56
I bought a new aftermarket GM T56. 606 bell and factory Malibu linkage and pedels. Hooker Supercomp #2150 headers clear linkage. Centerforce dual friction clutch (love it...feels like hydraulic). Hurst Billet plus shifter with Mustang Cobra leather knob. Modified G Force crossmember. 4.11 rear gears (perfect).

Shameless plug. And my own shift bezel/boot which I sell.


....Bill



I'll be placing my order for that boot cover next spring.......
Posted By: delmontess

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/20/07 11:42 PM

hi i have 1985 monte carlo ss goodwrench 350 tpi lt1 injectors 4 bolt 89 world class t-5 malibu pedals clutch rods from speeddirect.com 4 speed column from 80 malibu converted the wiper switch to column, zoom clutch custom made drive shaft from rhode island drive shaft.mod jegster crossmember, line lock, all stainless brake lines from yearone,umi perfomance rear control arms, 1 inch drop in the rear 3 inches up front here's some pic's rich


Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/21/07 01:13 AM

Love that TPI set-up,......you just gotta lose that fan and go with the Serpentine set-up w/ a pair of electric fans though
Posted By: delmontess

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/21/07 01:29 AM

thanks going to do electric but not serpentine what do you have for fans in your's.
i live in woonsocket the town had 190 car's at the show last wendsday you should bring that down
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/21/07 11:19 AM

I have a radiator for a mid/late 80's F-Body (Iroc), and the fans are from an early 90's Dodge Intrepid
Posted By: Ted88SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/09/07 01:22 PM

I will be complete with my swap in about 3 weeks. I have a T5 from an 85 F-Body, Clutch pedals from Dixie Monte Carlo, a bellhousing from an 83 F-Body.
Posted By: Monte88

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/10/07 04:27 AM

Tremec TKO600

Lakewood Scattershield

RAM 11" Flywheel

RAM Clutch

Malibu pedal and Zbar

Aluminum Spherical rod end linkages

Swap was originally done about 5-6yrs ago with a Tremec 3550, upgraded to the TKO for the blower install.
Posted By: MonteCarSlow

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/10/07 01:24 PM

- T5 and bell housing from a 91 Firechicken
- re-bent and modified f-body pedals installed in g-body bracket
- LT1 hydraulics
- home made short handle shifter
- modified crossmember
Posted By: Minotaur15

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/10/07 11:41 PM

1996 Z28 T-56 Six Speed
Mcleod Twin Disc Clutch
Hydraulic Clutch
Pro 5.0 Shifter
Iceman Crossmember
John B Clutch Pedal.

Legal to drive: 9/10/07

\:\)
Posted By: ZZ430T56

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/11/07 05:00 AM

Hey Dan, did you ever see my car with that body you sold me? Thanks again

....Bill
Posted By: Minotaur15

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/13/07 01:24 AM

Bill,

If you mean that great looking silver bullet I see, then yes, I just have. Looks great! Bet it's a helluva lot faster than mine with that ZZ in it. \:\) What is your rear suspension spec and pinion angle? One of the issues I have found that I need to work out is a significant vibration/hum in sixth gear only. I am pretty sure the driveshaft and pinion angle is right, but have that possibility open to inspection. I am leaning towards just a tranny issue since I have a wrecker box. How's bout you?
Posted By: Phil87SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/13/07 08:59 AM

I am running a T-56 6-speed out of late model IROC. To make it work with the early motor (1978 400 SBC out of 3/4-ton K20 4X4) I had to use a Centerforce 36 lb flywheel specially made for mating the T-56 to the early motors (it is a shelf item though).
I used the clutch pedals out of a 1993 F-body using the hydraulic 'pull-style' setup. I had to shorten the driveshsft 1.5" to use with the sock rear.
Everyone that has a Monte and never drove a manual Monte is missing out on all the fun... plus the 50% 6-th gear overdrive drops my RPM's to about 1600 and you can just guess at all the savings in fuel and wear and tear!
Posted By: Brian Mc

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/13/07 11:49 AM

I converted mine in 2001, first to GG 4 speed then shortly thereafter to a Tremec TR3550. Factory malibu pedals, but I quicky tossed the OE G body bellhousing for an early camaro/chevelle bellhousing, and moved the pushrod into the upper hole on the Z-bar. When I went true dual, the Z bar had to go, So I installed a 84-88 4+3 corvette bellhousing, 15 lb steel GMPP flywheel(I have a 2 piece rear main 350), and Centerforce clutch. A 94 F-body master was used, and the pedal connector cut off of it(spherical joint), rod bent 90 degrees with a small hole drilled and a washer and clip holding it through the hole in the pedal.

The Shifter is a stock mustang handle, and a 3rd Gen camaro/bird shift boot, and leather must Cobra knob...Stock console shifted forward 1 inch. Have a T connector for the oil pressure sending unit form a ~84 Chevy C10 to get it behind the distributor.
Posted By: chree

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/08/07 02:10 PM

 Originally Posted By: RatMalibu
what about a manual Non-Monte?

I have a non-Monte: 1980 El Camino with a Doug Nash 4+1. I thought I would post my write-up so it might help others:

http://personal.atl.bellsouth.net/c/l/clindh/DNE1.html

At the bottom I have links to every '78-88 A/G body manual swap on the 'net. Let me know if I missed one.
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/10/07 10:30 PM

I'll hopefully be one of the manual monte cult followers before next summer hits. I just picked up a W/C T5 today from a 92 F-body.

The only real bad part is one of the mounting ears (lower DS) is partially broken, but the previous owner didn't have any issues with it, so I am crossing my fingers there. The good is that it was supposedly rebuilt recently and has less than 1000km on it (he upgraded to a T56).

I am missing most of the bolts (flywheel, pressure plate, trans-bell). I am also missing the shifter bolts - these are the only ones I don't know if I can buy as a package, so I will need to track down the size of them. I'll also be looking for an inspection cover & bolts, as well as a reverse light harness.

I need to swap out the VSS for a mechanical unit, so if anyone has one, give me a shout.

From my findings, I should be able to use my 3-speed crossmember, and shorten my driveshaft 3". Other than that, I just have to decide on mechanical or hydraulic clutch (I have a bellhousing for both now). The hydraulics that came with it are damaged, so I will likely go with a 93-97 setup if I decide on hydraulic. I'm not too well versed on inspecting clutch wear, so I will have to have the one that came with it checked out before I decide on whether I will get a new one prior to installation.

So I might be picking all your brains over the next while \:\)
Posted By: kpetry

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/03/08 12:59 AM

'87 Monte SS 220K miles
'95 LT1
'95 T56
Centerforce Dual Friction clutch
F body hydraulic clutch setup
G Force crossmember
John B clutch pedal

Complete body-off restoration in progress - doing the underbody and frame repairs and welding now.
Should have her up and running by early spring, the paint and back on the road for summer '08!
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/03/08 01:37 AM

Forgot about this thread \:D

 Originally Posted By: 85_SS
I'll hopefully be one of the manual monte cult followers before next summer hits....


Count me in \:\)

-1992 World Class T5
-converted to mechanical speedo output
-factory g-body TH350 crossmember with elongated mount slot
-84-92 F-body canted bellhousing
-93-97 Hydraulics with custom adjustable pushrod
-John Bzdel clutch pedal
-Hurst Competition Plus shifter with modified offset to fit factory console

I was originally going to go mechanical (even have a 606 bell/fork on hand), but decided to go hydraulic so it would be easier to swap to a T56 down the road if I can find one for the right price. It sure is a blast to drive, can't wait for spring!
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/06/08 06:51 PM

Hi, I've been a member of Montecarloss since almost it's birth, member #69, and a member of the manual monte cult since doing my T56 swap in 2002. My initial swap with the L69 was the G-body bell, manual linkage, one piece seal F-body flywheel, Centerforce DF161911 10 3/4" clutch, and a new after-market T56.
Finally after a long motor build I installed the 427 sbc in the Spring of this year. The Dart block is a two piece seal so I had McLeod make me a 20lb flywheel, reused the Centerforce clutch because I couldn't find a dual disc clutch I liked,and installed a Lakewood 15015 scattershield.
To many other mods to list but as someone said, you'd be surprised how nice a MMC is to drive.
Anyone having questions can always email me personally and I'll be happy to answer any questions. bobglf@aol.com
Bob
Posted By: ss4ever

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/07/08 02:05 AM

Hmm, I see I have never posted in here so here are my specs.

1990 Camaro World Class T5
Factory F-body hydrolick clutch setup and modified F-body pedals to fit in the SS.
Stock replacement clutch and resurfaced flywheel
4" aluminum driveshaft 49.5 inches long, bought from Tri5ss here on the site(THANKS JOHN!)
Modified a factory F-body shifter to fit center on the SS console.
Bassicly stock 305 engine with TPI, stock 7.5 posi with bearing support cover.

This spring it will have a roller 350 with a zz4 cam and probably 9.5-1 compression and a 8.5 Cutlass 442 rearend.

I love the way my SS drives with the manual transmission!
Posted By: 88SST-56

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/14/08 10:47 PM

Hey Gent, it's been a long time since I've posted :). I've been driving my T-56 Manual Monte, since November of 1998 :). Been way too busy with work, travel, and other projects to post. My Monte is currently down for the count, while I attempt a frame off restoration, and other things. Long story short, I have an 88 SS with a 94 T-56, 87 442 G-80 rear, Schoenfeld 1-3/4" LTH, 3" DR.Gas X-PIPE and a list of mods. Hey Jeremy, Phil, John B, and Both Pauls, Long time. The BEAST will roar again !!
Posted By: John B

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/19/08 05:17 PM

Hmmm, can't believe that I didn't see this thread but it could be that I've been all around the world for work the past year and now I'm in Italy for the next 12 months! I guess the next round of Monte Mods will have to wait for now :>(

Details in my signature!
Posted By: Ted88SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/23/08 01:38 AM

Mine's all done. NWC T5 from a 86 Trans am. 83 F Body bellhousing with speed direct mechanical linkage. All sitting behind a blueprinted and balanced 305. I had to raise the tranny tunnel slightly and after I adjusted the clutch it's been shifting great.

I ran low 15's high 14's the first time on the strip.

One problem, my wife won't ride with me, she say's I snap her neck when I shift. Well, is that really a problem?

I've out run her 98 Z28 LS1/Auto a couple times, Not because my car is faster, she just cant drive!!!!!
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/26/08 04:26 AM

Well not a Monte but an 80 Malibu with a T-5 and now in the process of installing a 496 stroker with a T-56
Please dont make fun of my shifter.....
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/26/08 04:30 AM

I won't make fun, but I do have to ask though \:\) - why is the shifter up so far? Did you use an S-10 T5 (or S10 tailhousing)?
Posted By: zombiedeth

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/26/08 04:39 AM

we did a tranny swap in my buddies s10. man did it throw a gear in the works when i slid our t5 into the bell and saw where it put the shifter. we had to go searching for a s10 tailhousing to get it to fit. what motor is that tranny behind? they never put a world class in the s10, the only way youd end up with a shifter that far up with a world class would be if you purposely switched the tailhousings. i hear alot of people do that for 5 spd conversions in bel airs and stuff cause it puts the shifter in a more comfortable spot. be careful you dont pop that tranny.

^^at least you got inventive with the shifter. whatever works, better than having the tranny shift for you anyday of the week.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/08 05:22 PM

 Originally Posted By: 85_SS
I won't make fun, but I do have to ask though \:\) - why is the shifter up so far? Did you use an S-10 T5 (or S10 tailhousing)?


I used the s10 tail so it would come closer to the stock 4 speed location. And was able to use the "real" 4 speed console setup
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/08 07:58 PM

What matters is that it did the trick! Did the 4-speed consoles look just like that with a tray where the shifter went on the automatic cars? I believe this is the same plate Mike's Montes sells aftermarket.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/29/08 07:02 AM

Yes that is a factory 4 speed console and Mike's does sell the repros of them
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/29/08 12:19 PM

 Originally Posted By: TURNA
Yes that is a factory 4 speed console and Mike's does sell the repros of them


Cool - I've never even seen a factory 4-speed car with a console before! I always thought those console trays were an aftermarket piece for cutting up to fit a shifter in it \:\)
Posted By: kpetry

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/13/08 02:02 AM

It's official, she's in the car!

Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/13/08 02:30 AM

Sweet I am in the process of removing my T-5 and installing a T-56 as well.

What parts did you use?
Posted By: zombiedeth

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/13/08 04:41 AM

turna, if your interested, they make an adpater plate allowing you to bolt a t56 to your current t5 bell. you could reuse the existing clutch, hydraulics pedals everything. all youd have to do is move the xmember and shorten your driveshaft 2 inches or so.

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=MCL%2D8%2D207&autoview=sku
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/13/08 05:02 AM

I was going to use that but for a 93-97 style T-56 i was told u need to change the input shaft. Not sure if it is true. So I went with the hydraulic.

So far I have the Hydraulic setup the T-56 (waiting for sixspeeds inc) the custom clutch pedal the spec stage 3 clutch setup and the x member

just waiting for my 496 to come back from the shop!!

But... always good to gather as much info as you can before attemping it yourself!!
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/26/08 04:56 PM

KPETRY..........

Any updates?
Posted By: kpetry

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/01/08 12:58 PM

Turna- No real updates on the t-56. I've been working on wiring and radiator issues the past couple of weeks. Fired the engine for the first time last Sat, but haven't run it long due to no radiator yet. Hope to make some more progress today.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/24/08 01:58 AM



Can you give me a measurement from the hump to the hole.

Did you use a 93-97 T56 or 98 (LS1) and up?
Posted By: kpetry

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/27/08 02:56 AM

Turna - Sorry, haven't been on the board for several days. I apologize for not getting back to you. The floor is now covered with carpet, so measuring will be tougher. I do know that the back edge of the hole was exactly even with the front edge of the AT shift bracket (next to your arrow). I laid under the car with a Sharpie marker and marked the corners of the shifter tower on the T56, then center punched them, and then drilled a hole at each corner from below, then cut it from the top (connecting the dots) with a plasma cutter after removing the shifter and covering the opening in the trans to keep slag out. As the position of your trans relative to your body position could vary from mine, I would only use this mark and drill technique,if I were you.

Mine's a '95 Trans Am T56.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/27/08 03:25 AM

Turna, you have a BBC, is the dimension from the motor mounts to the rear of block (bellhousing surface) the same as SBC, I can't remember that measurement anymore. That may set the trans back farther.
I didn't think the LT1 trans put the shifter that far back. My aftermarket T56 is 2" forward of that shifter location, hmmm.
Bob
Posted By: mikeasis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/27/08 09:14 PM

id like to add my name to the list, is there any kinda of initiation? i can now row my own gears!

Thanks to 85_SS he helped a crap load even the dumb questions.and to anyone else who chimmed in along the way, thanks!





still got a few small things to iron out(like the cruise) but i took her on her maiden voyage yesterday, then got the boot and both seats installed today and did a bit of cruising.....Its like awhile different car
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/27/08 09:35 PM

Looks sweet

5 or 6 speed?
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/27/08 10:04 PM

Nice work Mike! Is the shifter in neutral in those pics? (just curious if the slight DS lean mine has is normal, or whether that happened when the offset was welded). It's amazing how different the car feels isn't it?
Posted By: mikeasis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/08 12:24 AM

WC T5
Posted By: mikeasis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/08 01:45 PM

yea its in netural there...i think
the shifter was a fun one, i tried like heck not to cut/weld it
after i took it apart and flipped it 180 it just slammed into my knee so i got the bright idea to put in a press and just pres the bend out, it would have been perfect but its hardened steel and cracked in several places along the bend area so then i had to cut about a 1 icnch section out and replace it....so its defintaly a shifter i can call my own. i really wish i had a leather boot for it but that big hole(truck boot?)was the only one i could find to fit it that was tall enough.


yea the whole attitude of the car has changed, i just cant belive it, for a 6 it'll get up and move
Posted By: teachnfools

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/02/08 04:52 PM

I have finally put in the 97 factory camaro T- 56 into my 87. along with a ford 9 inch with 3.89 spool. I have a 350 bored 40 over with flat top pistons dart II angle plug heads, a torque cam and full length headers with 3 inch flowmasters 40 drags. The car is a beast that i am driving every day, i can bang gears around town and make as much noise as i want with the engine rpms, then get out on the highway and cruise at 80 like the engine is not even noticable. i have a spec stage II clutch that is a little chatty but it is getting better with the more miles i have on it. I have never been able to really test this engine because of the old auto trans would just slip the power away. When i finally was able to floor it and get the power to the ground it actually scared me a little how hard it pulls, I could not wipe the smile off my face for the rest of the day, then it was time to give every one a ride. thanks to everyone one this site that helps out on the questions posted the web site has been my bible for this swap. may be some day i will actually put in a picture of my beast.
Thanks for all the great info
Matt
Posted By: nycitis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/15/08 01:07 PM

Just did it again.....so put me down twice!!!!

Did things a little different this time around.....

My 86 CL has 96 T56 using stock LT1 Bellhousing and hydralics, 89 F-body pedals modified. G-force cross member. Stock replacement clutch, stock Flywheel, and a Pro5.0 Shifter.

Also used shorty headers on this car vs the long tube headmans I have my SS. Shorties are the way to go just cause of the added room and ease. I would use the headman's again but only if every HP was an issue....
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/20/08 09:27 PM

How did you mount the hydralics to the firewall?

Have a pic?

Thanks
Posted By: nycitis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/20/08 11:44 PM

Not mine but 100% the same as far as mounting goes.



Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/20/08 11:56 PM

so what did u use just a nut and bolt?
Posted By: ObviouslySublime

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/01/08 01:29 AM

TKO 500, manual linkage, pedals, and bellhousing from a 79 Malibu.
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/01/08 04:25 AM

Originally Posted By: TURNA
so what did u use just a nut and bolt?


The factory hardware is a U-shaped bolt (threaded at each end) that goes through both holes and you use nuts on the inside. It's a tight fit with a single diaphram brake booster (actually have to remove it to get the U-bolt in place), but it does fit.
Posted By: ObviouslySublime

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/26/08 01:30 AM

Question for those of you who used the TKO 500, or any other manual with a homemade mount, (see my other post my driveline question ).

Is the tailshaft of your transmission lower than the differential?

Thanks,
Dan
Posted By: RKHiPerformance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/12/08 07:14 PM



We have an '84 SS with a 460 BBC and a Muncie four speed. The car uses an old-style Iceman crossmember and factory-style mechanical clutch linkage.

Cool thread...
Posted By: Minotaur15

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/18/08 07:33 PM

Checking in officially,

I have a 1996 Borg Warner F-Body T56, close ratio 2.66 first gear - .50 sixth gear with the following components in support:

McLeod Street Twin Clutch
McLeod Adjustable Master Cylinder
Modified Stock Slave Cylinder
Slave Cylinder Heat Shield (Self Fabricated).
John B Clutch Pedal, self modified for park/neutral safety switch and travel stop
Iceman Dual Exhaust Cross Member
Denny's Nitrous Ready Custom Driveshaft with 1350 U-joints.
S10 Blazer Manual Center Console (Late 90's, early 00's?)
Reverse Lockout control from manual switch with LED indicator mounted on the console.
GM reverse light, lockout, and speedo sender harness pigtails
Autometer Sport Comp II 3 3/8" Electric Speedo
Pro 5.0 Shifter
GM F-body Lower Shifter Boot
Upper shift boot is a custom leather boot which will eventually be adhered to the console with a self fabricated bezel. The S10 Console's irregular shifter opening will make this a slight challenge.

That about does it! Here is the link to photo's of the installation! http://s398.photobucket.com/albums/pp68/minotaur15/Mods%20and%20Resto/T56%20Transmission%20Swap/
Posted By: Frenzy

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/19/08 12:08 AM

Here is my oil leaking nightmare. pullhair


http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q306/Corolla_Frenzy/Carloss/DSC02938.jpg


Complete waste of $. No different braking at all. Only difference is not locking up when cold.
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q306/Corolla_Frenzy/Carloss/DSC03160.jpg

Makes any car fun and can put the gears back in if you wish.
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q306/Corolla_Frenzy/Carloss/DSC03098.jpg

Some random pictures of progress.
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q306/Corolla_Frenzy/Carloss/DSC02901.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q306/Corolla_Frenzy/Carloss/DSC02931.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q306/Corolla_Frenzy/Carloss/DSC02930.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q306/Corolla_Frenzy/Carloss/DSC02949.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q306/Corolla_Frenzy/Carloss/DSC02941.jpg
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q306/Corolla_Frenzy/Carloss/DSC02940.jpg

Funny how this was all intended for an S10 truck, then needed the s10 ugly and boring cause its a work-horse, not a racing truck.
None of any of this was meant for this car lol It sucked that bad. Nobody wanted anything to do with it....now they're scared of it.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/19/08 04:30 AM

Well it's about time, just kidding Dan, welcome to MMC. Steve said he saw you and the car recently and he was VERY impressed. Guess I have to go to NJ now.
Bob
Posted By: Minotaur15

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/19/08 07:01 AM

Bob,

You definitely should. Over the past few years, I have had little time to spend browsing the board/list, but now I have time during breaks at work and during the day when watching my son. Tardy, but better late than never. wink
Posted By: aeroocoupe

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/30/08 02:34 AM

I'm planning on putting a 5spd in a 87 aerocoupe. I bought a 84 t/a for parts. The parts car has a 355 in it and is putting out about 400hp which I plan to put into the Monte. The clutch set up is hydrolic. what else would I need to do the change over? I was thinking about using the pedals from the t/a. Will that work?
Posted By: 84ss355*4spd

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/13/08 07:44 PM

i have a saganaw 4 speeed , 606 bell and a few other goodies on the way.!! anyone got pics of the pedal that john b makes? i am needing one bad because i am converting to hydraulic linkage. if i can modify my malibu pedals that would work too thanks mat
Posted By: 84ss355*4spd

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/13/08 07:52 PM

does the setup have the fork style setup or is there a hyraulic TO bearing? i bought a kit from novac conversions and it is pretty cool and cheep copy and paste this link check it out http://novak-adapt.com/catalog/kit_hcrc.htm
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/13/08 07:54 PM

Originally Posted By: 84ss355*4spd
...anyone got pics of the pedal that john b makes?


http://www.motortopia.com/files/cars/alb..._Thumbnail1.jpg smile
Posted By: 84ss355*4spd

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/15/08 12:21 AM

thanks 85 ss .... is that bracket the stock piece ? were does the master cylinder rod hook up to?
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/15/08 12:41 AM

Yes, stock bracket. MC rod attached to the bolt in the bend of the pedal. Here's a pic of everything installed:
http://www.motortopia.com/files/cars/alb..._Thumbnail1.jpg
Posted By: 84ss355*4spd

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/15/08 03:58 AM

85 ss ...were can i get that rod that bolts to the pedal from the master? this is the MC i got off jegs check it out tell me what u think
thanks mat

http://www.jegs.com/p/Wilwood/744520/10002/-1
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/15/08 11:32 AM

That's a completely different setup, but it looks like it comes with it's own rod? I used factory F-body parts and it came with the rod and bolts right up with JohnB's pedal. You'll need to do some custom work to make that master work with your pedals.
Posted By: 84ss355*4spd

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/19/08 06:04 PM

i found a rod off jegs ! it will screw on the end of my master ! i think all i will have to do is drill a hole in the pedal arm and bolt it up here is a pick let me know what u think
Posted By: red/white04

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/15/08 01:15 AM

Need help identifying a world class t-5...I'm looking to convert...but want to make sure i dont get stuck with a weak 5speed...
Posted By: TPI Monte SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/15/08 02:42 AM

Surf on over to this page and you should find the info you need - http://www.5speeds.com/t5/index.html

Hope that helps!
Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/27/08 04:25 PM

Just wondering if anyone has looked at 68-72 Chevelle console for an MC?
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/10/08 03:08 AM

Well you can put me on the list!
Posted By: krazywhiteboy

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/18/08 12:20 AM

i just got an old BG super t-10 im getting ready to put in my 87 ss, just need a clutch thatll hold the power, a shifter and linkages, and get some 1 to make my a drive shaft other than that i cant wate to drive her!!!!
Posted By: ls1_monte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/03/09 02:15 AM

I've in the process of workin a t-56 into mine, not currently in the car but I have the tranny, hydraulic lines, John B clutch pedal, & Bill Rossi Shifter Boot. Hopefully a project that gets done soon!
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/04/09 05:45 AM

You'll fall in love again with your car, changes it's whole personality, makes it a new experience, you'll wonder why you didn't do it the first time. Good luck with the install, pretty cut and dry, I know you've read through all of John's install. http://www.montecarloss.com/ls1montecarloss/ More than enough info here to get the job done.
Bob
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/22/09 09:58 PM

Ok guys I need a hand, I think I may have another lead on a transmission for my swap. I need to know if this sounds like a good deal, and what out of this purchse will I actually be using...........

Thanxs in advance

[have everything minus the cross member. t56 has 22k on rebuild. I bought it with 20k and only put 2k on it , spec stage 3+(800ftlbs) clutch pressure plate and to bearing. cost $700.00 new. The set up will include pedals, brand new gm clutch master and slave with 2k on it, tq arm mount, shifter, bell, flywheel, all the bolts ready to bolt in. going to start by asking $1500.00 obo]
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/22/09 10:04 PM

doesnt sound like a bad deal! especially the OBO part laugh what are the pedals for though? i take it a new f body? would you invest the time trying to mod them or but john b's pedal? (his pedal is nice!) id say make an offer on the stuff that you need from the guy.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/22/09 10:04 PM

make sure its an lt1 f body tranny Houlie
Posted By: rons87mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/22/09 10:08 PM

Originally Posted By: onebadbowtie86
make sure its an lt1 f body tranny Houlie

It is, it is a 96.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/22/09 10:09 PM

LT1 F-Body car
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/22/09 10:15 PM

sorry, i didnt see where it said 96 laugh
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/22/09 10:17 PM

Originally Posted By: onebadbowtie86
sorry, i didnt see where it said 96 laugh


It didn't Ron is just a mind reader, LOL
Posted By: rons87mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/22/09 10:21 PM

worship confused<<<<<RON worship







Or maybe it's......
dunce RON dunce
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/22/09 10:37 PM

ok, now hurry up and go get it, and put it in! what are you doing for pedals?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/22/09 10:42 PM

Either John B, or original Elky ones
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/22/09 11:18 PM

i got a complete pedal assembly already modded with john b's pedal, and its a nice peice. its kind of a pain in the butt dealing with those pedals... its nice to have something that will just bolt in. good luck with your swap!
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/23/09 12:34 AM

Well like usual things change AGAIN. The T56 unit out of the 02 Camaro SS is now available. THe guy originally had someone put a deposit on the complete car, but he hasnt been around for 3 weeks, so he said that I can have the tranny for $1000.......

Looks like I'm making a trip to Maine instead of PA

...........least I'll save some $$$$$ on gas
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/23/09 12:51 AM

i dont beleive an ls1 tranny will work in your car, unless you get an expensive adapter.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/23/09 12:53 AM

Originally Posted By: onebadbowtie86
i dont beleive an ls1 tranny will work in your car, unless you get an expensive adapter.


not really that expensive
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/23/09 12:55 AM

oh, ok, as long as you know and have it figured out wink
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/23/09 12:57 AM

and those pedals you have, are they an extra set, or are they the ones you plan on using?
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/23/09 01:25 AM

they are in my car, i just put them in. i was just saying its a nice option.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/23/09 01:32 AM

Great to know, thanxs
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/24/09 11:10 PM

Ok.....so I bought my 6-spd, am i 1/2 a member?
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/09 03:55 AM

Hmmmmmm? I think you have to let the clutch out and roll first.
Bob
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/09 04:02 AM

LOL Your application is under review until further notice wink
Posted By: rons87mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/09 04:03 AM

I believe it is like a 3 step deal.....

1)Buy a bunch of parts.....

2)Buy yet even MORE parts, install most of the parts and have a few left over......

3a)Car then moves on it's own power again

~OR~

3b)Everyone on here says you are not allowed in this MMC until it does slap
Posted By: Joey_schel

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/26/09 05:27 AM

Are most of you guys with the T-56 using the LT1 starter to adapt to the flywheel?
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/26/09 05:33 AM

Good question, i was just planning on using my summit high torque mini starter.
Posted By: ss4ever

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/26/09 06:11 AM

I already had a LT1 starter on my SS and it worked just fine with my T5. I am pretty sure it is the same for a T56 as well.
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/26/09 12:49 PM

I replaced my original with a mini-starter during my T5 install.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/27/09 04:03 AM

YA!!!! The T-56 is in and it works!! put it all in tonight, By my self! for future reference, these tranny's dont like to balance on a floor jack, so be ready to bench press it in to place!
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/27/09 12:48 PM

Congrats Jason - take it for a spin yet??
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/27/09 02:23 PM

SWEET! Congrats!

The last 3 trans swaps I did, I borrowed a trans jack from a friend (they're $50 from harbor freight) and it made the job sooooo much easier.

Let us know how she drives!
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/27/09 06:07 PM

I wont know how it Drives till spring Guys, i actually havnt even started it. its on jack stands still. i put the tranny in gear, pushed the clutch in and spun the rear tires by hand, got them spinning then dropped the clutch and they stopped! maybee ill have it running today! i really do need to invest in a tranny jack, ive just always gotten by with a floor jack with auto's. im going out to my building right now to fill it with fluid and bolt on my hurst billet shifter!
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/27/09 07:01 PM

Im looking at ordering one of those abbot converter box's fo rmy speedo.... i looked into replacing my guages with electric ones, but i want to retain stock looking guages, and they said the box is adjustable for gear ratio's, so that kind of sold me. what do you guys think? for the price of the box and a stock 87-88 speedo off ebay ill still be under 400 bucks and look original.
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/27/09 10:26 PM

I read somewhere that the box lags a touch at takeoff, but other than that I haven't heard any complaints. The tailshaft conversion is nice and about the same price, but a little more complicated to install obviously (and only adjustable via speedo gears like older transmissions).
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 12:34 AM

well its officially official!!!! It runs and drives, tranny/ clutch work flawless!!!!! no about 5 feet of snow needs to melt!!!
Posted By: Courage68

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 12:42 AM

Originally Posted By: onebadbowtie86
well its officially official!!!! It runs and drives, tranny/ clutch work flawless!!!!! no about 5 feet of snow needs to melt!!!


Grats Dude ! , Ive been following your install for sometime now.

Welcome to the MMC
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 12:47 AM

Thanks man!! i might end up taking here out on the road tomorrow as they are dry right now, i just hate to because i know theres salt out there..... i cant wait to do some full throttle shifts now!
Posted By: rons87mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 12:48 AM

Congrats Jason thumbs
I bet the motor you have will keep you entertained for a while longer now for sure smile
I haven't even started my swap yet. Time is like an ice cube (literally) and I'm just waiting for it to melt. I am trying to have everything ready to bolt on/in by late April/early May.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 01:00 AM

are you still doing the l98 at the same time Ron? behind either of your motors, im sure a 5 speed would be alot more fun then the auto! i did my complete install in basically 2 partial days. im sure if you got everything you needed gathered up, you could hit it hard and get the majority done in a day. the trickiest part i thought was the pedals and getting the master cylinder lined up right. i had to pull my brake booster and re-do my master cylinder install today..... PITA!
Posted By: rons87mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 01:16 AM

Yep, L98/5 spd.
I figure the pedals/hydro setup will by far be the hardest part, but nothing I won't get figured out (thanks to this thread of people to pound for info laugh ). The motor will be the classic pull a V8 to swap in another V8 deal. All the 'tricky' components for the TPI have been done w/ the 305. Now it should unplug/plug in smile
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 01:26 AM

are you going to bolt the new tranny and everything up out of the car and drop in? or is everything already bolted up? is a wc t5 or just a t5? manual or hydraulic linkage?
Posted By: rons87mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 01:39 AM

WC/hydro linkage and I figure I should have no problems bench-pressing the massive 75lb ( laugh ) unit up into place after the motor/bell/clutch kit is installed.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 01:44 AM

wow, it only weighs 75 lbs? i can tell you one thing, the t56 weighs more then that!! Im a decent sized guy, 6'4 230 lbs, and i was struggling under there after the jack got kicked out of the way, im not joking, i litterally bench pressed that sucker into place. When i woke up this morning, my shoulders and arms were sore from putting it in. It would have helped to have another set of hands, but you know how some guys get when you ask for help when theres work involved, or a chance at getting dirty laugh you gonna do any other mods to the l98, like a hotter cam? maybee a zz4 cam or anything?
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 03:12 AM

Originally Posted By: onebadbowtie86
Thanks man!! i might end up taking here out on the road tomorrow as they are dry right now, i just hate to because i know theres salt out there..... i cant wait to do some full throttle shifts now!


I did the same last December - I couldn't help myself... any time the roads were dry, I was out there laugh


And yes - the T5 is easy enough to manhandle... as long as you don't have to hold it up there that long LOL It's the awkward position(s) that get your arms tired in a hurry. IIRC, the T56 is more like 120lbs dry.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 03:18 AM

i must be getting soft, laying under the car it like it weighed about 200 lbs! laugh im glad its all in and done with. It was an awesome learning experience! Thats probable the part i like most about doing swaps like this though, and geral wrenching! did you use hydraulic setup for your tranny Kevin?
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 03:42 AM

I was just like you - I didn't know the first thing about manual transmissions when I first started looking into the swap. I even had to go on howstuffworks or something to watch a video of how the clutch operates etc. That's one thing that's so nice about doing all the work yourself, is that when you finish the job you know it inside and out (and you can say "I did it myself" laugh ).

And yes - I'm using an LT1 (93-97) hydraulic assembly with JohnB's pedal and an 84-92 F-body bellhousing.

PS - the little 75lbs T5 feels a lot heavier when you're on your back in awkward positions too! LOL The T56 I would definitely want to get lined up on first stab!
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 03:56 AM

At about 120 for a T56 all I can say is, "you da man". I borrowed an auto trans jack from a friend's shop and screwed a plywood cradle to the jack, sat the trans on that. At the time of my install I was still young, 50, and knew playing golf was still something I enjoyed, no way was muscling that thing going to happen. Oh yea, the adapter plates adds 20lbs to the lift.

Congrads on the install, enjoy the ride.
Bob
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 04:04 AM

Kevin, funny you should mention the how stuff works site, i actually went on you tube and found a manual tranny install and it showed how everything went together, actually gave me a real good idea! and Bob, i dont look forward to removing this thing if i ever have to, and if i do, ill get a tranny jack!
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 04:18 AM

Just don't get a trans jack adapter - those things are useless... mine went right back once I saw how high it sat on the jack - not a chance you could roll a trans out on it.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 04:35 AM

When I was a kid put lots of Muncie's in, by myself. About that time a friend's 69 Dodge R/T, 4 spd, clutch went. Found out real quick that a Chysler New Process 4 spd was no Muncie, a hundred pounder.

Even with my rockers panels being 24" off the ground when the install was done I still had to take the trans off the trans jack to get it out from under the car.

Correction, T56 115 lbs.
Bob
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 04:47 AM

my frame rails were about 21 inches off of the ground, so it was a little awkward putting the tranny in by my self, it doesnt help my arms are about 10 feet long. a down fall to being tall is i dont work well in tight spaceslaugh could be worse. really doing tranny swaps in these cars, auto's or sticks arent to bad, ive done worse.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 05:57 AM

Is there a big difference between mechanical linkage and hydraulic? i how they work, but is there a different feel betwen them, or pro's vs cons about one or the other?
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 12:32 PM

I've never driven a car with a mechanical clutch linkage, but there is a better feel from what I hear (and it makes sense). The downside is less clearance, some maintenance (bushings etc), and you have to adjust every now and then.

Hydraulic can be a pain if you need to bleed it, but it's self adjusting, and unless the master/slave/line goes on you, there is zero maintenance. I would also assume it's smoother, and easier to operate depending on the clutch of choice.

I originally planned on going mechanical, even bought the 606 bell fork, but decided to go hydraulic when I got nearly everything with my trans.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 10:34 PM

I took it out and drove it down the road, alls ican say is WOW!!! 10x more fun!!!! she's a rippin beotch!!!!
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 10:37 PM

The difference is unbelieveable isn't it?
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 10:40 PM

oh my god, nuts! on dry pavement i was still laying rubber through 4th gear, shifting at 6,500. i think my motor actually might be starting to knock, pretty good.... im having another more knowledgeable motor head come over in the next few days to give me his opinion. if it is, im pulling the motor and ordering a forged 383 rotating assembly.
Posted By: rons87mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 11:05 PM

Well, I guess a standard does give the tach more of a workout too (at least all the cars I have had with a standard trans got run ALOT harder smile )
Jason, yes I picked up a ZZ4 cam for the L98.
That is all I have planned for it unless I take it for a test drive and end up needing a new bottom end poke (J/K, hopefully it isn't anything serious.....or maybe you are hoping it is think )
Posted By: weak302

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/09 11:26 PM

Congrats Jason! Just wait for the double takes when someone realizes that you just shifted the car manually.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/29/09 03:06 AM

just from driving it down the road, i want to go and do it again, and again, and again! i can see where the 6th gear is almost unnecessary though, have to be going pretty fast to use that eh? 4:10's may be in the future... i almost with there was something between the 4:10 and 4:56 i could run, like a 4:30.......
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/29/09 03:08 AM

oh, i was also worrying about the reverse lockout, but its not bad at all just to push throug it for anyone wondering. ilso had a q for you guys... i installed my f body floor boot todat, and i found i wasnt able to use the rubber boot that came with my hurst billet shifter, i took the actual boot off of the shift, then installed the floor boot. ill get a pic tomorrow, but does this sound normal?
Posted By: montessnut

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/30/09 01:17 AM

You got one bad ss I just became a member not to long ago. I got an 86 monte ss 1969 350 with a 4 speed saginaw march performance serpentine pulley set 4 speed hurst V gate in line shifter no more H patern. every thing is chromed out and electric fan. it just sucks because i have been through 10 sets of headers. Its making me nuts once i get the right headers i will take some pics right now she sleeping in the garage cause there is 10 inches of snow outside. she in the heated garage.a couple of guys are trying to help me out. I hope these doug thorly 305-c will work with the linkage. You got any ideas. thank tom orange county ny
Posted By: montessnut

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/10/09 10:28 PM

I got an 86 monte ss with a 1969 350 march performance sepentine pulley set up electric fan 4 speed saginaw true daul cross member. but i cant find the right headers I e mailed some of you guys to help me out its getting warm in Orange County Ny I need to get her going Tom
Posted By: Joey_schel

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/11/09 05:26 PM

Hey all you guys with the t-56.. How much did you chop the driveshaft by? I've been told 2 or 3 inches. It would be nice to know beforehand instead of measuring, and send it out right away
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/11/09 08:49 PM

Each T56 install is a different length driveshaft, no standard length for any of the 4 options. The 4 are, LT1, LS1, LS1 retro fitted for use with a standard chevy bell and the Aftermarket T56.

Also whichever rear you use will make a driveshaft length difference. Basically 4 rear choices, 7 1/2", 8 1/2", 12 bolts or Ford 9". All require a different length driveshaft.

Do the install first, find out from whoever is doing the shaft shortening what method of measurement of length they use, not all shaft people use the same method. Measure twice, cut once.
Bob
Posted By: Joey_schel

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/11/09 10:37 PM

Ah yep i should have specified.. An LT1 with stock rearend.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/11/09 10:51 PM

3"
Posted By: ss4ever

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/16/09 03:30 AM

Anyone with a T5 check out this post:

http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=646392#Post646392

With that throwout bearing you can get by with regular long tube headers and not have any troubles with the clutch slave getting in the way. I wish I had known that was available for a T5 when I did my swap, I could have re-used my headers.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/16/09 03:56 AM

do you have mechanical linkage now Randy?
Posted By: ss4ever

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/16/09 04:07 AM

Nope I have the stock F-body hydrolic system from the 90 Camaro I parted out.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/16/09 04:08 AM

it interfered with your headers? what kind of headers?
Posted By: ss4ever

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/16/09 04:19 AM

Flowtech longtubes. The bracket on the side of the bellhousing wouldn't even clear the headers without the slave cylinder on it.

I ended up buying a set of Shorty style headers for my car but the primary tubes are only 1 1/2" which was fine on the 305 but I am sure they are holding back my 355 that is in the car now.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/16/09 04:23 AM

For what its worth, i have flowtech afterburner long tubes on my car, and theres plenty of clearance with the t56.
Posted By: greatape420

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/20/09 04:37 PM

m 20 muncie fresh rebuilt,621 bellhousing,stock 168 tooth flywheel,ZOOM clutch,1999 Camaro pedals modified,1999 camaro master cylinder,custom line and RAM hydraulic relese bearing.been compiling parts for 1 year gettin ready 2 put in.should be fun!
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/28/09 03:53 PM

For all the T-56 guys, converting the tail shaft to a mechanical speedo I keep looking around for some but shiftworks http://www.shiftworks.com/tailhousing.htm wants $725 (minus 175 if you send in your tail shaft) for a converted tail shaft, $550 seems a bit steep.

JTR http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Parts_T56-005_pp6-3_6-4.html shows a kit for a conversion but cant find any real prices and from the looks of it you could almost make the parts yourself if you took your time.

Or the alternative would be going digital and dakota digital has the VSS signal converter for about $75 and a speedo starts around $200.

Still really want to do this conversion keep finding complete t56's on ebay for around 1700 but to add another couple hundred seems to tip the scales against doing this.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/28/09 04:00 PM

Im dont with my t-56 swap, except for the speedo..... A little while ago i saw the mech. speedo tailhousing for the t-56 for $300 on ebay, and i should have bought it......still debating on what i want to do....
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/28/09 04:27 PM

mymonte-ss - your other option is the Abbot Cable-X converter box for about $300:

http://www.abbott-tach.com/cablex.htm
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/28/09 05:03 PM

Originally Posted By: 85_SS
mymonte-ss - your other option is the Abbot Cable-X converter box for about $300:

http://www.abbott-tach.com/cablex.htm


thats seems like the way I'm going to go
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/28/09 08:35 PM

Anyone tried the Cable-X? seems potentially un-reliable or durable for the long haul taking a VSS signal and using it to drive what has to be an electric motor. Wish I had a tail shaft to play with cause I think I could mod it myself with little trouble, and for a lot less than what these guys are selling them for.

Wish GM would have waited to change the speedo until LS series engines.
Posted By: shockerman80

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/04/09 04:31 PM

home rebuilt 96-T-56 -john b clutch pedal -ram power grip clutch-stock hydraulics-dennys nitrous ready driveshaft
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/23/09 08:44 PM

Here's a great link I came across on mating the various T56's to a SBC... it's a first gen F-body site, but most of it will apply to our cars:

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=98387

Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/24/09 10:23 PM

Just got back from sunny Florida.......

Tranny is Mounted to the engine, and the hole is cut in the floor for the shifter. Custom crossmember is in also

Hydraulics seem to be all thats left....

Getting close
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/25/09 02:40 AM

What about pedals Ron?!?!?!
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/25/09 10:44 AM

working on it........hey I havent seen my car in 7 days

cut me some slack, LOL
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/25/09 10:40 PM

ok anyone with Hydraulics.......where did you mount the resevoir?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/25/09 10:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Houlie
ok anyone with Hydraulics.......where did you mount the resevoir?


and pics would be nice too
Posted By: Clutch_Grabwell

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/25/09 10:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Houlie
ok anyone with Hydraulics.......where did you mount the resevoir?

Just barely visible at the top...
Right where your line-lock is mounted. poke
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/25/09 10:51 PM

Thnx Frank
Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/25/09 11:31 PM

Mines in the same spot, I used the Camaro bracket.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/25/09 11:37 PM

Do you have a part number for the bracket? Where did you get it?
Thanks
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/26/09 12:03 AM

Originally Posted By: FrankOC
Mines in the same spot, I used the Camaro bracket.


Did you have to modify it at all Frank....Firewalls are different I thought
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/26/09 12:51 AM

It bolts to one of the brake booster studs:


Posted By: Clutch_Grabwell

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/26/09 01:03 AM

I didn't get a bracket with the T-56 package.
The (homemade) bracket doesn't show up well but it is attached by the master cylinder nut and offsets to the other end of the reservoir. The inboard mounting hole was enlarged to fit over the booster stud.
Okay, it's not that sophisticated but it's easy to find...

Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/26/09 02:06 AM

Originally Posted By: TURNA
Do you have a part number for the bracket? Where did you get it?
Thanks


Sorry, I don't. It came out of a 92 camaro.
Posted By: nycitis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/26/09 03:28 AM

You will never be able to find that bracket easily, just make one its about 5 bucks if that.
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/26/09 12:05 PM

thirdgen.org is your friend wink (F-bodies make great parts cars laugh )
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/29/09 01:25 PM











..............almost there all the way
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/29/09 10:07 PM

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/29/09 11:02 PM

What bell housing is that Houlie, did you go with the Weir unit?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/30/09 09:02 PM

Originally Posted By: John S
What bell housing is that Houlie, did you go with the Weir unit?


Yes it is...........nice eye
Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/01/09 01:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Houlie
Originally Posted By: John S
What bell housing is that Houlie, did you go with the Weir unit?


Yes it is...........nice eye


Well, considering I put that unit in my car two years ago I thought I recognized it. Until now I thought I was the only one running it. Did you go for the full setup up including the hydraulic TO bearing?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/01/09 01:25 AM

Yes we are using the hydraulic TO bearing. Right now waiting for the Aluminum driveshaft to come back from being cut and balanced. Then the exhaust and driveshaft loop can be finished, then the hydraulic lines can be layed out and installed
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/01/09 01:26 AM

John....do you remember what clutch and flywheel you ended up using?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/03/09 10:21 PM

Ok guys I need some help from those of you running the Hydraulics with the T-56 set-up

Any pics of where you mounted the resevior for the hydraulics?

And any inside pics of the pedals, specifically where the rod comes through the
firewall, or if you have a measurement down from the stock location

We've run into a bit of a road block with this

Thnxs

Houlie
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/03/09 10:24 PM

Also where did you guys mount your Abbott Converter Box?
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/03/09 10:42 PM

Originally Posted By: Houlie
Also where did you guys mount your Abbott Converter Box?


Im waiting for you to get done wity your install of the abott box before i order mine....Im leaning more towards this route and now i think im going to take it, andim going to keep m y stock speedo. If i want to see how fast im going if im going over 85, i have my gps.
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/04/09 07:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Houlie
Ok guys I need some help from those of you running the Hydraulics with the T-56 set-up

Any pics of where you mounted the resevior for the hydraulics?


You already asked that question, go back one page poke

Originally Posted By: Houlie
And any inside pics of the pedals, specifically where the rod comes through the
firewall, or if you have a measurement down from the stock location

We've run into a bit of a road block with this

Thnxs

Houlie


I have pics of the master coming through the firewall on my page, complete with JohnB's image with the measurements for the mounting holes. Or check out JohnB's page - the info is out there smile


P.S. What's taking so long? wink
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/04/09 09:45 PM

Originally Posted By: 85_SS

P.S. What's taking so long? wink


The shop works on it when they dont have any "regular" work to do.......Saving on the labor costs that way, and I got "free" storage for the better part of the winter that way, LOL

The hold up was the bellhousing mainly. Between getting wrong information form non-knowing sources, and then when I did find the right one (Weir), it took them almost 2 weeks just to ship (must been a Ford delivery truck)

Ended up getting an aluminum Drive shaft from a Crown Vic, and then my aluminum fabricator lost power to his shop for close to a week

If you add up all the unforseen delays, then yeah it is taking a while to get done, but the finish product will both look correct and perform correct.....so with me knowing that, it will be done, when its done, LOL
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/04/09 09:48 PM

Have you found out where your going to mount the abbot box? do you hook it up to the factory speedo cable?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/04/09 10:40 PM

Originally Posted By: 85_SS
Or check out JohnB's page - the info is out there smile


Holy Crap I just read his complete write up................talk about attention to detail in fabrication and installation description...I am blown away
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/04/09 10:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Onebadbowtie86
Have you found out where your going to mount the abbot box? do you hook it up to the factory speedo cable?


Emailed JohnB......funny thing, as detailed as his write up is, I coculdnt find anything on his site saying where he mounted his Abbott box, LOL

I'll let you know what he says
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/04/09 10:46 PM

Thanks!
Posted By: halfdozenbuzen

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/07/09 12:30 AM

Originally Posted By: John S
[quote=Houlie][quote=John S]What bell housing is that Houlie, did you go with the Weir unit?


What hydralics setup did you go with any pictures. It looks like you used Wiers bellhousing and TO Bearing was it a pain to bleed seeing there isnt a bleeder on it like the factory units. I tried using the factory hole where the old cruise control wiring came though seeing this is the hole they used of factory stick car. But the wilwood is hitting the bottom of the brake booster and the car already has the smallest factory booster. I was thinking about going lower but want to watch the angle on the rod to the Master for the clutch/wilwood setup. Thank you
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/07/09 12:34 AM

A factory '84-97 F-body master (I would assume '98-02 is the same as well) will bolt up with the mounting holes drilled in the correct location, even with the large diameter single diaphragm booster. JohnB's clutch pedal is a bolt in for all '84-97 F-body hydraulics. I'm not sure if the factory '98-02 F-body hydraulic throwout bearing can be used with the parts you have chosen, but Wier should be able to help you out there.
Posted By: halfdozenbuzen

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/07/09 01:12 AM

You cant use factory parts from what I can see. Seeing they have there own TO bearing setup. Ron received the factory parts when he bought the tranny and they hook up different on the TO..
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/07/09 01:15 AM

Are adapters a possibility? Would a factory throwout bearing work with the Weir bellhousing?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/07/09 01:19 AM

I'm off to bed, its been a long day with the wife's surgery and work.......I'll let you guys solve my Hydraulic clutch problem
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/07/09 01:21 AM

I know one solution, but you'd have to use the adapter you bought and getting an '84-92 F-body bellhousing (w/ 93-97 hydraulics) wink John S will be able to point you in the right direction with the aftermarket parts though...
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/07/09 01:24 AM

geeez Houlie, you should have just gotten an lt1 t56 and been done with it a long time ago laugh poke
Posted By: halfdozenbuzen

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/07/09 03:06 PM

No his setup needs his TO bearing kind of a way to lock the buyer in on having to use his parts. Maybe the guy that used his setup can give some insight on what he used. I hate kits that dont include all the info or pics on whats been done or where to put the parts he recommended. pullhair
Posted By: SPR-PWR

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/07/09 09:29 PM

Running a Dodge Viper T56 in mine
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/07/09 10:37 PM

Originally Posted By: SPR-PWR
Running a Dodge Viper T56 in mine


Any details on what was requied to bolt it up? I've seen some decent deals on Viper T56's and I know they are quite strong, but there is little info out there on what's required to mate one to a SBC.
Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/08/09 11:50 PM

Sorry guys, I'm just catching up on this thread but I'll add what I can.

  • First off, the John B Pedal will not work with the Weir TO bearing since the F body MC does not put out enough volume. The US brake/Weir MC is a 7/8" or 1" bore (IIRC) the F body is significantly smaller.
  • Second, Mounting the MC in the cruise hole has some weird angles, I was never happy with the way it turned out and pedal ratio would have been horrible. If someone does get it to work reasonably post up some pics i would love to see it.
  • Third, there are other aftermarket hydrailic TO bearings that will work, you just need to make careful measurments to ensure that you have the proper feeplay and travel to work correctly. Some of these TO Bearings may work with the John B pedal and F body MC.

Now for my Setup. Since I run a Hydroboost I mounted my MC on a plate next to it as you can see in the picture. Originally I had the push rod come straight through the hole I drilled in the firewall but the pedal ratio was so bad that I actually strained the muscles in the ball of my foot. Last year removed the entire pedal assy including the brake and clutch MC and mocked them up on the bench to work out the pedal ratio problem.
One of the things I considered was to use a push/pull cable assembly. After a lot of thought I decided it was not going to work since there was not enough room under the dash to mount the cable clamps and get enough travel to actuate the clutch.
Instead I went back to basics and simplicity.
What I ended up doing was to calculate the proper distance from the pivot point to the mc rod for a 6-1 ratio. I have all my calculations written down but I think they are buried out in the garage somewhere. If I remember right I ended up with the mount about 2.5" from the pivot to get the proper ratio.
Once I had the proper distance I bent a Z rod from 5/16 drill rod so that the travel between the top arm and bottom arm were parallel and spaced apart correctly.
The final step to making it all work was to remove the stock push rod from the MC. I did this because with the stock push rod in place there was not enough room to mount a threaded couple to join the push rod to the z arm I made. Instead the Z arm was left long enough to replace the push rod and provide enough length to fully depress the MC piston. On the opposite end I mounted a Heim joint to the end of the Z rod and that mounts to the pedal.
I know that this may sound very complicated but it really isn't and it took me about 4 hours total to remove everything, fab the Z bar and test it on the bench then reinstall and bleed the system. It's been working great since and pedal pressure is a breeze.



Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/09/09 12:17 AM

Ok John........thats clear up some stuff for me, but leaves out where you mounted that dang speedo converter box, LOL
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/09/09 12:28 AM

Got the Master Cylinder installed today............big sigh of relief........





I see Fuel lines all connected too....

Pedals are in too......Just for Mock up, needed to be taken out and painted before final install













Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/09/09 12:45 AM

Originally Posted By: Houlie
Ok John........thats clear up some stuff for me, but leaves out where you mounted that dang speedo converter box, LOL

Speedo converter box?? I dont need no stinking converter box!!!

I've got Autometer Phantom gauges, direct to the tranny:)
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/09/09 12:55 AM

Originally Posted By: John S
Originally Posted By: Houlie
Ok John........thats clear up some stuff for me, but leaves out where you mounted that dang speedo converter box, LOL

Speedo converter box?? I dont need no stinking converter box!!!

I've got Autometer Phantom gauges, direct to the tranny:)


DAMN YOU
Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/09/09 01:05 AM

Houlie, where do you plan to mount the pushrod to the clutch pedal arm?
If you go straight out to it you may not be happy with the pedal ratio.
Measure the length of the pedal, from the pivot point to the center of the pedal (A). then measure from the pivot point to the pushrod mount point (B).
Divide A/B to get your pedal ratio. You;re looking for around 5.5-6 to 1.
The other problem you may face is that total travel may be too much for the MC forcing you to mount pedal stops that will only give you about 1" of actual pedal travel.
You will want your pushrod to mount approximately 2-1/4" from the pivot point to get the proper length of travel with proper pedal ratio.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/09/09 01:11 AM

Originally Posted By: John S
Houlie, where do you plan to mount the pushrod to the clutch pedal arm?
If you go straight out to it you may not be happy with the pedal ratio.
Measure the length of the pedal, from the pivot point to the center of the pedal (A). then measure from the pivot point to the pushrod mount point (B).
Divide A/B to get your pedal ratio. You;re looking for around 5.5-6 to 1.
The other problem you may face is that total travel may be too much for the MC forcing you to mount pedal stops that will only give you about 1" of actual pedal travel.
You will want your pushrod to mount approximately 2-1/4" from the pivot point to get the proper length of travel with proper pedal ratio.


Thanxs for the insight, I will pass it along to Paul (halfdozenbuzen)
Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/09/09 01:17 AM

Sorry Houlie, I know how frustrating it can be. I racked my brain out over this when i was setting up. I'll offer whatever help I can.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/09/09 01:19 AM

Thanxs
Posted By: MAP

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/09/09 10:22 PM

Greetings Folks,

If I could interrupt the progression of this thread just a bit...

I'm really intrigued by switching to a manual transmission as I'm reading about the great work you folks have done here. The problem is that I've never driven a manual transmission in my whole life (I guess I can't admit that without appearing to be at least a bit of a wimp, but it's true.) I'm also not naturally very well coordinated in my feet.

This being the case, if I were to switch to a manual transmission behind a 500hp (+/-) motor, and if I were to make at least some kind of attempt to learn to drive a manual transmission in some "ordinary" car first, what are the odds that I could eventually learn to shift naturally and quickly enough so that it would become reflexive for me? Or does shifting a manual always require lots of attention and skill?

I'm especially concerned about launching from idle, and how to handle emergency stops without stalling the motor.

Thanks,
MAP
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/09/09 10:46 PM

Mark - give it a try on any daily driver type car/truck and see how you like it. I also never drove standard (other than a couple feeble attempts) until I bought my 5-speed Saturn as a DD a few years back. While it takes some concentration at first, it quickly becomes second nature and makes driving ANY vehicle much more enjoyable IMO. It got to the point that I was extremely bored driving the Monte around, and that's when I knew I had to convert it to a manual transmission. I've gone from never driving a standard vehicle to all three of my vehicles being 5-speeds now. The only auto in the driveway is the wife's Jetta. She drove standard vehicles all her life (Sunfire, Jeep) and wanted an auto for a change. If you drive in traffic, a standard DD will get annoying. But for your "toy", it's not even an option for me anymore smile

I would say it doesn't take any more co-ordination and skill than it did when you learned how to drive at 16. Most people don't have good foot co-ordination, but your body will quickly adjust. I remember the first time my father put me behind the wheel and I hit the gas - I didn't have much co-ordination there either and never expected the throttle to be so senstitive. Coming from someone who thought "what's the big deal with standard transmissions" and "why have old technology when your car can shift for you"... I now understand the fun factor, not to mention how much nicer it is to have more complete control of a car. Automatic transmissions are actually quite annoying now as they seem to never shift how/when you want them to - something you don't really think of when you aren't used to a standard car.

As for launching from idle - every car varies a bit (ie. my Saturns are quite different from the Monte), but once you are used to driving standard, you can drive most anything. Taking off is really the only part that really takes getting used to - shifting all other gears is nearly impossible to screw up. I've never driven anything with anywhere near 500hp, but again, you'd get used to it (start with something smaller though). With an emergency stop, you just depress the clutch at the same time you brake, and if necessary, put it in neutral or a lower gear. As mentioned above, everything is second nature in no time. One thing I did when I started was to google some ideas on how to learn and I found some good tips, once you know the basics to get rolling, you figure everything out once you start driving.

Hope this helps - feel free to ask any other questions if you're curious beer

Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/09/09 11:32 PM

go and test drive a new car with someone who know how to drive a stick......when you round the corner of the dealership, switch seats, and learn......

thats how my dad taught me
Posted By: nycitis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/10/09 02:01 AM

As the old saying goes....if you can't find them grind them...lol. Kidding.....As 85 said just go out and learn. If you can swing it get yourself a 300 beater and learn that way also...Once you drive a standard you will never want to drive an auto. As for emergency stopping drop it in neutral and you stop the as you normally would. Seriously it will become very second nature to you!!!
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/10/09 03:21 AM

MAP, if you ever rode a bicycle it's the same thing, you fall down a couple time and laugh about that a few years later.

One thing a manual does, especially when the hp goes up is give you more control of the car. I find one of the sweetest things about a 6 spd is downshifting to slow for exit ramps, or just a nice corner.

The downside is it ain't no sticking auto when accelerating, you do have to work at it. If you live in the hills, pulling out in 1st can be a PITA. launching takes practice.

My 6 spd I did in 02 and NEVER regretted it, best mod I did to the car, best money spent. It changes the whole personality of the car.
Bob
Posted By: MAP

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/10/09 06:33 PM

Thanks for the explanations and the encouragement. This is a tough obstacle to overcome: it's as if I were coming to a group of people and asking what a hamburger tastes like, without ever having tasted meat before.

But it really mostly does come down to making sure I can assimilate this to the point of it all becoming second nature. I don't want to have to make emergency manuevers and actually have to think about where to put my hands and feet at very moment in time during that manuever. It's got to become as thoughtless as riding a bicycle - that was a good analogy.

Aside from that, the things I like about a manual are: 1.) reduced weight; 2.) 20-50hp freed-up from the motor which no longer needs to drive the tranny pump if an automatic; 3.) precise control of shifts; 4.) improved fuel economy as a result of the aforementioned and as a result of not needing to overcome converter stall.

There's also that vague "fun factor" that everyone is speaking of, and which I need to take on faith at this point.

Best,
MAP
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/10/09 07:08 PM

Depending on which trans is used will determine if the car will lose weight when the 200R is swapped out. In my case removing the 200R and installing the aftermarket T56 was a weight gain. The complete 200R setup was 190 lb, the T56 install was 210, these numbers didn't include the clutch pedal and linkage. Since then I have installed a Lakewood bell with block plate, a 5 lb heavier flywheel, so I would guess I'm about 60 lb heavier than a 200 installed. A T5 or Muncie would reduce this weight.

It seems every time I mod the car it get fatter. It's at 3610, full tank, no driver presently. A fat boy!
Bob
Posted By: TPI Monte SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/11/09 02:30 AM

As everyone else has said, it becomes second nature to you. It's definitely my favorite mod to the car as well - so glad I did it. And if anything, the extra HP and torque make it easier to drive and take off smoothly. I've driven some low-power stick cars (old VW Jetta, '77 Datsun B210) and they were tricky to get off the line. By contrast, my Monte, and the '02 Z06 Vette I've driven, were a cake-walk to launch in 1st gear; just let out on the clutch and tap the throttle, and you're rolling.
Posted By: halfdozenbuzen

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/17/09 03:08 PM

Originally Posted By: nycitis
Not mine but 100% the same as far as mounting goes.





Do you know how this setup ended up working out I see he taped into the slave with an An Aeroquip style fitting. Was there any problem leaks pressure and big question how was the pedal.??? Thank you
Posted By: halfdozenbuzen

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/18/09 07:41 PM

Banging head against wall...

http://image.chevyhiperformance.com/f/9085516/0507chp_gbody_05_z.jpg



http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/techarticles/0507chp_keisler_g_body_transmission_swap/index.html
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/18/09 07:53 PM

is that an old or new article??
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/18/09 09:48 PM



If anyone's looking for me, I'll be in my barn with a rope tied around my neck...........

WTF
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/18/09 09:49 PM

OLD ARTICLE!!!!!

Keisler stopped making it long ago because it didn't work
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/18/09 10:07 PM

Yes, there is a huge thread over at maliburacing by a guy who used this kit and had all kinds of problems. Best sticking with factory parts IMO as they are practically a bolt in anyways.
Posted By: UpstateNYer

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/19/09 11:49 PM

Originally Posted By: halfdozenbuzen
Do you know how this setup ended up working out I see he taped into the slave with an An Aeroquip style fitting. Was there any problem leaks pressure and big question how was the pedal.??? Thank you


Russell make that adapter, I used it on my third gen slave and master with a braided line. It installs just like the factory with the roll pin and quad ring. No problems with leaks, and it also allows you to crack the line at the slave cylinder when bleeding the master.
Posted By: nycitis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/22/09 01:01 PM

This should be in here just in case someone else needs or wants to do this mod.....(btw if you are using stock f-body pedals and haven't modded them, other that just the ears to fit the firewall; then you do NOT have to the mod for the internal stop.)


http://ls1tech.com/forums/manual-transmission/317767-stock-adjustable-master-cylinder-writeup.html
Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 12:56 AM

Been quiet the last few days....
How are you making out Houlie?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 12:58 AM

Everything is in. Hydraulic master cylinder, pedals, connection to the pedals, etc.....Just finishing up on minor wiring details and then hopefully cranking the motor over soon
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:01 AM

Ron, did you install the abbot box yet?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:14 AM

Originally Posted By: Onebadbowtie86
Ron, did you install the abbot box yet?


yup
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:18 AM

Can you share some details with me? any pics of it? This is the route im going to take.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:18 AM

nope, LOL
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:22 AM

Please?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:23 AM

pretty please?
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:24 AM

Whats it going to take for you to spill the beans??
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:25 AM

LOL. I removed the ashtry (which I never use) and mounted it there. The box is black (except for 2 screws which I touched up w/ black paint) and it blends excellent in that spot, cant even see it unless you know what your looking for
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:29 AM

Oh, you put it in the interior? does it come with a cable that plugs right into the stock speedo then? Are the dip switches hard to adjust? Do you have a pic of it mounted or anything?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:32 AM

Originally Posted By: Onebadbowtie86
Oh, you put it in the interior? does it come with a cable that plugs right into the stock speedo then? Are the dip switches hard to adjust? Do you have a pic of it mounted or anything?


Yes interior

Yes comes with the cable to plug into stock speedo

Easy to adjust switches? havent moved car yet, so dont know correct setting

and no pic yet of mounting


Yes I know I'm slipping... I've actually been enjoying riding my bike and not worrying about the car lately
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:37 AM

Im sure your car will be done before mine, so i guess ill have to pry some more info out of you soon. How much speedo cable comes with the box? could you mount it where the stock computer was?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:40 AM

No not enough cable to run it clear acrosss to where the stock Computer goes

I was going to try up behind the radio, but like I said I dont use the ashtray, and I'm sure its going to take a couple of time to get the right setting for the speedo to work correctly, so I opted for an easy accessible area

I'll get you some pics of it
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:43 AM

Cool, thanks Ron! I dont have my ash tray either as i have my oil and temp guage down there. I wonder if you could run the cable through the firewall and mount the box under the hood...
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:48 AM

Probaly could, or you might be able to get it behind your guages where your ashtray used to be
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/28/09 01:50 AM

Im sure mine will end up where yours is, ijustdont know how large this thing actually is.
Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/29/09 01:16 PM

Houlie,
How about pictures of how you finally mounted the MC and pushrod to the pedal.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/29/09 09:38 PM

Originally Posted By: John S
Houlie,
How about pictures of how you finally mounted the MC and pushrod to the pedal.


scrapped the wildwood one and went with the F-Body one instead, in the "stock" location

Posted By: gmguy3car

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/29/09 10:21 PM

Ya I still want a better m/c when the time is right down the road, on a budget I used the 'stock' m/c from the 91 T-5, Who knows maybe a 80-100,000 miles on it?, after a clutch or so it did fail and I got a raybestos unit in there now, you'll be having lot's of fun when it's completed!
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/30/09 11:01 PM

With the T-56 tranny are you using the Monte tranny mount or the F-Body?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/30/09 11:16 PM

Originally Posted By: TURNA
With the T-56 tranny are you using the Monte tranny mount or the F-Body?


custom one
Posted By: Crusher

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/30/09 11:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Onebadbowtie86
Ron, did you install the abbot box yet?

I think he went with the Costello version.....
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/30/09 11:50 PM

Originally Posted By: Houlie
Originally Posted By: TURNA
With the T-56 tranny are you using the Monte tranny mount or the F-Body?


custom one


Ok

did you make it?

did you buy it????

Where did you get it???
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/01/09 12:18 AM

I think he means custom crossmember - but perhaps they made a custom mount as well?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/01/09 12:34 AM

my Mechanic made it...I can ask him how much another one would cost if you'd like
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/01/09 12:48 AM

he custom made a trans mount? is it a solid mount?

I am not talking about the crossmember, just the mount between the trans and crossmember
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/01/09 12:51 AM

Originally Posted By: TURNA
he custom made a trans mount? is it a solid mount?

I am not talking about the crossmember, just the mount between the trans and crossmember


I'm talking the crossmember
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/01/09 01:02 AM

ok so do u know what mount he used?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/01/09 01:04 AM

f body
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/01/09 01:12 AM

great thanks
Posted By: 85SScarman

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/02/09 02:37 AM

Well guys i am almost ready to throw in my T56 i have everything except for the Iceman Crossmember but thats going to be ordered by the end of next week but i need all of the torque specs as in bellhousing to block trans to bellhousing flywheel to crank pressure plate to fly wheel and also the shifter fork if it has one and also how tight is just tight enough on the shifter fork and on the master/slave cylinder on the bellhousing the trans is a 93 LT1 style T56 thanks with any help on this issue
Posted By: 85SScarman

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/03/09 08:39 PM

Also i have heard that the pilot bearing needs to have some high temp lube on it b4 its installed is that true and is there any other lil details that would be handy
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/05/09 12:12 PM

Just picked up my 1995 T-56 with pedals and all. Now its time to start putting it back together.

I think we need to start another sticky with lessons learned, specs on how people set up their pedals, gauges, computer etc etc. Looking for pics and anything else to help expedite my conversion.
Posted By: nycitis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/05/09 12:55 PM

Shoot me an email I have done this swap twice in both my monte's.

Its all been covered in many post but I will write it again real quick. If you have the pedals I would say then the easiest is to cut the lower ears of the G-body pedal and weld them on the f-body pedal. Use your cruise control hole its in the right spot and make the slave rod adjustable because you will need the extra travel to fully disengage the clutch and not further hack away at the f-body pedals...Other will say you can use the John B pedal, but I don't know if you want to spend on pedals since you have them already and they will work!

As far as gauges two choices use aftermarket or some electric to mechanical speedo (they are pricey)

Crossmemeber take the stock one cut the front mount off flip it upside down and weld it back on about 1/4" in lower - done. Or spend some coin on an iceman / g-force / or summit - jegs one.

Read through this post it will give you a pretty good idea of whats out there and who is using what. There really is no one way to do this swap! I see you have an 87 so you can run the stock lt1 flywheel and clutch if you want also.
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/05/09 04:22 PM

Thanks, I think the overall conversion should be pretty straight forward. Thanks for the advice on the X-member I already had to mod it for the 700 that was in there, but I think I just added a piece to extend the tongue, guess Ill hack that off then flip the other piece. Should be easy since the frame is off the car right now. The Pedals will be my biggest challenge I believe but even that shouldnt be too hard to figure. Ive done some considerable research and I think Im going to try to do the tailshaft conversion myself. I have access to a good machinist and a small machine shop at work so I think we can make the tail here. If it works it will save me a bunch of $$
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/11/09 11:11 PM

OK T-56's guys

What mods to the tranny tunnel did you have to do?

BIG HAMMER

or

Cutting????
Posted By: nycitis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/11/09 11:28 PM

Big hammer if that...every car is different. My 86 ss I had to bang only for the reverse lockout maybe 5 6 times...and on my regular 86 nothing!!..fit like a glove.

Oh yeah and you need to cut a hole for that shifter thingy...
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/12/09 12:11 AM

did you have to fold up the lip in the trans tunel?

I just folded up mine and have to paint the firewall next

Posted By: MAP

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/14/09 12:12 AM

Greetings,

Another quick (hopefully) interjection here - did any of you who made this swap from an automatic, regret it overall? Or, did you regret any aspect of it?

The only negative I've picked up on from all of these posts is that doing the work to shift manually can get to be a chore in heavy traffic and/or in a hilly area.

Best,
MAP
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/14/09 12:16 AM

IMHO, that's the only drawback which is only an issue if it's your daily driver and you are in heavy traffic on a regular basis. In my area, I still wouldn't mind it if it were my DD as it wouldn't be much different than driving my Saturn (other than having more than 85HP of course LOL). Then of course there is also a clutch that will need replacing now and then (not often enough to worry about) but that's not a big deal either.

Even in heavy traffic - all you have to do is not move up 5ft at a time. Let the gap open up a bit, then just creep up slowly in 1st to save on shifting. An auto is still ideal for this situation, but changing how you drive in stop and go traffic will help a great deal smile
Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/14/09 02:49 AM

I'm in: T56, John B pedal, Iceman crossmember, and a pricey Centerforce flywheel for a 2-piece rear main seal.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/15/09 03:22 AM

As far as referring to mods to the tunnel goes; On the left side of a T56 there is an ear with a hole in it used by the factory to hold the trans for assemble. This ear gets cut off and you will have less trouble sliding the trans into place and won't need a BFH to "modify" the lip as pictured above, the trans will pass it with good clearance.

You need to get the tailshaft high in the tunnel to get minimal engine/trans angle, less is better. The reverse lockout solenoid, the two top bolts for the tailhousing to case, and the shifter mounting surface are the points that will hit the tunnel and require clearancing. This will vary slightly depending on which T56 is used because of the variations in length of the three T56.
Bob
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/15/09 03:28 AM

MAP, I've done 50 mods to my car and consider the T56 swap I did 6 years ago as the best mod I've done. Yes, at times it would be nice to have only two pedal, but the good far outweighs the few times in traffic when it's a PITA.
Bob
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/15/09 03:29 AM

I didnt have to do any clearancing for my '95 t56 for what its worth. Slid right it. the reverse lock out solenoid was really close to the tunnel, but isnt hitting it. Oh ya, im still looking for a c5 shift boot.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/15/09 03:30 AM

I cant wait to drive my car with the 6 speed. As soon as the motors together.... I have only driven my car a couple times with the stick and i can already tell you its the best mod i have ever done!
Posted By: MAP

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/15/09 09:41 PM

MMC - thanks for the feedback about your T-56 swap.

Question: the Tremec TR-6060 is newer and stronger (or so Wikipedia says,) than the T-56. It's used, for instance, in the new 638 hp Corvette ZR-1. Any opinions about this transmission?

Best,
MAP
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/15/09 10:25 PM

Originally Posted By: MAP
MMC - thanks for the feedback about your T-56 swap.

Question: the Tremec TR-6060 is newer and stronger (or so Wikipedia says,) than the T-56. It's used, for instance, in the new 638 hp Corvette ZR-1. Any opinions about this transmission?

Best,
MAP


Made for a transaxle no bell no tailshaft housing
Posted By: MAP

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/16/09 05:02 PM

Hi Turna,

Details, details... Seriously, thanks much for that information!

Is the T56 upgradeable to the torque specs of the TR-6060 (650 lb-ft, if I remember correctly?)

Best,
MAP
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/16/09 06:01 PM

I had my T-56 built by SIX SPEEDS INC. Before they mysteriously disappeared. They claimed it is good for 700hp and 700lbs of torque even with power shifting and they guaranteed it for 1 year.

But now that there gone who knows what it is good for.

It may just be good for a boat achor.
Posted By: Dark Ember

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/16/09 06:01 PM

Oh, I guess I should register. T56 installed, but not wired up yet. Best mod ever, so much more fun to drive. Soon the electronics will be wired up for things like reverse lights and reverse lock out, and speedo calibration.
Posted By: Dark Ember

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/16/09 06:05 PM

Some people have been asking about the strength of the T56. #1, Vipers use them, with the only real diffrence being stronger kevlar syncro's and a steel clutch fork.

There was a guy on LS1.com a couple years ago who dynoed his 1000rwhp vehicle on a stock T56, and it held up. They are holding onto a lot more power than the claimed 450ft/lbs of tq.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/16/09 06:11 PM

The T-56 is "ON PAPER" the strongest trans ever built.

BUT

They are not ment to be power shifted out of the box requardless of what they come out of.

The Viper input shaft is also thicker and longer than the F-Body's or Vette's
Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/17/09 01:12 AM

I had my trans rebuilt by Rockland Standard gear last year. They are the folks that build the tranzilla T56 and fortunately for me they are only 20 minutes away. Anyway, it cost me $1700 to have it rebuilt and it's built to handle 1200hp and 1000 ft lbs. The best part though is it feels like the smoothest running and shifting trans I have ever handled.

BTW, the Tech at RSG told me that the worst thing you could do for the longevity of these transmissions is to "not use" the reverse lockout. It's so easy to wire in it simply does not make sense to not use it.
Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/17/09 11:19 AM

John, how did you wire your reverse lockout?
Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/17/09 11:49 AM

Frank,
I simply ran 12 volts through a switch mounted on my console. Positive 12 volts to one wire on the lockout, the other wire goes to one side of the switch, the other side of the switch is grounded. I also mounted a small red LED in my cluster that reminds me to turn it off. The LED is in parallel with the hot side of the switch.

When I brought my tranny in to be rebuilt the Tech told me that he could tell the tranny was used without the lockout because of the wear.

If anyone decided to call RSG you can speak to George, he is head of the race division and does most of the work with the T56
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/17/09 06:46 PM

George and I had a long conversation years ago at Super Chevy, smart guy, knows the trans.

Agreed, easy to wire the reverse lockout, just make it idiot-proof, a BIG LED will help.

The T6060 is just a very stout T56, better triple synchros, bigger shafts and new they are very expensive. The new Vettes are using the transaxle version but the 09 Challenger SRT8, Camaro, Viper is using a standard 6060 version. Here's a little info.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/manual-tra...6060-trans.html

The main difference between a Viper T56 and other T56 are: bigger input and mainshaft, different tailhousing, different bell and clutch setup. Several of the trans venders have taken the Viper trans and reworked it for Chevy use, that's why they cost a pretty penny more.

A standard T56 will hold up to a lot of abuse once it has a few of the minor upgrades, steel 3/4 fork, solid 1/2 and 3/4 keys, carbon blocking rings, bronze fork pads.

Here's a company that builds a nice T56. http://www.g-forcetransmissions.com/tran_gt-56.asp
Here's a link to Rockland that John was referring to: http://www.rsgear.com/
Bob
Posted By: MAP

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/18/09 06:37 PM

Excellent information! Thanks. What's that about a "clutchless" 5-speed? Is that a racing-only piece?

Best,
MAP
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/18/09 07:06 PM

Regarding the reverse lock out, I havent pulled mine off but was wondering if there is a pin or something that can be removed from the selenoid rather than wiring it up? John S, did the tranny guys say why using the reverse lockout helps the longevity or is it putting the shifter in a bind when fighting the lockout?
Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/18/09 07:13 PM

Originally Posted By: mymonte-ss
Regarding the reverse lock out, I havent pulled mine off but was wondering if there is a pin or something that can be removed from the selenoid rather than wiring it up? John S, did the tranny guys say why using the reverse lockout helps the longevity or is it putting the shifter in a bind when fighting the lockout?

I do not remember ll the details of he conversation (2 years ago) but it does cause some binding that damages the tranny over time.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/18/09 10:30 PM

The GForce clutchless 5 speed is a race only trans, still needs a clutch to disengage it from the engine.
Bob
Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/19/09 10:23 AM

Originally Posted By: John S
Frank,
I simply ran 12 volts through a switch mounted on my console. Positive 12 volts to one wire on the lockout, the other wire goes to one side of the switch, the other side of the switch is grounded. I also mounted a small red LED in my cluster that reminds me to turn it off. The LED is in parallel with the hot side of the switch.

When I brought my tranny in to be rebuilt the Tech told me that he could tell the tranny was used without the lockout because of the wear.

If anyone decided to call RSG you can speak to George, he is head of the race division and does most of the work with the T56


Thanks John, I don't have a rear defroster so perhaps I'll mount a lighted rocker switch in that spot in the dash.
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/19/09 10:52 AM

I'd actually use a factory switch Frank - it is a timed switch so that might work out nicely.
Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/19/09 01:13 PM

Originally Posted By: 85_SS
I'd actually use a factory switch Frank - it is a timed switch so that might work out nicely.


Great idea Kevin, I was thinking I would add a chime or buzzer but if the switch automatically shuts off, that works better.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/20/09 02:49 AM

What factory switch are you speaking of?
Bob
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/20/09 02:53 AM

Defrost - he mentioned his car doesn't have rear defrost so it wouldn't stand out to put the factory switch in place and use it for the reverse lockout.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/20/09 03:03 AM

I've not metered the lockout solenoid but do you think it would put enough load on the defrost switch to make it work. The lockout needs only to be open for seconds to allow entree. Once I'm in reverse I turn the power off to the solenoid. It will come out of reverse easily with the gate closed.
Bob
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/20/09 03:07 AM

Cant you remove the selenoid and plug the whole?
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/20/09 03:25 AM

NOPE, need it to prevent going into reverse when shifting to 5th. You would be surprised how easily it will go across, been there done that 8 years ago. Leave the solenoid, just make an electric circuit to energize it idiot proof.
Bob
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/20/09 11:03 AM

Originally Posted By: mmc427ss
...do you think it would put enough load on the defrost switch to make it work...


I'd have to look up the diagram, but IIRC, it's just a timed circuit that will send 12V for a specified time. I can't recall if it was like 30sec or a few min, both of which are likely a bit too long I suppose, but would make for a nice clean/factory looking install without an aftermarket switch. The best option is probably still using a shifter knob with a built-in momentary switch.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/20/09 11:01 PM

Yes the rear window defrost switch has a solid state timer built into it. Per the Helms the first time it is cycled it will stay on for 10 minutes. The second time it is cycled it will stay on for 5 minutes. Way to long for a lockout switch, you could be 10 miles down the road before it would close the gate.
Bob
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/20/09 11:27 PM

Thanks for looking that up Bob - I couldn't recall how long the defrost stayed on (I didn't think it was anywhere near that long). I guess one other option for a factory looking install is to possibly gut the defrost switch or find a way to adjust that timing - surely way more work than it's worth though (if it's even possible).
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/20/09 11:33 PM

I dont plan on doing anything with the lockout rightnow, as im fine muscling it, but if i do it will be a shift nob with a button.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/20/09 11:38 PM

Originally Posted By: Onebadbowtie86
, but if i do it will be a shift nob with a button.



You mean this?



Thats for the passenger ejection seat
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/20/09 11:39 PM

Yes, just like that Ron! Have you driven that pile yet? what are you doing for a shift boot?
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/23/09 12:51 PM

Has anyone tried a shifter that has "technical term" slidy thingy that goes up the shifter lmao? I had a cavalier years ago and to get it into reverse there was a sleeve with a lip on it you would pull up on it and then could get it into reverse. Also I have an 06 Jetta where you have to push down on the shifter to get it into reverse. Im just thinking something thats not obvious and you dont have to reach for the dash or somewhere else. What inputs did the ECM use to decide when to unlock the selenoid? is there a way to wire the TCC lock up for this?
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/23/09 01:14 PM

Im going to atempt to swing this in today!

Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/23/09 06:56 PM

if it doesnt fit Ill trade you my set up! ha ha
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/23/09 07:06 PM

Originally Posted By: Onebadbowtie86
Yes, just like that Ron! Have you driven that pile yet? what are you doing for a shift boot?


Not yet Aluminum Drive shaft has to get re-cut.......dont ask, long story......I'll explain when the car is on the road, I dont want to jinx myself
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/24/09 05:07 PM

regarding the reverse lock out, I have two selenoids, one right next to the shifter (black and pointing forward) and one about 6" ahead of it (white and pointing downwards), are they both for the reverse lockout?
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/24/09 05:44 PM

Originally Posted By: mymonte-ss
...one right next to the shifter (black and pointing forward)


Reverse lockout

Originally Posted By: mymonte-ss
and one about 6" ahead of it (white and pointing downwards)


Reverse lights

smile
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/24/09 10:10 PM

ok, then there is also a sensor or switch on the passenger side two prong about in the middle front to back and top to bottom that was what I thought the back up light switch was.
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/25/09 12:36 AM

I retract my previous post blush The reverse lights switch is the one on the passenger side. The black plug you mentioned is the speedo sensor, and the one half way back on the drivers side is for the skip shift/CAGS (ignore this one):

http://afrashteh.com/tranny_pics/sensor-soleniod_locations.jpg
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/25/09 01:19 AM

Thanks, Ive seen the skip shift eliminator sold in summit or Jegs. I guess its not needed since Im not using the orriginal ECM (orriginal to the T56 anyway)
Posted By: zmans84ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/25/09 01:35 AM

excuse me.....in a related question. where can i buy a new reverse solenoid as the t-56 i have came with out it? thanks........
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/25/09 03:57 PM

Rockland Standard Gear, http://www.rsgear.com/, D&D http://ddperformance.com/ , Liberty Gears, http://www.libertysgears.com/, Keisler http://www.keislerauto.com/ any one of them could help you. If you get good pricing at any GM parts dealer you would pay about the same price. Never had to replace mine, don't know parts number or pricing.
Bob
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/26/09 06:19 PM

Originally Posted By: mymonte-ss
Has anyone tried a shifter that has "technical term" slidy thingy that goes up the shifter lmao? I had a cavalier years ago and to get it into reverse there was a sleeve with a lip on it you would pull up on it and then could get it into reverse. Also I have an 06 Jetta where you have to push down on the shifter to get it into reverse. Im just thinking something thats not obvious and you dont have to reach for the dash or somewhere else. What inputs did the ECM use to decide when to unlock the selenoid? is there a way to wire the TCC lock up for this?


Reverse lockout collar. My black tag ZF has one, but its all mechanical. It doesnt send a signal to any TCM or PCM. The new blue tag currently in the car has a 15 lb crush through.
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/27/09 04:53 PM

Thanks, its always good to have the technical term!
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/02/09 06:31 PM

Can the guys with the T-56's post pics of how there pedals sit once mounted?

Thanks
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/02/09 07:33 PM

Not sure exactly what your qustion is. If you are asking, "why does my clutch pedal sit so high with mechanical linkage", the answer is you have to relocate the pivot hole in the pedal about 1/2" lower which will drop the pedal height about 3/4" and make it more user friendly, and only increase pedal effort 15%. A few of us have done this mod.
Bob
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/02/09 08:05 PM

Just asking for some pics of the pedals so I can see how they sit in the car
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/02/09 08:09 PM

The pedals on the left are modified for the T-56

The set on the right are the factory 4 speed.

I would like to see other members pedals so I can see how far apart they are.

My modifieds look a little close to me.

Posted By: nycitis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/02/09 08:36 PM

Is that JohnB's pedal?
Posted By: gmguy3car

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/02/09 10:29 PM

mine are T-5 on this post if it helps. http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ub...3440#Post673440
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/03/09 01:03 AM

Here's how JohnB's pedal sits for reference:

Posted By: UpstateNYer

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/03/09 04:28 PM

Originally Posted By: TURNA
The pedals on the left are modified for the T-56

The set on the right are the factory 4 speed.

I would like to see other members pedals so I can see how far apart they are.

My modifieds look a little close to me.



Is the brake pedal on the left assembley a modified G body or an F body? I have F body pedals in my car and the brake pedal is farther away from the gas pedal than a trimmed stock pedal.
Posted By: nycitis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/03/09 04:29 PM

Those are both a g-body
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/03/09 07:30 PM

Those are both g body pedals

They are both mine
Posted By: gmguy3car

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/03/09 09:35 PM

They both bolt up to a monte firewall, RH in pic looks like pre-G body=78-81 A body, if a person was to ask for one or parts.GM split off the G-body from the A-body line in 1982. not trying to be smarty pants just when I ordered my pedal it was reffered back to an A-body. I suppose there's an exception with the 84 mexican monte SS though. Stay tuned for Pedals and full Pedal kits from GSI.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/03/09 09:45 PM

They are both from a 1980 Malibu.

The one on the left has the John B pedal.

As you can see in the pic

The pedals sit closer than the stock ones.(right)



Posted By: gmguy3car

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/03/09 10:03 PM

hmm, I would measure the factory piece width with the bushings and bolt, not sure if it matters for anything but the bolt I think goes the other way, maybe the bushings are mixed up or wrong size? check the bushing sleeve width maybe too.looking closer is the pedal on the outside to the left of the ears? maybe you need the 83 and up piece/ears.
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/03/09 10:07 PM

Originally Posted By: TURNA
The one on the left has the John B pedal.

As you can see in the pic

The pedals sit closer than the stock ones.(right)





Not sure it's the angle, but my JohnB pedal is much further away from the brake pedal than yours is (see above pic). Mine have about the same seperation as your stock set. Are you sure that's a factory g-body brake pedal? The pad looks like one from an F-body and it doesn't appear to be kicked over to the right as much as your stock set.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/13/09 02:22 PM

Now that I got the tranny back in the TO bearing is grumbling. Wheres the best/cheapest place I can get a replacement? The local stores want $150 just for the bearing!
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/20/09 09:45 PM



Can I offically be let in and get my membership card now
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/20/09 10:48 PM

SWEET!!

But what happened at the end where it goes black? Did you crash it? laugh
Posted By: aeroocoupe

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/09 01:05 AM

Hey, John if u need a hand we can heat it up and bend the arm over or cut it and weld it up. I'm going to be doing the same thing. very soon. I have tanks and welder too. Later Rob
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/09 01:11 AM

I played around with it and it is much better now

Thanks!

Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/09 01:14 AM

Made up a bracket to hold the clutch cylinder reservoir.

Untill I find a F-body bracket

It should look alot better once painted

Posted By: aeroocoupe

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/09 01:27 AM

Do u still have the other pedals? I'm using F-body pedal and making them fit. But I would like to see them if possible. Any way looks great so far..
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/09 01:32 AM

yea i have them

let me know when u want to stop by
Posted By: aeroocoupe

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/09 01:40 AM

If you need hand with it I'm on the other side of town. It would also help me out at the same time. I have not done an auto to manual transmission swap.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/09 07:14 PM

I am in Lindenhurst as well
Posted By: nycitis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/09 07:17 PM

Fella's I've done two of them...want me to swing by maybe I can be of some service. I have done it both times with the F-body pedals.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/09 10:32 PM

Painted the bracket
Don't even realize it is there now

Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/09 10:55 PM

well I just realized that there is a good chance this bracket is going to interfere with the washer fuild reservoir.
%$^$#%$^#!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: aeroocoupe

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/09 11:58 PM

I just looked at the bracket from a f-body that I have. And it sit as high as brake reservoir cap.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/25/09 12:01 AM

where did you get it from?

want to sell it?
Posted By: aeroocoupe

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/25/09 12:14 AM

my parts car..
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/26/09 01:23 AM

Just got back from my first cruise night of the year, and putting 50 + miles on it


Its gonna be a while before this grin goes away.......
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/26/09 03:21 AM

From 1/24/09:

"Ok.....so I bought my 6-spd, am i 1/2 a member?"

"Hmmmmmm? I think you have to let the clutch out and roll first."

"LOL Your application is under review until further notice"

Welcome to the MMC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/27/09 12:10 AM

new bracket made just have to smooth out the edges

Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/27/09 12:40 AM

Sweet TURNA, want to make another one for me?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/27/09 12:41 AM

Originally Posted By: mmc427ss
From 1/24/09:

"Ok.....so I bought my 6-spd, am i 1/2 a member?"

"Hmmmmmm? I think you have to let the clutch out and roll first."

"LOL Your application is under review until further notice"

Welcome to the MMC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob


"Hi.......my name is Houlie.......and I'm a manual addict"



Posted By: aeroocoupe

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/27/09 12:47 AM

looks good, more paint please
Posted By: John S

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/27/09 01:16 AM

Originally Posted By: aeroocoupe
looks good, more paint please

Forgt the paint... Powder coat it!
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/27/09 08:10 PM

Hey Ive been searching but cant find out for sure. Is there a need to cut your drive shaft going from a 700R4 to a T56? I thought I had found out before where you did not need to but Im not sure. Problem is I pulled eng, trans motor mounts etc to clean up the frame, and putting everything back in the engine seems to be sitting further back than normal and by measuerments I need to cut 1.5" +/- off the drive shaft to make it work.

TIA
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/27/09 08:35 PM

where did you bolt your mounts to? is the front bottom hole in the motor mount hanging off the frame? the engine should be sitting in the exact same spot as it did b4 u pulled no matter what trans you are installing
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/27/09 09:01 PM

Just went n looked, guess Ill be picking up the eng and moving the mounts forward. Glad I cought this now rather than after I started cutting the shifter hole in the trans tunnel. On a good note, the frame is back under the body.
Posted By: Clutch_Grabwell

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/27/09 09:15 PM

Originally Posted By: mymonte-ss
Is there a need to cut your drive shaft going from a 700R4 to a T56?
Problem is I pulled eng, trans motor mounts etc to clean up the frame, and putting everything back in the engine seems to be sitting further back than normal and by measuerments I need to cut 1.5" +/- off the drive shaft to make it work.
TIA

If you're replacing a 700R4 with an LT1 T-56 you shouldn't have to touch the driveshaft. Make sure the bottom front bolt-hole on your motor mount is hanging over the edge of the crossmember.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/27/09 09:29 PM

These are the correct holes for the V-8 Chevy mounts

Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/27/09 11:42 PM

ok new bracket installed, hopefully this will work




Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/28/09 12:44 AM

yeah got it straight now, thanks for the info and the pic. Dayum now I will prob have to re-do the tab on my X-member. Oh well! I was pretty sure I didnt need to cut the drive shaft. I started cutting the hole in the tunnel tonight. Was going to take pix but the wife has the camera so Ill get some tonight when she gets home and update the cardomain page.
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/05/09 06:39 PM

Ok, I got the tab on the X member fixed Ill put pics up later, prob would have worked with the first tab that was there but this one looks much better. Now Im on to getting the pedals in. Turna do you have a pic of your set installed? Im looking at doing pretty much the same thing, mod the stock bracket to take the clutch pedal and go with it. Id like to see how yours turned out.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/05/09 08:29 PM

Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/05/09 10:23 PM

Originally Posted By: TURNA

getting close, but as I was told....just Pedals, dont count yet
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/05/09 10:36 PM

Originally Posted By: Houlie
Originally Posted By: TURNA

getting close, but as I was told....just Pedals, dont count yet


ahhh but u forget I have had it in my other one for years

Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/05/09 10:41 PM

welcome aboard
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/06/09 09:02 PM

Nice thanks, do you have a pic of the pedals installed without the dash in the way? What did you do to make these work? Im looking at using the stock MC brake pedal but welding on the foot pad from the Camaro, taking the pivot bolt from the camaro set up and turn it down to use the bushing that the MC used then welding the clutch bracket onto the MC housing. I see where you dont get as much clutch travel from the firewall but that should be an easy adjustment.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/06/09 09:31 PM

all u need is a bolt, go to a hardware store and buy a longer bolt and a matching nylon insert nut

as far as the foot pad goes just cut the pedal the same size as your e-brake pad

the camaro pads are to big and your feet will be in the way of each other

sorry no pics of the pedals with the dash out

u dont need to remove the dash to install the pedals
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/06/09 09:34 PM

on the left is a g-body pedal setup with a camaro rubber pad

u can see how close it is to the other pedal

just imagine if you had both pedals that size

Posted By: Clutch_Grabwell

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/06/09 10:40 PM

Originally Posted By: TURNA
on the left is a g-body pedal setup with a camaro rubber pad

u can see how close it is to the other pedal

just imagine if you had both pedals that size

Is it the angle or does there appear to be a bit more room between the pedals below?
(John B. pedal in a Monte.)
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/09/09 11:52 AM

One more question, regarding the neutral safety switch how has everyone wired it in? Ive been looking through some wiring diagrams and havent run across one that shows how the switch is wired on. So my question is can I just run the wire from the switch to the selenoid through the NSW? or is it too much amperage for the switch and I need to include a relay for it?
Posted By: SS Ninja

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/09/09 03:25 PM

So, uh...I'm thinking of joining the club over the winter.

Houlie mentioned that you had jackets.



But seriously though, I'm not completely sold on needing a T56 except for the wow factor considering the cost. What would be a 5 speed capable of putting up with an ok amount of power without grenading?


I'm planning on learning more about the manual swap over the next couple of months with plans on purchasing over the winter.
Posted By: nycitis

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/09/09 04:42 PM

Ninja, you have an 8.5 rear, 12 discs, and an bunch of other performance stuff on your car, please don't put a 5 speed in that car unless its a TKO. This is a 39 page post, its SO much more then just a wow factor and a reason why most people go t56 vs any other tranny, and not cause its easier....they are all just about the same amount of work!
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/09/09 04:56 PM

the neutral saftey switch - 78-81 it is mechnical and built into the column no mods are needed

82-88 all you have to do is jump the connector with a wire that would normally plug into the switch on the bottom of the column.
Just make sure it is the neutral safety and not the reverse lights.

As for the T56 it is "on paper" the strongest car manual trans ever built. So it's not just a WOW factor.

A decent built T5 will be ok if you do not pop the clutch to often, run slicks or power shift I ran a T5 in my old Malibu for about 4 years and still have it with no problems. But I did not beat on it often.
Posted By: SS Ninja

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/09/09 05:38 PM

Well, I guess I should rephrase that T56 comment.

What I meant to ask (but didn't) is: I'm currently running a 3.42 gear. What did the LT1 and LS1 cars run for gearing with a T56? Would I have to consider changing my gear ratio to really take advantage of the double overdrive?

Would I be better off with the gear ratios of a TKO versus a T56?

I know almost nothing about manual transmissions; Like I said, I've got a lot to learn, and I'll do more reading on the subject here before posting any more questions so I don't clog up this thread. smile
Posted By: Jay84

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/09/09 06:23 PM

I am thinking that most of them came with 3.42 factory but i am not 100% sure. I am sure other will chime in. HTH


JP
Posted By: SS Ninja

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/09/09 07:28 PM

I just sent John B an email....I really hope that he still has clutch pedals available.... eek
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/09/09 08:10 PM

I personaly do not care for the TKO trannys

The T56 is a factory trans and there are plenty of them around.

They built the TKO's as "high perf" trans yet the factory T56 is a stronger unit?!?!

If your gonna do it start saving $$$ now and do it right

T56!!!!!!!!!
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/09/09 09:19 PM

The aftermarket T56 has a 2.97 1st gear, ZO6 and Mustang T56 are the same ratios from 1st to 4th as A/F T56. All other T56 are a 2.60 1st gear. The aftermarket T56 has a .80 5th and a .62 6th gear. In my opinion the ratios of the A/F T56 are better for a street driven car.

For a neutral safety switch this is what the factory used on the manual trans G-body cars. It is now available again from OPG.
http://www.opgi.com/product.asp?topcatid...&yearrange=

It has been unavailable for several years from GM. The El Camino Store sold it for a few years but hasn't had it available for several. A neutral safety switch is a necessity to prevent accidental damage to the front end of the car. It's a simple hookup. The purple wire from the ignition switch to the starter solenoid is cut and the neutral safety switch gets wires in line. The clutch pedal then needs to be pushed down to complete the circuit to allow cranking the engine. I've had this identical switch in my car for 6 years now with no problems.
Bob
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/12/09 12:19 PM

Yeah after reading the wiring diagram on my truck I figured out its inline, and not requiring a Relay or something special, I got the switch with the pedal and will make it all work out hopefully at the end of th emonth. Time to play Army for the next two weeks!
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/20/09 11:07 PM

I was just about to swing the engine and trans in today.

I must have the worst luck in the world... cry




Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/21/09 04:41 AM

May not be a crack in the bell, just some a casting flash. Remove the bell and tap on that area with a small hammer, lightly, you'll be able to tell by the sound if it's cracked.
Bob
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/21/09 09:45 AM

it's cracked
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/21/09 07:30 PM

TIGGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/08/09 10:06 PM

4 gears worth of sealcoating today
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/09/09 05:39 PM

I dont believe you Ron, how about some proof laugh poke
Posted By: gmguy3car

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/16/09 03:40 PM

hey all, I figured this is a good post to show the new GSI clutch pedal, I mentioned they were coming, please come down to the vendor section for info and pricing if you haven't seen it there already, thanks, Jon
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/23/09 07:39 PM

For those running hydraulic clutch setup. Did you use a pedal stop or is it not necessary?

Also what did you use to connect the clutch master to the pedal? Just a bolt??
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/01/09 01:41 AM

Ok this is my mounting solution.

I used 2 bronze bearing/spacers to keep the correct angle on the masters shaft shiftyeyes

Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/02/09 01:17 AM

Thanks for the pics Turna, this helps out a bunch. I cant remember but which pedal are you using?
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/02/09 04:00 AM

I tried to edit the last post but it didnt work for some reason. Looking at your pic and mocking up mine similar to that. It appears that the master cylinder mounts to the pedal about twice the distance from the pivot bolt as it did while mounted in the F-body. Si my thinking is this will reduce the pedal travel by about half but increase the effort required to press the pedal by about double. How much pedal travel do you have? and How stiff is the pedal?
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/02/09 11:26 AM

Originally Posted By: TURNA
For those running hydraulic clutch setup. Did you use a pedal stop or is it not necessary?

Also what did you use to connect the clutch master to the pedal? Just a bolt??


Its necessary, and I do run one. I found out the hard way that you will blow the seal on the master and be rendered immobile in the worst part of town... and then a wheel/tire will come off of a 4 runner and come barreling at you from the oncoming traffic side of the road... (that was a bad day, but I got a lucky bounce and it missed me)
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/02/09 12:17 PM

How do you have your pedal stop mounted? Do you have a pic of it? Is it in front or behind the pedal?

I have a John B pedal that is bent to the correct angle to use with the G body pedal setup/ firewall mount and the F-body master.
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/02/09 05:32 PM

Ill try to get my pics posted tonight but Im using the stock F-body pedal and I think I can weld a tab to it for the Master Cylinder mount.
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/03/09 11:17 AM

I took a bumpstop and bolted it to the floor.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/03/09 12:19 PM

Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
I took a bumpstop and bolted it to the floor.


Any chance you can snap a pic?

What clutch pedal are you using?

Thanks
Posted By: 85t5mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/06/09 09:47 PM

I've got the 5 spped in and all is done except headers. What r u guys running with headers and T5s with hydraulic slave? Pics would help too.
Posted By: Norm Peterson

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/06/09 11:35 PM

Tremec TR-3550 in the Malibu.

Which replaced a T-10.

Which itself replaced the OE iron-case Saginaw.

Yup, the car is an original stick-shift car (and still uses the original clutch linkage).

We have not owned an automatic tranny car for, ummm, about 37 years (and my sig on another forum reads in part "automatics need not apply").

It came as a shock to my wife's boss when she recently told him that her usual daily driver (2001 Maxima) was a stick as well as the Mazda 626 that she was driving for a couple of days.


Norm
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/08/09 01:55 AM

http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2772/1581/31928290102_medium.jpg

Here is my set up if it does not come through correctly go to my cardomain link in my sig and go to the bottom of page 7
Posted By: BuzzLOL

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/10/09 01:50 AM



.... I changed the link so it's a lot easier to see the details...

.... My Monte is still auto... but the Fiero is 5 speed manual... as is the Astre Formula... and the Midget... LOL!
Posted By: Pro Street SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/17/09 11:35 AM

Hey, anyone use the GSI pedal clutch pedals yet?
Thanks
Posted By: Pro Street SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/17/09 11:38 AM

Originally Posted By: 85t5mcss
I've got the 5 spped in and all is done except headers. What r u guys running with headers and T5s with hydraulic slave? Pics would help too.
I am using 67-69 Camaro headers on mine. I can get the part number from the invoice, but mine are for D port heads.
Posted By: 85t5mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/18/09 12:22 AM

No thanks. I have 82-92 Hooker Shorties and ended up being a very good fit. Still gotta finish the exhaust, but all looks good.
Posted By: gmguy3car

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/26/09 01:19 AM

Hey manual Monte cult members new product, manual shift boot plates, hand built

black side

burgundy side
link http://www.gsi-interiorss.com/category/manual-transmission/catId=3067831
Posted By: LS5 454 SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/28/09 04:49 PM

Right now, I have a World Class T5 in the car...the tranny I have in the car is NOT going to hold up to the motor if I put some tire on down the track. Does anyone know if the T56 shifter location is the same as the hole I had to cut for the T5?

Thanks!

- Steve
Posted By: TPI Monte SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/28/09 05:33 PM

Steve, I'm pretty sure the T56 hole is in the middle of the trans tunnel (vs. offset to the driver side like the T5) and back another 1-2".
Posted By: LS5 454 SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/28/09 06:15 PM

ugh...that's not a good thing...I don't know how that would work out with one big huge hole in the floor. I wanted to upgrade the T5 to a T56 but I don't know about hacking up the floor like that...
Posted By: Joe87monteSS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/28/09 07:35 PM

So it's officially begun. Today, I bought a 606 bellhousing and clutch fork.

Now to start saving for everything else.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/28/09 07:55 PM

Good news Joe! You wont regret it!
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/28/09 11:06 PM

Originally Posted By: LS5 454 SS
ugh...that's not a good thing...I don't know how that would work out with one big huge hole in the floor. I wanted to upgrade the T5 to a T56 but I don't know about hacking up the floor like that...


Well worth it yup Have you done the swap - your sig notes a T5?

Disregard the question - I didn't read back enough before posting laugh

Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/28/09 11:49 PM

Originally Posted By: 85_SS
Originally Posted By: LS5 454 SS
ugh...that's not a good thing...I don't know how that would work out with one big huge hole in the floor. I wanted to upgrade the T5 to a T56 but I don't know about hacking up the floor like that...


Well worth it yup Have you done the swap - your sig notes a T5?



I went from a T5 to a T56 - the difference in the hole is not significant, 1.5 inches on the front and side if I remember correctly, (perhaps even less). I made a plate out of sheet metal, painted it the color of the floor, applied some sealent, and riveted it to the floor.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/11/09 04:33 PM

Frank, What are the major differences you have noticed from going from the t5 to t56? Do they drive any different ect?
Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/22/09 12:09 AM

Sorry Jason, didn't see your post. I pulled the T5 within days of installing it because it would pop out of gear. I then installed the T56.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/22/09 12:34 AM

Oh, I see. Thats too bad. I really wanted to know if one drove better/different then the other.
Posted By: rons87mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/22/09 12:42 AM

Jason, it is WELL known that the T5 drives leaps & bounds BETTER than a T56....but I'll tell you what I'll do. I will trade you even up...my T5 for your T56...whadaya say poke
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/22/09 12:53 AM

are you sure? I dont have to give you any money? laugh I know the t56 is rated for more power, but honesty wondered if one would drive different from the other.
Posted By: rons87mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/22/09 12:55 AM

just pay for both of our shipping expenses laugh

I would check out the gear ratio comparisons for a basic idea....if your still not sure, my offer will be on the table.....and I plan on leaving it there pretty much forever smile

just FYI
my T5 info
1st/2.95 2nd/1.94 3rd/1.34 4th/1:1 5th/.63 reverse/2.76
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/22/09 04:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Onebadbowtie86
What are the major differences you have noticed from going from the t5 to t56?


the shifter has an extra # on it......... whistle
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/30/09 07:29 PM

Well, back from overseas after 2 1/2 years and my son and I already trashed the rebuilt auto. To be honest it probably weren't the tranny's fault.

So, we're climbing onboard to a manual finally. I'm old-school and trying to compute the need for hydraulics. We've both read every single post, - the speedo changeover appears to involve the most headscratching part of the install eh.

Need to study up more on single or dual mass, and lt. or hvy. flywheel, plus adapting to our 990 1-pc. shortblock we bought with the 2-pc. adapter... that sort of thing.

And then of course where/who from to buy all this stuff. This gonna be fun.
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/26/09 03:45 AM

Anyone here tried or accomplished converting your own tail housing to a mechanical speedo rather than spending $500+ on a tail housing? I keep looking at it and had found some info on the jags that run website (which I cant find now) and it doesnt appear to be that difficult. Just looking for some pointers/options. I have access to a machine shop for doing minor stuff like this so I may be able to pull it off.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/26/09 04:07 AM

Originally Posted By: mymonte-ss
Anyone here tried or accomplished converting your own tail housing to a mechanical speedo rather than spending $500+ on a tail housing? I keep looking at it and had found some info on the jags that run website (which I cant find now) and it doesnt appear to be that difficult. Just looking for some pointers/options. I have access to a machine shop for doing minor stuff like this so I may be able to pull it off.


Clutch_Grabwell has.....I think it may be on his homepage
Posted By: Clutch_Grabwell

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/01/09 02:47 AM

Originally Posted By: mymonte-ss
Anyone here tried or accomplished converting your own tail housing to a mechanical speedo rather than spending $500+ on a tail housing? I keep looking at it and had found some info on the jags that run website (which I cant find now) and it doesnt appear to be that difficult. Just looking for some pointers/options. I have access to a machine shop for doing minor stuff like this so I may be able to pull it off.

Thanks for volunteering me, Ron...
Here's a picture of the T56 tailshaft housing that's in my car now. I'm not sure the parts used are still available. The page that covers this is missing from the vendor's site at www.jagsthatrun.com . You should give them a call and see if they're still offering those parts. I hope your machinist owes you a favor because this was a fairly involved setup. JTR was quite proud of the kit when I bought it and after the machine shop bill was paid there was no longer any thought of this procedure being a bargain.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/01/09 02:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Clutch_Grabwell
Originally Posted By: mymonte-ss
Anyone here tried or accomplished converting your own tail housing to a mechanical speedo rather than spending $500+ on a tail housing? I keep looking at it and had found some info on the jags that run website (which I cant find now) and it doesnt appear to be that difficult. Just looking for some pointers/options. I have access to a machine shop for doing minor stuff like this so I may be able to pull it off.


Thanks for volunteering me, Ron...


Dont mention it, LOL
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/03/09 05:57 AM

Thanks for the info guys, yeah Ive ran across the JTR site with the missing information. As far as a machinist, its good to "own" your own as we have one at our facility and the guy who does the work likes me. So paying for the machine work wont be an issue. Once I get it figured out Ill post pics.
Posted By: justins_aero

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/15/09 12:21 AM

Hi all I am in the process of instaling a saginaw 4 speed in my 87 aero behind a stock 350.I already have the trans and cluch pedel installed and I am hoping to find some pics of a Mechanical linkage setup.Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/21/09 06:27 PM

I'm about to pull the trigger on buying a lo-mile LS1 style T56 setup along with the F2B kit and a Pro 5.0 shifter. It has the 12" LS7 clutch & flywheel, Gm master & Rhino Pac slave and it's being pulled from a '96 B-body. I'm not likely stealing the price but the package appears in real good condition.

I intend to do my homework and comb this entire thread, but can anyone offer the type of things I'll be changing in order to install behind my 1-pc. rear main sbc? The motor has a 2-pc. rear main adapter if that's even a factor.

A brief Search brings up I may need a bellhousing adapter Yes-no? Something about changing out the input shaft Yes-no? Anything else?
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/21/09 06:31 PM

Anything used is well abused!!!!!!!

don't buy it if u can't test it out.
Posted By: Minotaur15

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/21/09 08:16 PM

Are you getting some sort of adapter to fit that LSX trans to a SBC? I might be a bit dated on this, but last I heard, the input shaft is too long, hence going with the 93-97 LT1 T56 that has been the standard for G-body swappers. Also, FWIW my trans came from a 60-70k mile wreck - and I think it wrecked because the owner was reckless and abused the car. My trans will need a rebuild before putting it behind a real motor. And of course, until it was in, there was no way to know!
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/21/09 08:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Minotaur15
Are you getting some sort of adapter to fit that LSX trans to a SBC? I might be a bit dated on this, but last I heard, the input shaft is too long, hence going with the 93-97 LT1 T56 that has been the standard for G-body swappers. Also, FWIW my trans came from a 60-70k mile wreck - and I think it wrecked because the owner was reckless and abused the car. My trans will need a rebuild before putting it behind a real motor. And of course, until it was in, there was no way to know!


I hear you guys. But this tranny was reportedely purchased new 9,000 miles ago from D&D in Detroit 3 years ago. The fact that the seller is a machinist guarantees nothing of course but his entire demeanor strikes me that this turnkey setup has definitely been used but not abused. I've also heard about the longer LS input shaft and my question was about the need for a bellhousing spacer/adapter. I wondered how complicated it was just to change out the input shaft from LS- to LT- type, and then get the correct bellhousing. After that I believe from the list above I should not need antything else but a cxmember.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/21/09 10:35 PM

I'm running ls-1 T-56 out of a 01 SS Camaro, with mechanical linkage.........go get a LT-1 T-56....
Posted By: Clutch_Grabwell

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/22/09 01:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Houlie
I'm running ls-1 T-56 out of a 01 SS Camaro, with mechanical linkage.........go get a LT-1 T-56....

Ron, are you implying that your LS1/T56 did not mate smoothly to your 383??? chair
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/22/09 01:14 AM

oh....it does now........after we tried every possible combination under the sun.......that's one headache I'd rather forget........but it was SOOOOOOOO worth it
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/22/09 12:18 PM

I appreciate the heads-up Houlie. I see your install started on P.5. wink I'm seeing from reading a little what I'm getting into and not enough to scare me off yet. Together with John B's writeup and the excellent camaro.net link on P.8 (creds to 85_SS) it appears to be just a matter of money and getting the parts permutations correct.

The probable good pedigree of this LS- deal has me committed in that direction. And it appears I'm heading toward hydraulics over mech.

I think I'm on the hook for either an adapter, or getting an LT- bellhousing - heck maybe both! Then there's something about an extended pilot bushing. Too much fun - I guess.
Posted By: TPI Monte SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/22/09 03:48 PM

Wait a minute 88ISStock, is the '96 B-body you're buying the T56 setup from currently running an LTx motor, or an LSx motor? If it's an LTx, then whatever mods that needed to mate an LS T56 to that motor ~should~ be done, since the LTx block is the same as a 1-piece RMS motor.
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/22/09 06:08 PM

Yah Steve, the seller is running an LS- 403 motor in his Impala and now just wants to go automatic. I committed to this deal this morning. It think the only diff between LT- and LS- type T-56 is the bellhousing and input shaft. Either I swap those out or I get some sort of adapter/spacer plate to mate the LS- type tranny to my motor. I'm reading there might even be some tiny advantage using the LS- type tranny when using the full hyd push type throwout bearing (which I intend to). Now I'm finding out I need to make certain the clutch setup listed above that he's sending will work on my 2-pc. stroker crank. I guess I'll know when the flywheel shows whether it's got weights tacked on.

At the very minimum it appears I'm in for at least getting this; http://www.summitracing.com/parts/MCL-8-207/Application/?prefilter=1
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/23/09 04:32 AM

403, t-56 in a 4000lb Impala and it's not abused?!?!?!?!!
Posted By: STINGER-427

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/28/09 12:03 AM

I have an 87 Monte SS, 355 cu in, Tremec t-56 (tranny, hydraulics, and pedals from a 97 Z28), 12 bolt 4:10.
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/14/10 09:32 PM

For anybody usiung the Abbot converter box (I think Houlie might be the only one?) - are you happy with it? Is it flakey at all? They're extremely overpriced IMO, but it is the cheapest option if you want to keep a mechanical speedo. I'd really like to stick with my 200mph Malibu unit if I can.



Although I won't be in any rush to install it, I am picking up a T56 this weekend. I wasn't really looking but came across one and it's the first time I've seen one for sale within driving distance since before I bought my WCT5.

I'll now have an 8.5" posi and T56 sitting on the garage floor - just need a motor to warrant having them someday LOL
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/14/10 09:49 PM

COMPLETELY happy with it........when I ordered it they thought I was a garage installing it, so they gave it to me at a cheaper price....

As far as setting the ratio's, they were very, very helpful. Told them what I was running for a set-up, they gave me a setting that I would be close with.....I was off 5 mph's....called them up and told them, and they gave me the new setting and it was SPOT on

I removed my ashtray, and mounted it under that spot....
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/14/10 10:57 PM

Cool - Thanks for the info. I may buy one shortly as the exchange rate is reasonable right now. If you don't mind me asking, what did they charge you for it?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/14/10 11:09 PM

hmmmm....cant remember off the top of my head...300-400 I think
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/17/10 03:01 AM

Your memory must be failing you Ron smile ...they list for $310 on their site. Anybody looking for one of these, buy it through them on ebay as it's quite a bit cheaper:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330393945378

Much more of a reasonable price @ $250.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/17/10 01:17 PM

Originally Posted By: 85_SS
Your memory must be failing you Ron smile ...they list for $310 on their site.


Cut me some slack.....I said inbetween 300-400......$310 is between that smile

If I remember correctly they took off an additional $50, because they thought I was a garage
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/17/10 09:59 PM

True, but that's no deal though at that price wink Sounds like you probably paid around what I did. I was surprised it was $60 cheaper on ebay - glad I didn't just order it through their site. If they listed as that price on their site they'd probably sell a lot more - $310 is a bit of sticker shock when many people would rather just swap in an electronic speedo for less.

Picked up the trans today - I've now got 2/3rds of a great drivetrain ready to go LOL
Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/17/10 10:20 PM

If I remember correctly, it was $350 on their site last year, (which is why my speedometer is not connected). Great find on eBay for $250.
Posted By: Onebadbowtie86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/17/10 10:46 PM

Hopefully they have them on ebay for that next year laugh I wont be needing one until then.
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/24/10 11:32 PM

Well, hotdamm the boxes showed up! I got a complete LS- setup from a guy that took everything out of his last gen B-body since he's going back to automatic. I now am proud owner of a 9,000 miler from D&D, along with a Pro 5.0 Power Tower shifter, an LS7 clutch & flywheel setup along with a Rhino slave cylinder and GM master cyl.

Only a little left to go. I need to unload the LS- bellhousing and pick up an LT- type, and get a pedal kit and a new crossmember. Well of course there's the rev. lockout and speedo to wire up too.

Next up I figure is get an LT- type input shaft and read up on how to switch it out from the LS- piece. Good winter fun.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/10 01:24 AM

why not go mechanical with the adapter plate, and an OPG bellhousing like I did
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/10 08:08 PM

Well good question! Actually contemplated the adapter plate and not having to open the tranny case. That adapter plate is maybe by ?McLeod??? to mate the T-56 to an oldschool bellhousing?
But I've rebuilt a few manuals so that is not really a decision factor. I combed your cardomain=good info in there. I'm really jonesing to learn this hyd. stuff. Also, there's a component of future utility and interchangeability at work here with me considering potential motor/tranny options with my '96 Impala SS years to come.

So bottomline I think I got all the guts to go latest type hyd. slave instead of manual linkge as yours. You seem to have had a special slave cyl you were working with without a bleeder but my Rhino has one and seems it will be fine and all I think I need is the LT input shaft and a LT bh which I might be able to snag used.

I'm just factoring in the parts I already have into the equation, but I envy your access apparently to yards and parts.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/10 08:38 PM

I originally was going to go with hydraulics, but had a hell of a time getting the system to properly bleed.....maybe someone else would have better lucjk with it than I did

Here's a link to the company

http://www.weirhotrodproducts.com/index.html

I stll have the bellhousing, Throw-out bearing and master cylinder that I'm not using......if you want to give it a shot, shoot me a PM and I'll give you a hell of a deal versus what it costs new
Posted By: 1 Slow SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/10 09:37 PM

Originally Posted By: Houlie
I originally was going to go with hydraulics, but had a hell of a time getting the system to properly bleed.....maybe someone else would have better lucjk with it than I did

Here's a link to the company

http://www.weirhotrodproducts.com/index.html

I stll have the bellhousing, Throw-out bearing and master cylinder that I'm not using......if you want to give it a shot, shoot me a PM and I'll give you a hell of a deal versus what it costs new


A hell of a deal to Houlie is 25% over retail.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/10 09:42 PM

Originally Posted By: 1slowSS
Originally Posted By: Houlie
I originally was going to go with hydraulics, but had a hell of a time getting the system to properly bleed.....maybe someone else would have better lucjk with it than I did

Here's a link to the company

http://www.weirhotrodproducts.com/index.html

I stll have the bellhousing, Throw-out bearing and master cylinder that I'm not using......if you want to give it a shot, shoot me a PM and I'll give you a hell of a deal versus what it costs new


A hell of a deal to Houlie is 25% over retail.


Sometimes more.....

Are you lost?.....this section is reserved for Man pedal cars
Posted By: 1 Slow SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/10 09:45 PM

I have a man pedal car, it's just on the opposite side.... Well I should say I have one for now... LOL
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/10 09:47 PM

Originally Posted By: 1slowSS
I have a man pedal car, it's just on the opposite side.... Well I should say I have one for now... LOL


yeah sorry to hear about your financial problems, that leave you having to sell you're car
Posted By: 1 Slow SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/10 09:54 PM

Thanks Ron, I wish things would pick up at work but that's life and the family is more important than the car. Maybe I'll get lucky and something will break in the next month.

I was just busting your stones on the Houlie special pricing.. Hey you think you could sell the car for me.LOL
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/10 09:56 PM

Originally Posted By: Houlie
....I still have the bellhousing, Throw-out bearing and master cylinder that I'm not using......


If'n it's a LT-bh I'll keep it in reserve thanks.

But hey! I just got off the phone with Bruce about this pricey little jewel. The 6023 shown here;
http://www.quicktimeinc.com/products.html#chevy

Full scattershield spec using new 'spun' technology, and made deeper to supposedely eat up the longer length of the LS- input shaft and also bolt directly to a sbc. And Bruce claims it works perfect for the center 'push' hyd. throwout bearing I have. Like I said $482 is choking steep $$$, but has anyone gone this route?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/10 09:57 PM

Originally Posted By: 88 ISStock
Originally Posted By: Houlie
....I still have the bellhousing, Throw-out bearing and master cylinder that I'm not using......


If'n it's a LT-bh I'll keep it in reserve thanks.

But hey! I just got off the phone with Bruce about this pricey little jewel. The 6023 shown here;
http://www.quicktimeinc.com/products.html#chevy

Full scattershield spec using new 'spun' technology, and made deeper to supposedely eat up the longer length of the LS- input shaft and also bolt directly to a sbc. And Bruce claims it works perfect for the center 'push' hyd. throwout bearing I have. Like I said $482 is choking steep $$$, but has anyone gone this route?


Nice product....I originally was going with that unit....actually had it in my hand before I sent it back and decided against it
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/10 10:00 PM

Originally Posted By: 1slowSS
Thanks Ron, I wish things would pick up at work but that's life and the family is more important than the car. Maybe I'll get lucky and something will break in the next month.

I was just busting your stones on the Houlie special pricing.. Hey you think you could sell the car for me.LOL


you know I was going to keep up with the subliminal cheap shots, but I decided to act my age....

being serious here, have you tried this site?

http://www.racingjunk.com/

I know some friends in the same boat as yourself, having to sell their cars to pay the bills, and its not a happy thing to do.....I know others who have bought/sold cars on this site, and it tends to be a great marketplace for speciality cars, like yours

Good luck
Posted By: 1 Slow SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/25/10 10:05 PM

Hi Bob,

I have a friend that owns my old 455 TA that used one of these on a TKO 600 Keisler trans. I went over and helped him a bit with the set up and it's a very good product and well worth the investment IMO if your running big power.
Posted By: BxBootlegger

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/26/10 07:17 PM

Finally joined today. Just took My 84 SS out for a shake down run today. The t56 makes a drastic difference. I had a turbo 700r4 with a 10" converter. Now the fun of retuning the engine shall start. Thanks to everyone as you all helped me assemble the parts together.
Posted By: gmguy3car

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/26/10 07:43 PM

SSweet! I believe you got the last in stock GSI Clutch pedal?
Posted By: BxBootlegger

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/26/10 07:44 PM

Yup, thanks the pedal worked like a charm.
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/10 06:38 PM

Well, I just pulled the trigger on a Quicktime RM6023 from Tim at CarShopInc.com

Better price than retail, and he thinks I'll have it in hand tomorrow - no later than w/e. He claims it's perfect for my app. Thanks guys for the feedback.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/10 07:47 PM

Originally Posted By: 88 ISStock
Well, I just pulled the trigger on a Quicktime RM6023 from Tim at CarShopInc.com


Going mechanical after all, huh?
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/28/10 10:17 PM

No no no. Tim said this thing has no bracket for a slave cyl. From what I'm told it's intended to use with a hyd. T.O. bearing like the Rhino unit I got.
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/29/10 08:15 PM

I Searched for Tick Master Cyl. but nothing. It is apparently quite the rage on LS1.com as an upgrade to the stock M/C;

http://www.tick-performance.com/

I got a regular GM M/C to go with the Rhino slave hyd. T.O. bearing for the LS- T56 I'm putting in. Just wondered if anyone has any experience with Tick. Or is the regular M/C just fine for our Montes all on its own?
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/06/10 12:27 PM

I lifted this link from LS1 Tech site and thought it would be helpful;
http://installuniversity.com/lsx/camaro-installation-documents/fbody-install-documents.html

I only found one hit here with search on 'installuniversity', and that thread was from 2003! Forgive me if everyone already knows this stuff. There's good info in the Transmission Section. The guy who sold me his rather complete LS setup told me already did the 'drill mod'.
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/06/10 04:19 PM

I bet all my posts are boring you guys that already installed a 6-sp w/ hydraulics, so these are more for us noobs or all the old farts more used to just Muncies w/ mech crossshaft setups. wink

I have read excellent descriptions here about the difference between front plates of LT type with fork arm and 'puller slave' mount and the alternate LS type with 'hyd T.O. bearing'. But this thread helps clarify the basic difference visually for those who don't have either one to look at;

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/manual-transmission/1235250-all-t56s-created-equal.html
Posted By: Jay84

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/21/10 04:52 AM

Will the hyd. set up work with long tube headers i am installing a WC T5 just trying to see what else i need to get any help would be great.

Thanks JP
Posted By: camp

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/23/10 08:25 PM

Hey, I'm a new member, I know I don't have a MC but I do have a G body, a 1980 Malibu 383, Richmond 6 speed GN rear. Hoping to get some info on another bell housing. I'm currently using a custom quik time bell, but I'm limited to a 10.5" clutch. Does anyone have any info. on a lakewood 15015 or 15050 bell (mechanical linkage)in a G body?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/23/10 09:34 PM

Originally Posted By: camp
Hey, I'm a new member, I know I don't have a MC but I do have a G body, a 1980 Malibu 383, Richmond 6 speed GN rear. Hoping to get some info on another bell housing. I'm currently using a custom quik time bell, but I'm limited to a 10.5" clutch. Does anyone have any info. on a lakewood 15015 or 15050 bell (mechanical linkage)in a G body?


I'm running a 11" clutch

http://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/ocatalog/part.asp?VID=9&CatID=13&YearList=1958

Part # MT400S2
Posted By: texlurch

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/31/10 07:08 AM

Well my "duh" button just went off, and I realized I have to wait until the LT4 is ready before I can stick the T-56 in... since my new to me 85 has the old style crank.

Darnit

So the question for you T-56 users with the stock hydraulics is: what long tube headers are you using and what clearance issues have you run into? I plan to lower no more than 2 inches overall, so hopefully ground clearance won't be an issue..

Planned setup is a 97 LT1/LT4 with 97 T-56, Hurst shifter, stock clutch setup, long tubes and true duals, new crossmember.

In a couple more months hopefully.

I had the T-56 in my old 86 before I parted the car out, so that qualifies me for the list anyhow!! LOL!!!
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/31/10 12:35 PM

Call SPEC Clutch they have a flywheel that will bolt to a 2 peice rear main seal crank and mate up with a T-56 clutch setup.

I am using it with my Big Block
Posted By: texlurch

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/31/10 12:42 PM

Originally Posted By: TURNA
Call SPEC Clutch they have a flywheel that will bolt to a 2 peice rear main seal crank and mate up with a T-56 clutch setup.

I am using it with my Big Block


Since I am putting the LT4 in it anyhow in another month or so, I can't see spending extra funds for a spare flywheel to use on the 305. I still have the motor out of the 86 if I really feel the need to put the T56 in the car sooner; I'll just swap the whole thing...
Posted By: 85MonTeZZ4

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/04/10 09:12 PM

Add me to the list!!! Just took my first drive and it's better than I ever could have imagined!

Much thanks to 85_SS and SS4ever for helping me throughout the process and everyone else's input!

I'm running a WC T5 out of an 89 Camaro with the stock clutch and stock hydros, hydro TO bearing from speedway motors (so i wouldnt have to scrap my longtube headers), JohnB pedal, iceman crossmember.

pics to come...
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/05/10 06:56 PM

Welcome to the club, changes the whole personality of the car, for the better!!
Bob
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/06/10 12:21 AM

Great news Jimmy! It's definitely an awesome feeling taking it our for the first time with a manual transmission! yup
Posted By: Lincoln7

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/09/10 01:24 PM

Official New Manual Monte Member! I finished yesterday and took a quick ride around the block(with open headers). It was AWESOME! I have one of John B's pedals in the mail as my Fbody pedals just aren't working the best for me. I went with an LT1 T56, centerforce FW, Zoom clutch, and stock 4th gen Fbody hydraulics. Driveshaft was 47.5" going to my 8.5 rear. Also using a Cyberdyne speedometer to utelize the electric signal.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/26/10 07:59 PM

A while back someone here made a console plate with a boot for a manual shifter. Does anyone remember who it was?

It looked like this...

Posted By: 85_SS

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/26/10 09:54 PM

It was Bill (ZZ430T56?), but he no longer makes them. This is what I have in my car and FrankOC ended up with the one you linked above. It was a real nice factory looking piece IMO.
Posted By: killer86

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/02/10 01:19 AM

Looks like I've just joined as of last Thursday. I'm running '79 Malibu pedals and z-bar, WC T5, hydraulic bellhousing from an 80's Camaro with the bracket for the slave cut off, and a custom lower linkage bar to make it all work. I call it my Franken-clutch and I highly recomend that no one else does it this way lmao

Soon I'll be using a scattershield with the proper mechanical clutch fork so my pedal is a little easier on the leg.

I managed to source all the parts I needed, purchase them, and complete the swap in less than two weeks while working full time. Just in time for the GM Nats at Carlisle too. I can't believe how much better it is than my clunky old slush'o'matic.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/31/10 10:18 PM

For those running a LT1 Style T-56 or a hydraulic T-5 setup.

How far does the clutch fork travel when you push down the pedal?
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/31/10 10:58 PM

Spec is 17mm. I get about 20mm.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/01/10 12:42 AM

So less than an inch is enough for the throw out bearing to disengage the pressure plate?
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/01/10 04:55 AM

Yes, the slave has surprisingly very little travel...
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/01/10 10:14 AM

Well thats good to hear, I thought I did something wrong when I seen that it was barely moving when I pushed the pedal down.
Posted By: Monte Capuletti

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/09/10 10:36 PM

Hello everyone

I am just embarking on putting a manual in my 87 Aerocoupe

I am using a Dixie clutch pedal setup with mechanical linkage, G force crossmember, M22 "Rockcrusher" , Lakewood scattershield I was wondering what headers anyone has used to clear the linkage

any info is appreciated

Thanks
Posted By: Houlie

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/09/10 10:41 PM

I'm using Hooker headers with my Mechanical linkage, and everything clears just fine
Posted By: Monte Capuletti

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/10/10 12:37 AM

Any ideas of which Hookers they where? thanks
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/10/10 01:28 AM

GSI Interiors is out of business? Or did they get a new website?
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/10/10 02:29 AM

Originally Posted By: Monte Capuletti
Any ideas of which Hookers they where? thanks


Best to ask this guy grin
Posted By: Houlie

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/10/10 11:08 AM

Originally Posted By: 85_SS
Originally Posted By: Monte Capuletti
Any ideas of which Hookers they where? thanks


Best to ask this guy grin


Pretty funny Ken usa, perhaps if we need some help with metric conversions, or the translation of the canadian national anthem we can ask you......(and here's the required smiley face, so you dont run to Paul) grin

As far as the Hooker parts # I will get the for you later on today, when I check my records as what I ordered and paid for, not the other guy.....he just put them on
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/10/10 01:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Houlie
Pretty funny Ken usa, perhaps if we need some help with metric conversions, or the translation of the canadian national anthem we can ask you......(and here's the required smiley face, so you dont run to Paul) grin

As far as the Hooker parts # I will get the for you later on today, when I check my records as what I ordered and paid for, not the other guy.....he just put them on


It's Kevin... Ronald wink

If you need help finding metric sockets for working on the Monte, feel free to give me a shout, they're everywhere up here smile

Canadian National Anthem

Anything else I can help you with today?

Posted By: Houlie

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/10/10 02:41 PM

Originally Posted By: 85_SS
Originally Posted By: Houlie
Pretty funny Ken usa, perhaps if we need some help with metric conversions, or the translation of the canadian national anthem we can ask you......(and here's the required smiley face, so you dont run to Paul) grin

As far as the Hooker parts # I will get the for you later on today, when I check my records as what I ordered and paid for, not the other guy.....he just put them on


It's Kevin... Ronald wink

If you need help finding metric sockets for working on the Monte, feel free to give me a shout, they're everywhere up here smile

Canadian National Anthem

Anything else I can help you with today?



Its Ron first off, friends call me Houlie, so Ron will be fine for you.....

sure....can you tell me which hooker headers I bought?

...and what happen you my signature....it was Monte related wasn't it?
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/10/10 03:43 PM

Not sure why it needs to be spelt out Houlie, but you changed your sig to once again purposely get around the language filter with an image. Your are officially the first member to have signature privileges removed, be sure to tell all your friends! wink
Posted By: Joe87monteSS

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/07/10 07:12 PM

Not sure if this was posted, but this site has been updated with lots of good info and pictures.

http://gbodyforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=15430
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/07/10 07:41 PM

Here is a little update.......


Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/07/10 07:54 PM

Wow that is clean!
Posted By: oceanhighz

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/10/10 09:53 PM

very nice turna!
Posted By: MarauderPrime

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/25/10 11:41 PM

does anyone know if John B is still making his pedal? I formerly had an 85 non-ss with a T56, the F-body hydraulics, and Johns pedal which was beautiful might I add. I parted it out to members on here to buy books for school. I finished school, and got a job, and now I'm going to build another one. I'd prefer to use his pedal again.
Posted By: rons87mcss

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/25/10 11:49 PM

I'm sure it is still avail. but I do believe that JohnB can at times be hard to get ahold of considering he travels alot.
FWIW, GSI interiors offers one that I've never heard anything bad about and it's a touch cheaper.
Posted By: MarauderPrime

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/26/10 12:19 AM

i looked at it, doesnt look like its as nice. I'm sure it works, but John's pedal was laser cut with bronze bushings, and it also had a bend in it to perfectly line up the master cyl pushrod with the dimples in the floorpan. it "Felt" factory
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/26/10 03:50 PM

I'll admit it. I need help. Nothing in Search, so I am suprised if I am the first guy ever trying to mount an LS- T56 to a 2pc RMS crank.

I got a complete LS7 Z06 flywheel and clutch with the transmission purchase. Here's what I'm learning only AFTER attempting to install everything;
1. I find out I of course need to change to a Gen1 2pc flywheel. OK
2. I was told by a popular online speed parts tech that I "should" still be able to bolt the LS7 p/p and clutch to it.
3. Every picture I see of a 2pc flywheel is that it's flush across the entire surface, without a recess that the LS- flywheel has for the disc spring pack.
4. If an LS- clutch won't bolt to a 2pc flywheel then I obviously have to change to an old style 2pc clutch and p/p. OK
5. But, if I do that then can I still use the neat Rhino LS- pusher slave cyl. setup, or do I then have to switch to an LT- puller type slave or even scrap the hyd. and revert to a mech. linkage? (which I obviously prefer not to do at this point)

I already spent $400 on a Quicktime LS- to Gen1 adapter bellhousing. So, I don't mind doing what it takes to make it go. But, I'm naturally afraid of accumulating parts that will never work together. Obviously.

Any thoughts from those who have been there? Thanks
Posted By: 88 ISStock

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/26/10 03:55 PM

Originally Posted By: rons87mcss
I'm sure it is still avail. but I do believe that JohnB can at times be hard to get ahold of considering he travels alot.
FWIW, GSI interiors offers one that I've never heard anything bad about and it's a touch cheaper.


Yes, I believe he makes them up in batches. I got one and it took a bit, but I knew it going in. The quality is great, and what tilted me to his unit was feedback on fitment. I hope to get it installed someday once a few other details get ironed out. haha
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/31/10 05:21 AM

Email John directly, bzdel@earthlink.net, should be a good address, he usually answers.
Bob
Posted By: Gene Stauffer

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/12/10 04:47 PM

I'll be part of the cult by spring. Just picked up a TKO-600 last week. I will be running a McLeod SFI bell and a mechanical clutch, no hydro for me.

The clutch pedal and Z-bar assembly is from an 80 Malibu, with the z-bar reinforced and otherwise improved. The car currently has a 700R-4; I think I can use my current crossmember with some small modifications.

What clutch fork have you guys found to work with full-length headers?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/12/10 05:12 PM

Straight one
Posted By: the_merv

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/20/10 12:35 AM

Hi..figured I'd chime in here.

This is my car at the moment..



And this is what's goin in..



408ci LQ4/L92 Stroker with a T56 behind it that I built. Rear is a 9" with 3.89 Gears.

Hydraulics are pretty easy since it's the new LS Stuff, the plan for the Pedal so far is one out of a G-body that was a Manual. I have a friend that has one laying around.

I figure the shifter will come out right at where most of your's are.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/20/10 01:17 AM

sweet!!
Posted By: kubihibi

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/20/10 01:20 AM

My new mechanic buddy is trying to convince me to put a close ratio muncie in my monte: yay or ney ?
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/20/10 02:08 AM

I love the M-22 but it all depends on what you are doing with the car.

Race only? Street and race? Or just street?

I put the 6 speed in my car so I can have my fun, but can also go and cruise.

Maybe even go for a ride out of state and not worry about stopping into every other a gas station to fill up.
Posted By: Joe87monteSS

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/20/10 02:53 AM

Originally Posted By: kubihibi
My new mechanic buddy is trying to convince me to put a close ratio muncie in my monte: yay or ney ?



I'm working on getting an M21 in mine. Its not a daily driver, so mileage is not a factor.
Posted By: Egan

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/20/10 02:18 PM

I am the newest member of the manual trans club drove it for the first time yesterday.
1986 monte ss
396 big block
t5
373 posi
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/20/10 03:16 PM

Originally Posted By: Egan
I am the newest member of the manual trans club drove it for the first time yesterday.
1986 monte ss
396 big block
t5
373 posi


Gratz...better go easy on that T-5, built or not they can't handle that big block torque!!!
Posted By: kubihibi

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/20/10 06:25 PM

Street and race, of course.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/20/10 10:19 PM

The T-5 can barely handle those 302 Fords!!!!!
Posted By: kubihibi

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/21/10 02:54 AM

What? Oh wait, you aren't considering aftermarket parts! Ok, that makes sense then.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/21/10 03:28 AM

aftermarket or not a T5 can't handle a big blocks torque.

Once you start racing it, power shifting and running slicks you will see what I am talking about
Posted By: the_merv

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/21/10 03:42 AM

The T5 will fall apart..that's why I've always built T56's...BIG difference.
Posted By: Egan

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/21/10 02:18 PM

Yea I am aware of what people say about these trannies but I have a friend with a 347 stroker supercharged making plenty of power and it is holding up fine and for the price I got the trans for it was hard to beat so we will see what happens live and learn
Posted By: rons87mcss

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/21/10 03:10 PM

I am planning on running a 383 w/ my T5 eek but of course I will know going in that I can't go jerking the crap out of it.
The weakness in the T5 (from my understanding) relates alot to the case design itself (flex) even after all the 'bullet proof' upgrades are installed frown

I have too much money tied up in a weak trans NOT to use it though driving
Posted By: Gene Stauffer

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/23/10 12:21 AM

Can we get some pix posted up of what some of you guys have done to get a shifter in the factory console? I'm hoping to make it look as clean as possible, i.e., I want my Monte to look like it came from the factory with a stick-box. No chrome trim rings around the bottom of the boot, and no gaudy knob. I'm thinking a mid-80's Camaro shifter handle and knob. But what to do about the console plate?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/23/10 12:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Gene Stauffer
Can we get some pix posted up of what some of you guys have done to get a shifter in the factory console? I'm hoping to make it look as clean as possible, i.e., I want my Monte to look like it came from the factory with a stick-box. No chrome trim rings around the bottom of the boot, and no gaudy knob. I'm thinking a mid-80's Camaro shifter handle and knob. But what to do about the console plate?






Sorry I needed the "gaudy" knob for the Red-Button

Posted By: the_merv

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/23/10 01:20 AM

That looks good.
Posted By: Gene Stauffer

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/23/10 01:56 AM

That does look good.
Posted By: TPI Monte SS

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/23/10 04:44 AM

Here's mine - C5 Corvette shifter boot, Hurst leather handle and short shifter, and a game-table cup holder that fits a bottle of water perfectly.

Posted By: Monte Capuletti

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/24/10 08:51 PM

Anyone have an idea on headers with mechanical linkage?

Getting different answers everywhere

Hedman 68310 or 68316 some say they fit others dont

Hoooker 2451 or 2150

Aprreciate the help
Posted By: Houlie

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/24/10 10:25 PM

I have Hookers......believe 2150's....call Summit Tech and ask them
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/24/10 10:48 PM

When I had my small block and T-5, I used a set of Headman's shorty headers then swithed to Headman part number 68310.

As you can see in the pic the collector is short and will not interfere with the linkage.

Posted By: 06mcss

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/07/10 05:03 AM

does anyone know where I can get some clutch pedal stops?. don't have the means to make my own..tia...Bill
Posted By: Gene Stauffer

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/07/10 05:47 PM

Ordered a McLeod SFI bell and McLeod Super SteetPro clutch with a Summit brand (RAM, I believe) flywheel this morning. Should have it by the end of the week. grin

Time for the wrenches to start flying!
Posted By: TURNA

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/07/10 07:31 PM

Originally Posted By: SWT SS
does anyone know where I can get some clutch pedal stops?. don't have the means to make my own..tia...Bill


I think OPG sells them.
Posted By: 06mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/08/10 02:35 PM

does anyone have pics of the clutch pedal stops? I need to get some put on my clutch pedal, any info as to where to get them and pics of them installed would be greatly helpful...tia..Bill
Posted By: the_merv

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/28/10 05:59 AM

What Pedal are you using?

The Pedal I'm using in mine kinda stops itself cause of the way it's shaped.
Posted By: 06mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/01/11 07:30 PM

can anyone tell me the amount of ATF dexron III fluid to use in my 89 t5 tranny? will it take approx. 5 qts or ?...tia Bill
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/01/11 08:22 PM

About 3 quarts.

There is a fill hole on the side.

Fill it up untill it comes out of the fill hole.

Like you were filling a rear end.
Posted By: 06mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/01/11 09:36 PM

turna, ok thanks. I got 5qts of GM dexron 4 ATF just in case..tks again.
Posted By: the_merv

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/01/11 10:30 PM

I've always put 4 in them, read that in the Tremec T56 Spec Guide.

I fill them through the Shifter hole, just make sure you have the Driveshaft in when you do it.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/01/11 11:18 PM

He has a T5 not a T56
Posted By: 06mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/03/11 07:28 PM

another ?...I am making mod to my gforce crossmember to fit the t5. I have the tranny up in the tunnel, how high is the base suppose to be in the tunnel? is it suppose to be level with the tunnel or a slightly higher then the tunnel. I am adding a piece of 18 gauge metal for the tranny mount to be welded to the crossmember and want to be sure I get it welded in the correct place...tia...Bill
Posted By: the_merv

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/04/11 03:13 PM

Originally Posted By: TURNA
He has a T5 not a T56


Ah..reading fails me.
Posted By: 1988montecarloss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/09/11 07:23 AM

i found a t-56 6spd trans out of an LS1 powered camaro on craigslist for $700 obo,

i was wondering how hard it would be to put this trans in my monte? and where would i get the clutch pedals etc. ? what would i have to do to put it in?

and is the t-56 a hydraulic or cable transmission?

and iirc the torque ratings on these are 450 lb ft, right?

i plan on either putting a built carbed lq4 6.0 in it or a turbocharged efi 5.3 in it.

thanks for any help guys!!! whitefront
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/09/11 12:24 PM

The T-56 is a hydraulic throw out bearing.

The Clutch pedal can be bought from John B.
If you look through the pages there will be a link to his site.
I use his oedal and it is a great piece.

GSI interiors also makes a pedal, but I never used it or seen it. So I can't say how good it is or how it works.

HP and Torque ratings or paper is one thing on the street is another.

On paper the T-56 is the strongest car trans built.

Anyone that has driven a stock one hard will strongly diagree.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/09/11 12:38 PM

Originally Posted By: 1988montecarloss
i found a t-56 6spd trans out of an LS1 powered camaro on craigslist for $700 obo,

i was wondering how hard it would be to put this trans in my monte? and where would i get the clutch pedals etc. ? what would i have to do to put it in?

and is the t-56 a hydraulic or cable transmission?

and iirc the torque ratings on these are 450 lb ft, right?

i plan on either putting a built carbed lq4 6.0 in it or a turbocharged efi 5.3 in it.

thanks for any help guys!!! whitefront


I am running the same set-up currently in my car. Using a mechanical linkage set-up (Z-Bar), instead of hydraulics. Works perfect, shifts fine, no problems at all
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/09/11 01:44 PM

Originally Posted By: Houlie
I am running the same set-up currently in my car. Using a mechanical linkage set-up (Z-Bar), instead of hydraulics. Works perfect, shifts fine, no problems at all


You are using a mechanaical linkage setup behind an LS series engine?
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/09/11 04:11 PM

Originally Posted By: TURNA
Originally Posted By: Houlie
I am running the same set-up currently in my car. Using a mechanical linkage set-up (Z-Bar), instead of hydraulics. Works perfect, shifts fine, no problems at all


You are using a mechanaical linkage setup behind an LS series engine?


whooops sorry, didnt read fully what he was running for a motor...

...nope I'm running a ZZ383 GM Performance Crate Motor
Posted By: LM7MCSS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/20/11 08:05 PM

wish i could drive manual...that chirp of tires is like greatest sound ever!..FML
Posted By: pearl83SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/09/11 01:28 AM

forgive me if this was already brought up, but how much does it cost to do a manual swap? what end price could be expected (for just the trans swap, not including buying a mechanical secondary carb)?
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/10/11 05:05 AM

Not possible to put a dollar value on "a manual swap", to many variables. But if I had to put a price range it would be somewhere between $500 and $6000. The low end is pulling a well used complete stick setup out of a Malibu with a Saginaw 4 spd. The high end would be a worked T56 or Richmond 6, scattershield, dual disc clutch, new driveshaft, et. The swap can get pricey quick. It's like any other performance mod, "what are your expectations". Today there are a dozen different trans to pick from.

No reason to put a mechanical carb on a stick setup, run any carb you want.
Bob
Posted By: the_merv

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/12/11 04:47 AM

I'm running a Hydraulic Clutch with my setup..it's the stock Master from any LS1 F-body, or V6 one from that era. As funny as it sounds the V6 Master is a better one to go with.

The angle on the Fire Wall had to me "massaged" with the 2lb Hammer to get it to work right. Pedal is from a 91 Camaro with a custom Bushing.

Trans in good shape will run $1300ish, Master & Slave about $300, decent Clutch setup is $600, then you have to get the Pedal installed and Crossmember. Also a Driveshaft, since the T56 is 3" longer than the 2004R.

Stock form they hold decent..I build mine with a 700hp/tq kit, it works as smooth as butter.
Posted By: Gene Stauffer

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/12/11 09:43 PM

Originally Posted By: pearl83SS
forgive me if this was already brought up, but how much does it cost to do a manual swap? what end price could be expected (for just the trans swap, not including buying a mechanical secondary carb)?


My swap is going to wind up costing close to $4k. $3300 got me a Summit brand steel SFI flywheel, a McLeod Super StreetPro clutch and McLeod SFI bell, and a TKO600. Now I neeed a driveshaft, a shifter handle, speedometer drive, crossmember (I'm fabricating my own using round tube, and miscellaneous other parts. I have a pedal setup from an 80 Malibu, that didn't cost me anything.
Posted By: 85t5mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/12/11 11:52 PM

Definitely will vary, but mine is on the low end.
Trans, bellhousing, clutch, shifter, slave, master=FREE-Bought a wrecked Camaro for $500. Sold the TPI, engine, rear end....And made money on it plus got to keep a few parts. BUT, I could have bought trans, bell, and used clutch for $250.
Driveshaft-I bought a nice DOM $150
Flywheel since I had a 2 pc block $60
Crossmember-$125
Pedal-$200 but could have used the Camaro pedals for Free
Speedo gear and housing $20

I did reuse everything I could, flywheel bolts, starter, exhaust, trans mount....I upgraded them later.

I have about $550 in it but I can subtract more money from the parts I sold from the Camaro. It even had a nice B&M Shifter.
Posted By: the_merv

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/13/11 05:55 AM

I always get a new Master & Slave..that's just me tho, I guess it depends on how good of shape you find a used one.
Posted By: pearl83SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/16/11 02:33 AM

im seriously considering this swap...im contemplating putting it out of commission for the summer or doing this swap over next winter and collect parts this summer. gonna be a lot of work. i really dont want to have to change my steering column!
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/16/11 03:08 AM

You don't have to change your steering column.
Posted By: pearl83SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/20/11 09:33 PM

is there a plastic piece i can put on the column in place of the stock shifter lever plastic?
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/20/11 10:06 PM

Options to eliminate a shifter on the steering column:
1. remove pin and shifter arm leaving the stockbowl. People will ask, "was this an originally a column shift?".
2. after removing shifter from column grind off the boss and body putty the hole, repaint.
3. get parts to change column over to a floor shift column, spend a Sat changing over.
4. buy a used floor shift G column, paint appropriately and install.

It's possible to make a true standard shift column but very few will go to that trouble, I didn't. The ignition switch/steering column lock is the difference. Information here at #17:
http://garage-scene.com/t5-into-ag-body/
Bob
Posted By: Mayhem

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/23/11 10:11 PM

My T56 (trimex) swap went very smoothly. I bought all I needed from JEGS brand new, including tranny. I told them what I was installing in and they gave all the correct parts. The only things I had to do what get a longer braded line from master to slave. I bought the reservoir off eBay. Shortend the drive shaft and I bought the GSI clutch pedal that installed with no problems. I even used the stock cross member. I did have to cut off the piece where tranny mounts and raise it up to get the proper angle. OH I also cut a little larger hole in floorboard so the shifter could be accessed from there. All I need to do is find somebody who has the speedo conversion part number and where to get it and I’m done…New carpet going in next then I work on getting it lowered.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/24/11 12:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Mayhem
All I need to do is find somebody who has the speedo conversion part number and where to get it and I’m done…


http://www.thegearbox.org/catalog/item/3838217/7084167.htm
Posted By: Gene Stauffer

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/08/11 11:57 PM

For the record... the Iceman crossmember is where it's at. Good piece, good price.
Posted By: Gene Stauffer

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/01/11 11:13 PM

Fabbed my own shift handle so it lines up in the console properly. It's hideous, but it will be covered up with a shifter boot so that doesn't matter.

Posted By: 85SScarman

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/05/11 02:32 AM

Well i finally joined the T56 club so maybe i can get the pedals in and the slave cylinder. Any tips that arent spoke of on here would be great
Posted By: onecool86

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/05/11 05:36 AM

will this work? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-1997...=item4aaa04c1b5
Posted By: Gene Stauffer

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/26/11 12:51 AM

Went with a Lokar boot and ring. Not entirely happy with it, but it looks ok I guess.

Posted By: Gene Stauffer

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/06/11 11:49 PM

Went for the "first drive" tonight. Shore is nice...

Guess I'm officially part of the Manual Monte cult.
Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/07/11 12:04 AM

Congrats. Shift boot looks good too.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/11/11 09:55 AM

Originally Posted By: FrankOC
Congrats. Shift boot looks good too.


.....X2
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/11/11 12:25 PM

I've got the same boot and ring, the only thing I don't like is the top is a bit loose. It sure helps when you have a reverse lockout collar though.
Posted By: rons87mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/29/11 09:58 PM

Ok, it took me almost 3 years to start the project, but I am now rowing gears driving
1989 WC T5, modified 3rd gen camaro pedals, T56 hydraulics, and zoom kevlar clutch kit. woot
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/30/11 01:31 AM

Originally Posted By: rons87mcss
Ok, it took me almost 3 years to start the project, but I am now rowing gears driving
1989 WC T5, modified 3rd gen camaro pedals, T56 hydraulics, and zoom kevlar clutch kit. woot



Welcome aboard Ron!
Posted By: kubihibi

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/06/11 12:22 AM

Anyone here do manual with bench? Haven't run across anyone's post with that setup yet.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/06/11 11:12 AM

Originally Posted By: kubihibi
Anyone here do manual with bench? Haven't run across anyone's post with that setup yet.


Most of the factory G body cars that were factory sticks had bench seats.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/06/11 11:17 AM

Posted By: Monte Capuletti

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/06/11 09:30 PM

383 and M22 ready to go in the Aero
Posted By: Black Sunshine

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/17/11 04:03 AM

http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=904204#Post904204

I'm in! Took it for a short drive tonight. Freakin sweet! I just wanna thank all the pioneers that did the hard work before me. Especially John B. And Jay Orbison who had the first manual monte I ever rode in. I was hooked after that, just took 10 years to make it happen. lmao

blackside
Posted By: the_merv

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/09/11 05:22 AM

Originally Posted By: rons87mcss
Ok, it took me almost 3 years to start the project, but I am now rowing gears driving
1989 WC T5, modified 3rd gen camaro pedals, T56 hydraulics, and zoom kevlar clutch kit. woot


I'm using a 1991 Camaro Pedal in my car with the T56 Hydraulics..it works. smile
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/24/11 04:06 AM

Houlie, the link you posted doesn't work anymore. I went to the T56 page and didnt see anything corresponding to the speedo conversion. I found the JTR http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Parts_T56_TailHousing.htm it goes for $350 but looking at the components and how they install it I was wondering if anyone had the guts to try this themselves?

I finally have my engine put together and slid the eng/trans in this morning now to go through the wiring and all the PIA details of getting this part completed.
Posted By: Houlie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/15/12 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: mymonte-ss
Houlie, the link you posted doesn't work anymore. I went to the T56 page and didnt see anything corresponding to the speedo conversion. I found the JTR http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Parts_T56_TailHousing.htm it goes for $350 but looking at the components and how they install it I was wondering if anyone had the guts to try this themselves?

I finally have my engine put together and slid the eng/trans in this morning now to go through the wiring and all the PIA details of getting this part completed.


I apologize for just seeing this response, and for the wrong link.....try this one

http://www.abbott-tach.com/cablex.htm
Posted By: Clutch_Grabwell

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/30/12 03:46 AM

Originally Posted By: mymonte-ss
Houlie, I went to the T56 page and didnt see anything corresponding to the speedo conversion. I found the JTR http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Parts_T56_TailHousing.htm it goes for $350 but looking at the components and how they install it I was wondering if anyone had the guts to try this themselves?

It looks like JTR finally took down the T56 tail housing page. Their site is still littered with dead links, however.
They quit the housing exchange service at least 10 years ago but still offered the parts and instructions kit when I was looking for it (about '03). Installing this wasn't about guts but finding a machine shop willing to decipher the instructions.
If you're willing to cobble an LS-style T56 to an old-school small block (hello, Ron) there's a new option: Southwest Fabrication.
Posted By: ls1_monte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/30/12 11:35 AM

I'm hoping to join the club in the next year. I have a T-56 in the corner waiting its turn in the monte
Posted By: DC87Monte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/16/12 07:31 PM

Well guys i decided to row gears but don't know what to look for in a t56 any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in advance.
Posted By: t8rtot

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/25/12 06:59 PM

where are you guys finding all of these F-body t56's to swap into your cars??

i'm not finding anything within 150 miles
Posted By: the_merv

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/25/12 09:32 PM

When I got mine I bought it from a guy in Texas. I tore it down and rebuilt it.
Posted By: Joe87monteSS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/23/12 11:53 AM

Well, today is the day that my car parts ways with the automatic transmission. The rest of the 4 speed parts are on the way.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/12 04:44 AM

All I can say is, it's about time Joey. I can remember meeting you at the Monte Nats, Nashville, 2002. Had just completed my T56 swap and Nashville was the test drive, from Philly.

My guess is you have the swap all figured out already. And that if you have a problem there's plenty of help if you start a separate post in Driveline.

I remember when JMD, Henry, Mark, Jay, me and several others started the registry on the montelist 10 years ago. When you took your test drive you were registered. But it was just a verbal registry, everyone knew who was a MMC. Later that year Marc started his showcase.
http://garage-scene.com/manual-trans-monte/
Bob

Are you using a Muncie, T10, or something else? I really do miss bangin three gears with a close ratio Muncie, the T56 just ain't as much fun.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/12 04:47 AM

All I can say is, it's about time Joey. I can remember meeting you at the Monte Nats, Nashville, 2002. Had just completed my T56 swap and Nashville was the test drive, from Philly.

My guess is you have the swap all figured out already. And that if you have a problem there's plenty of help if you start a separate post in Driveline.

I remember when JMD, Henry, Mark, Jay, me and several others started the registry on the montelist 10 years ago. When you took your test drive you were registered. But it was just a verbal registry, everyone knew who was a MMC. Later that year Marc started his showcase.
http://garage-scene.com/manual-trans-monte/
Bob

Are you using a Muncie, T10, or something else? I really do miss bangin three gears with a close ratio Muncie, the T56 just ain't as much fun.
Posted By: Joe87monteSS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/12 12:28 PM

Lol. Must've been a different Joey, as I wasn't at the Monte Nats..

I've got everything pretty well figured out. Close ratio Muncie 4 speed (M21) with new internals and Hurst steel bushings, Hays 85-100 clutch, SFI steel 24# flywheel for one piece RMS, Hurst Competition Plus shifter, factory Z bar, pedals, bellhousing, and Speed Direct linkage.

Also new Hooker headers on the way. The headers and flywheel are temporary until the 377 goes in. Then i'll go with 1 3/4 headers and have not decided on the flywheel yet, but it'll need to be for an early model..

All I've got to say is... it doesn't matter how careful or clean you can be, ATF will find its way onto everything... I even had the B&M pan with drain plug... Then, the bell got hung up on the headers.. No biggie, those needed to come off anyway..

So, 4 speed and 12 bolt swap are under way..
Posted By: 06mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/12 09:24 PM

howdy, ya'll...lol....got a quick question...I have had my t-5 in my monte for about a yr now....I am doing a 5.3L swap, wanting to keep the t-5...yeah I know a t-56 would be alot better. but I have the complete tranny and would like to keep it if possibile. anyways....doing this swap, I will need a 1pc rms flywheel, found one I could use with the t-5, but the cost if pricy. the 5.3L is a 02...will not see a strip and don't do streetracing or autocross...any idea's or suggestions on a less pricy flywheel I could use? the tranny is from a 89-92 camaro..wc v8...oh, going with carb'ed LS...tks Bill
Posted By: Jameson

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/24/12 11:09 PM

I think a T5 is much more difficult then a T56 to a 5.3... When swapping a GENII T56 to a GENIII LS series you need a different input shaft, as it isnt the right length. In a nut shell I will say it wont be easy since anything is possible with fabrication but will also take $$$$ as well. Last that T5 will be VERY short on life, and I think its overall not even worth the effort.
Posted By: Gene Stauffer

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/27/12 01:27 AM

Craigslist score on a manual steering column from a 79 El Camino. Combined parts from it with parts from an S-10 column to get the wiper controls on the turn signal lever (Elkys had the wiper switch on the dash). So I now have a stick shift Monte with a stick shift column! driving
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/30/12 04:47 PM

Good score on the column, is it a tilt column?

Only part of the stick swap I didn't do is the column, good intentions, just never found a column, or time to build one.

You may already have this info on the column,
http://garage-scene.com/t5-into-ag-body/

Or also a great link on rebuilding a GM column.
http://www.diyfiero.com/dropspot/Jazzman_Steering_Rack_Rebuild.pdf

The sister-in-law we don't talk to anymore lives on Franklin St, been to Womelsdorf many times.

Do you still have cruise control on the car?
Bob
Posted By: Gene Stauffer

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/06/12 03:52 PM

Not tilt. No cruise.
Posted By: 06mcss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/24/12 10:57 PM

I was told that an 94/95 manual 5 spd transmission clutch setup will work in a camaro t-5 tranny...is this correct?..tia Bill
Posted By: the_merv

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/26/12 03:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Jameson
I think a T5 is much more difficult then a T56 to a 5.3... When swapping a GENII T56 to a GENIII LS series you need a different input shaft, as it isnt the right length. In a nut shell I will say it wont be easy since anything is possible with fabrication but will also take $$$$ as well. Last that T5 will be VERY short on life, and I think its overall not even worth the effort.


Just like mentioned here..to swap the LT1 T56 you need the LS1 Input Shaft & Front Plate. Bellhousing aswell.
T5 is more work and a very weak Trans behind a Gen III V8.
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/30/12 10:25 PM

So...is this bus full or is there room for yet another member? laugh


Plan is in place

Step one (procurement of main parts) is in motion...parts should be here Thursday...
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/05/12 04:05 PM

Question... How does the PCM on the original car a T56 might have come out of...know to open the reverse lockout gate?

I'm trying to figure out the best way to configure an idiot-proof switch to open the reverse lockout gate on my LT1 T56.
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/05/12 05:04 PM

I'm sure it makes sure the car is stationary and maybe that the brake is being held. I'd just put a momentary switch somewhere that you won't bump it so that you don't have to remember to re-lock it.
Posted By: cs85ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/05/12 06:46 PM

samoco industries has a reverse lockout control module. havent used though.
samocoind.com
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/05/12 07:12 PM

Interesting...thanks...

http://samocoind.com/T56MODULE.html

I've sent them an email asking for more info on it.
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/05/12 08:17 PM

Just talked to Nate on the phone, sounds like a neat guy. I think I am going to try one of these.

6 wires and the module. You tap into the VSS and lockout solenoid (he also has the connectors for both) and a power and ground. Once the module senses that you are over 5 mph it closes the reverse lockout gate.

Easy Peasy...
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/05/12 11:33 PM

Good to see someone has finally come up with a VSS controlled module for the T56 swap. Only works if you have a T56 with VSS, which is most of the swaps. The aftermarket T56 has mechanical speedo, uses the Viper tailhousing, so it won't work with that T56.

Many years ago a friend with an LT1 T56 in his Monte was working on a module for reverse lockout, unfortunately he sold his car and gave up on the idea.
Bob
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/05/12 11:34 PM

You don't need it just push it and it will go
Posted By: 1 Slow SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/06/12 01:03 AM

Originally Posted By: mmc427ss
Good to see someone has finally come up with a VSS controlled module for the T56 swap. Only works if you have a T56 with VSS, which is most of the swaps. The aftermarket T56 has mechanical speedo, uses the Viper tailhousing, so it won't work with that T56.

Many years ago a friend with an LT1 T56 in his Monte was working on a module for reverse lockout, unfortunately he sold his car and gave up on the idea.
Bob




I would think if you have cruise control even with the viper tail housing it could be done??

Posted By: cs85ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/06/12 05:06 AM

let me know how it works out if you dont mind being a guinea pigs, i just set mine in place today.
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/07/12 07:39 PM

Just found out about another one...

http://cart.grcperformance.com/oscommerce/product_info.php?cPath=51&products_id=69

T56 6 speed Reverse Lockout Actuator
[reverselocko] $99.95


Here is the latest product from GRC Performance. It is the T56 6 speed reverse lockout actuator. This unit will lock out reverse above 3 mph and unlock reverse below 3 mph. It does this by picking up the signals from the VSS sensor through the yellow wire, red is switched power, and black is ground. Currently, the only way to put the transmission in reverse is to force it in with 2 hands which overpowers the actuator mounted on the side of the transmission. The unit is contained in a weatherproof housing for durability, and comes with a factory style connector for the trans mounted actuator and additional connectors for the other wires. This unit will eliminate the need for manually operated toggle switches or other devices that can allow the driver to accidentally put the transmission into reverse will driving.
Posted By: Clutch_Grabwell

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/08/12 01:55 AM

Is this device specifically designed to work with our 2000 ppm VSS signal? If so, it's going on the to-do list. I'm sick of wrestling the stick into reverse. Plan B was to swap a softer spring into the actuator, but this looks like a good deal.
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/08/12 12:51 PM

Both pieces say they tap into the VSS on the T56 and the reverse lockout switch on the T56 and just need a 12v lead and a ground to make them work. The GRC piece looks like comes with the correct plugs already in place...pretty much plug and play.
Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/08/12 06:24 PM

This one is now on my winter to-do list.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/09/12 06:44 AM

As stated the stock speedo VSS is 2000 pulses per mile.

Doing some math to calculate the output per mile on a GM trans mounted VSS would be:
A 26" tall tire rotates 800 times per mile, a 3.73 rear gear multiplies this to the driveshaft, 2984 shaft revs per mile. The VSS sensor outputs 40 pulses per shaft rotation, 119,360 ppm. That's a little more than the antigue 2000 ppm stock VSS.

Here's some good reading on VSS; http://www.jagsthatrun.com/V8-chapters/V8-tpi-Speed-Sensors.pdf

Bob
Posted By: SS Ninja

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/09/12 09:05 PM

Hey guys,

If you had to do it all over again, what pedal setup would you use if you wanted hydraulic linkage?

I'm torn between a modified set of thirdgen F-body pedals and the John B/GSI clutch pedal.

Based on this, it doesn't seem as if there would be much modification needed to make the F-body pedals work:

http://www.monte-list.com/tech/fivespeed.shtml

That said, I believe that Ron and a few other people mentioned modifications to the clutch pedal due to the difference between the F-body and G-body firewalls?
http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ub...0249#Post730249
Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/09/12 11:21 PM

Another winter project Dave?

I don't have a welder, (nor the skills to use one if I did own one). I purchased a pedal from John B and it was truly plug and play.
Posted By: SS Ninja

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/10/12 12:25 AM

I've been talking about it for years, Frank!

Debating that or a Watts link and a new steering box from Lee (Which I was supposed to buy months ago and then decided to spend the money on an ice hockey league couch )


You, Houlie, and Steve are killing me with your T56 talk.
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/16/12 08:57 PM

Well, quite a pile of parts have started to accumulate on the table.

I think I'm going to start the process this weekend by putting the clutch pedal, clutch master cylinder and the digital dash in. Then maybe next weekend I'll get to the actual transplanting.
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/17/12 01:26 AM

Originally Posted By: FrankOC

I don't have a welder, (nor the skills to use one if I did own one). I purchased a pedal from John B and it was truly plug and play.


x2
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/17/12 12:55 PM

How do you guys with the JohnB pedal like the pedal effort? I've operated the clutches on a few different G-body swaps and have always been very disappointed at how difficult it is to push in the clutch. I wouldn't want to drive any of the ones I have felt daily, except for my latest design in my car.

Basically, I'm trying to decide if there is enough interest for me to go purchase a press, an oxy/acetelyne setup, and the raw materials to start fabricating clutch pedal setups that have the feel of an OEM vehicle. It would be a clutch pedal, master cylinder, and a bracket to mount the master properly, plus all the hardware.

My biggest reserve at this point is that I have never personally felt one of John B's setups before, so I don't know if there is really a reason to introduce something new.
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/17/12 03:24 PM

I find it pretty stiff compared to other hydraulic setups I've driven. In fact, I'd say it's even stiffer than my mechanical GTO clutch (M21). It's not terrible by any means (my wife can drive it no problem), and while I wouldn't have a problem driving it daily, it's not something I'd want to drive regularly in stop and go traffic.
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/19/12 05:37 PM

OK, thanks Kevin.

Anybody else have thoughts about whether you'd want to see something like what I described above?
Posted By: SS Ninja

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/19/12 06:06 PM

Bernie, I'd be ALL over that as long as it's similar in price to the John B/GSI pedal.
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/19/12 06:14 PM

What are you guys running the John B pedal on a hydraulic clutch setup doing or using for a Neutral safety switch?
Posted By: 85_SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/19/12 10:33 PM

I don't have one - it's something that I personally don't see a need for to be honest. I've never left my cars in gear and found that when I used to get in one after someone else (who has left it in gear), I would tend to depress the clutch to start the car and immediately release, causing the car to buck forward anyways LOL. I quickly made it a habbit to give the shifter a quick check, which is of course more effective than a NSS smile As for someone (ie. a child) trying to start a car while in gear a) it won't start and b) it will give much less of a "buck" while trying. I also have other safety/theft prevention measures that would prevent one from even being able to turn the car over by way of a column lock and kill switch.
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/21/12 04:30 PM

So what is my cult membership status now?

All necessary parts have now been acquired (I believe) for the T56 install. Only question still out there is what will have to be done to my G-Force cross member to accommodate the T56 mount.

The holes are cut in the floor for the Master Cylinder install and it is mocked into place, the John B pedal is installed on my brake pedal assembly and the dash is wired for the new gauge cluster to accommodate the electronic VSS signal.

I've got the next 4 days off to remove the 200R4, mock the new bell and trans into place and install all of the small accumulated parts and pieces to make it all work nice together.

Hopefully by Sunday I'll be measuring for the cuts to be made on the drive shaft then a test drive shortly thereafter.
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/22/12 06:28 PM

So, what are my replacement header choices... mad




Here are the remaining initial fit pics...









Happy Thanksgiving everyone...


Oh yeah, one more question...when cutting out the floor for the shifter, did everyone cut enough for the reverse lockout to fit through also or did you bend that part up with a hammer?

Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/22/12 08:55 PM

Hammered the floor for the reverse lockout.
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/26/12 04:01 PM

Okay, question about the wires for the VSS.

There are two wires going to the plug, which one goes to the speedometer and I'm assuming the other one is key switched power?

I've read that connector part number 88987978 is the one to use for the VSS, but when searched on Rock Auto that comes up as Coolant temp sensor. Looks like they are the same, just different colored wires... also found this connector on eBay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/T56-VSS-Speed-Se...n-/200744829506

Don't care about the color of the wires, just need to make sure I know which one goes where.

The GRC reverse lockout module talked about above is still on backorder. If I don't get a delivery date from them today, I'll go back to the other module and get it ordered along with the connectors.
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/28/12 12:43 PM

Lance,

My dynatech long tubes clear my bell housing and slave cylinder pretty easily.

Exhaust page of my site

I know, different trans... here is a pic of my bellhousing for reference.

Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/29/12 02:28 AM

Well dammnit anyway. mad

The Hedman shorty headers hit both the cross member and the motor mount a 1\2" before the bolt holes line up on the driver's side. LOVE how the passenger side fits though.

I HATE headers...
Posted By: Spnkzss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/29/12 01:27 PM

Went with a Tremec TKO 5-speed using '94 Camaro hydraulics and a John Bzdel pedal assembly. Complete right up on my web page that I haven't touched in 10 years or so.

Figured my first post had to be about being a proud MMC Member.
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/05/12 01:14 AM

I'm OH so very close now... laugh

Finished buttoning up the underside tonight, dust shield, starter, drive shaft etc.

Steering column and everything around it still left inside and inner fender wells left under the hood.

Then it's fire off time...just long enough to make sure it moves and get it on a trailer to get it to the exhaust shop on Sunday.

Get the register out journal keeper, it's gonna need a new entry soon.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/05/12 04:02 AM

Rob, good to hear from ya, been a long time since the days of MMC with Matt, Rob, Steve, Henry, and who can forget Crazy Bill and the rest of the Monte-List.

Back in those days when we started the MMC it had to be driven to register. Lance, could you step it up a little, I'm getting anxious.
Bob
Posted By: Spnkzss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/07/12 02:01 PM

Originally Posted By: mmc427ss
Rob, good to hear from ya, been a long time since the days of MMC with Matt, Rob, Steve, Henry, and who can forget Crazy Bill and the rest of the Monte-List.

Back in those days when we started the MMC it had to be driven to register. Lance, could you step it up a little, I'm getting anxious.
Bob


It has been awhile. Good to hear from you too.

The monte came home finally from 5 years of storage. I actually put it up for sale for a stupid low price. Then got in it, it started right up and began to do donuts on the rock hard dry rotted tires. Now it sits in my driveway forcing me to look at it every day. I've been slowly tinkering. I keep not wanting to work on it because "if I'm going to fix this, then I might as well wait and do this too" attitude. Now it's more of a get it driving properly, put some miles on it and the upgrades will come. Hope to put more miles on it in 2013 then I have in years 2005-2012 combined.
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/08/12 03:42 AM

Okay registrar...add another to the Official List



Ran it through all six gears on the lift, then backed it out down the drive, turned it around and backed back into the garage...then drove it up on the trailer for tomorrow morning's run to the muffler shop.

Clutch feels great, no strange noises (heard above the open headers anyway) it's all good so far.

So happy to have joined the Official Manual Monte Cult Register. laugh
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/09/12 08:19 PM

Just a little proof it's now driveable...

http://youtu.be/y7v6S6yFaOU

LOVING it so far!

1450 RPMs @ 60 mph in 6th gear, about 1680 RPMs or so at 70 mph.

Lugged it up the hill into my driveway in 2nd gear at under 1,000 RPM and it pulled right up the hill without hinting at stalling.

I've got an exhaust leak, gonna have to re-do some of the X-pipe connections and still need to upgrade the shifter and come up with boot and finish off the console plate...but it's driveable now.

3 weeks and a day... Not too bad I don't think.
Posted By: ls1_monte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/09/12 08:29 PM

Good job on gettin it done in such a short time frame!! smile

What clutch disc did you use?? OEM or aftermarket?? I'm thinkin of goin with a monster stage 2 on mine, but I got a long ways to go before I'll be rowin 'em!
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/09/12 08:44 PM

I used the stock one that came with my trans, was out of a 94 Camaro with supposedly 59,000 miles on it.

So far everything has worked smoothly with it. I think the clutch pedal is fairly easy to push, but my Dad thinks it's stiff. Have had zero troubles putting in gear, upshifting or downshifting so far.
Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/09/12 09:42 PM

Congrats Lance!
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/09/12 11:31 PM

Thanks Frank

I really owe a huge gratitude to all of you that forged the path ahead of me and shared your knowledge willingly. Most every step I encountered you all had already figured out

If not for the header delays and the extra time spent installing the gauges it wouldn't have taken more than about two weekends to get er done
Posted By: Monte_ExpreSS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/10/12 02:14 AM

In the words of a friend, "It's a HOT ROD"!!!!!!

Nice job Lance, what are you going to do for the rest of the winter, you work too fast!

Question, unless this was the longest test drive ever, why is the odometer reading 74XXX already lol?

Regardless, you are lucky to be test driving the car at this time of year. Enjoy it, ya done good!
Posted By: Monte_ExpreSS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/10/12 02:18 AM

Oh, been meaning to ask you, did you choose #85 to match the year of your car, or was it just a super cool coincidence?
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/10/12 02:19 AM

Originally Posted By: Monte_ExpreSS


Nice job Lance, what are you going to do for the rest of the winter, you work too fast!

Question, unless this was the longest test drive ever, why is the odometer reading 74XXX already lol?

Regardless, you are lucky to be test driving the car at this time of year. Enjoy it, ya done good!



Thanks!!

Next on the list is to save my money back up for some track wheels and tires...

I set the odometer on the new speedometer to match the stock one I took out...

And it's gonna be 12 degrees here tonight with wind chills below zero tomorrow morning, I got it done just in time!!
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/10/12 02:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Monte_ExpreSS
Oh, been meaning to ask you, did you choose #85 to match the year of your car, or was it just a super cool coincidence?


I chose it to match the year, it was pretty late in the year and most numbers were already taken...was glad that one was still available.
Posted By: zmans84ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/10/12 02:24 AM

Good work!!!!! ENJOY!!!!!
Posted By: Monte_ExpreSS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/10/12 02:25 AM

Originally Posted By: SSLance
I set the odometer on the new speedometer to match the stock one I took out...


Cool, love attention to detail like that. How did you do that with a electric speedo though?

Originally Posted By: SSLance

I chose it to match the year, it was pretty late in the year and most numbers were already taken...was glad that one was still available.


thumbs
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/10/12 02:35 AM

Originally Posted By: Monte_ExpreSS
How did you do that with a electric speedo though?


The Dakota setup lets you program in an odometer setting within the first 100 miles the speedometer is funcitioning.

After that you can send it back to them and they'll program in a setting for you.
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/11/12 04:31 PM

Alright, aftermarket Hurst Shifters...bases and handles...

Apparently you can get a straight up base or one that is canted 11 degrees to the driver's side to mimic the stock shifters position when combined with a straight handle.

Which one did most of you get, the straight up one or the canted one and which handle did you put on it?

Canted one



Straight design

Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/05/13 03:29 AM

I ended up with a Core Shifter with the Hurst internals, I got the one that is slanted 11 degrees to the driver with the 7.5" straight hurst stick.

I've been able to drive it around quite a bit, think I have over 100 miles on it since the swap. So far, I'm liking it very much. The new shorter throw on the shifter really helps make a more secure shift and I'm getting braver with my speed shifts.

Been working on a timing\pinging issue so there has been a lot of tuning...then testing the past couple of weeks whenever the roads are dry. Pretty sure we've got it narrowed down and will burn the new prom soon. Hopefully get one more test drive in tomorrow morning before the snow flies again.

Still haven't finished my boot and console plate yet, so no pics of that. Will share once I get them done though.

Still very VERY happy I did this swap...
Posted By: Monte_ExpreSS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/05/13 03:40 AM

Cool Lance, glad you're enjoying. Also kinda jealous you can take the car out in December/January. The roads are so salt covered around here, it's rediculous.

Also, not sure if I've seen you mention it anywhere, but how's the general pedal feel?
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/05/13 03:57 AM

There's salt on the roads here too, but I won't take it out unless it's completely dry, and I don't go very far either.

Pedal feel is just fine, I can just about press the clutch with my toes with my heel resting on the floor. Was very surprised at how little the pedal actually has to move to disengage the clutch. My Dad thinks the pedal is hard to push, but he's old and frail... laugh Haven't had my wife try to push it in yet.

It's one thing to push it all the way in and hold it sitting still in the driveway, but once you are on the road and driving it, you realize that you don't really have to push it all that far in and if it was going to have to be in for any length of time like at a stop light,I just pop it in neutral and let the clutch out.

Reverse lockout module works great BTW...I suggest anyone that has a T56 in their car spend the money and put one in. You never have to think about it again...it just works.
Posted By: ZZ430T56

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 01/14/13 09:18 AM

I have the complete stock mechanical setup and surprisingly the pedal is very light.

...Bill

Originally Posted By: SickSpeedMonte
How do you guys with the JohnB pedal like the pedal effort? I've operated the clutches on a few different G-body swaps and have always been very disappointed at how difficult it is to push in the clutch. I wouldn't want to drive any of the ones I have felt daily, except for my latest design in my car.

Basically, I'm trying to decide if there is enough interest for me to go purchase a press, an oxy/acetelyne setup, and the raw materials to start fabricating clutch pedal setups that have the feel of an OEM vehicle. It would be a clutch pedal, master cylinder, and a bracket to mount the master properly, plus all the hardware.

My biggest reserve at this point is that I have never personally felt one of John B's setups before, so I don't know if there is really a reason to introduce something new.
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/17/13 12:07 PM

http://www.montecarloss.com/community/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=971876#Post971876

They are now available. I have managed to reduce pedal effort by roughly 50%.
Posted By: Phil87SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/07/13 06:05 AM

I used a T56 from mid 90's F-body with the 'pull-style' slave, I know the early Montes with manuals have longer pedals and have considered moding or buying something different.
I prefer the juice clutch over the early linkage style myself.
As for having a manual trans Monte, I would never go back to an automatic... manuals are just too fun to drive!
Posted By: Schatte614

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/09/13 06:00 PM

Mines not a standard yet, but I'm about to start the process in the next week or so. Just wondering if anyone had some helpful tips in doing it. I've got a 85 ss that I'm doing it to. Thanks.
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/09/13 08:44 PM

Plan ahead and concentrate on getting the tailshaft of the trans as high in the tunnel as you can get it to help reduce driveline vibrations. It really is a pretty easy sway if you study this whole thread.

Tell us about your car, stock drivetrain? modified? headers? stance lowered?

And welcome by the way...
Posted By: Cisko1

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/19/13 09:00 PM

My car backfires evry time i step hard on the throdle and it looses power every time it changes gears cuz of the backfire y? Does it back fire the timing is good ?
Posted By: Jameson

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 10/19/13 09:39 PM

Originally Posted By: Cisko1
My car backfires evry time i step hard on the throdle and it looses power every time it changes gears cuz of the backfire y? Does it back fire the timing is good ?


This post is for manual transmission conversions, If you are having a issue with your car make a separate thread in the engine section.
Posted By: rdm85ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/04/13 02:15 AM

Finally joing the manual Monte cult soon! Just bought an 02 T 56.


Comes with everthing in the pic(no engine of course! lol). Has 61k on trans. Should be done springtime. Not doing any work till have all parts and trans checked out.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/04/13 06:49 AM

Welcome Ron.
Does this mean it will be done for Carlisle?
Bob
Posted By: FrankOC

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/04/13 02:18 PM

Good news Ron, looking forward to seeing it installed.
Posted By: Joe87monteSS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/04/13 07:56 PM

Making progress!





Posted By: rdm85ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/05/13 01:58 AM

Originally Posted By: mmc427ss
Welcome Ron.
Does this mean it will be done for Carlisle?
Bob


I sure hope so Bob!
Thanks to yourself and Frank.
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/09/14 11:40 PM

Are you guys bolting the flywheel and clutch up to the motor before installing the actual trans like the picture above? Is that easier than sliding the clutch onto the input shaft then bolting it up to the flywheel once the trans is in?
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/09/14 11:43 PM

Also, any good way to cut the hole for the shifter before installing the trans? Any measurements? Or how did you get a good starting point to go ahead and cut? Any pics of the cuts and boot install?
Posted By: Jameson

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/10/14 01:00 AM

Originally Posted By: jdpolzin
Are you guys bolting the flywheel and clutch up to the motor before installing the actual trans like the picture above? Is that easier than sliding the clutch onto the input shaft then bolting it up to the flywheel once the trans is in?


You have to bolt the flywheel and pressure plate together on the engine to get the clutch disc properly aligned. There is no other way to do that.

Originally Posted By: jdpolzin
Also, any good way to cut the hole for the shifter before installing the trans? Any measurements? Or how did you get a good starting point to go ahead and cut? Any pics of the cuts and boot install?


I didn't want to pre-cut my floor so I installed my transmission to my engine and then jacked the transmission up against the floor and drilled 4 holes at the 4 corners of the shifter hole. Lowered the transmission and then with a airsaw cut the floor open.
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/10/14 02:18 AM

OK, I'm new to the 6 speed world so forgive me for dumb questions. Is lining up the clutch pretty straight forward? I also need to find out if my stock LT1 flywheel is going to work with my block. I'm not sure whether the block is a two piece or one piece rear main. The casting is 14016379. Can I find this info out based on the casting number?
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/10/14 02:22 AM

The block has an Eagle crank with a PB1050-N balancer which states it an external balance but the paperwork for my motor says "fully balanced assembly" so I'm not sure whether it's internally balanced and the balancer is neutral balanced or whether it's externally balanced. The builder sent the block with out the balancer so I'm thinking it's internally balanced. I sent an inquirey to builder but it was built back in 05 so I'm not real sure how lucky I'll be on getting correct info.
Posted By: Jameson

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/10/14 02:24 AM

The casting #, 14016379, is for a 77-79 350 so its a 2 piece rear main seal and the LT1 flywheel will not work. There is a company that sells a retrofit for the older blocks. Lining up a clutch is straight forward, most kits come with the alignment tool necessary to do it.
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/10/14 02:57 AM

Ok, can the stock flywheel be machined to work? Where is the best place to get the correct flywheel?
Posted By: Jameson

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/10/14 03:03 AM

Originally Posted By: jdpolzin
Ok, can the stock flywheel be machined to work? Where is the best place to get the correct flywheel?


Only 3 companies make a conversion flywheel and are all priced similar. McLeod, Centerforce and RAM. They are all priced similar but here is the Centerforce one. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/ctf-700107

No it cant be machined bc the bolt holes are off and the center hole is different. I mean yea you can machine it but I have no idea how much it would cost vs the new flywheel.
Posted By: Clutch_Grabwell

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/10/14 04:17 AM

Originally Posted By: Jameson
Originally Posted By: jdpolzin
Ok, can the stock flywheel be machined to work?


No it cant be machined bc the bolt holes are off and the center hole is different. I mean yea you can machine it but I have no idea how much it would cost vs the new flywheel.


Flywheels and flexplates for one-piece seal motors are counterweighted to compensate for the changes made at the end of the crank. This is also why the bolt circle was changed, to prevent bolting an older flywheel to a newer motor.
Short version: you'll have a serious balance problem if you redrill your flywheel and bolt it on.
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 02/12/14 01:06 AM

OK, I appreciate the help you guys have given me! One thing I'm trying to figure out, I have an externally balanced motor. I think I need to go with a 153 tooth flywheel to fit inside the stock LT1 bellhousing? Also, I see there are many different size flywheels out there. I have a duralast stock replacement LT1 clutch that I'm going to use. Is this an 11"? I see a lot of 10.5, 10.95 flywheels out there. Speedway motors sell a flywheel for a 2 piece rear main for $150 but says it accepts a 10.5" clutch. What size clutch is stock?
Posted By: Dand

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/07/14 03:06 AM

Well since you are straying from stock for you car, you ned to use the clutch that is sized to your flywheel. It has to do with the bolt pattern of the clutch.
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/08/14 02:47 AM

Bought the SPEC flywheel for my 383, which is externally balanced. They sent a spacer weight with it. I'm not sure if the flywheel is weighted for the 383 and this extra weight needs to be used. Even if it is, I'm going to get ahold of them and get the bolt in weight. I think the spacer will limit travel on the fork. From what I've read, most people receive the bolt in. Not sure why they didn't send that instead. I sent them an email. They have been very helpful so far.

I bolted the trans in to mock it up and cut the hole for the shifter and clearance whatever the electrical connector on the top is. Are you guys leaving the factory bumper on the top of the trans?
Posted By: Dand

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/09/14 11:53 PM

the electrical connector if originally it was an auto, is for back up lites
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/10/14 12:19 AM

I took the bumper off the top of my T56, needed the room to get the tail shaft as high as I could for the proper U joint angles.
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/10/14 02:05 AM

Looking at mine, I think I'm going to remove the bumper too. I don't think its hitting as it looks to be my reverse lock out switch. I hammered the floor board to clearence that. Hope its clear cause the next install will be the final, I hope!
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/10/14 02:33 AM

Had mine in 5 or 6 times before the final time...just be sure to get it as high as you can. What are you using for a crossmember?
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/10/14 05:01 AM

Jeremy, I feel I dropped the ball on you when you were looking for a flywheel clutch combo, sorry about that. Being not familiar with the LT1 set up I did some research but my life got in the way. Again sorry.

As Lance said get the trans as high as possible in the rear. The higher the better, your driveline angles will be the better for it. That bumper is not necessary. Also to make install easier the ear on the left side of the trans can be cut off, it's a factory assemble attaching point. When installing the trans the ear hits the firewall/floorpan seam.

The condition of the body bushings will play a role in trans height, worn, crushed bushing reduce the clearance available in the tunnel. In turn requiring more massaging of the tunnel to get the trans high enough.

Lance only had his trans up a half dozen times for fitting, I probably 10 times before I was happy with the tunnel massaging.

Use an Energy Susp poly rear trans mount, our cars like poly there. Be sure to factor in the installed height of that mount when fitting the tunnel.

When you get the trans up in the tunnel the two top tailhousing bolts should be touching the tunnel, you will need to dimple for them also. When the engine torques over the left tailhousing top bolt moves closer to the tunnel, clearance for that.

Check clearance between tunnel and trans vent line, usually not a problem.

Also make sure trans tailhousing is located left to right properly, it's not centered between the frame rails, offsets to right side.
Bob
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/10/14 10:56 PM

Hey Bob, no big deal sir! I now how life happens, I have a 6 year old and a 6 month old and am gone for work 12 hours a day M-F. Life happens! I do appreciate all the help you have given me!

I wish I could identify the ear that your talking about that can be cut off. Ill have to dig for some pics of that. I think I do remember there being something that wanted to catch the firewall.

Do you know if the 200r4 trans mount is the same as the t56? I'll have to look into that too. I have a few Energy trans mounts for the 200. If I remember right, they seemed to be about the same?

I'm sure I'll be pulling this baby out again. I did clearance the reverse lock out but haven't fitted it back in since to be sure everything clears. I suppose I should.


I'm using the ICEMAN crossmember BTW...
Posted By: SSLance

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/11/14 02:23 AM

I used the 200R4 trans mount on my T56...but I modified my crossmember to raise the tailshaft as high as I could get it.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/11/14 05:12 AM

I'll send you a pic of the ear on the trans I referred to.

A decade ago when most G's had an auto trans, stock driveshaft/drivetrain, a common problem was driveline vibration, usually at lower highway speeds. One of the common fixes was a poly trans mount, this worked for many of us, me included.

So I've always been in favor of a poly mount at the tailhousing, especially as hp output goes up. Today most all aftermarket rubber mounts are made in India, Anchor in particular, and I find they are very soft, and very inexpensive.

As far as the rear mount choice goes, whether rubber or poly, my experience is that the installed height of the poly is significantly taller, and will influence the installed height of the trans, as in tunnel clearance. So choose a mount and stay with it through tunnel clearancing. The trick is still the same, get the T56 as near to the original auto output shaft height as possible, with no tunnel interferrance.

Energy Susp 3-1186G is the "standard" replacement poly mount for our cars. That mount is a two piece, as all Energy mounts are, about a .187" thick plate is used between the mount and trans. After the initial install of my trans I replaced that .187" plate with a .100" plate, adding clearance in the tunnel. Just another means of getting where you need to be.

Oh, T56 and the autos use the same trans mount.
Bob
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/12/14 04:13 AM

Jeremy, FYI, leaving early Weds AM for 7 rounds of golf in 5 days in Myrtle Beach. Please don't pity me. Won't be online, don't think I ignored you again.
Bob
Sent you a pic
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/14/14 01:57 AM

OK, thanks for that info. My wife is in Germany for a few weeks for work so I'm here on dad duty with the kids. I'm hoping grandparents may take over tomorrow night so I can get out to the garage and play. Bob, I did get those pics. I'm going to compare them to my trans and see if that's still on it. Thanks for the help guys! ----Jeremy
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/14/14 11:31 PM

You guys ever deal with these spacer weights they send with these adapter flywheels? There is a provision on the flywheel for a bolt on weight but they sent a weight that is a spacer between the crank and the flywheel. Not sure if that's going to limit travel on the clutch or not? The guy from SPEC says it doesn't and they sell a whole bunch of them that way. I would think a bolt on weight would be a much better idea. wouldn't you?
Posted By: rdm85ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/17/14 01:58 AM

Finally started my swap. Got the pos 4l60e out.



Installed the McCleod rxt twin disc clutch.



Got the T 56 ready to go in.



Finally got the trans installed after in/out 4 times. Had to keep modding the floor because of the shifter and the reverse lockout kept hitting the floorboard.



Crossmember/trans mount done. Installed shifter,factory Hurst for now.







Next weekend is installing the pedal and hydraulics.
Posted By: SickSpeedMonte

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/20/14 06:20 PM

11-second car with a manual! Now there's a good time.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/24/14 03:27 AM

Ron I'm curious why you went with the RXT and not the RST McLeod.

Initially when I did the T56 swap 12 years ago behind the 305 I installed a Centerforce Dual Friction 10 3/4" clutch on a 153 flywheel. When the 427 SBC went in the same clutch was used on a custom 153 McLeod 20 lb wheel. Great feel, very light pedal that even my wife could drive, no slippage at the track on street tires. Years later I lost a few teeth on the flywheel ring gear so the clutch needed to come out. Time to upgrade the clutch as drag radials were going on, need to 60' the car. Not having 800 bucks to throw at an RST at that time I installed a 10 3/4" Science Friction pressure plate with their 700 lb/ft Ceramix disc. From day one have never been happy with how aggressive the disc is, most times almost like an ON/OFF switch. Around town driving can be chore just trying to get smooth engagement, backing upgrade without chatter a major PITA.

Next clutch I'll try is the RST, hopefully this year. For me the RXT discs could make the car behave similar to what I have now
with the Ceramix disc, which I'm not happy with.
Bob
Posted By: rdm85ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/25/14 01:57 AM

I have a friend that has a shop for ls cars. I originally thought he ordered an RST clutch but he ordered the RXT. He said the RST clutch's are crappy. I guess I'm going to find out how it is soon. Lol!!
Posted By: rdm85ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/26/14 11:49 PM

Got the modified trans mount in and the shortened driveshaft in last weekend.



Pedal setup ready to go in. Little modding needed since they are original G Body pedals.



Got the clutch master installed. Again had to modify the clutch master to fit correctly.

Posted By: rdm85ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/26/14 11:57 PM

Got the new/used dual diagraphm power booster installed also. Ran into a little snag. I got a used almost new slave cylinder and didn't realize GM made 2 different types and I have both! Lol. They don't fit together very well. I have a new line coming by this weekend.



New MGW shifter showed up today. Very nice piece!





Getting the pcm flashed for the manual trans this weekend.
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/11/14 12:27 AM

Finally have a little more time to work on the T56. I have a SPEC conversion flywheel for my 2 piece rear main 383 with a forged crank. This SPEC part number is SC66S-400 and comes with a spacer style weight. I wanted the bolt in style but cant seem to get answers from SPEC. So I just decided to go ahead and use the spacer style. Now one question, I need a pilot bearing or bushing. From reading, it seems like most prefer the bushing over the bearing because bearing failures tend to ruin the input shaft on the trans. With that said, what bushing should I buy? With the spacer, will I need a longer bushing? I read that the Mcleod # 8617 is slightly longer but I have no idea what I should use. Any ideas?
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/18/14 04:21 AM

Sorry, just saw this post.

Can't say which length of bushing to use for your install, but here's how you check that measurement.
Using a straightedge across the front of the bellhousing measure how far the machine surface on the input shaft projects past the bellhousing.
Using a straightedge across the block measure the crank pilot bearing hole. Typically the pilot bushings is flush with the end of the bushing hole in the crank.
You'd like to see most of the input shaft surface into the bushing, but not all of it.
Another method is install a bushing flush in the crank, grease the input shaft, install trans, remove trans, inspect input shaft grease for depth of install. Accurate method but a lot more work.

When I did my T56 install 12 years ago a GM roller bearing pilot was used. When I installed the new engine 6 years ago a new GM roller was used again. No problems with either of the bearings going bad. When I pulled the trans to replace the ring gear on my McLeod flywheel the wear pattern on the input shaft told me I needed a longer pilot bushing. Installed this bushing,

http://www.speedwaymotors.com/Chevy-Extra-Long-Pilot-Bushing,6974.html

I'm running an aftermarket T56, Lakewood scattershield with block saver plate, Dart block, so I have a few variables that effect the depth of the input shaft. The longer bronze bushing has been in for about 3 years now, no indiction of failure. Hoping to install a McLeod twin in the car this coming Winter, bushing inspection/input shaft contact will tell the story

Bellhousing indexing effects the location of the input shaft, and will put side loads on the shaft if not centered in the crank, bushing failure can occur.
Indexing an old school bell like the Lakewood or the old stick bells can be done. Indexing an LS1 or LT1 trans I haven't done, probably no one does it, just stick the trans in hoping that the alignment dowels in the block are correct and the alignment holes in the trans are correct.

Hope this helps.
Bob
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/25/14 01:01 AM

Ok, thanks for that info! I went with the standard length bronze bushing. The part number is PB656HD. I just picked it up today. I will measure and make sure I have proper engagement prior to the install. Hoping to have some time here this weekend.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/25/14 01:34 AM

When you do a T56 install the trans is in and out several times for tunnel and crossmember mods. You don't install the flywheel or clutch when you are doing the test fitting. So grease the input shaft nose, install the trans, remove it, inspect the input/pilot bushing depth.
Bob
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 05/26/14 09:16 PM

Yeah I didn't have the clutch in until the final installing so I could get everything ready to go. It's actually all in now. I will need to finish up my rear end because I bought an 8.5 and had 4.11 gears installed. I'm looking for 98+ rear Fbody brakes for it. Once I get that tackled, I'm going to be measuring for the driveshaft and wiring up the reverse lock out and figuring out the speedo. It's been a little more difficult than I anticipated but not too bad. I do still need to bleed the master too.
Posted By: Phil87SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/28/14 04:53 AM

On the pilot bearing, it only turns when you shift or at a stop with the clutch in, I have always preferred a 'real' sealed ball bearing, I had a sleeve-style bushing in a 1965 GTO that wore terribly, went to a ball bearing and never went back to the cheap oil impregnated metal bushing.
Let me explain, as a toolmaker I have worked around this material (OIL IMPREGNATED SINTERED BRONZE) and if it get hot the oil is forced out of the pores, then it's only a matter of time till it's metal on metal wear! Trust me on this, you may get lucky but going with a sealed ball bearing is the only proper way to go.
Posted By: GuysMonteSS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 06/28/14 11:08 AM

Phil,do you mean one of these;
http://www.summitracing.com/int/parts/nal-14061685/overview/
Guy
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/10/14 09:37 PM

I'm a little confused on the starters. I had a 168 tooth flywheel with my 200r4. Now I have the smaller 153 Conversion SPEC flywheel. The starter is a diaganol bolt which generally means that it's for a 168 tooth flywheel. The one I have looks to be an LT1 style starter though. It's not the big huge old school starters. If this fits the T56 bellhousing, do I use it?
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/10/14 10:23 PM

Well, the old starter will not work. What starter do I buy so it'll fit the t56 and a diaganol bolt pattern?
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/19/14 09:58 PM

Is anyone using a SPEC flywheel for a two piece rear externally balanced 383-400 motor? The part number I have is sc66s-400 which comes with a spacer counterbalancer that goes between the flywheel and the crank. Well, my clutch fork is hitting the pressure plate before it even engages the clutch. I cant figure it out. Called SPEC, the guy said they've sold thousands and never had that problem. Any ideas?
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/10/14 09:15 PM

How do I post a pic? I got the car running and driving today!
Posted By: ls1_monte

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/10/14 10:44 PM

congrats!! At least the weekend looks nice so you can get her out for a cruise driving

Usually you'll host the pic on a site like photobucket, then when you make your post (on the full reply screen) next to the smilies icon there is one that says: "create link to a webpage" you'll click that and the first box is the link to your pic, and the second box is only the title or how it shows on your post.
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/22/14 01:25 AM

Thanks! I took it around the block a few times and finally last night was able to drive it on the road and get up to speed. Seems to run pretty well. I still have work to do though. I need to get the reverse lights, reverse lock out,and cut the brake pedal down. But for now, it's a big accomplishment! I do notice a slight rattle. Not sure what it is, could be something simple but it sounds like it may be internal in the trans, although from the short amount of driving I did it seems to shift and run fine. I also need to clearance my hole in the floor a little more because as the drivetrain moves around, the shifter base wants to rub against the floor board a little. It was totally clear of it the first time I had everything installed but the second time, it's a little more towards the passenger side. BUT, all and all I'm happy so far! I did rip a 1-2-3 burnout! The 4.10's want to move the tires!
Posted By: ls1_monte

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/22/14 03:24 AM

Originally Posted By: jdpolzin
Thanks! I took it around the block a few times and finally last night was able to drive it on the road and get up to speed. Seems to run pretty well. I still have work to do though. I need to get the reverse lights, reverse lock out,and cut the brake pedal down. But for now, it's a big accomplishment! I do notice a slight rattle. Not sure what it is, could be something simple but it sounds like it may be internal in the trans, although from the short amount of driving I did it seems to shift and run fine. I also need to clearance my hole in the floor a little more because as the drivetrain moves around, the shifter base wants to rub against the floor board a little. It was totally clear of it the first time I had everything installed but the second time, it's a little more towards the passenger side. BUT, all and all I'm happy so far! I did rip a 1-2-3 burnout! The 4.10's want to move the tires!


You'll get the bugs out, sounds like fun so far though! Have you used schnieder's west for a trans before?? I think I'll have them go through mine so its good to go when I get around to throwin the body on.
Posted By: jdpolzin

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/22/14 05:11 PM

No I have a guy in Moline that I like to use for rear ends and manual trans gear boxes. He works at the best shop here in the Quad Cities and does things on the side. If I have a 200r4 built, it goes to Lonnie Diers (Exreme Automatics).
Posted By: Monte88

Re: STICKY: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 12/30/14 02:13 PM

After 13 years I will be resigning my membership in the Manual Monte Cult. The car has become too fast for the stick, as I plan on being in the 140-150mph range at the track this year. The Tremec is coming out and a 4L80 is going in. I have loved every second of having a stick in my car since 2001, but now I want to go fast! There WILL be another manual Monte in my future, I don't think I could not own one for too long. My whole setup from the pedal to the crossmember is listed for sale in the classified section if you guys know anyone looking to do the swap.
Posted By: mainer

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/15/15 01:15 PM

It's done T-5 totally rebuilt and installed using gen3 peddles gen4 hydro master/line/slave, with custom made adjustable rod ,4" aluminum drive shaft , Hurst shifter ,custom stainless steal top plate for the center console that dose not use a shifter boot but a plate system like a lamborghini shifter but with a leather backer so you can;t look throw the windows .
Posted By: mainer

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 07/16/15 11:07 PM

took the Monte for a nice ride today , boy the stick really changes the way I drive the thing , now its either all out stupid sideways or supper MaMay Grampa with the tractor. That .63 OD and 3.42 gears make for a fast little ride if you can run it .
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/18/15 02:44 PM

Anyone got a line on internal replacement parts for a a T56? Due to a comedy of errors (yeah that sounds good) I managed to bend the 5-6 shift rail, chip the reverse gear and break some pin on the inside while reinstalling the tail housing. Still tearing the trans apart to find that piece. I haven't had any luck searching parts and I'm trying to avoid the dealership.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/18/15 07:49 PM

I bought my T56 from Liberty and have bought parts from them.
http://www.libertysgears.com/

Also Rockland Standard gear is a good source.
http://www.rsgear.com/

Some have bought parts from TICK.
http://www.tickperformance.com/1993-2002-camaro-trans-am-1/

Many other sources without going to the dealership.

While you had the trans apart did you; install the steel 3-4 fork, upgrade to solid keys in the 1-2 and 3-4 synchros, install the brass shift fork pads, install the bronze isolator cup,inspect the 3/4 synchronizer for wear and possible replacemant, just a short list of parts to think about.
Bob
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/22/15 02:53 AM

Thanks, looking over this thing it's kinda worn. The teeth for the synchro on 3rd n 4th gears are pretty worn, the idler shaft 3rd gear ring has a chip in the middle of one tooth, but no indications of damage to 3rd gear on the output shaft. Some of the shifter pads were falling apart so I am going to replace them with the bronze ones. With the damage and wear I'm looking at about a grand in parts!!! Yowza! I found Hawks third gen parts. I tried to call tick performance but the guy wasn't too knowledgable said call back later or check the website. I didn't find internal parts there.

How do you determine first gear ratio? I counted 17 teeth on the idler gear, 39 on the output gear which comes to about 2.29, not the 2.66, 2.9x or 3.xx.
Posted By: mmc427ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/22/15 03:02 PM

My T56 is a 2.97 1st gear.
Here's the 1st gear calculations.
Input gear is 38 tooth which turns a 29 tooth on the counter shaft. On the other end of the counter shaft a 19 tooth gear which turns a 43 tooth gear on the output shaft.
So ratio is;
38 divided by 29 X 43 divided by 19 = 2.9655 which is 2.97 1st gear.

Liberty Trans treated me very well for parts, ask for Paul.

With only about 4K miles on my brand new T56 a decade ago I broke the 3/4 keys in the 3/4 synchro, this was years before solid keys were available from all the venders today. Called Tremec factory tech and was told only the stamped steel keys were available. Luckily found a guy who had a direct connection into the parts shelves of the old Borg Warner plant in Indiana, (Tremec, Mexico, had already bought out Borg Warner and moved production to Mexico), and was adapting solid keys from other trans into his T56 rebuilds. He sent me a set for 1/2 and 3/4 along with the necessary springs. Also installed the 3/4 steel fork, new 3/4 synchro assemble, and new a 1/2 fork with a steel insert on the 2nd gear side of the fork, another trick the builder was doing. My T56 has been very good since, only recently have I given thought to taking it apart again and freshening the 3/4 synchros, 3rd gear seems to be the gear that takes the most abuse.

If you don't have a hard copy of the T56 service manual here it is on PDF.
http://www.ttcautomotive.com/anexos/TRSM_T56_0711.pdf
Bob
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/22/15 03:26 PM

thanks had the manual otherwise I wouldn't have dove into this. Had to recount gear teeth, I've got a 2.66 so that helps parts searching.
Posted By: JERMzSS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 08/26/15 01:55 AM

I'm about to jump into a LS/t-56 swap and I'm so glad to see so many have done this already. I have to admit I am alittle worried about being in over my head but I really want a manual transmission in my car.

Is there any tips or tricks that you guys ran into that you didn't expect that you care to share?
Posted By: mymonte-ss

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 09/06/15 02:45 AM

Finding the internals needed to be replaced. After some digging there are several suppliers out there, I'm prob around 3k into this trans, it was 1200-1500 for the trans several years ago, then about 425 (including shipping) to get the tail housing modified. Then about another grand in rebuild parts. Not including modding th cross member(easy) installing the pedal assay, not hard but took some time, still have to put it all back together and see how she works. Hard to do when your job has you on the road at random times.
Posted By: Hurst Monte SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/23/16 11:18 AM

1986 NWC T5
Chevy SBC Gen I w/Holley 670 Street Avenger
'78-'81 Elcamino pedal assembly and z bar assembled w/Speed Direct spherical Rod ends. 1983 Camaro Bellhousing, lightweight flywheel and RAM clutch
Hurst shifter and modified Lokar boot
2" drop spindles with Bilstein B6 all the way around
Nitto 450 255/50/17 front 275/50/17 rear on Hurst Dazzler 17x8 wheels
Posted By: clean8485

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/23/16 02:58 PM

HurstMonteSS, do you have any photos of your swap? Are you using headers on your SBC, and if so, what brand of headers are you using with the mechanical clutch linkage? How do you like the Speed Direct clutch parts? Thanks in advance.
Posted By: Phil87SS

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/27/17 07:53 PM

1993 F-body T-56 with hydraulic activation, Hurst short-throw shifter, 50% ratio in 6th.
Posted By: TURNA

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 11/28/17 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by clean8485
HurstMonteSS, do you have any photos of your swap? Are you using headers on your SBC, and if so, what brand of headers are you using with the mechanical clutch linkage? How do you like the Speed Direct clutch parts? Thanks in advance.


When I had a T5 in my old Malibu with mechanical linkage I used the Mr Gasket headers that have now been replaced by Headman Headers 68310
Posted By: walshie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/20/18 01:24 PM

I am in the process of doing the conversion...Auto transmission is OUT. Next steps:
- Add pilot bearing
- Change the flywheel
- Install pressure plate and clutch
- Raise transmission in place and mark holes to cut the tunnel
- etc, etc, etc

Questions:
1) What size bolts do you think I will need to bolt the Tremec T5 NWC to the manual transmission housing (e.g. bell housing)?
- I couldn't find a kit.
- I did order kits for the clutch to flywheel and flywheel to engine
2) What fluid? After alot of research,
- I believe NWC wants 50wt gear lube
3) What is the best way to measure the drive shaft?
- I'm thinking slip ALL THE WAY into the transmission, measure how much has to be cut
- Back out as much as I can, measure again
- Split the difference?
Posted By: walshie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 03/28/18 06:17 PM

FYI = the bolts needed to bolt the transmission to the bell housing were....12MM. I bought 1.75" long but 1.5" is probably better.
Posted By: walshie

Re: The Official Manual Monte Cult Register - 04/09/18 05:43 PM

Transmission, driveshaft, cross member, shifter are in!
I'm ready to tackle the pedals and hydraulics.

I had to cut my driver's side header, it's where the slave cylinder wants to be.
Once together I will bring it to a pro in order for the exhaust to be re-worked as needed.

I can't wait to drive this puppy!
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